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1. 02:48 AM - Re: Propeller (Steve & Donna Hanshew)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Colored Smoke (Ashley Battles)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Colored Smoke (David McGirt)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: Smoke Systems (Jeff Linebaugh)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Roger Kemp)
6. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Stephen Fox)
7. 08:26 AM - New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Craig Schneider)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (David McGirt)
9. 08:36 AM - Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Jim Selby)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (David McGirt)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Roger Kemp)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Roger Kemp)
13. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Herb Coussons)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (N13472@aol.com)
15. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (ByronMFox@aol.com)
16. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (David McGirt)
17. 11:07 AM - Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Doug Sapp)
18. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (A. Dennis Savarese)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (N13472@aol.com)
20. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Stephen Fox)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (David McGirt)
22. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (DaBear)
23. 06:23 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (netmaster15@juno.com)
24. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Stephen J. Byers)
25. 06:53 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Jim)
26. 07:04 PM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Tim Gagnon)
27. 07:07 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Tim Gagnon)
28. 08:24 PM - Smoke Systems (Jeff Linebaugh)
29. 10:41 PM - FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (aerostar)
30. 11:39 PM - FW: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (aerostar)
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Joe,
Give me S&H to Ohio.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOE HOWSE
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Propeller
Steve
Yes, both J9-G1, stock CJ6-A.
All new seals, re-cad plated steel parts, tested , balanced and
certified.
Joe
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Sorry...it won't tear it up. I have airplane conversations all day and they
start to mesh together. But it makes a difference when your smoke tank
doubles as a fuel tank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N13472@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:24 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Colored Smoke
In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:37:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com writes:
they will rust and get stuff
in it that will tear your engine up. If you ever question it...try to
find
How can oil injected into the exhaust pipe JUST before the outlet Tear
your eng up?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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Beat me to it, in my TW, the Aux Fuel tank is both the Smoke Oil tank and a
Aux Fuel tank, so trash in the tank is a big deal..
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ashley Battles
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Colored Smoke
Sorry...it won't tear it up. I have airplane conversations all day and they
start to mesh together. But it makes a difference when your smoke tank
doubles as a fuel tank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N13472@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Colored Smoke
In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:37:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com writes:
they will rust and get stuff
in it that will tear your engine up. If you ever question it...try to find
How can oil injected into the exhaust pipe JUST before the outlet Tear your
eng up?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
Doc and all,
I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without
it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid
other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin.
I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best
around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not,
repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system.
It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a
complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system
components were not aviation gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very
reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crackand
that is exactly what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke
oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and
yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system
has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner
that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and
then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke
pumpyou guessed it, another plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin,
he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken
welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy?
Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with
his systemsI hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and
frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors.
Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap
on your smoke system.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
Linedogg,
Thanks for the info. What system did you have in your CJ (BV...before Val)?
Since I am toying with the idea of smoke on the 50 but have not firmed up on a
system. It will come after the plumbing the wings for strobes and installing the
wingtips. To many irons in the fire and to little time to tend them! Smoke
will come later this year.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: 1/11/2007 9:35:10 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
Doc and all,
I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without it. I
cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft,
or have someone find me to effect a rejoin.
I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best around.
I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend
it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as
easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having
said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation gradelots
of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings
much for fear they would crackand that is exactly what they did after my first
flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to
a cracked plastic fitting. (and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to
the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already.
When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole
system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going
to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another
plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been
two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings
in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know
that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope you have better luck than I
did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke
injectors.
Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap on your
smoke system.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
I have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking
Airplanes system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue
with a busted line, but that was my doing and not the fault of the
system. I know a number of Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking
Airplane system who are as satisfied as I am.
Steve
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> Doc and all,
>
>
> I know some people don=92t care for smoke (Dennis=85!), but I can=92t
> live without it. I can=92t tell you how many times it has come in
> essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me
> to effect a rejoin.
>
>
> I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking=85
> the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and
> I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a
> smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it
> was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said
> that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not =93aviation
> grade=94=85lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to
tighten
> down the fittings much for fear they would crack=85and that is
> exactly what they did=85 after my first flight I had a quart of smoke
> oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic
> fitting. (=85and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the
> first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase
> price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to
> re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not
> to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump=85you guessed it,
> another plastic fitting=85 (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated
> that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken
> welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The
> remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are
> Yak owners with his systems=85I hope you have better luck than I did.
> Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and
> smoke injectors.
>
>
> Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don=92t
> go cheap on your smoke system.
>
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
>
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>
>
> ========================
> ========================
>
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| Subject: | New YAK 52W owner N90GC |
Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of
a YAK 52K serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in
Kansas City and flew it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the
Union County airport in Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to
Stephen Beaver who accompanied me to Kansas, went over the aircraft from
spinner to tail for the pre-buy. Steve also flew back with me in the
YAK giving me training all along 525 mile trip.
I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the
upcoming year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel
gauges to match up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on
performing that calibration, please pass that on to me. The aircraft
has a small toggle on the right side that switches the fuel gauges from
the main to the aux tanks. None of them read correctly. Number two
will be to install an EI fuel flow indicator. If anyone has experience
with installing the fuel flow transducer such as best location and where
to buy the proper connectors or adaptors and hose fittings, I would
greatly appreciate that info.
I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other
owners in the Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline
at craig@ustek.com if you're in my area.
Craig Schneider
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams
has put together for our TW's is "homemade" but made completely of aviation
grade components, as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will
try to take some more pictures, and detail the parts and system - I had
planned on having the information at Waycross to share with anyone that is
interested. I think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer
as well.
David
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
Doc and all,
I know some people don't care for smoke (Dennis.!), but I can't live without
it. I can't tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid
other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin.
I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking.the best
around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not,
repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system.
It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a
complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system
components were not "aviation grade".lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very
reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crack.and
that is exactly what they did. after my first flight I had a quart of smoke
oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (.and
yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system
has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner
that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and
then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke
pump.you guessed it, another plastic fitting. (Also, in a service bulletin,
he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken
welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy?
Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with
his systems.I hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and
frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors.
Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don't go cheap
on your smoke system.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share some
photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to
purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a call
and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique
aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All...
Yak-53
Yak-18PS
Best Regards
Jim Selby Jr
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| Subject: | New YAK 52W owner N90GC |
Welcome Craig, look forward to seeing you up in the sky somewhere..
David McGirt
Atlanta, GA
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schneider
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC
Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of a
YAK 52K serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in Kansas City
and flew it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the Union County
airport in Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to Stephen Beaver who
accompanied me to Kansas, went over the aircraft from spinner to tail for
the pre-buy. Steve also flew back with me in the YAK giving me training all
along 525 mile trip.
I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the
upcoming year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel
gauges to match up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on
performing that calibration, please pass that on to me. The aircraft has a
small toggle on the right side that switches the fuel gauges from the main
to the aux tanks. None of them read correctly. Number two will be to
install an EI fuel flow indicator. If anyone has experience with installing
the fuel flow transducer such as best location and where to buy the proper
connectors or adaptors and hose fittings, I would greatly appreciate that
info.
I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other owners
in the Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline at
craig@ustek.com if you're in my area.
Craig Schneider
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| Subject: | New YAK 52W owner N90GC |
Craig,
You have one of the best mentors in the YAK community right at your finger tips.
Steve Beaver is one of the best I know as being able to give you quick local
advise.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Schneider
Sent: 1/11/2007 10:37:16 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC
Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of a YAK 52K
serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in Kansas City and flew
it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the Union County airport in
Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to Stephen Beaver who accompanied me to
Kansas, went over the aircraft from spinner to tail for the pre-buy. Steve also
flew back with me in the YAK giving me training all along 525 mile trip.
I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the upcoming
year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel gauges to match
up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on performing that calibration,
please pass that on to me. The aircraft has a small toggle on the right
side that switches the fuel gauges from the main to the aux tanks. None
of them read correctly. Number two will be to install an EI fuel flow indicator.
If anyone has experience with installing the fuel flow transducer such as
best location and where to buy the proper connectors or adaptors and hose fittings,
I would greatly appreciate that info.
I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other owners in the
Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline at craig@ustek.com
if you're in my area.
