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1. 04:49 AM - searching for yak-drive'rs archives (mougellionel@aol.com)
2. 04:58 AM - Stuka horn (Jerome van der Schaar)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Stuka horn (Gpw678@aol.com)
4. 01:06 PM - Gas leak (bob)
5. 04:00 PM - Re: Gas leak (PHCarter@aol.com)
6. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Yak Nametags (John fischer)
7. 05:45 PM - Re: Gas leak (Yak Pilot)
8. 07:55 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/26/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
9. 07:55 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 12/28/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
10. 07:55 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/27/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
11. 07:55 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/29/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
12. 07:58 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/30/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
13. 07:58 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/31/06 (Jill Gernetzke)
14. 07:58 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/01/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
15. 07:58 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 01/02/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
16. 07:59 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/03/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
17. 08:03 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/05/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
18. 08:03 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/06/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
19. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Air tanks (David McGirt)
20. 08:37 PM - Doug (peter waddington)
21. 08:56 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 01/04/07 (Jill Gernetzke)
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| Subject: | searching for yak-drive'rs archives |
hello,
i have found yak drivers archives from 93 to 98 .i would know if another kind
of archive exist since then . in fact i'm in priority looking for special notice
about the CJ-6 or another modifications docs .
thanks for all
happy new year
Lionel
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Hi all,
I've got the idea to attach a Stuka horn to my Yak during display.
Does anyone got an idea how to:
- build a Stuka horn
- attach this to the Yak-52
Looking forward to your fabulous idea's.
Best regards,
Jerome
www.yakkes.com
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what a great idea? that would be awesome in a display.
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Finally found the source of an intermittent gas smell when fuel started
leaking out of the left wing. There was a 1 1/2" long crack in the
bottom of the tank along side the middle row of rivets. If you smell
gas during acro and/or when the tanks are full this is a good place to
check. It could be why the book says no acro on full tanks.
FWIW: While the tanks were dry I changed the main hoses and cleaned
the fine fuel filter. It took 100 strokes of the primer to get fuel
pressure after filling the left tank. After that, starting and run up
were normal (ran 18min). I can now report that the engine will run with
one tank completely dry on the ground.
I'll let someone else confirm this in the air.
bob
52BN
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Bob
How did you repair the tank? I had this problem 18 months ago and repaired
by welding. 6 months ago, the same leak reappeared at the same location. The
crack grew straight across the weld (perpendicular) in a slightly different
location. Rather then rewelding I tried gas tank epoxy and added a brace
between the tank and the wing panel to take the "oil canning" stress off the tank.
It has held so far, but from time to time I imagine (falsely) a leak is back.
Would like to compare notes on how you repaired crack.
Preston
N6209F
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Nametags |
Mr Hockley,
Yes I can send to the UK, approx postage $3.00. I need your name the way you
want it spelled on the nametag and a shipping address.
I accept cash, check or paypal (no credit cards with PayPal).
Thak You
John Fischer
P.O. Box 2294
California City, CA 93504
>
>Hi John
>
>Look good.Can you send out to the UK?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85589#85589
>
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On Aluminum tanks, I highly recommend 8802 fuel sealing compound or the equivalent.
I believe Aircraft Spruce sells its. I have been using it on military aircraft
fuel leaks since Vietnam and can tell you that it works.... GOOD.
I put some on a crack on the acro fuel tank in my YAK-50 back in 1999. It still
is holding perfectly.
Some people will tell you that the only way to repair a tank is by welding.
Welding works just fine if you get someone who knows what they are doing, and
does not blow out the thin metal used on the Russian tanks (for example). You
also must remove the tank and purge it for this type of repair.
Using 8802, you just clean the tank to bare metal, use a preparation etcher fluid,
glob it on there, and it's done. 8802 is a two part compound. It dries
to a hard rubber feel, not solid. It can flex.
Best of luck,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
PHCarter@aol.com wrote:
Bob
How did you repair the tank? I had this problem 18 months ago and repaired by
welding. 6 months ago, the same leak reappeared at the same location. The
crack grew straight across the weld (perpendicular) in a slightly different location.
Rather then rewelding I tried gas tank epoxy and added a brace between
the tank and the wing panel to take the "oil canning" stress off the tank.
It has held so far, but from time to time I imagine (falsely) a leak is back.
Would like to compare notes on how you repaired crack.
Preston
N6209F
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/26/06 |
M-14P, Inc. will be closed from December 24 thru January 7th. Messages
will receive a reply on January 8th. We apologize for any
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Best regards,
Jill
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> 1. 05:51 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/25/06 (Jill
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> 2. 07:49 AM - Re: Waycross - 2007 (FamilyGage@aol.com)
> 3. 07:57 AM - Re: Yak-52 intercom (Valkyre1)
> 4. 08:47 AM - Re: Waycross - 2007 (Roger Kemp)
> 5. 09:02 AM - Re: Waycross - 2007 (Roger Kemp)
> 6. 09:42 AM - Re: Waycross - 2007 Chute Packing (Shane Golden)
> 7. 10:59 AM - Re: Yak-52 intercom (Scooter)
> 8. 11:59 AM - Re: Yak-52 intercom (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 12:18 PM - Re: Vals CJ annual and our "overhaul" and prop
> domes (Doug Sapp)
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> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/25/06
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>> 1. 10:01 AM - Re: New Red Star AirplaneLinedog sighting
>> (Valkyre1)
>> 2. 02:50 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/24/06 (Jill
>> Gernetzke)
>> 3. 05:32 PM - Waycross - 2007 (David McGirt)
>> 4. 07:08 PM - Re: Waycross - 2007 (Shane Golden)
>> 5. 07:42 PM - Re: Waycross - 2007 (David McGirt)
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>> Time: 10:01:33 AM PST US
>> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Red Star AirplaneLinedog sighting
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all, and "Vostrovia!" A very Happy New Year to
>> all
>> of us "Yak Red Stars". See you in '07.
>>
>> Dasvidanya,
>> - Val
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>> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/24/06
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>>> 1. 09:03 AM - New Red Star Airplane (Jeff Linebaugh)
>>> 2. 12:17 PM - Re: New Red Star Airplane (Roger Kemp)
>>> 3. 03:37 PM - Merry Christmas (and Seasons Greetings) to all
>>> (Craig Payne)
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 09:03:41 AM PST US
>>> From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: New Red Star Airplane
>>>
>>> Barry, Doc, and all
>>>
>>> Yes, it is true I am finally making noise again in a RedStar airplane
>>> I
>>> have been busy brushing off the rust hoping to make a good showing at
>>> Waycross. Doc was mostly correctalthough its an F1 Rocket, not a
>>> Harmon
>>> (sorta like ID-ing a CJ as a Yak) As Barry knows from his Legacy, its
>>> pretty fun zorching around at 200kts, although I do miss the sound of
>>> the
>>> M14P.
>>>
>>> If anybody is interested, here is a link to some shots of the new
>>> machine
>>> from last weekend.
>>>
>>> http://www.rocket-boys.com/shows/RocketDaughters/default.htm
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and Safe Skies for all our Yak friends in the New
>>> Year! See
>>> you at AYS!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Jeff Linebaugh
>>> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>>> F1 Rocket #33 N240KT
>>> Memphis, TN.
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 02:16:56 PM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linedog sighting
>>>
>>>
>>> He's now learning what it's like to ride a tricycle backwards at 90
>>> mph! He
>>> has a Harmon Rocket. Painted in atleast the Red Star mandatory paint
>>> scheme! It has a RED STAR on the tail and wings. Actually, it is a
>>> good
>>> looking airplane for a non radial that is!
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>> _____________________________________
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>>>
>>> Time: 12:17:19 PM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Red Star Airplane
>>>
>>> Errr...stand corrected...was that a Lycoming or a Contenital? :>))
>>> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
>>> Even if you did go for a flat engine. You know you are going to miss
>>> that vibration
>>> of that M-14P in those ol' bones!
>>> Good looking airplane you have there. Can't wait to see her at
>>> Waycross!
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jeff Linebaugh
>>> Sent: 12/24/2006 11:12:47 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: New Red Star Airplane
>>>
>>>
>>> Barry, Doc, and all
>>>
>>> Yes, it is true I am finally making noise again in a RedStar airplane
>>> I have been
>>> busy brushing off the rust hoping to make a good showing at Waycross.
>>> Doc
>>> was mostly correctalthough its an F1 Rocket, not a Harmon (sorta like
>>> ID-ing a
>>> CJ as a Yak) As Barry knows from his Legacy, its pretty fun zorching
>>> around at
>>> 200kts, although I do miss the sound of the M14P.
>>>
>>> If anybody is interested, here is a link to some shots of the new
>>> machine from
>>> last weekend.
>>>
>>> http://www.rocket-boys.com/shows/RocketDaughters/default.htm
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and Safe Skies for all our Yak friends in the New
>>> Year! See you
>>> at AYS!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Jeff Linebaugh
>>> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>>> F1 Rocket #33 N240KT
>>> Memphis, TN.
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 02:16:56 PM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linedog sighting
>>>
>>>
>>> He's now learning what it's like to ride a tricycle backwards at 90
>>> mph! He
>>> has a Harmon Rocket. Painted in atleast the Red Star mandatory paint
>>> scheme! It has a RED STAR on the tail and wings. Actually, it is a
>>> good
>>> looking airplane for a non radial that is!
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 03:37:39 PM PST US
>>> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Merry Christmas (and Seasons Greetings) to all
>>>
>>> Hope everyone is enjoying quality time at home. Family and friends of
>>> course; but
>>> then there is that stack of catalogs filled with aviation goodies and
>>> a printout
>>> of Doug's parts list to peruse As I compose my annual program letter
>>> for
>>> the FSDO guys, my thoughts range through the variety of opportunities
>>> we now
>>> enjoy as RedStars, it's beginning to become a brand name on the
>>> airshow circuit.
>>> Was not always that way.
>>>
>>> Tough day down here South of I-4, a little senior citizen acro up and
>>> down between
>>> the scattered layer, working up a G-induced sweat in the 80+ degree
>>> humidity,
>>> forcing me to open the canopy and let the breeze do it's thing. Those
>>> poor
>>> guys waiting for take-off clearance, all sealed up in their spam cans
>>> as I execute
>>> my 360 with the breeze blowing in. Do they know what they are
>>> missing?
>>>
>>> Craig Payne
>>> cpayne@joimail.com
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> Time: 05:32:40 PM PST US
>> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> Shane,
>>
>> Do you know if you will have a parachute packer there? I know I am
>> not the
>> only one out there of the 30+ pilots coming that might need a chute
>> packed..
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:08:31 PM PST US
>> From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> We can have a chute packer there. Y'all let me know if you're
>> interested.
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> Shane,
>>
>> Do you know if you will have a parachute packer there? I know I am
>> not the
>> only one out there of the 30+ pilots coming that might need a chute
>> packed..
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:42:40 PM PST US
>> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> I know I would be in for 2 chutes, and I THINK Tim Williams would have
>> 2,
>> everyone else sounds off..
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Golden
>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 10:08 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> We can have a chute packer there. Y'all let me know if you're
>> interested.
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> Shane,
>>
>> Do you know if you will have a parachute packer there? I know I am
>> not the
>> only one out there of the 30+ pilots coming that might need a chute
>> packed..
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:49:56 AM PST US
> From: FamilyGage@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
> Shane:
>
> Count me in for two chutes. Look forward to seeing the RPA gang.
> Hope that everyone had a wonderful Christmas (we did), and that 2007
> will be
> fantastic.
>
> My Best,
> Ray Gage
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US
> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 intercom
>
> - A problem that I hope someone can help me to rectify before going up
> again . . . My CJ has a hot-mic and an M14 engine. I don't know if
> it's my high-pitch female voice, the new headsets, or operator error,
> but ever since I've acquired the aircraft, I have problems with my
> transmissions cutting out intermittently while I'm speaking on the
> intercom. I don't know if it's doing the same with ATC or not. Any
> ideas on this? (I've tried adjusting the squelch. Maybe I just need
> to
> try harder, but it's really aggravating to me as well as the poor soul
> sitting in back.)
>
> Thanks,
> -Val
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:47:30 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
>
> Was just thinking about that. We have a guy here a 08A that is now
> certified to pack seat packs. Problem is he works for the Army at Fort
> Rucker during the week test flying helicopters. So he is tied up
> sometimes
> doing his job down in Daleville, Al but his family lives on the lake
> near
> Wetumpka.
> Dave, I will check to see if he can do it between now and Waycross. He
> likes to air the chute for a day before inspecting and repacking it.
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Shane Golden <scgsmg@bellsouth.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 12/25/2006 9:14:00 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> We can have a chute packer there. Y'all let me know if you're
> interested.
