---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/11/07: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:48 AM - Re: Propeller (Steve & Donna Hanshew) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: Colored Smoke (Ashley Battles) 3. 07:17 AM - Re: Colored Smoke (David McGirt) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Smoke Systems (Jeff Linebaugh) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Roger Kemp) 6. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Stephen Fox) 7. 08:26 AM - New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Craig Schneider) 8. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (David McGirt) 9. 08:36 AM - Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Jim Selby) 10. 08:44 AM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (David McGirt) 11. 08:45 AM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Roger Kemp) 12. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Roger Kemp) 13. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (Herb Coussons) 14. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (N13472@aol.com) 15. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (ByronMFox@aol.com) 16. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (David McGirt) 17. 11:07 AM - Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Doug Sapp) 18. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (A. Dennis Savarese) 19. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (N13472@aol.com) 20. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Stephen Fox) 21. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (David McGirt) 22. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: Smoke Systems (DaBear) 23. 06:23 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (netmaster15@juno.com) 24. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news (Stephen J. Byers) 25. 06:53 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Jim) 26. 07:04 PM - Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC (Tim Gagnon) 27. 07:07 PM - Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS (Tim Gagnon) 28. 08:24 PM - Smoke Systems (Jeff Linebaugh) 29. 10:41 PM - FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (aerostar) 30. 11:39 PM - FW: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (aerostar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:59 AM PST US From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Propeller Joe, Give me S&H to Ohio. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOE HOWSE Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Propeller Steve Yes, both J9-G1, stock CJ6-A. All new seals, re-cad plated steel parts, tested , balanced and certified. Joe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:03 AM PST US From: "Ashley Battles" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Colored Smoke Sorry...it won't tear it up. I have airplane conversations all day and they start to mesh together. But it makes a difference when your smoke tank doubles as a fuel tank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N13472@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:24 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Colored Smoke In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:37:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com writes: they will rust and get stuff in it that will tear your engine up. If you ever question it...try to find How can oil injected into the exhaust pipe JUST before the outlet Tear your eng up? Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:33 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Colored Smoke Beat me to it, in my TW, the Aux Fuel tank is both the Smoke Oil tank and a Aux Fuel tank, so trash in the tank is a big deal.. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ashley Battles Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Colored Smoke Sorry...it won't tear it up. I have airplane conversations all day and they start to mesh together. But it makes a difference when your smoke tank doubles as a fuel tank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of N13472@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Colored Smoke In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:37:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ashley.battles@aircapitalins.com writes: they will rust and get stuff in it that will tear your engine up. If you ever question it...try to find How can oil injected into the exhaust pipe JUST before the outlet Tear your eng up? Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:21 AM PST US From: "Jeff Linebaugh" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Doc and all, I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin. I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crackand that is exactly what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap on your smoke system. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:46 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Linedogg, Thanks for the info. What system did you have in your CJ (BV...before Val)? Since I am toying with the idea of smoke on the 50 but have not firmed up on a system. It will come after the plumbing the wings for strobes and installing the wingtips. To many irons in the fire and to little time to tend them! Smoke will come later this year. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Linebaugh Sent: 1/11/2007 9:35:10 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Doc and all, I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin. I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crackand that is exactly what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap on your smoke system. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:59 AM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking Airplanes system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue with a busted line, but that was my doing and not the fault of the system. I know a number of Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking Airplane system who are as satisfied as I am. Steve On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > Doc and all, > > > I know some people don=92t care for smoke (Dennis=85!), but I can=92t > live without it. I can=92t tell you how many times it has come in > essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me > to effect a rejoin. > > > I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking=85 > the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and > I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a > smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it > was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said > that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not =93aviation > grade=94=85lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten > down the fittings much for fear they would crack=85and that is > exactly what they did=85 after my first flight I had a quart of smoke > oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic > fitting. (=85and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the > first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase > price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to > re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not > to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump=85you guessed it, > another plastic fitting=85 (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated > that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken > welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The > remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are > Yak owners with his systems=85I hope you have better