Craig Schneider
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
You buying or the "Dollar Bill" game?!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Sent: 1/11/2007 10:49:05 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams has put
together for our TWs is homemade but made completely of aviation grade components,
as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will try to take some
more pictures, and detail the parts and system I had planned on having the
information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I think it
will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well.
David
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
Doc and all,
I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without it. I
cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft,
or have someone find me to effect a rejoin.
I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best around.
I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend
it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as
easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having
said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation gradelots
of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings
much for fear they would crackand that is exactly what they did after my first
flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to
a cracked plastic fitting. (and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to
the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already.
When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole
system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going
to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another
plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been
two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings
in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know
that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope you have better luck than I
did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke
injectors.
Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap on your
smoke system.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
I have the smoking planes system and it has had no problems but I
respect Jeffs comments ands will be wary of the problems. I am
interested in Tim and David's system as the smoking planes system has
some design improvement opportunities. Size of the tank is limited.
If you go out and rip it up for longer than 15 mins you are out of
smoke. Smoke is good to visualize your lines in practice. You know
you nailed the loop or the cuban if you come over the top and aim for
your entry. Or if you nail the downline parallel to your upline - etc.
The smoking planes system is also way aft. it has to be limited in
volume because it has to be limited in weight. If a back seater is
not a child (my son), you can't fill the tank and expect to play
safely due to an aft CG. It also hard to fill too. Clear Canopus in
and opaque white tank is hard to see and it is hard to pump out of a
barrel underneath the back window - I have overuns occasionally -
messy messy.
Just some other thoughts.
Herb
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:32 AM, David McGirt wrote:
> I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim
> Williams has put together for our TW=92s is =93homemade=94 but made
> completely of aviation grade components, as we fly too much and too
> hard to take chances. I will try to take some more pictures, and
> detail the parts and system ' I had planned on having the
> information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I
> think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well.
>
>
> David
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM
> To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
>
>
> Doc and all,
>
>
> I know some people don=92t care for smoke (Dennis=85!), but I can=92t
> live without it. I can=92t tell you how many times it has come in
> essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me
> to effect a rejoin.
>
>
> I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking=85
> the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and
> I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a
> smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it
> was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said
> that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not =93aviation
> grade=94=85lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to
tighten
> down the fittings much for fear they would crack=85and that is
> exactly what they did=85 after my first flight I had a quart of smoke
> oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic
> fitting. (=85and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the
> first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase
> price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to
> re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not
> to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump=85you guessed it,
> another plastic fitting=85 (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated
> that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken
> welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The
> remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are
> Yak owners with his systems=85I hope you have better luck than I did.
> Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and
> smoke injectors.
>
>
> Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don=92t
> go cheap on your smoke system.
>
>
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In a message dated 1/11/2007 8:15:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
steve.fox@mac.com writes:
have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking Airplanes
system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue with a busted line,
but that was my doing and not the fault of the system. I know a number of
Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking Airplane system who are as satisfied as I
am.
Steve
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
I agree with Steve. The paper work that came with my Smoking Airplanes
system WARNED against over tightening the plastic wing nuts. Also
when I talked to John about ordering the system he stated that the wing type
fittings were to be HAND tightened( SNUG) only. My system was
a special build as I have a 1 1/2 inch fill port so I had many calls to
John and he was easy to work with.
And there has been some issues as these system have gotten some time in
service. I would like to thank John for his forthrightness in dealing
with them. He has called and or sent E-mails ( Service bulletins ) and
replacement parts to correct these problems at NO cost. This is not the
norm for aircraft parts suppliers let alone Experimental aircraft parts
vendors. And yes I had a gallon plus of oil in the belly, My fault but there
will never be corrosion there either.
Tom & Nora Elliott
CASCADE WARBIRDS
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave # 7004
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
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Ditto, Steve. I've had Smoking Airplanes system in my CJ for three years
without incident. I'm very pleased with it. Sorry you had a bad experience, Jeff.
...Blitz
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Herb,
The CG was one important aspect of why we chose the aux on the TW, we are
using locking fuel caps ( so the line guy does not fuel the smoke tank..
when it is a smoke tank ) , also we are using a manual valve located under
the wing to control the separation of the fuel and smoke oil systems. Tim
and I can not take full credit, as the general idea came from the AeroStar's
team, as they use a similar design.