>>
>> Shane
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 8:32 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>>
>>
>> Shane,
>>
>> Do you know if you will have a parachute packer there? I know I am
>> not
> the
>> only one out there of the 30+ pilots coming that might need a chute
> packed..
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:02:23 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
> Ray,
> Good to hear you got your ticker back on line and in sink! See ya at
> Waycross,
> if I get an engine rehung and the test time flown off.
> Merry Christmas
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: 12/26/2006 9:55:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
>
> Shane:
>
> Count me in for two chutes. Look forward to seeing the RPA gang.
> Hope that everyone had a wonderful Christmas (we did), and that 2007
> will be fantastic.
>
> My Best,
> Ray Gage
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:42:21 AM PST US
> From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007 Chute Packing
>
> Looks like we may have a gal from Strong parachutes available to pack
> chutes
> at Waycross.
>
>
> Standby.
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
>
> Ray,
>
> Good to hear you got your ticker back on line and in sink! See ya at
> Waycross, if I get an engine rehung and the test time flown off.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: <mailto:FamilyGage@aol.com>
>
>
> Sent: 12/26/2006 9:55:01 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007
>
>
> Shane:
>
>
> Count me in for two chutes. Look forward to seeing the RPA gang.
>
> Hope that everyone had a wonderful Christmas (we did), and that 2007
> will be
> fantastic.
>
>
> My Best,
>
> Ray Gage
>
> <>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:59:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 intercom
> From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
>
> What kind of headset/mic and intercom? You might want to try the old
> headset and
> try your new headset in the back seat. Can you hear it when your
> transmission
> cuts out or is the gib telling you this?
>
>
> [quote="Valkyre1(at)comcast.net"]- A problem that I hope someone can
> help me to
> rectify before going up again . . . My CJ has a hot-mic and an M14
> engine.
> I don't know if it's my high-pitch female voice, the new headsets,
> or operator
> error, but ever since I've acquired the aircraft, I have problems
> with my
> transmissions cutting out intermittently while I'm speaking on the
> intercom.
> I don't know if it's doing the same with ATC or not. Any ideas on
> this?
> (I've tried adjusting the squelch. Maybe I just need to try harder,
> but it's
> really aggravating to me as well as the poor soul sitting in back.)
>
> Thanks,
> -Val
>
>> [b]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=83609#83609
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:59:50 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 intercom
>
> Val,
> Are you using active noise canceling headsets?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valkyre1
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 intercom
>
>
> - A problem that I hope someone can help me to rectify before going
> up
> again . . . My CJ has a hot-mic and an M14 engine. I don't know if
> it's my high-pitch female voice, the new headsets, or operator error,
> but ever since I've acquired the aircraft, I have problems with my
> transmissions cutting out intermittently while I'm speaking on the
> intercom. I don't know if it's doing the same with ATC or not. Any
> ideas on this? (I've tried adjusting the squelch. Maybe I just need
> to
> try harder, but it's really aggravating to me as well as the poor soul
> sitting in back.)
>
> Thanks,
> -Val
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:18:49 PM PST US
> From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vals CJ annual and our "overhaul" and prop domes
>
> Drew,
> I have the prop dome and piston in stock, new or used. Also used hubs,
> new hubs, and most any prop part you might need to breath life back
> into
> your old hub. Contact me off line if you still need the parts.
>
> Also, any truth to the rumor that you are good old honest Andrew's new
> best pal for CJ's on the east coast now ??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
>> Val, down here in Florida this started as a thourough annual on this
>> CJ here in Del Ray beach and quickly turned in to a front to rear
>> overhaul - I pulled the water-sep from the firewall to get an early
>> idea and it was growing a biology experiment (well, the organisms had
>> long past died sometime in the mid-triassic...) one air gage plugged
>> and non working due to crud, others reading like split packs on the
>> 757 at cruise ;) (the gage and curved lines to the valves acted like
>> a dead end sump in the system, and was a nice pilot indicator this
>> system was internally mucked beyond fubar, we blew out some
>> crystalyzed gunk from these lines, few anywhere else and replaced the
>> tanks)...but a key issue I found was a fully rusted out and inop
>> emergency check valve..with the others in need of cleaning and
>> attention...
>>
>> If your air system was infiltrated bad, you may want to inspect these
>> firewall check valves (batch 23 I think has them all firewall
>> mounted), pricey new ($60), but the springs and seats in ours were
>> down for the count, that alone is not an expensive replacement at all.
>>
>> Now on to the leaky prop...anyone got a line on outter domes for the
>> chinese 2 blade? This one appears shot as is (scored), we have all the
>> seals from Doug and it's all that should be keeping her from
>> Waycross...I assume Doug and/or Bill has the domes...in fact, anyone
>> around the east have a youthful 2-blade or components they want to
>> unload?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>
>> Valkyre1 <Valkyre1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Andre,
>>
>> I just had the first annual inspection done on my CJ6 with the Russian
>> M14P....
>> engine. I had Dennis Savarese come out to Salt Lake City and train me
>> while I assisted in the annual. He is very thorough, to say nothing of
>> knowledgeable and it was some of the best money I have ever spent. We
>> had a
>> great time although we did work our proverbial butts off in a cold
>> hanger.
>>
>> On my last flight before the annual, I couldn't get the gear up. There
>> was
>> a pneumatic leak hissing on the firewall, which I found in a worn
>> connection
>> on the T-fitting (Doug Sapp sent me what I needed to replace it). That
>> also
>> led to my taking the stainless steel water separator apart to replace
>> the
>> filters. I had just recently purchased the aircraft from an impeccably
>> thorough owner and it's upkeep was immaculate. That was why I was so
>> surprised to find about a teaspoon of rust on one side and a teaspoon
>> of
>> mineral deposits on the other. Of course I cleaned it all out and
>> replaced
>> the filters as well as running pipe cleaners through the tubing to try
>> to
>> determine if they had rust in them. They didn't... but it had to come
>> from
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We found the culprit when Dennis (Da' Godfadder) and I checked the
>> main
>> air
>> tank. It was filled with rust, a potentially really bad thing.
>> Needless
>> to
>> say, Doug got more business when I ordered a new one. Dennis said that
>> it
>> appeared that this condition occurred with the owner previous to the
>> one I
>> purchased my airplane from, which made sense.
>>
>> Well, Dennis is back home in his warn little nest in Alabama and I'm
>> just
>> waiting for warmer weather to go take my extra large baggage
>> compartment and
>> super-dooper smoke system out so that I can get to the air tank and
>> replace
>> it. Again, for relatively little cost and immense rewards in getting
>> to
>> know your engine, I would highly recommend having Dennis Savarese come
>> out
>> and give you the course he teaches.
>>
>> Best of luck, Happy Holidays, and fly safe'
>>
>> Valkyrie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yak-List Digest Server"
>> Sent: Thursday,
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:42:59 PM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: SNF Reservations
>
> Just got my new WB magazine, dated September? Anyway, it contains the
> room reservation
> form for lodging at the Winter Haven Holiday Inn. Same place as the
> last
> 4 or 5 years now. WB pilot priority is granted through February 1st.
> After
> that it is open to other warbird members until March 15th. Failing
> that there
> is the HoJo next door with a Cypress Gardens address.
>
> This years' event starts a little later: April 17th.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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> 1. 03:51 AM - SNF Changes (Craig Payne)
> 2. 03:56 AM - More SNF News (Craig Payne)
> 3. 05:27 AM - Re: (Valkyre1)
> 4. 05:57 AM - Re: (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 07:17 AM - Propeller (JOE HOWSE)
> 6. 04:26 PM - New web site for goodies (Craig Payne)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:51:20 AM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: SNF Changes
>
> 2007 SNF Attendees,
>
> Check out this article in the local paper, the flight line will be
> "open" to anyone
> who buys a ticket, no more checking wristbands at the flightline.
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/
> 612280447/1039
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:56:52 AM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: More SNF News
>
> Those of us who fly at Sun n Fun or Oshkosh may remember Wayne Boggs;
> he has a
> new job at SNF now.
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/
> 612280427
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:27:15 AM PST US
> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
> Thanks Linedog. That about narrows it down. I had already purchased
> two Flightcom 4DLX Classic headsets before I bought CJ or I would have
> taken your advice on the Oregon Aero Muffs. It looks like it may well
> be just operator error and the inevitable hearing loss that comes with
> flying jets for 30 years. (LOL) I'll fiddle with it until I get it
> right .
>
> - V
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:57:34 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
> Val,
> The Oregon Aero ear muffs will fit perfectly on the 4DLX's. Simply
> remove the current ear cushions and replace them with the Oregon Aero
> #20005. http://www.oregonaero.com/p606162_2001.html#softseal . They
> are
> well worth the price.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valkyre1
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
>
> Thanks Linedog. That about narrows it down. I had already purchased
> two Flightcom 4DLX Classic headsets before I bought CJ or I would have
> taken your advice on the Oregon Aero Muffs. It looks like it may well
> be just operator error and the inevitable hearing loss that comes with
> flying jets for 30 years. (LOL) I'll fiddle with it until I get it
> right .
>
> - V
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:17:21 AM PST US
> From: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Yak-List: Propeller
>
> Drew
>
> I have two fresh OH props ready to ship, 2000.00 each.
>
> I now have a Yak 18 T
>
> Joe Howse
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:26:43 PM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: New web site for goodies
>
> For Yak/CJ goodies you won't find anywhere else, try my new web site:
> http://home.joimail.com/~cpayne1/
>
> Let me know if it breaks, I'm still tuning it.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:34 AM - "Hot Mic" CJ (Jeff Linebaugh)
> 2. 06:24 AM - Re: Vals CJ annual and our (Valkyre1)
> 3. 10:59 AM - Re: Waycross - 2007 Chute Packing
> (F16ftrplt@aol.com)
> 4. 02:53 PM - Randy DeVere (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 5. 06:15 PM - Re: Vals CJ annual and our "overhaul" and prop
> domes (Jim Selby)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:34:08 AM PST US
> From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: "Hot Mic" CJ
>
> Val,
>
> As the previous owner, I can assure you that there were plenty of
> high-pitched voices through your intercom with nary a problem We also
> used
> several different types of headsets over the years, ANR and PNR,
> without a
> hitch. If you are having trouble with the intercom cutting you out,
> then it
> is not a hot-mic trouble but sounds more like a squelch adjustment
> problem.
>
> Your intercom (PS Eng PMA 1000) is among the best around in
> attenuating the
> high M14P noise. Please remember there are two squelch (and volume)
> adjustments, one for each seat. The left outer knob controls the
> front seat
> squelch, the right outer knob adjusts the back seat. Volume is
> adjusted
> with the smaller inner knobs. If you are hearing a lot of background
> noise,
> it may be the rear seat squelch that is the culprit. Also, note that
> if you
> adjust the squelch on the ground, it is completely normal to need to
> increase the squelch after getting airborne (turn the outer knobs
> clockwise.) Most people choose to leave the squelch at a nominal value
> that
> works well while airborne, without having to yell on the ground to
> break
> squelch. By turning the squelch all the way clockwise, you should be
> able
> to completely squelch out the intercom positions. ATC will hear you
> regardless of the squelch position, if you push the PTT switch, If
> the
> intercom is cutting you out, then either turn the left squelch knob
> slightly
> counter-clockwise, or speak louder.
>
> Could the new headsets be the source of trouble? What type are you
> using?
> Are you using the Oregon Aero Mic Muffs I suggested on the headsets?
> They
> are the ones with the leather outer cover over a foam inner filter.
> They do
> a lot to reduce the amount of background noise, reducing the squelch
> requiredyou used one when you came to fly with my the first time. I
> think
> most on this list would agree they work wonders; Id try them to see if
> they
> help.
>
> Hope this helped
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> the previous owner
>
> Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US
> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 intercom
>
> - A problem that I hope someone can help me to rectify before going up
> again . . . My CJ has a hot-mic and an M14 engine. I don't know if
> it's my high-pitch female voice, the new headsets, or operator error,
> but ever since I've acquired the aircraft, I have problems with my
> transmissions cutting out intermittently while I'm speaking on the
> intercom. I don't know if it's doing the same with ATC or not. Any
> ideas on this? (I've tried adjusting the squelch. Maybe I just need
> to
> try harder, but it's really aggravating to me as well as the poor soul
> sitting in back.)
>
> Thanks,
> -Val
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:24:38 AM PST US
> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vals CJ annual and our
>
> Thanks Drew.
