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1. 03:49 AM - Re: Who sells instruments? (Marcus Bates)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Who sells instruments? (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 07:08 AM - M14 starting (JOE HOWSE)
4. 07:36 AM - Hoses (Jerry Painter)
5. 08:54 AM - David Stroud (JOE HOWSE)
6. 10:19 AM - A/C jacks (GJHagstrom@aol.com)
7. 10:59 AM - Re: A/C jacks (doug sapp)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Hoses (Mike Bell)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Barry Hancock (Jim Bernier)
10. 02:04 PM - Re: Hoses (david stroud)
11. 03:02 PM - Huosai fuel pressure requirements (david stroud)
12. 03:30 PM - Re: Barry Hancock (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Who sells instruments? |
David Stroud......contact me off list (mlbjr@earthlink.net) to discuss
American instrumentation for the Housai Engine. And yes, you can hand
prop the engine w/o the shower of sparks operating. Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: Who sells instruments? |
Although it can be started on one mag, it should be started on both
mags. I have started the M14P with standard M9F magnetos and a bad
booster coil wire. Here is how I did it. Prepare the engine to start
as you always do including pulling the prime through about 3-4 blades.
Then start the rotation with the air start as you would normally do.
When the rotation reaches its max speed, flip the mags on to 1 + 2.
Dennis
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From: Tim & Jessie Windsor
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Guys
Do you mean to say that you should only start the M14 with one mag?
..not sure if anyone does that hear in OZ
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsors Edge Vineyard
Windsors Edge Cottages
Top Red War Birds
1039 McDonalds Rd POKOLBIN NSW 2320
T/F: 02 4998 7737
E: windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Griffin
Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 12:58 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Who sells instruments?
Hi David
You DO need a boost coil with a Huosai because there is no impulse
coupler on either M14 or Huosai mags. You start the Huosai with both
mags on. It will not start in reverse like the M14 because of the
advance in the mags. If you have chinese mags start with both mags on.
It won't start without the boost coil.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: david stroud
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Giday Doug. Thanks for the note. Walt Lannon said in his note that
the
Huosai does not need a boost coil like the M14P so why would three
hands be a good thing? Not trying to be smart here...just trying to
understand.
Steve Culp sold me a boost coil knowing full well I was installing a
Huosai
engine so I automatically thought about the positioning of the
switches.
Unfortunately, I've never seen the inside of a CJ or Yak cockpit.
Are your instruments of Chinese or US origin? I'm trying to keep
this project
looking as original as possible as a 1930 replica. Chinese markings
on the panel may detract from this but of course we have to consider
compatibility
of the connections etc. If you have engine instruments which might
be useful
for the project, please say condition and price etc. I'm ready to
deal.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Dave,
I have all the engine and pneumatic instruments you might need,
also valves, etc, etc. If it's in a CJ I have it.
Actually having 3 hands would be handy some times. I'd configure
it somewhat like the CJ or 52.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of david stroud
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:25 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Who =ashBack] sells instruments?
I'm setting up the panel now on my F51 project so the subject of
instruments
came up. My Housai engine will need at least a tach, oil temp /
pressure gauges.
Anything else recommended and who sells these gauges please?
Anything sitting
on a shelf gathering dust in good serviceable condition? I'm in
the market for decent
flight instruments too. I see what looks to be a tach generator
sticking out from the
air start distributor.
I've a starting procedure question too. After you've pulled the
prop through, primed etc.
you hit the starter and that engages the air solenoid and shower
of sparks ( incorrect
name I think) simultaneously. As the engine begins to start, the
mags get switched
on and briefly the air, shower of sparks and mags all are
engaged together. Do you
normally need to have your left hand free to play with the
throttle through all of this ?
ie, would it be very important for me to configure the starter
button/switch and mag
switch to be activated with only one hand during the process?
Thanks.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
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Tim and Jessie
Turn mags to both after the engine starts firing on the boost coil.
Joe
From: Tim & Jessie Windsor
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Guys
Do you mean to say that you should only start the M14 with one mag?