In the TW, we have the luxury of 2 aux tanks, so we can "dedicated" one of
them for smoke oil for most of the time except for the longer trips..
David
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
I have the smoking planes system and it has had no problems but I respect
Jeffs comments ands will be wary of the problems. I am interested in Tim
and David's system as the smoking planes system has some design improvement
opportunities. Size of the tank is limited. If you go out and rip it up
for longer than 15 mins you are out of smoke. Smoke is good to visualize
your lines in practice. You know you nailed the loop or the cuban if you
come over the top and aim for your entry. Or if you nail the downline
parallel to your upline - etc.
The smoking planes system is also way aft. it has to be limited in volume
because it has to be limited in weight. If a back seater is not a child (my
son), you can't fill the tank and expect to play safely due to an aft CG.
It also hard to fill too. Clear Canopus in and opaque white tank is hard to
see and it is hard to pump out of a barrel underneath the back window - I
have overuns occasionally - messy messy.
Just some other thoughts.
Herb
On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:32 AM, David McGirt wrote:
I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams
has put together for our TW's is "homemade" but made completely of aviation
grade components, as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will
try to take some more pictures, and detail the parts and system - I had
planned on having the information at Waycross to share with anyone that is
interested. I think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer
as well.
David
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems
Doc and all,
I know some people don't care for smoke (Dennis.!), but I can't live without
it. I can't tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid
other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin.
I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking.the best
around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not,
repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system.
It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a
complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system
components were not "aviation grade".lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very
reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crack.and
that is exactly what they did. after my first flight I had a quart of smoke
oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (.and
yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system
has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner
that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and
then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke
pump.you guessed it, another plastic fitting. (Also, in a service bulletin,
he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken
welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy?
Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with
his systems.I hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and
frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors.
Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don't go cheap
on your smoke system.
Jeff Linebaugh
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Drew,
I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership
dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There
are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star
Pilot membership.
Always Yakin,
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> record of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills.
> We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship
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> Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical
> test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting
> on a hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these
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Drew,
I agree with Doug.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: RedStar Pilots Association ; yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Drew,
I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership
dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There
are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star
Pilot membership.
Always Yakin,
Doug
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Have you renewed for 2007??
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Please head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a
member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a paper mail
in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all when done online.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!!
The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in
the Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well
(Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the
RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted.
The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on
hand at all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for
any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or
tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to be
inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all present
within earshot. Those members unable to produce their coin are obliged
to buy the round for those who do. Tradiationally your unit coin can
not be drilled or fastened with a permenante ring or other retainer for
string or necklace, it needs to be retained in its original condition
except for personal identification (some folks etch their call signs in
to the coin).
All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on
the front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail
raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our
jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a
differant back, but the front will always retain the unit insignia of
the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be issued the coins for
re-sale at events at a break even cost of around $8-10.00 each based on
final production fees. And soon afterward they will be avaialble to
"members only" through the store.
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Your Parade Formation Qualification
We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders
and Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of
formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training.
Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these tools, and
explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred
manual the RPA will have some excellent training tools for some time to
come. Another item on our list for "The Year In Training" is a record
of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills. We've
designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship
Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and Flight Lead
Certificate for successful completion of your practical test/check ride.
These are being professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in
your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all those
that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the
clinics and fly-ins.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to
buy an Eastern Block aircraft?
Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at
www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for sale
and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who browse the
website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats, price and
pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded coverage of
the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page soon, and
you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main navigation
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In a message dated 1/11/2007 11:48:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
Drew,
I agree with Doug.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _Doug Sapp_ (mailto:rvfltd@televar.com)
_yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Drew,
I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars
are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of
places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership.
Drew, I agree with Doug and Dennis "IN SPADES"
Are some trying to make RPA the Air force junior version?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might
be a dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are
supposed to be a small income generator or at least pay for
themselves not an expense . Now I think if the RPA membership thinks
this is a stupid idea and no one wants them we should each email
Drew individually and let him know. Rants on a list are easy to
ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also eliminates
a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have
really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all
our emails.
Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com
POTUS
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Drew,
> I agree with Doug.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Sapp
> To: RedStar Pilots Association ; yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
>
> Drew,
> I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership
> dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew?
> There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve
> the Red Star Pilot membership.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug
>
>
> RedStar Pilots Association wrote:
>> RPA Member! Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the
>> corrected version here.
>>
>>
>> News From The RedStar Pilots Association
>>
>> Check this out!!
>>
>>
>> The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin
>>
>> Have you renewed for 2007??
>>
>> If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please
>> head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a
>> member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a
>> paper mail in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all
>> when done online.
>>
>>
>> Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!!
>>
>> The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the
>> Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well
>> (Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the
>> RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted.
>>
>> The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at
>> all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for
>> any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and
>> struck or tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to
>> be inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all
>> present within earshot. Those members unable to produce their
>> coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do.
>> Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with
>> a permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it
>> needs to be retained in its original condition except for personal
>> identification (some folks etch their call signs in to the coin).
>>
>> All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the
>> front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail
>> raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If
>> our jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck
>> with a differant back, but the front will always retain the unit
>> insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be
>> issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even cost of
>> around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon
>> afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store.
>>
>> Your Parade Formation Qualification
>>
>> We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and
>> Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of
>> formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic
>> training. Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these
>> tools, and explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along
>> with an updatred manual the RPA will have some excellent training
>> tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for "The
>> Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit
>> of your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice
>> certificates for Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and
>> of course the Wing and Flight Lead Certificate for successful
>> completion of your practical test/check ride. These are being
>> professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in your den or
>> in the hangar. I will make these available for all those that now
>> currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the
>> clinics and fly-ins.
>>
>>
>> Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an
>> Eastern Block aircraft?
>>
>> Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at
>> www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for
>> sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who
>> browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete
>> stats, price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for
>> expanded coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link
>> on the home page soon, and you can find it right now under
>> "Services" option of the main navigation bar. Post your for-sales
>> at flyredstar...
>>
>>
>> Fly Often-Fly Safe,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> Drew Blahnick
>> RPA President
>> 305.803.9158
>>
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Agreed.. I say anyone that bitches to the group has to buy the next round!
Hehe.. ( smile.. it was funny )
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might be a
dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are supposed to
be a small income generator or at least pay for themselves not an expense .
Now I think if the RPA membership thinks this is a stupid idea and no one
wants them we should each email Drew individually and let him know. Rants on
a list are easy to ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also
eliminates a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have
really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all our
emails.
Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com
POTUS
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
Drew,
I agree with Doug.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> Doug Sapp
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Drew,
I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars
are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of
places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership.
Always Yakin,
Doug
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online.
_____
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The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed Forces
and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, SWAT, Fire
Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar Pilots Association's
mock up for our own coin to be minted.
The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all
times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any reason,
voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or tapped against
anything solid (as in the case it were to be inadvertantly dropped), this
signifies a "coin check" of all present within earshot. Those members unable
to produce their coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do.
Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with a
permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be
retained in its original condition except for personal identification (some
folks etch their call signs in to the coin).
All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front and a
formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised relief on the
back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet aircraft membership
rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a differant back, but the front
will always retain the unit insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in
organizers will be issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even
cost of around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon
afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store.
_____
Your Parade Formation Qualification
We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and Solo
Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of formation and
the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. Wing, Lead candidates
and Instructors will see these tools, and explanation of their use, at
clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred manual the RPA will have some
excellent training tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for
"The Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit of
your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for
Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and
Flight Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical
test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting on a
hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all
those that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the
clinics and fly-ins.
_____
Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an Eastern
Block aircraft?
Take a look at the
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aircraft for sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who
browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats,
price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded
coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page
soon, and you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main
navigation bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar...
_____
Fly Often-Fly Safe,
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke Systems |
I have the smoking airplane system in my CJ as well and I haven't had a
problem I am a little concerned with the safety wire "fix" for the
potential broken weld, but the whole system has been solid for 18 months.
DaBear
Stephen Fox wrote:
> I have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking
> Airplanes system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue
> with a busted line, but that was my doing and not the fault of the
> system. I know a number of Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking
> Airplane system who are as satisfied as I am.