>
> Re: the check valves and gunk in the water separator, etc: I did find
> a
> pellet of it in the firewall mounted T-fitting where two check valves
> are and sent it to Doug Sapp where we both decided to replace the whole
> thing, and I did. So far I haven't experienced any problems with
> strange gage readings, but I haven't had it airborne since the
> inspection. Could you do me a favor and briefly list the valves that
> you are suggesting I take off and inspect, their location on the CJ/M14
> and how the heck do I "blow out" the lines? (I'm still fairly new at
> this and don't want to make anything worse than it may or may not be).
>
> Thanks,
> -Val
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:59:18 AM PST US
> From: F16ftrplt@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross - 2007 Chute Packing
>
> Shane
> I was going to send my 2 to get repacked. If we can have them
> repacked in
> Waycross that would be great.
> Med
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:53:16 PM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Randy DeVere
>
> Please contact me off list, Bear. Thanks, Blitz
>
>
> Byron M. Fox
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> Home 415-380-0907
> Cell 415-307-2405
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:53 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vals CJ annual and our "overhaul" and prop domes
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Sapp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vals CJ annual and our "overhaul" and prop
> domes
>
>
> Drew,
> I have the prop dome and piston in stock, new or used. Also used
> hubs, new hubs, and most any prop part you might need to breath life
> back into your old hub. Contact me off line if you still need the
> parts.
>
> Also, any truth to the rumor that you are good old honest Andrew's
> new
> best pal for CJ's on the east coast now ??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
> Val, down here in Florida this started as a thourough annual on
> this
> CJ here in Del Ray beach and quickly turned in to a front to rear
> overhaul - I pulled the water-sep from the firewall to get an early
> idea
> and it was growing a biology experiment (well, the organisms had long
> past died sometime in the mid-triassic...) one air gage plugged and non
> working due to crud, others reading like split packs on the 757 at
> cruise ;) (the gage and curved lines to the valves acted like a dead
> end sump in the system, and was a nice pilot indicator this system was
> internally mucked beyond fubar, we blew out some crystalyzed gunk from
> these lines, few anywhere else and replaced the tanks)...but a key
> issue
> I found was a fully rusted out and inop emergency check valve..with the
> others in need of cleaning and attention...
>
> If your air system was infiltrated bad, you may want to inspect
> these firewall check valves (batch 23 I think has them all firewall
> mounted), pricey new ($60), but the springs and seats in ours were down
> for the count, that alone is not an expensive replacement at all.
>
> Now on to the leaky prop...anyone got a line on outter domes for
> the
> chinese 2 blade? This one appears shot as is (scored), we have all the
> seals from Doug and it's all that should be keeping her from
> Waycross...I assume Doug and/or Bill has the domes...in fact, anyone
> around the east have a youthful 2-blade or components they want to
> unload?
>
> Drew
>
>
> Valkyre1 <Valkyre1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Andre,
>
> I just had the first annual inspection done on my CJ6 with the
> Russian
> M14P....
> engine. I had Dennis Savarese come out to Salt Lake City and train
> me
> while I assisted in the annual. He is very thorough, to say nothing
> of
> knowledgeable and it was some of the best money I have ever spent.
> We
> had a
> great time although we did work our proverbial butts off in a cold
> hanger.
>
> On my last flight before the annual, I couldn't get the gear up.
> There
> was
> a pneumatic leak hissing on the firewall, which I found in a worn
> connection
> on the T-fitting (Doug Sapp sent me what I needed to replace it).
> That
> also
> led to my taking the stainless steel water separator apart to
> replace
> the
> filters. I had just recently purchased the aircraft from an
> impeccably
> thorough owner and it's upkeep was immaculate. That was why I was
> so
>
> surprised to find about a teaspoon of rust on one side and a
> teaspoon
> of
> mineral deposits on the other. Of course I cleaned it all out and
> replaced
> the filters as well as running pipe cleaners through the tubing to
> try
> to
> determine if they had rust in them. They didn't... but it had to
> come
> from
> somewhere.
>
> We found the culprit when Dennis (Da' Godfadder) and I checked the
> main
> air
> tank. It was filled with rust, a potentially really bad thing.
> Needless
> to
> say, Doug got more business when I ordered a new one. Dennis said
> that
> it
> appeared that this condition occurred with the owner previous to
> the
>
> one I
> purchased my airplane from, which made sense.
>
> Well, Dennis is back home in his warn little nest in Alabama and
> I'm
>
> just
> waiting for warmer weather to go take my extra large baggage
> compartment and
> super-dooper smoke system out so that I can get to the air tank and
> replace
> it. Again, for relatively little cost and immense rewards in
> getting
> to
> know your engine, I would highly recommend having Dennis Savarese
> come
> out
> and give you the course he teaches.
>
> Best of luck, Happy Holidays, and fly safe'
>
> Valkyrie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yak-List Digest Server"
> Sent: Thursday,
>
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> 1. 05:25 AM - Re: New web site for goodies (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 2. 06:30 AM - Oregon Aero MIC Muffs (Jeff Linebaugh)
> 3. 09:50 AM - Developemental History of CJ6A (Jim Bernier)
> 4. 12:29 PM - Re: Developemental History of CJ6A (Phil Cogan)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 05:25:50 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New web site for goodies
>
> Nice job Craig. Some really useful products too.
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne
> To: yak-list
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:24 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: New web site for goodies
>
>
> For Yak/CJ goodies you won't find anywhere else, try my new web site:
> http://home.joimail.com/~cpayne1/
>
> Let me know if it breaks, I'm still tuning it.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:30:30 AM PST US
> From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Oregon Aero MIC Muffs
>
> Val,
>
> The Oregon Aero Mic Muffs will fit just about ANY headset mic I am not
> talking about the ear cushions here, Dennis, (although they sure are
> nice
> too!) this is a noise attenuator for the microphone. It just slips
> over the
> mic and is held in place by an elastic band. I believe they have
> different
> sizes depending on the mic size I know I am not the only one using
> these
> things- they are cheap and work well.
>
> Here is a link to the explanation of how they work on their website:
>
> http://oregonaero.com/p5657_2001.html
>
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> F1 Rocket #33 N240KT
> Memphis, TN.
>
>
> Time: 05:57:34 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
> Val,
> The Oregon Aero ear muffs will fit perfectly on the 4DLX's. Simply
> remove the current ear cushions and replace them with the Oregon Aero
> #20005. http://www.oregonaero.com/p606162_2001.html#softseal . They
> are
> well worth the price.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valkyre1
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
>
> Thanks Linedog. That about narrows it down. I had already purchased
> two Flightcom 4DLX Classic headsets before I bought CJ or I would have
> taken your advice on the Oregon Aero Muffs. It looks like it may well
> be just operator error and the inevitable hearing loss that comes with
> flying jets for 30 years. (LOL) I'll fiddle with it until I get it
> right .
>
> - V
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:50:51 AM PST US
> From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
> Subject: Yak-List: Developemental History of CJ6A
>
> To All
> I've attached a copy of an excerpt from "China Today: Aviation
> Industry".
> This will either give you a heads up on the CJ or reconfirm what you
> already know.
> Enjoy, Jim B.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:29:24 PM PST US
> From: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Developemental History of CJ6A
>
>
> Thanks, Jim.
>
> Here's a version that's a bit more legible. I think I'll print a few
> copies
> and leave them in the plane so I can give them to people who want to
> know
> more about the CJ-6.
>
> Phil Cogan
> Shortbus
>
>
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> 1. 12:39 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/29/06
> (Cj6sly@cs.com)
> 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Propeller (Steve & Donna Hanshew)
> 3. 07:47 AM - Re: Oregon Aero MIC Muffs (Valkyre1)
> 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Propeller (JOE HOWSE)
> 5. 01:25 PM - Huosai tach driver for sale (david stroud)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:39:53 AM PST US
> From: Cj6sly@cs.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/29/06
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2006 1:01:28 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> yak-list@matronics.com writes:
>>
>> Time: 09:50:51 AM PST US
>> From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Developemental History of CJ6A
>>
>> To All
>> I've attached a copy of an excerpt from "China Today: Aviation
>> Industry".
>> This will either give you a heads up on the CJ or reconfirm what you
>> already know.
>> Enjoy, Jim B.
> WELL. What did I miss? is there an attachment?
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 05:29:10 AM PST US
> From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Propeller
>
> Joe,
>
> Are they J-9s?
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOE HOWSE
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:11 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Propeller
>
> Drew
>
> I have two fresh OH props ready to ship, 2000.00 each.
>
> I now have a Yak 18 T
>
> Joe Howse
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:47:43 AM PST US
> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oregon Aero MIC MuffsYak-List:
>
> Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
> 'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
> hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
> Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be either.)
>
>
> Val
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:49:44 AM PST US
> From: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Propeller
>
> Steve
>
> Yes, both J9-G1, stock CJ6-A.
> All new seals, re-cad plated steel parts, tested , balanced and
> certified.
>
> Joe
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:25:03 PM PST US
> From: "david stroud" <dstroud@storm.ca>
> Subject: Yak-List: Huosai tach driver for sale
>
> Anyone on the list need a tach driver for the Huosai engine? I found a
> direct
> drive adapter and therefore the electric one is surplus to me. Email
> off
> list
> to dstroud@storm.ca if interested. PN GZ-14 Thanks..
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> C-FDWS Christavia
> Fairchild 51 under construction
> and on the gear...
>
>
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> 1. 03:45 AM - Towbars vs Winches (Craig Payne)
> 2. 04:51 AM - Re: Towbars vs Winches (Daniel Fortin)
> 3. 04:55 AM - Brakes failed / air leak (Jorgen Nielsen)
> 4. 05:48 AM - Re: Towbars vs Winches (Scooter)
> 5. 08:09 AM - Re: Towbars vs Winches (Mike Bell)
> 6. 08:16 AM - Re: Towbars vs Winches (Roger Kemp)
> 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Towbars vs Winches (Roger Kemp)
> 8. 02:23 PM - dropsy! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 9. 02:50 PM - Happy new year (mougellionel@aol.com)
> 10. 06:18 PM - Re: Happy new year (Roger Kemp)
> 11. 06:27 PM - Re: dropsy! (Roger Kemp)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:45:15 AM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>
>>
>>
>> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
>> 'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
>> hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
>> Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be either.)
>>
> Val,
>
> Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout
> while being
> distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but finding the
> parts
> wasn't easy.
>
> Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger
> floor, dead
> center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still have to
> hop the
> nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is slower,
> but steady.
> Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine is from Harbor
> Freight
> and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I didn't have power.
> The
> charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always have juice.
>
> Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your
> house on
> the taxiway, no problem.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:51:20 AM PST US
> From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>
>
> Back in my medevac pilot days, we had a winch to put the Cheyenne back
> in
> the barn. With 6" clearance on each wingtip, the boss didn't want us
> to push
> it in with the truck. We had the winch pull it an used the tow bar for
> small
> course corrections. Our winch was AC and we had the control switch on
> a long
> cord. The same guy could man the switch and tow bar. Works very well.
>
> D
>
>
>> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>> To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:44:25 -0500
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
>>> 'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
>>> hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
>>> Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be
>>> either.)
>>>
>> Val,
>>
>> Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout
>> while
>> being distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but
>> finding
>> the parts wasn't easy.
>>
>> Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger
>> floor,
>> dead center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still
>> have to
>> hop the nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is
>> slower,
>> but steady. Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine
>> is from
>> Harbor Freight and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I
>> didn't
>> have power. The charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always
>> have
>> juice.
>>
>> Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your
>> house
>> on the taxiway, no problem.
>>
>> Craig Payne
>> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:55:29 AM PST US
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Brakes failed / air leak
>
> Hi All
>
>
> About a week or 2 back I posted that I developed an air leak which led
> to
> brakes failing. Several people commented, and included advice re
> stripping
> & cleaning the air system, checking shuttle valves, gear actuators etc.
> Herewith some feedback.
>
>
> The fault lay in the shuttle valve at the nose gear actuator. It has
> that
> hard rubber marble inside a t-fitting, at high pressure all was OK,
> but the
> rubber ball had deformed and was out of round so at low pressure it
> would
> not seal, the lower the pressure the MORE it leaked, the higher the
> pressure
> the less or none at all. Simply the high pressure deforming the ball
> to
> form a seal. Popped a new ball in and everything OK. We checked the
> mains
> as well, they had good balls (!) and the system was clean. No gunge or
> yukky stuff inside at all. Other factors: Aerie has 560 hours total
> time
> since new (bought new from aerostar) and well looked after by Russian
> engineer.
>
>
> Regards to all on list from South Africa - have a great new year.
>
>
> Jorgen
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:48:41 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
> From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
>
> I've also had good luck with the winch. I bought the 800lb AC
> "electric hoist"
> from Harbor Freight. Works great and only cost $80. I use a piece of
> rope with
> two loops in it to attach the hook to the tail tie-down.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84655#84655
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:09:25 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
> From: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>
>
> Val,
>
> Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three
> different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and
> they will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800
> 635-5565.
