---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/09/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: CJ 6A crash (Scooter) 2. 07:30 AM - Re: CJ 6A crash (ANDREWS) 3. 07:31 AM - Re: CJ 6A crash (ANDREWS) 4. 12:43 PM - aircraft serial number (Jan Mevis) 5. 12:59 PM - vertical speed (Dan Pyles) 6. 03:51 PM - Re: vertical speed (Terry Lewis) 7. 04:13 PM - Re: vertical speed (KingCJ6@aol.com) 8. 06:19 PM - Re: aircraft serial number (Tim Gagnon) 9. 06:37 PM - Re: aircraft serial number (Sarah Tobin) 10. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: aircraft serial number (cjpilot710@aol.com) 11. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: aircraft serial number (A. Dennis Savarese) 12. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: aircraft serial number (Roger Kemp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:17 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 6A crash From: "Scooter" fyi: here's the ntsb listing: NTSB Identification: LAX07LA045 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Thursday, November 23, 2006 in Apache Junction, AZ Aircraft: Nanchang CJ-6A, registration: N8181C Injuries: 1 Uninjured. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On November 23, 2006, about 1215 mountain standard time, a Nanchang CJ-6A, N8181C, experienced a loss of engine power and collided with a berm during a forced landing on a private airstrip in Apache Junction, Arizona. The pilot/owner was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The private pilot, the sole occupant, was not injured; the airplane sustained substantial damage. The personal local area flight departed from Falcon Field, Mesa, Arizona, about 1130. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and a flight plan had not been filed. During a telephone conversation with a National Transportation Safety Board investigator, the pilot stated that while maneuvering in the vicinity of Falcon Field, he experienced problems with the air generator. Several minutes later he experienced a total loss of engine power. He opted to perform a forced landing at an abandoned airstrip located 16 miles southeast of the departure airport. While on the landing roll, the airplane encountered a berm and the right main gear collapsed. The left main landing gear and nose gear subsequently collapsed, resulting in damage to the wings. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p322#80322 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:30 AM PST US From: "ANDREWS" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ 6A crash Jim, Contact Bill Don ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ 6A crash In a message dated 12/8/2006 10:29:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, talew@bellsouth.net writes: First I've heard of it. Anyone out there know the details? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby I noticed that a CJ had an engine failure in AZ on Nov. 23 that resulted in a forced landing and fortunately the pilot was uninjured. Good job! Does anyone know what part of that engine failed ? Thanks, Terry Lewis ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:20 AM PST US From: "ANDREWS" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ 6A crash Gary, Contact Bill Blackwell. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: ggg6@att.net To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ 6A crash Does anyone know who the CJ belonged to, or who was flying it... Gary Gabbard CJ N22YK -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: -------------- In a message dated 12/8/2006 10:29:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, talew@bellsouth.net writes: First I've heard of it. Anyone out there know the details? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby I noticed that a CJ had an engine failure in AZ on Nov. 23 that resulted in a forced landing and fortunately the pilot was uninjured. Good job! Does anyone know what part of that engine failed ? Thanks, Terry Lewis ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:53 PM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: Yak-List: aircraft serial number Does anyone know where to look for the serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some documents, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. The book also had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked reasonably good, I'm quite suspicious about its history. Best regards, Jan Mevis Yak 50 RA2005K ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:54 PM PST US From: "Dan Pyles" Subject: Yak-List: vertical speed I need to replace my rear vertical speed indicator from a yak-52. What is the purpose for the electrical connection. Thanks Dan Pyles Yak 52 211YA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:18 PM PST US From: "Terry Lewis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: vertical speed It may be for heat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Pyles To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Yak-List: vertical speed I need to replace my rear vertical speed indicator from a yak-52. What is the purpose for the electrical connection. Thanks Dan Pyles Yak 52 211YA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:08 PM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: vertical speed Light? In a message dated 12/9/2006 3:54:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, talew@bellsouth.net writes: It may be for heat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Pyles Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Yak-List: vertical speed