>
> Steve
> On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
>
>> Doc and all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live
>> without it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential
>> to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a
>> rejoin.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe
>> best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I
>> would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a
>> smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it
>> was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said
>> that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation
>> gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten
>> down the fittings much for fear they would crackand that is exactly
>> what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in
>> the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and
>> yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This
>> system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I
>> told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole
>> system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any
>> fitting going to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another plastic
>> fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been
>> two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector
>> fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the
>> exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope
>> you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently
>> inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go
>> cheap on your smoke system.
>>
>>
>>
>> /Jeff Linebaugh///
>>
>> /jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net <mailto:jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>/
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS |
Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evening and I''
ll call you re your airplanes.
Cliff
-- "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net> wrote:
I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share some
photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to
purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a c
all
and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique
aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All...
Yak-53
Yak-18PS
Best Regards
Jim Selby Jr
<html><P>Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evenin
g and I''ll call you re your airplanes.</P>
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| Subject: | Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news |
I like the Coin Idea. And even if I didn't I would buy one to support the
hard work and effort the individuals put into this community.
If I REALLY didn't like It I would buy one and then offer a suggestion of
something better to do that might accomplish the desired goals.. And what
might a coin accomplish.??? A sense community, comradery, and spirit.. At
least it would be memorabilia I can talk to my kids and grandkids about
someday.
:-)
Steve
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Agreed.. I say anyone that bitches to the group has to buy the next round!
Hehe.. ( smile.. it was funny )
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might be a
dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are supposed to
be a small income generator or at least pay for themselves not an expense .
Now I think if the RPA membership thinks this is a stupid idea and no one
wants them we should each email Drew individually and let him know. Rants on
a list are easy to ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also
eliminates a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have
really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all our
emails.
Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com
POTUS
On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
Drew,
I agree with Doug.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> Doug Sapp
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news
Drew,
I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars
are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of
places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership.
Always Yakin,
Doug
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online.
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Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!!
The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed Forces
and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, SWAT, Fire
Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar Pilots Association's
mock up for our own coin to be minted.
The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all
times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any reason,
voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or tapped against
anything solid (as in the case it were to be inadvertantly dropped), this
signifies a "coin check" of all present within earshot. Those members unable
to produce their coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do.
Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with a
permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be
retained in its original condition except for personal identification (some
folks etch their call signs in to the coin).
All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front and a
formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised relief on the
back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet aircraft membership
rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a differant back, but the front
will always retain the unit insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in
organizers will be issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even
cost of around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon
afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store.
_____
Your Parade Formation Qualification
We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and Solo
Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of formation and
the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. Wing, Lead candidates
and Instructors will see these tools, and explanation of their use, at
clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred manual the RPA will have some
excellent training tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for
"The Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit of
your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for
Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and
Flight Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical
test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting on a
hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all
those that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the
clinics and fly-ins.
_____
Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an Eastern
Block aircraft?
Take a look at the
<http://www.maildogmanager.com/link.html?url=42&client=redstar&campaign=231&
email=rvfltd@televar.com> new member aircraft sales section at
<http://www.maildogmanager.com/link.html?url=3&client=redstar&campaign=231&e
mail=rvfltd@televar.com> www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your
aircraft for sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who
browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats,
price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded
coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page
soon, and you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main
navigation bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar...
_____
Fly Often-Fly Safe,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
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831 384-7046 Home 831 883-1266 Hanger
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: netmaster15@juno.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-53/Yak-18PS
Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evening and
I''ll call you re your airplanes.
Cliff
-- "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net> wrote:
I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share
some
photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to
purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a
call
and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique
aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All...
Yak-53
Yak-18PS
Best Regards
Jim Selby Jr
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| Subject: | Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC |
Craig,
If you are ever down Middletown way, KMWO (just south of Dayton) drop in for free
refreshments at the Auger Inn. (My little hanger bar). If I am in the pattern,
look for a Yak-50 and check six!
Tim
N359FG
Yak-50
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I have seen that -53 at Castle...it is a cool airplane! If I had some extra coin
laying around, it would be mine. Plus I need to save for a possible upcoming
move..... 8)
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Fox-Men and Tom,
Didnt mean to step on your toes with my comments about the
smokingairplanes.com smoke system: I am sure you are extra careful in
maintaining your airplanes, and I am glad they are working well for you.