>
> Mike Bell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84666#84666
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:16:26 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>
>
> Craig,
> Agree with the wench working well for a single T hanger. I have my YAK
> housed with 5 others in one of large square hangers so the wench does
> not
> work for us.
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Daniel Fortin <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 12/31/2006 6:55:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>>
>>
>> Back in my medevac pilot days, we had a winch to put the Cheyenne
>> back in
>> the barn. With 6" clearance on each wingtip, the boss didn't want us
>> to
> push
>> it in with the truck. We had the winch pull it an used the tow bar for
> small
>> course corrections. Our winch was AC and we had the control switch on
>> a
> long
>> cord. The same guy could man the switch and tow bar. Works very well.
>>
>> D
>>
>>
>>> From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>>> To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Towbars vs Winches
>>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:44:25 -0500
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping
>>>> for
>>>> 'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
>>>> hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for
>>>> a
>>>> Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be
>>>> either.)
>>>>
>>> Val,
>>>
>>> Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout
> while
>>> being distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but
>>> finding
>>> the parts wasn't easy.
>>>
>>> Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger
> floor,
>>> dead center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still
>>> have
> to
>>> hop the nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is
> slower,
>>> but steady. Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine
>>> is
> from
>>> Harbor Freight and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I
>>> didn't
>>> have power. The charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always
> have
>>> juice.
>>>
>>> Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your
> house
>>> on the taxiway, no problem.
>>>
>>> Craig Payne
>>> cpayne@joimail.com
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:57:05 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
>
>
> Val,
> Exactly the one we use at Wetumpka for the 52's and have used it
> without
> any difficulty with the occassional transient (interloper) CJ! It fits
> the
> nose wheel on the CJ just fine without any adjustments. Wish it would
> work
> with the 50's tailwheel! Contacted the company directly and sent all
> the
> measurements/pictures they requested but they could not make one. The
> tow
> bar could not lift the tail wheel and safely clear the rudder (for a
> reasonable price). Since the 50 is a 1000 lbs lighter than the 52, it
> is
> easier to move around. Besides, I need the exercise anyway.
> Does anyone know if the Russians used a tow bar on the tail wheel of
> the
> 50? Did they do what the rest of us do, simply push it out of the
> hanger by
> the wing and canopy bow. Then with aviable manpower, shove her back in
> again?
> I pull her back in with a dragger tow bar that fits around the tail
> wheel.
> Pushing on the tail wheel with the dragger to shove her out can cause
> the
> tail wheel to overcenter damaging the aft bulkhead. At least that has
> been
> my experience.
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Mike Bell <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 12/31/2006 10:15:51 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
>>
>>
>> Val,
>>
>> Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three
> different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and they
> will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800 635-5565.
>>
>> Mike Bell
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84666#84666
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:23:39 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: dropsy!
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> I just watch the full video of Suddam taking the drop. Was not hard
> to watch
> at all. Drawing and quartering would have been better maybe but this
> will do.
>
> Maybe this is the seamier side of my character which my wife swears
> borders on
> that of a Neanderthal, but in the slow evolution of human kind this is
> the Darwinian
> way of improving the spices. God just made us that way.
>
> Bush is right this will not end the general killing but the bad guys
> are dyeing
> a lot faster than ours. (a GI friend sent me a video clip of some
> Iraqi who
> was about to fire off a RPG. The video was very clear as the rounds
> that him
> were all tracers. Two right though the chest and one though the head)
>
> So my fellow human beings, rejoice in that this coming year we will
> not have to
> hear the babble from him that the press was so eager to report.
>
> Hay Benlouaden! Did you hear they smeared the noose with pig fat?
>
> Well I'm stuck in in ORD with the rain and snow and not able to get on
> a plane
> all day. So much for retirement. Happy New Year Guys and Gals. Now
> lets get
> some flying done!
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:50:09 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Happy new year
> From: mougellionel@aol.com
>
> hi
>
> i wish you an happy new year 2007 from france and nice and fun flights
> for this
> year
>
> fly fun
>
>
> lionel
> ASPAM
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:18:06 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Happy new year
>
> Same to you!
> Happy New Year! You guys are there now! We are 6 h in trail.
> Happy New Year.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: 12/31/2006 4:54:00 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Happy new year
>
>
> hi
>
> i wish you an happy new year 2007 from france and nice and fun flights
> for this
> year
>
> fly fun
>
>
> lionel
> ASPAM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:27:40 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: dropsy!
>
> I'm with you, Pappy! It's that fighter doc with fangs hanging thing!
> Still feel
> we can solve the entire Pursia and Nukes thing by simply giving them a
> ultimatem.
> Give up the nukes or look to the west to Teran at 0200 for your first
> ever
> sunrise in the west! At the sametime your 8 nuke sites will also
> disappear for
> 200 million years! Hope you like glass!
> Anyway,
> Happy New Year! We are winning this thing slowly...unless the
> Demoncrates turn
> tail run.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: 12/31/2006 4:27:52 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: dropsy!
>
>
> I just watch the full video of Suddam taking the drop. Was not hard
> to watch
> at all. Drawing and quartering would have been better maybe but this
> will do.
>
> Maybe this is the seamier side of my character which my wife swears
> borders on
> that of a Neanderthal, but in the slow evolution of human kind this is
> the Darwinian
> way of improving the spices. God just made us that way.
>
> Bush is right this will not end the general killing but the bad guys
> are dyeing
> a lot faster than ours. (a GI friend sent me a video clip of some
> Iraqi who
> was about to fire off a RPG. The video was very clear as the rounds
> that him
> were all tracers. Two right though the chest and one though the head)
>
> So my fellow human beings, rejoice in that this coming year we will
> not have to
> hear the babble from him that the press was so eager to report.
>
> Hay Benlouaden! Did you hear they smeared the noose with pig fat?
>
> Well I'm stuck in in ORD with the rain and snow and not able to get on
> a plane
> all day. So much for retirement. Happy New Year Guys and Gals. Now
> lets get
> some flying done!
>
>
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> 1. 07:20 PM - Interesting for spam can owners.
> (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 2. 09:10 PM - Re: Yak 52 For Sale (Mike Bell)
> 3. 11:35 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
> 4. 11:41 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
> (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:20:56 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Interesting for spam can owners.
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> Thought this would be interesting to us in general.
>
> Subject: Is Marv Nuss at work again
>
>
> Facilities Won=99t Work On Airplanes 18 Years Or Older?
> Aircraft owners in Kansas and parts of the Southwest are worried about
> a pol
> icy adopted by one and possibly two aircraft maintenance providers to
> refuse
> to work on aircraft that are 18 years or older. A customer of Kansas
> City A
> viation Center in Olathe, Kan., who asked not to be identified, told
> AVweb t
> hat officials of KCAC, a Piper dealer, told him they would no longer
> lift a
> wrench on anything beyond that age, including Piper products. He said
> he was
> told by company officials that it=99s an insurance issue. A phone mes
> sage and an e-mail request for an interview left Friday with KCAC=99s
> maintenance supervisor were not returned by our deadline, nor was an
> e-mail
> request for comment from Piper Aircraft. The time span coincides with
> the li
> ability limit that forms the crux of the General Aviation
> Revitalization Act
> of 1994, the legislation credited with revitalizing GA manufacturing.
> In a
> nutshell, the law immunizes aircraft manufacturers and the makers of
> parts a
> nd subcomponents from product liability lawsuits after the aircraft
> reaches
> the age of 18, or 18 years after the installation of the part. In an
> analysi
> s of the law that appeared in AVweb in 2001, lawyer Phillip J.
> Kolczynski wr
> ote that limiting the liability on one party (the manufacturer)
> necessarily
> shifts it to others, and among those are mechanics and the shops where
> they
> work.
> A Trend In The Works?
> After word spread on Web forums about the Kansas situation, at least
> one oth
> er instance of a similar policy was reported in a chain of FBOs that
> operate
> s in the Southwest. The firm, said to be Cutter Aviation on the Malibu
> Mirag
> e Owners and Pilots Association online message board, hasn=99t returne
> d telephone or e-mail message requests for an interview. The Kansas
> pilot we
> did speak with told us his main fear is that the policy will spread
> and cou
> ld result in owners of older aircraft being unable to obtain service
> or repa
> irs while traveling. Meanwhile, Kevin Mead, the owner of a shop in
> Hutchinso
> n, Kan., says he doubts the insurance industry is driving the issue.
> Mead
> =99s shop specializes in Piper Malibus, including extensive modificati
> ons, and he=99s heard nothing from his insurance company about an 18-y
> ear limit. =9CThere=99s been no restriction on our insurance,
> =9D he said. Mead said there are only a few insurance companies that c
> over aircraft maintenance facilities, so he said it=99s likely that if
> one had instituted an 18-year limit that others would at least be
> talking a
> bout it. He also noted that liability still remains a major concern in
> the i
> ndustry.
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> ee AOL Mail and more.
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> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:10:27 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 For Sale
> From: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>
>
> Sold the Yak to Rich Artwohl. It just made an uneventful little
> cross-country from
> California to Illinois. It will be based at Aurora. All you guys,
> especially
> in Chicagoland please welcome Rich to the group.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84938#84938
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:35:42 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
> Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
> following URL:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 11:41:24 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
>
>
> Dear Listers,
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> The
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> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
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> 1. 03:17 AM - YAK52 aileron spades (Jacques Bodart)
> 2. 05:27 AM - Re: Interesting for spam can owners. (Roger Kemp)
> 3. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Towbars vs Winches (Herb Coussons)
> 4. 02:02 PM - Re: YAK52 aileron spades (ADE)
> 5. 02:31 PM - Barry Hancock et al (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 6. 02:41 PM - Re: Barry Hancock et al (Ashley Battles)
> 7. 03:59 PM - Re: Happy new year (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 8. 06:15 PM - Re: Barry Hancock et al (Roger Kemp)
> 9. 08:13 PM - A little Airline Pilot Humor (David McGirt)
> 10. 09:43 PM - rough running engine (Don Milbourn)
> 11. 09:58 PM - Re: rough running engine (L Starace)
> 12. 10:49 PM - All Red Star VI (Barry Hancock)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:17:36 AM PST US
> From: "Jacques Bodart" <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: YAK52 aileron spades
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody know about aileron spades on a YAK52?
>
> I am not speaking off servo tabs like the one fixed on the tips of the
> aileron but of spades similar to the one we find on Pitts or Bellanca
> Decatlon.
> I have seen a YAK52 for sale in the USA with these type of spades
> installed
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Yak flying group in Belgium)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:27:12 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Interesting for spam can owners.
>
> Yes, saw it on AV web yesterday. Interesting, doubt insurance has
> anything to do
> with it. More like they missed something and got bitten by a lawyer
> for it.
> Just a guess though. Liability is more likely the cause of this
> company chosing
> not to take care of GA A/C older than 15 years.
> If this takes off, FAA will have to declare all spam cans
> experimental! That would
> be good and bad. Bad for those that have not got clue what the
> difference
> between a box end and open end wrench is! Nor how to read a tech
> manual.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: 1/1/2007 9:32:58 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Interesting for spam can owners.
>
>
> Thought this would be interesting to us in general.
>
> Subject: Is Marv Nuss at work again
>
>
> Facilities Wont Work On Airplanes 18 Years Or Older?
> Aircraft owners in Kansas and parts of the Southwest are worried about
> a policy
> adopted by one and possibly two aircraft maintenance providers to
> refuse to work
> on aircraft that are 18 years or older. A customer of Kansas City
> Aviation
> Center in Olathe, Kan., who asked not to be identified, told AVweb
> that officials
> of KCAC, a Piper dealer, told him they would no longer lift a wrench
> on anything
> beyond that age, including Piper products. He said he was told by
> company
> officials that its an insurance issue. A phone message and an e-mail
> request
> for an interview left Friday with KCACs maintenance supervisor were
> not returned
> by our deadline, nor was an e-mail request for comment from Piper
> Aircraft.
> The time span coincides with the liability limit that forms the crux
> of the
> General Aviation Revitalization Act of 1994, the legislation credited
> with revitalizing
> GA manufacturing. In a nutshell, the law immunizes aircraft
> manufacturers
> and the makers of parts and subcomponen
> ts from product liability lawsuits after the aircraft reaches the age
> of 18, or
> 18 years after the installation of the part. In an analysis of the law
> that
> appeared in AVweb in 2001, lawyer Phillip J. Kolczynski wrote that
> limiting the
> liability on one party (the manufacturer) necessarily shifts it to
> others, and
> among those are mechanics and the shops where they work.
> A Trend In The Works?