I need to replace my rear vertical speed indicator from a yak-52. What is the purpose for the electrical connection. Thanks Dan Pyles Yak 52 211YA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:28 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number From: "Tim Gagnon" [quote="jan.mevis(at)informavia.b"]Does anyone know where to look for the serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some documents, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. The book also had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked reasonably good, Im quite suspicious about its history. Best regards, Jan Mevis Yak 50 RA2005K > [b] There are a few places where you can find the number on a Yak-50. The firewall. If your looking at the fire wall, it is in the upper left corner. The tail, you would have to take some inspection panels off to find this one. Wing roots under the fairings. Actually, my serial number was plastered everywhere on the airplane. On the seat, inspection panels..ect. I have an issue with my serial number as it was entered wrong by either the previous owner or the man that certified the airplane here in the states. The mistake was never caught in subsequent years of "inspections" and has been a thorn in my side for some time. The local feds are going to try and clean it up for me. As for logbooks. Mine were supposedly lost but...well...I wont get started on that. Richard Goode was kind enough to talk to someone at Yak and they got me some info on the airplane. I also spoke to the man who exported it and he was quite helpful with some information on the airplane to include some damage that it suffered in Russia...funny how a guy can remember an airplane 10 years later but you cannot get the same info from someone who is supposed to have intimate knowledge of the airplane. I would assume most Yak-50's have a history beyond thier current owner and can be traced. Good luck! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p472#80472 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:35 PM PST US From: Sarah Tobin Subject: Re: Yak-List: aircraft serial number My Yak 55 was actually made in 93, so it had an original 93 serial number, but it never flew and was then reclassified a serial number in 95, so it became a 950 serial number. It happens Jan Mevis wrote: Does anyone know where to look for the serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some documents, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. The book also had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked reasonably good, Im quite suspicious about its history. Best regards, Jan Mevis Yak 50 RA2005K --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:52 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number In a message dated 12/9/2006 9:21:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, NiftyYak50@msn.com writes: CJ-6 serial numbers are (I was told and read somewhere) made up of 7 numbers. Two of the number is the "batch" number or group of airplanes com ing down the line. The middle numbers are supposed to be the factory identifier. A nd the last 2 numbers is the aircraft's number in that batch. In that case my CJ-6's number (2532059) which means it was in batch #25 in factory #320 (Nanchang) and was the 59th airplane in that batch. Supposedly that it was built in 1969. It actually started life as a CJ-6 not a CJ-6A. Now quite frankly I am NOT sure if that is correct. I do have a person fro m China looking into the serial numbers for CJ-6s for me. He is an engineer type so we should get the straight scoop - - - I hope. Production of the CJ-6 was started in 1962, theoretically the first airplan e down the line should have had the serial number 0132001. Jim Plumlee of SC has a CJ with the serial number 0232019 and was supposed to have been built in 1962. It is the oldest CJ that I know of. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" [quote="jan.mevis(at)informavia.b"]Does anyone know where to look for the serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some docu ments, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. The book al so had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked reasonably good, I =C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2 m quite suspicious about its history. Best regards, Jan Mevis Yak 50 RA2005K > [b] There are a few places where you can find the number on a Yak-50. The firewall. If your looking at the fire wall, it is in the upper left corner. The tail, you would have to take some inspection panels off to find this one. Wing roots under the fairings. Actually, my serial number was plastered everywhere on the airplane. On the seat, inspection panels..ect. I have an issue with my serial number as it w as entered wrong by either the previous owner or the man that certified the airplane here in the states. The mistake was never caught in subsequent yea rs of "inspections" and has been a thorn in my side for some time. The local feds are going to try and clean it up for me. As for logbooks. Mine were supposedly lost but...well...I wont get started on that. Richard Goode was kind enough to talk to someone at Yak and they g ot me some info on the airplane. I also spoke to the man who exported it and h e was quite helpful with some information on the airplane to include some damage that it suffered in Russia...funny how a guy can remember an airplan e 10 years later but you cannot get the same info from someone who is supposed t o have intimate knowledge of the airplane. I would assume most Yak-50's have a history beyond thier current owner and can be traced. Good luck! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p472#80472 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:38 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number A serial number DATA PLATE is usually located at the tail end of the fuselage on the flat sheet metal section just in front of the rudder. It is usually about .75" tall by about 2.5" wide and is riveted to the sheet metal. The serial number is stamped in this plate. Using my personal Yak 52 as an example, if one were to remove any removable panel, such as inspection panels or wing/tail feather fairings or even the cowling, the serial number is stenciled on each part. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number > > [quote="jan.mevis(at)informavia.b"]Does anyone know where to look for the > serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I > recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some > documents, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. > The book also had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked > reasonably good, I?Tm quite suspicious about its history. > > > Best regards, > > Jan Mevis > Yak 50 RA2005K > >> [b] > > > There are a few places where you can find the number on a Yak-50. > > The firewall. If your looking at the fire wall, it is in the upper left > corner. > The tail, you would have to take some inspection panels off to find this > one. > Wing roots under the fairings. > > Actually, my serial number was plastered everywhere on the airplane. On > the seat, inspection panels..ect. I have an issue with my serial number as > it was entered wrong by either the previous owner or the man that > certified the airplane here in the states. The mistake was never caught in > subsequent years of "inspections" and has been a thorn in my side for some > time. The local feds are going to try and clean it up for me. > > As for logbooks. Mine were supposedly lost but...well...I wont get started > on that. Richard Goode was kind enough to talk to someone at Yak and they > got me some info on the airplane. I also spoke to the man who exported it > and he was quite helpful with some information on the airplane to include > some damage that it suffered in Russia...funny how a guy can remember an > airplane 10 years later but you cannot get the same info from someone who > is supposed to have intimate knowledge of the airplane. > > I would assume most Yak-50's have a history beyond thier current owner and > can be traced. > > Good luck! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p472#80472 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:39 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number Ditto, In my 50 and 52, it is stenciled everywhere. doc > [Original Message] > From: A. Dennis Savarese > To: > Date: 12/9/2006 10:31:21 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number > > > A serial number DATA PLATE is usually located at the tail end of the > fuselage on the flat sheet metal section just in front of the rudder. It is > usually about .75" tall by about 2.5" wide and is riveted to the sheet > metal. The serial number is stamped in this plate. Using my personal Yak > 52 as an example, if one were to remove any removable panel, such as > inspection panels or wing/tail feather fairings or even the cowling, the > serial number is stenciled on each part. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Gagnon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:18 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: aircraft serial number > > > > > > [quote="jan.mevis(at)informavia.b"]Does anyone know where to look for the > > serial number of a Yak in order to check if it matches with the books? I > > recently saw a Yak 50 in Germany which was from 1981 according to some > > documents, but the accompanying book had a serial number starting with 83. > > The book also had no history before 2001. Although the aircraft looked > > reasonably good, I?Tm quite suspicious about its history. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jan Mevis > > Yak 50 RA2005K > > > >> [b] > > > > > > There are a few places where you can find the number on a Yak-50. > > > > The firewall. If your looking at the fire wall, it is in the upper left > > corner. > > The tail, you would have to take some inspection panels off to find this > > one. > > Wing roots under the fairings. > > > > Actually, my serial number was plastered everywhere on the airplane. On > > the seat, inspection panels..ect. I have an issue with my serial number as > > it was entered wrong by either the previous owner or the man that > > certified the airplane here in the states. The mistake was never caught in > > subsequent years of "inspections" and has been a thorn in my side for some > > time. The local feds are going to try and clean it up for me. > > > > As for logbooks. Mine were supposedly lost but...well...I wont get started > > on that. Richard Goode was kind enough to talk to someone at Yak and they > > got me some info on the airplane. I also spoke to the man who exported it > > and he was quite helpful with some information on the airplane to include > > some damage that it suffered in Russia...funny how a guy can remember an > > airplane 10 years later but you cannot get the same info from someone who > > is supposed to have intimate knowledge of the airplane. > > > > I would assume most Yak-50's have a history beyond thier current owner and > > can be traced. > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p472#80472 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.