..not sure if anyone does that hear in OZ
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsors Edge Vineyard
Windsors Edge Cottages
Top Red War Birds
1039 McDonalds Rd POKOLBIN NSW 2320
T/F: 02 4998 7737
E: windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Griffin
Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 12:58 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Hi David
You DO need a boost coil with a Huosai because there is no impulse
coupler on either M14 or Huosai mags. You start the Huosai with both
mags on. It will not start in reverse like the M14 because of the
advance in the mags. If you have chinese mags start with both mags on.
It won't start without the boost coil.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: david stroud
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Giday Doug. Thanks for the note. Walt Lannon said in his note that
the
Huosai does not need a boost coil like the M14P so why would three
hands be a good thing? Not trying to be smart here...just trying to
understand.
Steve Culp sold me a boost coil knowing full well I was installing a
Huosai
engine so I automatically thought about the positioning of the
switches.
Unfortunately, I've never seen the inside of a CJ or Yak cockpit.
Are your instruments of Chinese or US origin? I'm trying to keep
this project
looking as original as possible as a 1930 replica. Chinese markings
on the panel may detract from this but of course we have to consider
compatibility
of the connections etc. If you have engine instruments which might
be useful
for the project, please say condition and price etc. I'm ready to
deal.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
Dave,
I have all the engine and pneumatic instruments you might need,
also valves, etc, etc. If it's in a CJ I have it.
Actually having 3 hands would be handy some times. I'd configure
it somewhat like the CJ or 52.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of david stroud
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:25 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Who sells instruments?
I'm setting up the panel now on my F51 project so the subject of
instruments
came up. My Housai engine will need at least a tach, oil temp /
pressure gauges.
Anything else recommended and who sells these gauges please?
Anything sitting
on a shelf gathering dust in good serviceable condition? I'm in
the market for decent
flight instruments too. I see what looks to be a tach generator
sticking out from the
air start distributor.
I've a starting procedure question too. After you've pulled the
prop through, primed etc.
you hit the starter and that engages the air solenoid and shower
of sparks ( incorrect
name I think) simultaneously. As the engine begins to start, the
mags get switched
on and briefly the air, shower of sparks and mags all are
engaged together. Do you
normally need to have your left hand free to play with the
throttle through all of this ?
ie, would it be very important for me to configure the starter
button/switch and mag
switch to be activated with only one hand during the process?
Thanks.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
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No need to send off for expensive custom made commie hoses. Most hoses o
n
CJ's and -52's can be replaced with US, but because they are different si
zes
(US v. Metric), you have to change the fittings to US, using the B-nuts o
ff
the commie fittings. Also, George Coy has hybrid US/metric fitting
adapters--see his website gesoco.Com. Beware that some US hoses are stif
fer
than their commie counterparts, so may not make small radius bends. Noth
ing
wrong with commie hoses except availability, price and possible aging
concerns. US hoses are readily available, cheap and fresh.
BTW: My friend Jack Ady has a beautiful Fairchild 51 he's flown for many
years, but it's got P&W R-1340 power--600hp. It's for sale--contact me f
or
info. P&W's are amazingly cheap (maybe cheaper than HS-6/M14's), even fro
m
name brand OH shops.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
wild.blue@verizon.net
flywba.Com
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David
Contact me if you want a good deal on a prop
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Anybody selling jacks for the CJ ? .........Thanks Gary
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Gary,
Yep, have full sets of factory new CJ jacks.
A full set is made up of:
1 each "headed" jack which supports the engine
1 each tail jack which has a special bracket to hold the tail skid
2 each stub wing jacks which have the special "off set" to clear the gear
doors
All jacks have wheels on them for ease of moving them about in the shop.
They also have a flat pad on each leg to allow use in the dirt or gravel
without sinking in. All four jacks have a mechanical ratchet system for
raising or lowering and are very easy to operate and require no safety's if
you leave your aircraft up on jacks for an extended period of time.
Price if is $285 each, but if you buy the set of 4 the price is $250 each.
Have photos if you need them. Contact me off line if you have an interest.
Phone 509-826-4610, email rvfltd@televar.com
I also build hyd CJ jacks if you would rather have that style. Price is
$285 each.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of GJHagstrom@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:19 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: A/C jacks
Anybody selling jacks for the CJ ? .........Thanks Gary
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
FWIW, I think Jack has a Fairchild 71, not a 51.