> After word spread on Web forums about the Kansas situation, at least
> one other
> instance of a similar policy was reported in a chain of FBOs that
> operates in
> the Southwest. The firm, said to be Cutter Aviation on the Malibu
> Mirage Owners
> and Pilots Association online message board, hasnt returned telephone
> or e-mail
> message requests for an interview. The Kansas pilot we did speak with
> told
> us his main fear is that the policy will spread and could result in
> owners of
> older aircraft being unable to obtain service or repairs while
> traveling. Meanwhile,
> Kevin Mead, the owner of a shop in Hutchinson, Kan., says he doubts the
> insurance industry is driving the issue. Meads shop specializes in
> Piper Malibus,
> including extensive modifications, and hes heard nothing from his
> insurance
> company about an 18-year limit. Theres been no restriction on our
> insurance,
> he said. Mead said there are only a few insurance companies that cover
> aircraft
> maintenance facilities, so he
> said its likely that if one had instituted an 18-year limit that
> others would
> at least be talking about it. He also noted that liability still
> remains a major
> concern in the industry.
>
>
> l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol" target="_blank">Check
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> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:02:22 PM PST US
> From: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
>
>
> I have also looked at the options everyone has mentioned. I like the
> winch idea as I have had it in a previous hanger - but I cannot put
> one in my existing hanger due to airport nazi reg's.
>
> I did not want to spend the 600-800+ $ on a manufactured tug.
>
> I bought a used lawn tractor out of the paper with no mower deck on
> it then welded up a tailwheel tow bar for the Yak and the Wilga. 200
> $ for the tractor and 2 hours to weld up - I assume other tailwheel
> tow bars are out there (or options for the CJ that could tow from the
> rear - even options that could unload the nose wheel to help steer.
>
> I really like my set up as I am also uphill into the hanger, often
> ice covered and fly alone half the time.
>
> Cheap - works well - I even tow out to the community fuel location
> then leave the tractor - fly - taxi in to the fuel - tow back into
> the hanger. My tractor is STC'd for 100LL and I use about 2-3
> gallons a year is all (with MMO of course)
>
> Herb
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
>>
>> Val,
>> Exactly the one we use at Wetumpka for the 52's and have used it
>> without
>> any difficulty with the occassional transient (interloper) CJ! It
>> fits the
>> nose wheel on the CJ just fine without any adjustments. Wish it
>> would work
>> with the 50's tailwheel! Contacted the company directly and sent
>> all the
>> measurements/pictures they requested but they could not make one.
>> The tow
>> bar could not lift the tail wheel and safely clear the rudder (for a
>> reasonable price). Since the 50 is a 1000 lbs lighter than the 52,
>> it is
>> easier to move around. Besides, I need the exercise anyway.
>> Does anyone know if the Russians used a tow bar on the tail wheel
>> of the
>> 50? Did they do what the rest of us do, simply push it out of the
>> hanger by
>> the wing and canopy bow. Then with aviable manpower, shove her back in
>> again?
>> I pull her back in with a dragger tow bar that fits around the
>> tail wheel.
>> Pushing on the tail wheel with the dragger to shove her out can
>> cause the
>> tail wheel to overcenter damaging the aft bulkhead. At least that
>> has been
>> my experience.
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Mike Bell <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Date: 12/31/2006 10:15:51 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Towbars vs Winches
>>>
>>>
>>> Val,
>>>
>>> Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three
>> different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and
>> they
>> will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800 635-5565.
>>>
>>> Mike Bell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84666#84666
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:02:36 PM PST US
> From: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK52 aileron spades
>
>
> Our Yak 52 has spades which wre installed by Les crowder, if you like I
> can take a couple of pics and send to you---Ade Hale--Tulsa
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 5:16 AM, Jacques Bodart wrote:
>
>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anybody know about aileron spades on a YAK52?
>>
>> I am not speaking off servo tabs like the one fixed on the tips of the
>> aileron but of spades similar to the one we find on Pitts or Bellanca
>> Decatlon.
>> I have seen a YAK52 for sale in the USA with these type of spades
>> installed
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Jacques Bodart(Yak flying group in Belgium)
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:31:34 PM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
> Working on my 2007 Program Letter to the FAA. Have dates been set for
> Desert
> Thunder IV and All Red Star for 2007? Thanks, Blitz
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:41:52 PM PST US
> From: "Ashley Battles" <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
> While we're on the subject of a Program letter, are there any other Yak
> clinic or fly-in dates that haven't been posted on the website
> schedule yet?
>
> Ashley Battles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> ByronMFox@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:25 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
>
> Working on my 2007 Program Letter to the FAA. Have dates been set for
> Desert Thunder IV and All Red Star for 2007? Thanks, Blitz
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:59:42 PM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Happy new year
>
> Happy New Year to you as well, Lionel. Please stay in touch. ...Blitz
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:54 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
> Yes. Red Air III.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Battles
> Sent: 1/2/2007 4:46:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
>
> While we're on the subject of a Program letter, are there any other
> Yak clinic
> or fly-in dates that haven't been posted on the website schedule yet?
>
> Ashley Battles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> ByronMFox@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:25 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Barry Hancock et al
>
>
> Working on my 2007 Program Letter to the FAA. Have dates been set for
> Desert Thunder
> IV and All Red Star for 2007? Thanks, Blitz
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:13:18 PM PST US
> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: A little Airline Pilot Humor
>
> Old school, and damn funny
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KniSmlDr8H8
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> David
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:43:39 PM PST US
> From: "Don Milbourn" <valleyauto@clearwire.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to this yak list, but I have been flying and
> maintaining my Yak for the past two years. For the past several months
> I
> have experienced an intermittent "rough running" engine. At first I
> thought it could be carb-ice, but nope... Then, I thought maybe it
> could
> be the spark plug wires, new plug wires answered that question... nope.
> I still had a rough running engine. It seemed it was more prone to the
> problem in colder air temperatures (40F). It would happen
> intermittently, occasionally it has happened on climb out, but it would
> also happened at cruise and even on the ground, at all throttle
> settings. Generally when it happened at cruise speed, you could feel it
> start to come on, it would start with a slight vibration and then a
> violent vibration that would shake the instrument panel, sometimes with
> a backfire, and then smooth out and run ok until next time. The
> duration
> of the rough running was usually less than 5 seconds, not really long
> enough time to trouble shoot it.... Finely, the other day it did it
> four
> times. I was able to do a mag check this time and it had no change.
> When
> the cyl temp would cool to 160 or so it would mis-fire. If you keep it
> at 190 it was better, but it would still happen. So, if you let the CHT
> cool down to 160, you could count on the chance of "chili" in your
> shorts if you weren't ready for it... Then, I replaced the intake gland
> seals... and no more misfire!!! I have been out several times since
> replacing the Gland Seals, trying to make it mis-fire (allowing the CHT
> down to 160) and it seems the problem has been fixed!! . The gland nuts
> were tight but they would not seal, when they got warm they would seal.
> It runs smoother has better idle . Turns out to be the single cheapest
> thing with the best improvement I have done to my yak
>
> Don Milbourn
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:58:32 PM PST US
> From: "L Starace" <fstarace@sc.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
> Contact Michael Carr! mikeacarr at yahoo.com...he has perfected his
> engine/motor and you'd be impressed! Happy flying to y'all! He's a
> smart man
> with alot of experience due to his investigativeness!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Milbourn
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:47 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to this yak list, but I have been flying and
> maintaining my Yak for the past two years. For the past several months
> I
> have experienced an intermittent "rough running" engine. At first I
> thought
> it could be carb-ice, but nope... Then, I thought maybe it could be the
> spark plug wires, new plug wires answered that question... nope. I
> still had
> a rough running engine. It seemed it was more prone to the problem in
> colder
> air temperatures (40F). It would happen intermittently, occasionally
> it has
> happened on climb out, but it would also happened at cruise and even
> on the
> ground, at all throttle settings. Generally when it happened at cruise
> speed, you could feel it start to come on, it would start with a slight
> vibration and then a violent vibration that would shake the instrument
> panel, sometimes with a backfire, and then smooth out and run ok until
> next
> time. The duration of the rough running was usually less than 5
> seconds, not
> really long enough time to trouble shoot it.... Finely, the other day
> it did
> it four times. I was able to do a mag check this time and it had no
> change.
> When the cyl temp would cool to 160 or so it would mis-fire. If you
> keep it
> at 190 it was better, but it would still happen. So, if you let the
> CHT cool
> down to 160, you could count on the chance of "chili" in your shorts
> if you
> werent ready for it... Then, I replaced the intake gland seals... and
> no
> more misfire!!! I have been out several times since replacing the Gland
> Seals, trying to make it mis-fire (allowing the CHT down to 160) and it
> seems the problem has been fixed!! . The gland nuts were tight but they
> would not seal, when they got warm they would seal. It runs smoother
> has
> better idle . Turns out to be the single cheapest thing with the best
> improvement I have done to my yak
>
> Don Milbourn
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:49:31 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: All Red Star VI
> From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>
> Dear Fellow Red Star Comrades...and Blitz... ;)-
>
> I hope that 2007 is off to a fine start for you. Here in SoCal it's
> been in the 70's and CAVU for the last week....heck, I've even been
> able to fly a time or two! ;)
>
> As we begin to plan our year and submit those pesky program letters,
> I'm pleased to tell you that we have set the dates for ARS VI as May
> 2-6, 2007.
>
> More details to follow, but this year is already shaping up nicely
> with an F-22 test pilot as our guest speaker, and greater involvement
> from the city of Porterville.
>
> If anyone has any interest in being a part of the volunteer team to
> help ARS continue to be the best darned warbird fly-in in the
> country, please contact me directly. We currently have needs in the
> following areas:
>
> -Aircraft judging
> -Auction donations
> -Accounting
> -Ground/Ramp Boss
> -Flight Scheduling
> -Evening events
> -Sponsorship
>
> We've really enjoyed the first 5 years of ARS, and look forward to
> another five! Fly safely, and we'll see you in May!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Event Director
> All Red Star
> (949) 300-5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "A Unique Aviation Experience"
>
>
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> 1. 04:58 AM - Re: rough running engine (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 2. 05:51 AM - Military gear for sale (Cj6sly@cs.com)
> 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Military gear for sale (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 4. 06:30 AM - Jeep M38A1 (Kelley Monroe)
> 5. 06:54 AM - RedStar events (Drew Blahnick)
> 6. 07:35 AM - Re: RedStar events (Roger Kemp)
> 7. 07:54 AM - Re: rough running engine (Don Milbourn)
> 8. 08:05 AM - Re: rough running engine (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 12:25 PM - Re: name tags (Phil Goswick)
> 10. 12:28 PM - name tags (Phil Goswick)
> 11. 12:33 PM - Re: name tags (Ashley Battles)
> 12. 12:36 PM - Re: name tags (Ashley Battles)
> 13. 12:43 PM - Re: name tags (David McGirt)
> 14. 12:46 PM - Re: name tags (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 15. 12:55 PM - Re: name tags (Ashley Battles)
> 16. 12:56 PM - Emailing: Mail0012 (Phil Goswick)
> 17. 12:56 PM - Emailing: Mail0012 (Phil Goswick)
> 18. 01:02 PM - Re: Emailing: Mail0012 (Ashley Battles)
> 19. 02:52 PM - Re: Emailing: Mail0012 (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 20. 03:30 PM - yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits (David McGirt)
> 21. 06:48 PM - Re: name tags (Sarah Tobin)
> 22. 08:02 PM - Re: name tags (john Fischer)
> 23. 08:18 PM - Re: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits (Roger
> Kemp)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:58:34 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
> Good post Don. What condition did you find the intake gland nut rubber
> seals?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Milbourn
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:46 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to this yak list, but I have been flying and
> maintaining my Yak for the past two years. For the past several months
> I
> have experienced an intermittent "rough running" engine. At first I
> thought it could be carb-ice, but nope... Then, I thought maybe it
> could
> be the spark plug wires, new plug wires answered that question... nope.
> I still had a rough running engine. It seemed it was more prone to the
> problem in colder air temperatures (40F). It would happen
> intermittently, occasionally it has happened on climb out, but it would
> also happened at cruise and even on the ground, at all throttle
> settings. Generally when it happened at cruise speed, you could feel it
> start to come on, it would start with a slight vibration and then a
> violent vibration that would shake the instrument panel, sometimes with
> a backfire, and then smooth out and run ok until next time. The
> duration
> of the rough running was usually less than 5 seconds, not really long
> enough time to trouble shoot it.... Finely, the other day it did it
> four
> times. I was able to do a mag check this time and it had no change.