I just want to put forth words of caution to those thinking of smoke systems
in their airplanes. I try to error to the safe side when it comes to
airborne vehicles, especially ones with just one motor and no ejection
seat This is just my opinion: plastic fittings and flammable liquids
should not go together, even on the back side of the firewall. I should have
known better when I saw the system components, and feel that my experience
with the cracked fitting/leak was my wake-up call to knock-it-off and do it
right. I felt compelled to share my concerns and experience
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
F1 Rocket #33 N240KT
Memphis, TN.
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| Subject: | FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
To : The YAK community
Dear Friends ,
We are pleased to contact you again on the list .
First of all , being the start of the new year , we from Aerostar want
to wish to you all for 2007 all the best , a happy new year and safe
flights !
We are pleased to introduce to you a new upgraded version of the new YAK
52 TW aircraft to be built and offered to you during this year . The
goal of this 2007 version is to introduce several news & improvements
developed during the latest aircraft delivered worldwide or planned to
be introduced for the further aircraft . Some of these modifications are
proposed by you , we collecting proposals sent here by some of you .
In principle , these features are listed here , for your easier view . A
detailed offer is enclosed with this message , the proposals including
also the new aircraft retail sale price and the sales conditions ,
updated for 2007 . For sales you can contact us direct or our dealers .
# 400 HP radial engine , model " M14PF
- XDK " ( featuring electronic ignition & fuel multipoint injection ) -
improving the engine
power & fuel consumption ;
# Three - blades variable pitch
propeller " MTV-9 # 29 " model & big spinner - improving the engine
power ;
# Oil cooler - assembled into the
right-wing leading edge - improving the oil cooling parameters ;
# EFIS cockpit display - lighter &
modernized equipment ;
# EMS cockpit display - lighter &
modernized equipment ;
# Batteries after firewall - improving
the aircraft weight & balance ;
# Electric elevator trim - easy
operating & simplified system ;
# Improved cowl gills system - easier
operating system ;
We are pleased to see and receive your comments and proposals concerning
to all of these .
We will continue the production of new aircraft based on your orders .
We also will continue to deliver spare parts for your aircraft and to
support you and them as much we can .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
Marketing Programs Manager
www.aerostar.ro <http://www.aerostar.ro/>
cristian.dragoi@aerostar.ro
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| Subject: | FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerostar
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals
To : The YAK community
Dear Friends ,
We are pleased to contact you again on the list .
First of all , being the start of the new year , we from Aerostar want
to wish to you all for 2007 all the best , a happy new year and safe
flights !
We are pleased to introduce to you a new upgraded version of the new YAK
52 TW aircraft to be built and offered to you during this year . The
goal of this 2007 version is to introduce several news & improvements
developed during the latest aircraft delivered worldwide or planned to
be introduced for the further aircraft . Some of these modifications are
proposed by you , we collecting proposals sent here by some of you .
In principle , these features are listed here , for your easier view . A
detailed offer is enclosed with this message , the proposals including
also the new aircraft retail sale price and the sales conditions ,
updated for 2007 . For sales you can contact us direct or our dealers .
# 400 HP radial engine , model " M14PF
- XDK " ( featuring electronic ignition & fuel multipoint injection ) -
improving the engine
power & fuel consumption ;
# Three - blades variable pitch
propeller " MTV-9 # 29 " model & big spinner - improving the engine
power ;
# Oil cooler - assembled into the
right-wing leading edge - improving the oil cooling parameters ;
# EFIS cockpit display - lighter &
modernized equipment ;
# EMS cockpit display - lighter &
modernized equipment ;
# Batteries after firewall - improving
the aircraft weight & balance ;
# Electric elevator trim - easy
operating & simplified system ;
# Improved cowl gills system - easier
operating system ;
We are pleased to see and receive your comments and proposals concerning
to all of these .
We will continue the production of new aircraft based on your orders .
We also will continue to deliver spare parts for your aircraft and to
support you and them as much we can .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
Marketing Programs Manager
www.aerostar.ro <http://www.aerostar.ro/>
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