--------
Mike Bell
Yak 52
Elk Grove, CA
yakflyr@comcastdotnet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=69161#69161
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| Subject: | Re: Barry Hancock |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Dave
The CJ uses a 24 volt system. Instead of reinventing the wheel I left it intact.
I only removed those systems that I didn't need or wanted to upgrade. ADF out,
radio replaced, AH kept. And so on. I decided to use two gel cell batteries.
Doug Sapp suggested to use the Odyssey Batteries. Great choice. I hooked them
up in series for the 24 volts. And drew off one for the 12 volts. This created
an uneven draw between the two batteries. Brian Lloyd suggested using a battery
balancer to solve the uneven draw. It works. I also placed a battery charger
in the plane that charges 24 volts. And the balancer is working all of the
time. Robbing Peter to pay Paul so to say. The batteries stay at the same level.
I could have use the balancer to reduce the 24 VDC to 12 VDC, but if it went
out I would lose my radio and GPS and strobe.
Selecting between 24 and 12 VDC is almost a personal choice. Select the radio,
nav system, lighting etc., and see what you want. I understand that you are using
the HS6. It starts on 24 VDC. You may want to use the coil and air start valve,
that comes with the engine, instead of trying to change it to 12 VDC. Although
the change isn't difficult. If you are concerned about weight, then go
with a single volt system. If weight isn't a problem, then as a guy "the world
is your toilet". Do what makes you smile. The best way is subjective.
Keep us informed of your progress.
Jim
>>> dstroud@storm.ca 10/19/2006 5:48 PM >>>
Jim...any way you could elaborate on the benefits of 24 and 12 volt buss and how
it
was achieved? If you were doing a straight homebuilt, would you go 12 or 24v ?
Thanks..
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
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From: Jim Bernier
To: Yak-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Barry Hancock
Your email address didn't work.
In response to your request for a Dallas plane.
I'm just outside the area in Granbury, about 30 miles southwest of Ft. Worth.
I'd be glad to help. But I'm sure that there will be many others.
Let me know if I can assist.
I've attached a photo of my plane. I've altered many areas. Taylor wire, spark
plugs, alternator, aux. fuel plug, pre-oiler, K&N air filters, on board charging
system, 24 and 12 volt buss, and dropped the weight by 254 lbs.
Jim B
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Thanks for the note, Jerry. Jack's plane is a Fairchild 71...the bigger
brother to the 51 that I am
building. I'm interested in his 71 though. Please have him email me
dstroud@storm.ca
If he cannot do email, would you please let me know via direct email and
I'll provide contact info.
Thanks
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Painter
To: Yak List (yak-list@matronics.com)
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Hoses
No need to send off for expensive custom made commie hoses.
Most hoses on CJ's and -52's can be replaced with US, but because they
are different sizes (US v. Metric), you have to change the fittings to
US, using the B-nuts off the commie fittings. Also, George Coy has
hybrid US/metric fitting adapters--see his website gesoco.Com. Beware
that some US hoses are stiffer than their commie counterparts, so may
not make small radius bends. Nothing wrong with commie hoses except
availability, price and possible aging concerns. US hoses are readily
available, cheap and fresh.
BTW: My friend Jack Ady has a beautiful Fairchild 51 he's flown
for many years, but it's got P&W R-1340 power--600hp. It's for
sale--contact me for info. P&W's are amazingly cheap (maybe cheaper than
HS-6/M14's), even from name brand OH shops.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
wild.blue@verizon.net
flywba.Com
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| Subject: | Huosai fuel pressure requirements |
Could someone please advise the fuel pressure that the carb on the
Huosai
engine likes to see? Any regulators getting involved? Thanks for all the
advice
so far.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
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| Subject: | Re: Barry Hancock |
On this same thread, I am not familiar to a battery equalizer. Could you
please lead me to a source. I have a Yak 52 and also multiple military vehicles.
I would like to use a 12 volt winch on a 24 volt truck. Can the equalizer
handle that much amp draw on one battery?
Pete
N852GC
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