> When
> the cyl temp would cool to 160 or so it would mis-fire. If you keep it
> at 190 it was better, but it would still happen. So, if you let the CHT
> cool down to 160, you could count on the chance of "chili" in your
> shorts if you weren't ready for it... Then, I replaced the intake gland
> seals... and no more misfire!!! I have been out several times since
> replacing the Gland Seals, trying to make it mis-fire (allowing the CHT
> down to 160) and it seems the problem has been fixed!! . The gland nuts
> were tight but they would not seal, when they got warm they would seal.
> It runs smoother has better idle . Turns out to be the single cheapest
> thing with the best improvement I have done to my yak
>
> Don Milbourn
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:51:10 AM PST US
> From: Cj6sly@cs.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Military gear for sale
>
> Yakistas,
>
> I've got some stuff for sale if anyone is interested:
>
> 1 ea.,Green Nomex Flight Suit 42R, worn but in new condition. Still
> has that
> Nomex smell! =$45.00 +Shipping
>
> 2 ea New Air Force Black Flight Boots (never worn, still in boxes),
> size 11
> $30.00 Each + Shipping
>
> 2 ea. New Jungle Boots size 11 (never worn) $25.00 =+ shipping
>
> Contact me off list at cj6sly@cs.com
>
> Skp Slyfield
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:02:38 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Military gear for sale
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/2007 8:53:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Cj6sly@cs.com writes:
>
>
> Gee Sly I've been looking for a left size 11 jungle boot for months.
> I'll
> send you $12.500 for it!
>
>
> Yakistas,
>
> I've got some stuff for sale if anyone is interested:
>
> 1 ea.,Green Nomex Flight Suit 42R, worn but in new condition. Still
> has that
> Nomex smell! =$45.00 +Shipping
>
> 2 ea New Air Force Black Flight Boots (never worn, still in boxes),
> size 11
> $30.00 Each + Shipping
>
> 2 ea. New Jungle Boots size 11 (never worn) $25.00 =+ shipping
>
> Contact me off list at cj6sly@cs.com
>
> Skp Slyfield
>
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:30:02 AM PST US
> From: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Jeep M38A1
>
> I have a M38A1 Jeep for sale. This Jeep has had a complete frame off
> restoration and used to transport warbird pilots at Oshkosh. The last
> to years has been in the American Wings Museum at ANE. If interested
> contact me off list. Thanks Kelley 612-508-3740
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:54:43 AM PST US
> From: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: RedStar events
>
> Pilotos'-
>
> Definately put your fly-ins on the fly-in module of
> www.flyredstar.org if you can, I get all email from
> admin@flyredstar.org and get a lot of "whens that california event",
> "any events in alabama in 2007", "is there anything up in my area...I
> looked online but..."
>
> So it means the system is useful and new members are looking,
>
> thanks,
>
> Drew
>
> Drew A. Blahnick
> RedStar Pilots Association
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:35:56 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RedStar events
>
> Garbled in transmission. Please retransmit.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drew Blahnick
> Sent: 1/3/2007 9:02:23 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: RedStar events
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:54:24 AM PST US
> From: "Don Milbourn" <valleyauto@clearwire.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
> Dennis, they looked old and dry. ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
>
> Good post Don. What condition did you find the intake gland nut
> rubber seals?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Milbourn
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:46 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to this yak list, but I have been flying and
> maintaining my Yak for the past two years. For the past several months
> I
> have experienced an intermittent "rough running" engine. At first I
> thought it could be carb-ice, but nope... Then, I thought maybe it
> could
> be the spark plug wires, new plug wires answered that question... nope.
> I still had a rough running engine. It seemed it was more prone to the
> problem in colder air temperatures (40F). It would happen
> intermittently, occasionally it has happened on climb out, but it would
> also happened at cruise and even on the ground, at all throttle
> settings. Generally when it happened at cruise speed, you could feel it
> start to come on, it would start with a slight vibration and then a
> violent vibration that would shake the instrument panel, sometimes with
> a backfire, and then smooth out and run ok until next time. The
> duration
> of the rough running was usually less than 5 seconds, not really long
> enough time to trouble shoot it.... Finely, the other day it did it
> four
> times. I was able to do a mag check this time and it had no change.
> When
> the cyl temp would cool to 160 or so it would mis-fire. If you keep it
> at 190 it was better, but it would still happen. So, if you let the CHT
> cool down to 160, you could count on the chance of "chili" in your
> shorts if you weren't ready for it... Then, I replaced the intake gland
> seals... and no more misfire!!! I have been out several times since
> replacing the Gland Seals, trying to make it mis-fire (allowing the CHT
> down to 160) and it seems the problem has been fixed!! . The gland nuts
> were tight but they would not seal, when they got warm they would seal.
> It runs smoother has better idle . Turns out to be the single cheapest
> thing with the best improvement I have done to my yak
>
> Don Milbourn
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics
> .com/Navigator?Yak-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:05:23 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
> I know this question is after the fact, but when you felt the vibration
> did you happen to see any change in the manifold pressure?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Milbourn
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough running engine
>
>
> Dennis, they looked old and dry. ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: rough =ashBack] running engine
>
>
> Good post Don. What condition did you find the intake gland nut
> rubber seals?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Milbourn
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:46 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: rough =ashBack] running engine
>
>
> Hi everyone, I am new to this yak list, but I have been flying
> and
> maintaining my Yak for the past two years. For the past several months
> I
> have experienced an intermittent "rough running" engine. At first I
> thought it could be carb-ice, but nope... Then, I thought maybe it
> could
> be the spark plug wires, new plug wires answered that question... nope.
> I still had a rough running engine. It seemed it was more prone to the
> problem in colder air temperatures (40F). It would happen
> intermittently, occasionally it has happened on climb out, but it would
> also happened at cruise and even on the ground, at all throttle
> settings. Generally when it happened at cruise speed, you could feel it
> start to come on, it would start with a slight vibration and then a
> violent vibration that would shake the instrument panel, sometimes with
> a backfire, and then smooth out and run ok until next time. The
> duration
> of the rough running was usually less than 5 seconds, not really long
> enough time to trouble shoot it.... Finely, the other day it did it
> four
> times. I was able to do a mag check this time and it had no change.
> When
> the cyl temp would cool to 160 or so it would mis-fire. If you keep it
> at 190 it was better, but it would still happen. So, if you let the CHT
> cool down to 160, you could count on the chance of "chili" in your
> shorts if you weren't ready for it... Then, I replaced the intake gland
> seals... and no more misfire!!! I have been out several times since
> replacing the Gland Seals, trying to make it mis-fire (allowing the CHT
> down to 160) and it seems the problem has been fixed!! . The gland nuts
> were tight but they would not seal, when they got warm they would seal.
> It runs smoother has better idle . Turns out to be the single cheapest
> thing with the best improvement I have done to my yak
>
> Don Milbourn
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronhre
> f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics
> .com/Navigator?Yak-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:25:35 PM PST US
> From: "Phil Goswick" <p.goswick@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: name tags
>
> recently there was a post showing a name tag with the red star and the
> Yak wings. Does any one know where these came from so I may order some
> Phil
> Yak 52
> Tulsa, Ok
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:28:50 PM PST US
> From: "Phil Goswick" <p.goswick@cox.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: name tags
>
> does any one know where the name tags with the red star and yak wings
> came from. I would like to order some.
> Phil
> Yak 52
> Tulsa, Ok
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:33:27 PM PST US
> From: "Ashley Battles" <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> Phil,
> Try these links. If they don't work, go to www.nametags4u.com. The
> actual
> Russian wings are under the International link. The RPA wings are
> under the
> Misc. link.
>
> Yak wings
> http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT&cat=nations
>
> RedStar wings
> http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT&cat=misc
>
> Miss flying with you guys!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Goswick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> does any one know where the name tags with the red star and yak
> wings came
> from. I would like to order some.
> Phil
> Yak 52
> Tulsa, Ok
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:36:24 PM PST US
> From: "Ashley Battles" <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
> And don't be fooled by the first set of wings you come to that say
> "Navy
> wings with Red Star". Keep scrolling down and there is a set of silver
> wings that says "RedStar Pilots Association wings"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Goswick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> does any one know where the name tags with the red star and yak
> wings came
> from. I would like to order some.
> Phil
> Yak 52
> Tulsa, Ok
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:43:44 PM PST US
> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
> In case you are the naval type..
>
>
> http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/lwwlist.cgi?pm=VB
> <http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/lwwlist.cgi?pm=VB&img=misc_soviet>
> &img=misc_soviet
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Battles
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> Phil,
>
> Try these links. If they don't work, go to www.nametags4u.com. The
> actual
> Russian wings are under the International link. The RPA wings are
> under the
> Misc. link.
>
>
> Yak wings
>
> <http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT&cat=nations>
> http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT&cat=nations
>
>
> RedStar wings
>
> http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT
> <http://www.nametags4u.com/cgi-bin/wwlist.cgi?pm=LISTCAT&cat=misc>
> &cat=misc
>
>
> Miss flying with you guys!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Goswick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:28 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: name tags
>
> does any one know where the name tags with the red star and yak wings
> came
> from. I would like to order some.
>
> Phil
>
> Yak 52
>
> Tulsa, Ok
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/
> Navigator?Yak-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:46:10 PM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/07 12:27:10 PM, p.goswick@cox.net writes:
>
>
>>
>> recently there was a post showing a name tag with the red star and
>> the Yak
>
>> wings.- Does any one know where these came from so I may order some
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>
> While Ashley has correctly directed you to RPA specific wings at
> Williams &
> Williams, Phil, I do recall someone weeks ago asking about Yak 52
> specific
> wings. If we can locate the art work, Williams & Williams will
> duplicate it,
> and
> put the wings on their web site just as they did with our RPA wings.
> Please
> let
> me know if you succeed in locating the art.
>
> Blitz
>
> Byron M Fox
> The RPA Store
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405 Cell Days
> 415-380-0907 Home Eves
> http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:55:28 PM PST US
> From: "Ashley Battles" <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
> http://www.yakclub.com/images/shop/namebadge.gif
>
> Is this the artwork for the Yak specific wings you are talking about
> Blitz?
> Can you tell I already had all this stuff bookmarked! This would be
> cool to
> have Williams & Williams duplicate. Do you have contact info for them
> to
> send it to them?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> ByronMFox@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/07 12:27:10 PM, p.goswick@cox.net writes:
>
>
> recently there was a post showing a name tag with the red star and
> the
> Yak wings. Does any one know where these came from so I may order some
>
> Phil
>
>
> While Ashley has correctly directed you to RPA specific wings at
> Williams
> & Williams, Phil, I do recall someone weeks ago asking about Yak 52
> specific
> wings. If we can locate the art work, Williams & Williams will
> duplicate it,
> and put the wings on their web site just as they did with our RPA
> wings.
> Please let me know if you succeed in locating the art.
>
> Blitz
>
> Byron M Fox
> The RPA Store
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405 Cell Days
> 415-380-0907 Home Eves
> http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:16 PM PST US
> From: "Phil Goswick" <p.goswick@cox.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: Mail0012
>
> this is the name tag that I saw and would like to purchase
> Phil
> Tulsa
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:50 PM PST US
> From: "Phil Goswick" <p.goswick@cox.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: Mail0012
>
> this is the name tag that I saw and would like to purchase
> Phil
> Tulsa
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:02:27 PM PST US
> From: "Ashley Battles" <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: Mail0012
>
> http://www.yakclub.com/images/shop/namebadge.gif
>
> I don't think there is anyplace to purchase this one yet...but if Blitz
> knows how to get some artwork to Williams & Williams, they could make
> it for
> us...no telling what the time frame would be though
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Goswick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:56 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: Mail0012
>
>
> this is the name tag that I saw and would like to purchase
> Phil
> Tulsa
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:52:44 PM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: Mail0012
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/07 1:05:09 PM, ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com
> writes:
>
>
>>
>> http://www.yakclub.com/images/shop/namebadge.gif
>>
>> -
>>
>> I don't think there is anyplace to purchase this one yet...but if
>> Blitz
>> knows how to get some artwork to Williams & Williams, they could make
>> it f
> or
>> us...no telling what the time frame would be though
>>
>>
> There's an 800 number at the bottom of Williams & Williams home page.
> I
> called that number when arranging for the RPA wings to be put on their
> site.
>
> The fellow, who's name I can't recall, was very helpful. ...Blitz
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:30:26 PM PST US
> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
> Anyone happen to have some rebuild/seal kits on the shelf? Jill is out
> playing like they have a life on vacation, and I need to get these
> sooner
> than later. Email me off list if you like - thanks all
>
>
> David
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:48:19 PM PST US
> From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
> I wrote to several name tag companies and they said they could do it
> for me for
> 12 bucks for 1 or 2, can't remember, but if I order more that ten
> orders, it's
> only 10 bucks, but not sure about the shipping aspect of that, but
> maybe you
> could send it to one of your Red Star gatherings.
>
> Smash
>
> Ashley Battles <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com> wrote:
> http://www.yakclub.com/images/shop/namebadge.gif
>
> Is this the artwork for the Yak specific wings you are talking about
> Blitz?
> Can you tell I already had all this stuff bookmarked! This would be
> cool to have
> Williams & Williams duplicate. Do you have contact info for them to
> send
> it to them?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> ByronMFox@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/07 12:27:10 PM, p.goswick@cox.net writes:
>
>
> recently there was a post showing a name tag with the red star and the
> Yak wings.
> Does any one know where these came from so I may order some
>
> Phil
>
>
> While Ashley has correctly directed you to RPA specific wings at
> Williams & Williams,
> Phil, I do recall someone weeks ago asking about Yak 52 specific wings.
> If we can locate the art work, Williams & Williams will duplicate it,
> and put
> the wings on their web site just as they did with our RPA wings.
> Please let me
> know if you succeed in locating the art.
>
> Blitz
>
> Byron M Fox
> The RPA Store
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405 Cell Days
> 415-380-0907 Home Eves
> http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:02:23 PM PST US
> From: "john Fischer" <fish@aviation-tech.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: name tags
>
>
> Group,
>
> After Sara asked the last time, I went to my local embroidery shop and
> had the
> design work done to make the name tags. I have not had a chance to get
> back
> and pick up the sample I had made.
>
> I will pick it up tomorrow and post digital photos for the group. I
> can sell
> them for $10.00 ea, with no min purchase.
>
> Thats about $1.50 for my time to drop off the order and ship for each
> purchase.
>
>
> Thanks
> John fischer
> California City, CA
> Cell (818) 257-0911
>
>
>>
>> I wrote to several name tag companies and they said they could do it
>> for me
> for 12 bucks for 1 or 2, can't remember, but if I order more that ten
> orders,
> it's only 10 bucks, but not sure about the shipping aspect of that,
> but maybe
> you could send it to one of your Red Star gatherings.
>>
>> Smash
>>
>> Ashley Battles <ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com> wrote:
>> http://www.yakclub.com/images/shop/namebadge.gif
>>
>> Is this the artwork for the Yak specific wings you are talking about
>> Blitz?
> Can you tell I already had all this stuff bookmarked! This would be
> cool to
> have Williams & Williams duplicate. Do you have contact info for them
> to send
> it to them?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:46 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: name tags
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/3/07 12:27:10 PM, p.goswick@cox.net writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> recently there was a post showing a name tag with the red star and
>> the Yak
> wings. Does any one know where these came from so I may order some
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> While Ashley has correctly directed you to RPA specific wings at
>> Williams &
> Williams, Phil, I do recall someone weeks ago asking about Yak 52
> specific wings.
> If we can locate the art work, Williams & Williams will duplicate it,
> and put
> the wings on their web site just as they did with our RPA wings.
> Please let
> me know if you succeed in locating the art.
>>
>> Blitz
>>
>> Byron M Fox
>> The RPA Store
>> 80 Milland Drive
>> Mill Valley, CA 94941
>> 415-307-2405 Cell Days
>> 415-380-0907 Home Eves
>> http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:18:09 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
> Talon,
> Have you talked to Dennis? He usually keeps a few spares around. I
> have a strut
> seal kits for the 50. But you need the actuator seal kits correct?
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David McGirt
> Sent: 1/3/2007 5:35:58 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
>
> Anyone happen to have some rebuild/seal kits on the shelf? Jill is
> out playing
> like they have a life on vacation, and I need to get these sooner than
> later.
> Email me off list if you like thanks all
>
> David
>
>
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> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak Nametags
> From: "dochoc" <nicholas.hockley@btinternet.com>
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>
> Hi John
>
> Look good.Can you send out to the UK?
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> 1. 01:27 PM - Taxes and owning an airplane... (Tim Gagnon)
> 2. 05:57 PM - form (ronald wasson)
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> Time: 01:27:49 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Taxes and owning an airplane...
> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
>
> Ok, I am not seeking specific tax advice but I figure more than one or
> two of you
> have written off some cost related to your airplane. I was asked and
> attended
> a few airshows in 2006. I am not looking for the IRA to give me rectal
> probe
> looking for leaks, but I am interested in writing off some airplane
> cost. I
> plan on attending more shows this year and doing some flying in them.
> I know someone
> who does shows in his airplane and enjoys some tax relief by doing so.
>
>
> So, based on those who do write some cost off, can you pass along some
> info? How,
> record keeping and so on. Pitfalls, flags..that would help too!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Happy New Year! Good and safe flying to you all!
>
>
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>
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Doug, ( or anyone else.. )
Did you find out if these guys could overhaul a tank? Mine has some rust
on the inside, and I am looking for someone to clean, and hydro it for me..
David
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LawnDart
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air tanks
This place will inspect and pressure test. Not sure about overhaul.
TYM's INC.
414 West Arbor Vitae St.
Inglewood, CA 90301
Phone 213-678-3330 or 310-673-3330
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Doug Sapp, please contact me offline, looking two aquire a CJ-6 towbar. I
have had no luck with contact on your e-mail.
Thanks,
Pete
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> 1. 01:21 AM - Re: Nametags (Buzzard Aviation)
> 2. 03:09 AM - Re: That badge/nametag (Buzzard Aviation)
> 3. 09:18 AM - Re: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits (David
> McGirt)
> 4. 09:42 AM - Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story (N13472@aol.com)
> 5. 09:42 AM - Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story (N13472@aol.com)
> 6. 09:52 AM - Stuff FS:Clearing out hangar clutter (Patrick
> Scofield)
> 7. 10:51 AM - Re: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story (Roger Kemp)
> 8. 12:15 PM - Dennis Savarese (Jim Selby)
> 9. 02:48 PM - Re: Yak Nametags (john Fischer)
>
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> Time: 01:21:53 AM PST US
> From: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nametags
>
>
> At 20:55 03/01/2007, Phil Goswick wrote:
>
>> this is the name tag that I saw and would like to purchase
>> Phil
>> Tulsa
>
> If you guys hang in there with me I'll phone Jez this morning and
> find out where he got them done.
>
>
> Happy Landings
> ____|____
> \O/
> o'o Martin Robinson
>
> Yak 18T HA-YAV
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Time: 03:09:17 AM PST US
> From: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: That badge/nametag
>
>
> beAt 20:55 03/01/2007, Phil Goswick wrote:
>
>> this is the name tag that I saw and would like to purchase
>> Phil
>> Tulsa
>
> I have now spoken to Jez. It is their own design done for Yakovlevs
> display team but the badges are available at
> http://www.yakovlevs.com/shop.asp?p=shop
>
> Scroll down to Yak Name Badge. Jez said to sure to say if you need
> velcro which is 1 UKP extra. Postage is relatively high so it may be
> worth all you US guys doing one order for the lot and then
> redistributing from one location there? Sorry the dollar/pound rate
> isn't so hot at the moment. For you anyway:-)
>
> Good Luck
>
> Happy Landings
> ____|____
> \O/
> o'o Martin Robinson
>
> Yak 18T HA-YAV
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:18:24 AM PST US
> From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
> That's correct, talking to him today
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:26 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
>
> Talon,
>
> Have you talked to Dennis? He usually keeps a few spares around. I
> have a
> strut seal kits for the 50. But you need the actuator seal kits
> correct?
>
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
>
>
> Sent: 1/3/2007 5:35:58 PM
>
> Subject: Yak-List: yak52 gear & flap rebuild/seal kits
>
>
> Anyone happen to have some rebuild/seal kits on the shelf? Jill is out
> playing like they have a life on vacation, and I need to get these
> sooner
> than later. Email me off list if you like thanks all
>
>
> David
>
> <>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:42:12 AM PST US
> From: N13472@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
> To all what is the general feeling about these changes at Sun n Fun.
>
>
> Published Thursday, December 28, 2006
>
> Sun 'n Fun Crowd to Get an Up-Close Look
>
> By _Rick Rousos_
> (javascript:NewWindow(376,130,'/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?
> ID=ricrou&category=STAFF');)
>
>
> The Ledger
>
> LAKELAND - The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In experience will improve immeasurably
> when
> the Fly-In opens its flight line in April, at no extra charge, to all
> of its
> customers. The flight line features the most enticing attractions.
>
> The majestic warbirds, mostly fighter planes that date back as far as
> World
> War I, have always been one of Sun 'n Fun's most popular exhibits.
>
> The warbird area will be open to the general public, along with
> "Choppertown," the vintage aircraft area and the experimental, or
> homebuilt, area.
> The
> change will allow people to get closer to planes on the runway. And
> because
> pilots tend to hang out by their planes, there will be much more
> interaction
> between customers and pilots.
>
> Opening the flight line was obviously a business decision for Sun 'n
> Fun.
> But Sun 'n Fun President John Burton said it was also a common-sense
> decision.
>
> "Our mission is to expose aviation to the general public,"
> particularly
> children, Burton said. "This was the way to do it."
>
> Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of operations, put it another way.
> "If
> doing this attracts just one child to a career in aviation, then it's
> worth
> it," he said.
>
> At past Fly-Ins, only visitors who were members of the extended
> aviation
> family or the Florida Air Museum on the Sun 'n Fun campus were given
> special
> armbands that served as admission through the gates at the flight
> line, which
>
> were watched by security guards.
>
> Or, members of the general public could take a tractor-powered tram
> tour of
> the flight line for $3. But the tram doesn't get people as close to
> the
> powered-off airplanes.
>
> The areas always open to the general public included workshops,
> ultralights,
> aviation concessions, the food court and a good, if not great, view
> of the
> daily air show.
>
> One of the biggest gripes of people was that they couldn't get near
> the
> flight line, with the complaints going something like this: "I'm
> paying all this
>
> money and don't get to see the whole place."
>
> A general admission ticket in recent years has gone for $30, $25 with
> an
> Experimental Aircraft Association or Air Museum membership. Burton
> said ticket
>
> prices this year won't be raised. He said there will be another
> incentive to
> attract local residents to the 2007 Fly-In, but details haven't been
> finalized.
>
> There are a number of reasons Sun 'n Fun had maintained a policy that
> kept
> the general public at a distance. The first is safety and the second
> is "the
> belt buckle factor."
>
> Burton said the safety concern of bigger crowds on the flight line
> has been
> about the well-being of the public, the pilots and the airplanes.
>
> "But we've got about 200 volunteers on the flight line," Burton said.
> He
> said those workers will be instructed to keep customers out of danger
> and from
>
> getting too close to the airplanes.
>
> That's where the belt buckle factor, sometimes known as the suspender
> factor, comes in. Cockpits in airplanes can be very cool, but quite
> high off the
>
> ground, and people want to see them. So they climb up on the plane,
> Burton
> said, and scratch it with their belt buckle.
>
> The 2007 Fly-In is April 17-23.
>
> Rick Rousos can be reached at _rick.rousos@theledger.com_
> (mailto:rick.rousos@theledger.com) or 863-802-7516.
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:42:12 AM PST US
> From: N13472@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
> To all what is the general feeling about these changes at Sun n Fun.
>
>
> Published Thursday, December 28, 2006
>
> Sun 'n Fun Crowd to Get an Up-Close Look
>
> By _Rick Rousos_
> (javascript:NewWindow(376,130,'/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?
> ID=ricrou&category=STAFF');)
>
>
> The Ledger
>
> LAKELAND - The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In experience will improve immeasurably
> when
> the Fly-In opens its flight line in April, at no extra charge, to all
> of its
> customers. The flight line features the most enticing attractions.
>
> The majestic warbirds, mostly fighter planes that date back as far as
> World
> War I, have always been one of Sun 'n Fun's most popular exhibits.
>
> The warbird area will be open to the general public, along with
> "Choppertown," the vintage aircraft area and the experimental, or
> homebuilt, area.
> The
> change will allow people to get closer to planes on the runway. And
> because
> pilots tend to hang out by their planes, there will be much more
> interaction
> between customers and pilots.
>
> Opening the flight line was obviously a business decision for Sun 'n
> Fun.
> But Sun 'n Fun President John Burton said it was also a common-sense
> decision.
>
> "Our mission is to expose aviation to the general public,"
> particularly
> children, Burton said. "This was the way to do it."
>
> Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of operations, put it another way.
> "If
> doing this attracts just one child to a career in aviation, then it's
> worth
> it," he said.
>
> At past Fly-Ins, only visitors who were members of the extended
> aviation
> family or the Florida Air Museum on the Sun 'n Fun campus were given
> special
> armbands that served as admission through the gates at the flight
> line, which
>
> were watched by security guards.
>
> Or, members of the general public could take a tractor-powered tram
> tour of
> the flight line for $3. But the tram doesn't get people as close to
> the
> powered-off airplanes.
>
> The areas always open to the general public included workshops,
> ultralights,
> aviation concessions, the food court and a good, if not great, view
> of the
> daily air show.
>
> One of the biggest gripes of people was that they couldn't get near
> the
> flight line, with the complaints going something like this: "I'm
> paying all this
>
> money and don't get to see the whole place."
>
> A general admission ticket in recent years has gone for $30, $25 with
> an
> Experimental Aircraft Association or Air Museum membership. Burton
> said ticket
>
> prices this year won't be raised. He said there will be another
> incentive to
> attract local residents to the 2007 Fly-In, but details haven't been
> finalized.
>
> There are a number of reasons Sun 'n Fun had maintained a policy that
> kept
> the general public at a distance. The first is safety and the second
> is "the
> belt buckle factor."
>
> Burton said the safety concern of bigger crowds on the flight line
> has been
> about the well-being of the public, the pilots and the airplanes.
>
> "But we've got about 200 volunteers on the flight line," Burton said.
> He
> said those workers will be instructed to keep customers out of danger
> and from
>
> getting too close to the airplanes.
>
> That's where the belt buckle factor, sometimes known as the suspender
> factor, comes in. Cockpits in airplanes can be very cool, but quite
> high off the
>
> ground, and people want to see them. So they climb up on the plane,
> Burton
> said, and scratch it with their belt buckle.
>
> The 2007 Fly-In is April 17-23.
>
> Rick Rousos can be reached at _rick.rousos@theledger.com_
> (mailto:rick.rousos@theledger.com) or 863-802-7516.
>
> Please create an account or login to read this story
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> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6 NX63727
> Sandy Valley NV
> 3L2
> 702-723-1223
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:52:35 AM PST US
> From: Patrick Scofield <PATRICK@DESIGNWORX.COM>
> Subject: Yak-List: Stuff FS:Clearing out hangar clutter
>
> Gents,
>
> I am clearing out some clutter in my hangar (too much stuff) and I
> have the following available for the CJ-6/Yak-52, I will send the
> prop and the compressor to a Starman Auction if the don't sell here.
>
> These items were removed from my a/c when I did an M-14 mod a few
> years ago:
>
> - One stock JS-9 propellor and crate with log (removed airworthy)
> - Set of stock exhaust headers
> - one set of gill shutters and axles
> - one inner gill shutter ring
> - M14P generator (formerly in Yak-52)
> - 3000 PSI High Pressure air compressor - a pickled military unit
> that comes as a tiny trailer.. pretty slick. I got it to pressurize
> the air system but haven't yet un-pickled it. It will fill a large
> air bottle as it uses a four cylinder gas engine to run it. If
> interested I will send pics.
>
> Make a sensible offer for any or all.
>
> Thanks
>
> Patrick Scofield
> 480-227-4125
>
> CJ-6 N4184W
> L-39ZA N399ZA
>
> patrick@designworx.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:51:45 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
> Well, that's special. Will they feel as open hearted after a
> "customer" FOD's a
> cockpit or the cute little 3 year "future in aviation" tears away from
> Momma's
> arms and races into a prop? Yes sir, one of those 200 volunteers will
> be there
> to catch them.
> Set up a static display area but still cordon off the aircraft so
> those pilots
> that do not want people climbing over their planes even though they
> parked in
> the static display area.
> I personally always enjoy shooing off the little body buiders that
> like to try
> to do chinups on my Pitot tube! Not to forget the syrupy ice cone that
> was dropped
> by Jr. on the taxiway by one of the customers allowed to wonder the
> flightline
> a recient airshow/fly-in I attended. I was thrill to find the purple
> and
> red goo under my belly after taxiing over melting pool. Of course
> there was also
> the couple that had to move out from under my wing serving as a shade
> tree
> for them so I could participate in the flyby. Guess they were not to
> happy either
> when they moved their lawn chairs to rear of the airplane directly
> into
> the prop blast when the engine started. They were warned by the
> "volunteers" though.
>
> I know, "Doc, your are being so "customer" unfriendly." Well it is my
> liablity
> insurance that will looked at by the lawyers looking for those with
> "deep pockets"
> when someone gets hurt by my airplane too.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: 1/4/2007 11:55:50 AM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
>
> To all what is the general feeling about these changes at Sun n Fun.
>
>
> Published Thursday, December 28, 2006
>
> Sun 'n Fun Crowd to Get an Up-Close Look
>
> By Rick Rousos
> The Ledger
>
>
> LAKELAND - The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In experience will improve immeasurably
> when the
> Fly-In opens its flight line in April, at no extra charge, to all of
> its customers.
> The flight line features the most enticing attractions.
>
> The majestic warbirds, mostly fighter planes that date back as far as
> World War
> I, have always been one of Sun 'n Fun's most popular exhibits.
>
> The warbird area will be open to the general public, along with
> "Choppertown,"
> the vintage aircraft area and the experimental, or homebuilt, area.
> The change
> will allow people to get closer to planes on the runway. And because
> pilots tend
> to hang out by their planes, there will be much more interaction
> between customers
> and pilots.
>
> Opening the flight line was obviously a business decision for Sun 'n
> Fun. But Sun
> 'n Fun President John Burton said it was also a common-sense decision.
>
> "Our mission is to expose aviation to the general public,"
> particularly children,
> Burton said. "This was the way to do it."
>
> Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of operations, put it another way.
> "If doing
> this attracts just one child to a career in aviation, then it's worth
> it," he
> said.
>
> At past Fly-Ins, only visitors who were members of the extended
> aviation family
> or the Florida Air Museum on the Sun 'n Fun campus were given special
> armbands
> that served as admission through the gates at the flight line, which
> were watched
> by security guards.
>
> Or, members of the general public could take a tractor-powered tram
> tour of the
> flight line for $3. But the tram doesn't get people as close to the
> powered-off
> airplanes.
>
> The areas always open to the general public included workshops,
> ultralights, aviation
> concessions, the food court and a good, if not great, view of the daily
> air show.
>
> One of the biggest gripes of people was that they couldn't get near
> the flight
> line, with the complaints going something like this: "I'm paying all
> this money
> and don't get to see the whole place."
>
> A general admission ticket in recent years has gone for $30, $25 with
> an Experimental
> Aircraft Association or Air Museum membership. Burton said ticket
> prices
> this year won't be raised. He said there will be another incentive to
> attract
> local residents to the 2007 Fly-In, but details haven't been finalized.
>
> There are a number of reasons Sun 'n Fun had maintained a policy that
> kept the
> general public at a distance. The first is safety and the second is
> "the belt
> buckle factor."
>
> Burton said the safety concern of bigger crowds on the flight line has
> been about
> the well-being of the public, the pilots and the airplanes.
>
> "But we've got about 200 volunteers on the flight line," Burton said.
> He said those
> workers will be instructed to keep customers out of danger and from
> getting
> too close to the airplanes.
>
> That's where the belt buckle factor, sometimes known as the suspender
> factor, comes
> in. Cockpits in airplanes can be very cool, but quite high off the
> ground,
> and people want to see them. So they climb up on the plane, Burton
> said, and
> scratch it with their belt buckle.
>
> The 2007 Fly-In is April 17-23.
>
> Rick Rousos can be reached at rick.rousos@theledger.com or
> 863-802-7516.
>
> Please create an account or login to read this story
> CREATE AN ACCOUNT
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>
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> Sandy Valley NV
> 3L2
> 702-723-1223
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:15:21 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Dennis Savarese
>
> Hello,
> Can someone please e-mail me Dennis Savarese's phone number please??
> Thank you,
>
> Best Regards
> Jim Selby
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Kemp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
>
> Well, that's special. Will they feel as open hearted after a
> "customer" FOD's a cockpit or the cute little 3 year "future in
> aviation" tears away from Momma's arms and races into a prop? Yes sir,
> one of those 200 volunteers will be there to catch them.
> Set up a static display area but still cordon off the aircraft so
> those pilots that do not want people climbing over their planes even
> though they parked in the static display area.
> I personally always enjoy shooing off the little body buiders that
> like to try to do chinups on my Pitot tube! Not to forget the syrupy
> ice
> cone that was dropped by Jr. on the taxiway by one of the customers
> allowed to wonder the flightline a recient airshow/fly-in I attended. I
> was thrill to find the purple and red goo under my belly after taxiing
> over melting pool. Of course there was also the couple that had to move
> out from under my wing serving as a shade tree for them so I could
> participate in the flyby. Guess they were not to happy either when they
> moved their lawn chairs to rear of the airplane directly into the prop
> blast when the engine started. They were warned by the "volunteers"
> though.
> I know, "Doc, your are being so "customer" unfriendly." Well it is my
> liablity insurance that will looked at by the lawyers looking for those
> with "deep pockets" when someone gets hurt by my airplane too.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: yak-list@matronics.com;yak-list-digest@matronics.com
> Sent: 1/4/2007 11:55:50 AM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: Lakeland Fl. Newspaper story
>
>
> To all what is the general feeling about these changes at Sun n
> Fun.
>
>
> Published Thursday, December 28, 2006
>
> Sun 'n Fun Crowd to Get an Up-Close Look
>
> By Rick Rousos
> The Ledger
>
>
> LAKELAND - The Sun 'n Fun Fly-In experience will improve
> immeasurably when the Fly-In opens its flight line in April, at no
> extra
> charge, to all of its customers. The flight line features the most
> enticing attractions.
>
> The majestic warbirds, mostly fighter planes that date back as far
> as World War I, have always been one of Sun 'n Fun's most popular
> exhibits.
>
> The warbird area will be open to the general public, along with
> "Choppertown," the vintage aircraft area and the experimental, or
> homebuilt, area. The change will allow people to get closer to planes
> on
> the runway. And because pilots tend to hang out by their planes, there
> will be much more interaction between customers and pilots.
>
> Opening the flight line was obviously a business decision for Sun
> 'n
> Fun. But Sun 'n Fun President John Burton said it was also a
> common-sense decision.
>
> "Our mission is to expose aviation to the general public," p
> articularly children, Burton said. "This was the way to do it."
>
> Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of operations, put it another
> way. "If doing this attracts just one child to a career in aviation,
> then it's worth it," he said.
>
> At past Fly-Ins, only visitors who were members of the extended
> aviation family or the Florida Air Museum on the Sun 'n Fun campus were
> given special armbands that served as admission through the gates at
> the
> flight line, which were watched by security guards.
>
> Or, members of the general public could take a tractor-powered tram
> tour of the flight line for $3. But the tram doesn't get people as
> close
> to the powered-off airplanes.
>
> The areas always open to the general public included workshops,
> ultralights, aviation concessions, the food court and a good, if not
> great, view of the daily air show.
>
> One of the biggest gripes of people was that they couldn't get near
> the flight line, with the complaints going something like this: "I'm
> paying all this money and don't get to see the whole place."
>
> A general admission ticket in recent years has gone for $30, $25
> with an Experimental Aircraft Association or Air Museum membership.
> Burton said ticket prices this year won't be raised. He said there will
> be another incentive to attract local residents to the 2007 Fly-In, but
> details haven't been finalized.
>
> There are a number of reasons Sun 'n Fun had maintained a policy
> that kept the general public at a distance. The first is safety and the
> second is "the belt buckle factor."
>
> Burton said the safety concern of bigger crowds on the flight line
> has been about the well-being of the public, the pilots and the
> airplanes.
>
> "But we've got about 200 volunteers on the flight line," Burton
> said. He said those workers will be instructed to keep customers out of
> danger and from getting too close to the airplanes.
>
> That's where the belt buckle factor, sometimes known as the
> suspender factor, comes in. Cockpits in airplanes can be very cool, but
> quite high off the ground, and people want to see them. So they climb
> up
> on the plane, Burton said, and scratch it with their belt buckle.
>
> The 2007 Fly-In is April 17-23.
>
> Rick Rousos can be reached at rick.rousos@theledger.com or
> 863-802-7516.
>
> Please create an account or login to read this story
> CREATE AN ACCOUNT
>
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> ALREADY A MEMBER? LOGIN NOW.
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>
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6 NX63727
> Sandy Valley NV
> 3L2
> 702-723-1223
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:48:29 PM PST US
> From: "john Fischer" <fish@aviation-tech.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Nametags
>
> Group,
>
> I picked up my Yak Nametag today, and here is a digial photo.
>
> The cost will be $10.00 ea + Shipping (Approx $1.00). I accept cash,
> Check or
> Paypal (no credit cards). There will approx a 7 day lead for me to
> mail out
> the name tags.
>
> Thank YOU
> John Fischer
> P.O. B ox 2294
> California City, CA 93504
> Cell (818) 257-0911
>
>
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