luck than I did. > Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and > smoke injectors. > > > Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don=92t > go cheap on your smoke system. > > > Jeff Linebaugh > > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > > > ======================== > ======================== > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:46 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC From: "Craig Schneider" Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of a YAK 52K serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in Kansas City and flew it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the Union County airport in Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to Stephen Beaver who accompanied me to Kansas, went over the aircraft from spinner to tail for the pre-buy. Steve also flew back with me in the YAK giving me training all along 525 mile trip. I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the upcoming year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel gauges to match up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on performing that calibration, please pass that on to me. The aircraft has a small toggle on the right side that switches the fuel gauges from the main to the aux tanks. None of them read correctly. Number two will be to install an EI fuel flow indicator. If anyone has experience with installing the fuel flow transducer such as best location and where to buy the proper connectors or adaptors and hose fittings, I would greatly appreciate that info. I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other owners in the Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline at craig@ustek.com if you're in my area. Craig Schneider ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:09 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams has put together for our TW's is "homemade" but made completely of aviation grade components, as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will try to take some more pictures, and detail the parts and system - I had planned on having the information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well. David _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Doc and all, I know some people don't care for smoke (Dennis.!), but I can't live without it. I can't tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin. I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking.the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not "aviation grade".lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crack.and that is exactly what they did. after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (.and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump.you guessed it, another plastic fitting. (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systems.I hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don't go cheap on your smoke system. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:07 AM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Yak-List: Yak-53/Yak-18PS I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share some photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a call and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All... Yak-53 Yak-18PS Best Regards Jim Selby Jr ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC Welcome Craig, look forward to seeing you up in the sky somewhere.. David McGirt Atlanta, GA _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schneider Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of a YAK 52K serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in Kansas City and flew it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the Union County airport in Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to Stephen Beaver who accompanied me to Kansas, went over the aircraft from spinner to tail for the pre-buy. Steve also flew back with me in the YAK giving me training all along 525 mile trip. I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the upcoming year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel gauges to match up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on performing that calibration, please pass that on to me. The aircraft has a small toggle on the right side that switches the fuel gauges from the main to the aux tanks. None of them read correctly. Number two will be to install an EI fuel flow indicator. If anyone has experience with installing the fuel flow transducer such as best location and where to buy the proper connectors or adaptors and hose fittings, I would greatly appreciate that info. I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other owners in the Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline at craig@ustek.com if you're in my area. Craig Schneider ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:27 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC Craig, You have one of the best mentors in the YAK community right at your finger tips. Steve Beaver is one of the best I know as being able to give you quick local advise. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Schneider Sent: 1/11/2007 10:37:16 AM Subject: Yak-List: New YAK 52W owner N90GC Just wanted to introduce myself. Yesterday I became the proud owner of a YAK 52K serial 9912205, tail N90GC. I picked up the aircraft in Kansas City and flew it back to Ohio. The aircraft is now based at the Union County airport in Marysville Ohio (MRT). Special thanks to Stephen Beaver who accompanied me to Kansas, went over the aircraft from spinner to tail for the pre-buy. Steve also flew back with me in the YAK giving me training all along 525 mile trip. I'm sure there will be a few things I'll want to do the aircraft in the upcoming year. Number one will be to get the analog western style fuel gauges to match up with the senders. If anyone has some instruction on performing that calibration, please pass that on to me. The aircraft has a small toggle on the right side that switches the fuel gauges from the main to the aux tanks. None of them read correctly. Number two will be to install an EI fuel flow indicator. If anyone has experience with installing the fuel flow transducer such as best location and where to buy the proper connectors or adaptors and hose fittings, I would greatly appreciate that info. I'm looking forward to flying the YAK and meeting/flying with other owners in the Ohio are or in nearby states! Get intouch with me offline at craig@ustek.com if you're in my area. Craig Schneider ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:48 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems You buying or the "Dollar Bill" game?! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: 1/11/2007 10:49:05 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams has put together for our TWs is homemade but made completely of aviation grade components, as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will try to take some more pictures, and detail the parts and system I had planned on having the information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well. David From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Doc and all, I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live without it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin. I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crackand that is exactly what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another plastic fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go cheap on your smoke system. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:20 AM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I have the smoking planes system and it has had no problems but I respect Jeffs comments ands will be wary of the problems. I am interested in Tim and David's system as the smoking planes system has some design improvement opportunities. Size of the tank is limited. If you go out and rip it up for longer than 15 mins you are out of smoke. Smoke is good to visualize your lines in practice. You know you nailed the loop or the cuban if you come over the top and aim for your entry. Or if you nail the downline parallel to your upline - etc. The smoking planes system is also way aft. it has to be limited in volume because it has to be limited in weight. If a back seater is not a child (my son), you can't fill the tank and expect to play safely due to an aft CG. It also hard to fill too. Clear Canopus in and opaque white tank is hard to see and it is hard to pump out of a barrel underneath the back window - I have overuns occasionally - messy messy. Just some other thoughts. Herb On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:32 AM, David McGirt wrote: > I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim > Williams has put together for our TW=92s is =93homemade=94 but made > completely of aviation grade components, as we fly too much and too > hard to take chances. I will try to take some more pictures, and > detail the parts and system ' I had planned on having the > information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I > think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well. > > > David > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM > To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems > > > Doc and all, > > > I know some people don=92t care for smoke (Dennis=85!), but I can=92t > live without it. I can=92t tell you how many times it has come in > essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me > to effect a rejoin. > > > I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking=85 > the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and > I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a > smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it > was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said > that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not =93aviation > grade=94=85lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten > down the fittings much for fear they would crack=85and that is > exactly what they did=85 after my first flight I had a quart of smoke > oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic > fitting. (=85and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the > first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase > price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to > re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not > to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump=85you guessed it, > another plastic fitting=85 (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated > that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken > welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The > remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are > Yak owners with his systems=85I hope you have better luck than I did. > Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and > smoke injectors. > > > Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don=92t > go cheap on your smoke system. > > > Jeff Linebaugh > > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ======================== > ======================== > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:48 AM PST US From: N13472@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems In a message dated 1/11/2007 8:15:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, steve.fox@mac.com writes: have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking Airplanes system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue with a busted line, but that was my doing and not the fault of the system. I know a number of Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking Airplane system who are as satisfied as I am. Steve On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: I agree with Steve. The paper work that came with my Smoking Airplanes system WARNED against over tightening the plastic wing nuts. Also when I talked to John about ordering the system he stated that the wing type fittings were to be HAND tightened( SNUG) only. My system was a special build as I have a 1 1/2 inch fill port so I had many calls to John and he was easy to work with. And there has been some issues as these system have gotten some time in service. I would like to thank John for his forthrightness in dealing with them. He has called and or sent E-mails ( Service bulletins ) and replacement parts to correct these problems at NO cost. This is not the norm for aircraft parts suppliers let alone Experimental aircraft parts vendors. And yes I had a gallon plus of oil in the belly, My fault but there will never be corrosion there either. Tom & Nora Elliott CASCADE WARBIRDS CJ-6A NX63727 777 Quartz Ave # 7004 Sandy Valley NV 89019 Home 702-723-1223 Fax 702-723-1243 Cell 702-595-2680 Tom Cell 702-808-1316 Nora ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:18 AM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Ditto, Steve. I've had Smoking Airplanes system in my CJ for three years without incident. I'm very pleased with it. Sorry you had a bad experience, Jeff. ...Blitz ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:29 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Herb, The CG was one important aspect of why we chose the aux on the TW, we are using locking fuel caps ( so the line guy does not fuel the smoke tank.. when it is a smoke tank ) , also we are using a manual valve located under the wing to control the separation of the fuel and smoke oil systems. Tim and I can not take full credit, as the general idea came from the AeroStar's team, as they use a similar design. In the TW, we have the luxury of 2 aux tanks, so we can "dedicated" one of them for smoke oil for most of the time except for the longer trips.. David _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I have the smoking planes system and it has had no problems but I respect Jeffs comments ands will be wary of the problems. I am interested in Tim and David's system as the smoking planes system has some design improvement opportunities. Size of the tank is limited. If you go out and rip it up for longer than 15 mins you are out of smoke. Smoke is good to visualize your lines in practice. You know you nailed the loop or the cuban if you come over the top and aim for your entry. Or if you nail the downline parallel to your upline - etc. The smoking planes system is also way aft. it has to be limited in volume because it has to be limited in weight. If a back seater is not a child (my son), you can't fill the tank and expect to play safely due to an aft CG. It also hard to fill too. Clear Canopus in and opaque white tank is hard to see and it is hard to pump out of a barrel underneath the back window - I have overuns occasionally - messy messy. Just some other thoughts. Herb On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:32 AM, David McGirt wrote: I would have to completely agree with Jeff. The system that Tim Williams has put together for our TW's is "homemade" but made completely of aviation grade components, as we fly too much and too hard to take chances. I will try to take some more pictures, and detail the parts and system - I had planned on having the information at Waycross to share with anyone that is interested. I think it will be a great round table discussion over a beer as well. David _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems Doc and all, I know some people don't care for smoke (Dennis.!), but I can't live without it. I can't tell you how many times it has come in essential to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a rejoin. I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care taking.the best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not "aviation grade".lots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten down the fittings much for fear they would crack.and that is exactly what they did. after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (.and yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any fitting going to the smoke pump.you guessed it, another plastic fitting. (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systems.I hope you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, don't go cheap on your smoke system. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:01 AM PST US From: Doug Sapp Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership. Always Yakin, Doug RedStar Pilots Association wrote: > *RPA Member!* Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the > corrected version here. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *News From The RedStar Pilots Association* > > *Check this out!!* > > > The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin > > Have you renewed for 2007?? > > If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please > head to www.flyredstar.org > > and renew by clicking the "become a member" link right on the home > page. You can renew through a paper mail in application, but it's > cheaper and easier for us all when done online. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!!* > > The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed > Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, > SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar > Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted. > > The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all > times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any > reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or > tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to be > inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all present > within earshot. Those members unable to produce their coin are > obliged to buy the round for those who do. Tradiationally your unit > coin can not be drilled or fastened with a permenante ring or other > retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be retained in its > original condition except for personal identification (some folks etch > their call signs in to the coin). > > All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front > and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised > relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet > aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a > differant back, but the front will always retain the unit insignia of > the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be issued the coins > for re-sale at events at a break even cost of around $8-10.00 each > based on final production fees. And soon afterward they will be > avaialble to "members only" through the store. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Your Parade Formation Qualification* > > We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and > Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of > formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. > Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these tools, and > explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred > manual the RPA will have some excellent training tools for some time > to come. Another item on our list for "The Year In Training" is a > record of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills. > We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship > Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and Flight > Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical > test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting > on a hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these > available for all those that now currently hold the wing or lead > rating, probably through the clinics and fly-ins. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an > Eastern Block aircraft?* > > Take a look at the *new member aircraft sales section at * > *www.flyredstar.org* > > . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for sale and it will > display to all folks, member or vistor, who browse the website. See > who's selling their warbird with complete stats, price and pictures - > just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded coverage of the sale > offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page soon, and you > can find it right now under "Services" option of the main navigation > bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Fly Often-Fly Safe, > > Drew > > Drew Blahnick > RPA President > 305.803.9158 > > *Renew your membership!* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Trouble viewing this email? Go to: > http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vmrrVj4s0QaEieIpq7dlpRyUcA== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *RPA Members!* You can reach the President and Board of Directors > simply by replying to this E-Com! > 110 Washington Ave APT 2604, Miami Beach, Fl 33139, USA > Review our Privacy Policy > and Acceptable Use > Policy . > Unsubscribe > > or manage your Subscription Preferences > > > > Instantly created and delivered by RedStar Pilots Association's Mail > Dog ! > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:36 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I agree with Doug. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Sapp To: RedStar Pilots Association ; yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership. Always Yakin, Doug RedStar Pilots Association wrote: RPA Member! Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the corrected version here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- News From The RedStar Pilots Association Check this out!! The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin Have you renewed for 2007?? If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a paper mail in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all when done online. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!! The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted. The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to be inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all present within earshot. Those members unable to produce their coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do. Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with a permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be retained in its original condition except for personal identification (some folks etch their call signs in to the coin). All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a differant back, but the front will always retain the unit insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even cost of around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your Parade Formation Qualification We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these tools, and explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred manual the RPA will have some excellent training tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for "The Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and Flight Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all those that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the clinics and fly-ins. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an Eastern Block aircraft? Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats, price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page soon, and you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main navigation bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fly Often-Fly Safe, Drew Drew Blahnick RPA President 305.803.9158 Renew your membership! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Trouble viewing this email? Go to: http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vmrrVj4s0QaEieIpq7d lpRyUcA== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- RPA Members! You can reach the President and Board of Directors simply by replying to this E-Com! 110 Washington Ave APT 2604, Miami Beach, Fl 33139, USA Review our Privacy Policy and Acceptable Use Policy. Unsubscribe or manage your Subscription Preferences Instantly created and delivered by RedStar Pilots Association's Mail Dog! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:58 AM PST US From: N13472@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news In a message dated 1/11/2007 11:48:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes: Drew, I agree with Doug. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: _Doug Sapp_ (mailto:rvfltd@televar.com) _yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com) Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership. Drew, I agree with Doug and Dennis "IN SPADES" Are some trying to make RPA the Air force junior version? Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:43 PM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might be a dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are supposed to be a small income generator or at least pay for themselves not an expense . Now I think if the RPA membership thinks this is a stupid idea and no one wants them we should each email Drew individually and let him know. Rants on a list are easy to ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also eliminates a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all our emails. Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com POTUS On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > Drew, > I agree with Doug. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Sapp > To: RedStar Pilots Association ; yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news > > Drew, > I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership > dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? > There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve > the Red Star Pilot membership. > > > Always Yakin, > Doug > > > RedStar Pilots Association wrote: >> RPA Member! Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the >> corrected version here. >> >> >> News From The RedStar Pilots Association >> >> Check this out!! >> >> >> The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin >> >> Have you renewed for 2007?? >> >> If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please >> head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a >> member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a >> paper mail in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all >> when done online. >> >> >> Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!! >> >> The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the >> Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well >> (Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the >> RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted. >> >> The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at >> all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for >> any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and >> struck or tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to >> be inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all >> present within earshot. Those members unable to produce their >> coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do. >> Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with >> a permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it >> needs to be retained in its original condition except for personal >> identification (some folks etch their call signs in to the coin). >> >> All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the >> front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail >> raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If >> our jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck >> with a differant back, but the front will always retain the unit >> insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be >> issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even cost of >> around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon >> afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store. >> >> Your Parade Formation Qualification >> >> We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and >> Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of >> formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic >> training. Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these >> tools, and explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along >> with an updatred manual the RPA will have some excellent training >> tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for "The >> Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit >> of your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice >> certificates for Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and >> of course the Wing and Flight Lead Certificate for successful >> completion of your practical test/check ride. These are being >> professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in your den or >> in the hangar. I will make these available for all those that now >> currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the >> clinics and fly-ins. >> >> >> Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an >> Eastern Block aircraft? >> >> Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at >> www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for >> sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who >> browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete >> stats, price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for >> expanded coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link >> on the home page soon, and you can find it right now under >> "Services" option of the main navigation bar. Post your for-sales >> at flyredstar... >> >> >> Fly Often-Fly Safe, >> >> Drew >> >> Drew Blahnick >> RPA President >> 305.803.9158 >> >> Renew your membership! >> >> Trouble viewing this email? Go to: >> http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html? >> p=0000015Fu8vmrrVj4s0QaEieIpq7dlpRyUcA= >> RPA Members! You can reach the President and Board of Directors >> simply by replying to this E-Com! >> 110 Washington Ave APT 2604, Miami Beach, Fl 33139, USA >> Review our Privacy Policy and Acceptable Use Policy. >> Unsubscribe or manage your Subscription Preferences >> Instantly created and delivered by RedStar Pilots Association's >> Mail Dog! >> >> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http:// > forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:12 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Agreed.. I say anyone that bitches to the group has to buy the next round! Hehe.. ( smile.. it was funny ) _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might be a dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are supposed to be a small income generator or at least pay for themselves not an expense . Now I think if the RPA membership thinks this is a stupid idea and no one wants them we should each email Drew individually and let him know. Rants on a list are easy to ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also eliminates a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all our emails. Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com POTUS On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Drew, I agree with Doug. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Sapp yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership. Always Yakin, Doug RedStar Pilots Association wrote: RPA Member! Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the corrected version here. _____ News From The RedStar Pilots Association Check this out!! The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin Have you renewed for 2007?? If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a paper mail in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all when done online. _____ Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!! The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted. The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to be inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all present within earshot. Those members unable to produce their coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do. Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with a permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be retained in its original condition except for personal identification (some folks etch their call signs in to the coin). All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a differant back, but the front will always retain the unit insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even cost of around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store. _____ Your Parade Formation Qualification We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these tools, and explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred manual the RPA will have some excellent training tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for "The Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and Flight Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all those that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the clinics and fly-ins. _____ Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an Eastern Block aircraft? Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats, price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page soon, and you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main navigation bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar... _____ Fly Often-Fly Safe, Drew Drew Blahnick RPA President 305.803.9158 Renew your membership! _____ Trouble viewing this email? Go to: http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vmrrVj4s0QaEieIpq7dlpRyU cA= _____ RPA Members! You can reach the President and Board of Directors simply by replying to this E-Com! 110 Washington Ave APT 2604, Miami Beach, Fl 33139, USA Review our Privacy Policy and Acceptable Use Policy. Unsubscribe or manage your Subscription Preferences Instantly created and delivered by RedStar Pilots Association's Mail Dog! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics .com - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:47 PM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Smoke Systems I have the smoking airplane system in my CJ as well and I haven't had a problem I am a little concerned with the safety wire "fix" for the potential broken weld, but the whole system has been solid for 18 months. DaBear Stephen Fox wrote: > I have to humbly disagree with Jeff on this one. I have the Smoking > Airplanes system and have been very happy with it. I had one issue > with a busted line, but that was my doing and not the fault of the > system. I know a number of Yak and Cj drivers with the Smoking > Airplane system who are as satisfied as I am. > > Steve > On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > >> Doc and all, >> >> >> >> I know some people dont care for smoke (Dennis!), but I cant live >> without it. I cant tell you how many times it has come in essential >> to either avoid other aircraft, or have someone find me to effect a >> rejoin. >> >> >> >> I had a great smoke system in the CJ that Val is now care takingthe >> best around. I just put a smoke system in my new airplane and I >> would not, repeat NOT, recommend it to anyone. It was a >> smokingairplanes.com system. It was touted as easy to install (it >> was) and convenient since it is a complete kit (it is.) Having said >> that, IMHO, I found that the system components were not aviation >> gradelots of cheap plastic parts. I was very reluctant to tighten >> down the fittings much for fear they would crackand that is exactly >> what they did after my first flight I had a quart of smoke oil in >> the belly of the new airplane due to a cracked plastic fitting. (and >> yes it was leak tested on the ground prior to the first flight). This >> system has easily cost me twice the purchase price already. When I >> told the owner that we were going to have to re-plumb the whole >> system, he apologized, and then cautioned me not to over-tighten any >> fitting going to the smoke pumpyou guessed it, another plastic >> fitting (Also, in a service bulletin, he stated that there have been >> two in-flight fires as a result of broken welds in the smoke injector >> fittings in his smoke systems. The remedy? Safety wire them to the >> exhaust?!) I know that there are Yak owners with his systemsI hope >> you have better luck than I did. Please be careful, and frequently >> inspect the system, fittings and smoke injectors. >> >> >> >> Given that smoke oil WILL burn, and fires are generally bad, dont go >> cheap on your smoke system. >> >> >> >> /Jeff Linebaugh/// >> >> /jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net / >> ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:58 PM PST US From: "netmaster15@juno.com" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-53/Yak-18PS Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evening and I'' ll call you re your airplanes. Cliff -- "Jim Selby" wrote: I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share some photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a c all and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All... Yak-53 Yak-18PS Best Regards Jim Selby Jr

Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evenin g and I''ll call you re your airplanes.

Cliff

-- "Jim Selby" <alikatz@mbay.net>&n bsp;wrote:




  I hope this mes sage finds everyone well. I thought I  ;would share some
 photos we had taken& nbsp;about 3 weeks ago, if you know s omeone looking to
 purchase a couple of  great flying Yaks, here they are, ju st give us a call
 and we would&nb sp;be happy to give you the scoop on& nbsp;these two very unique
 aircraft... Than k you and Happy New Years to All...
 Yak-53
 Yak-18PS

 Best Regards
& nbsp;Jim Selby Jr
________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:56 PM PST US From: "Stephen J. Byers" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news I like the Coin Idea. And even if I didn't I would buy one to support the hard work and effort the individuals put into this community. If I REALLY didn't like It I would buy one and then offer a suggestion of something better to do that might accomplish the desired goals.. And what might a coin accomplish.??? A sense community, comradery, and spirit.. At least it would be memorabilia I can talk to my kids and grandkids about someday. :-) Steve _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Agreed.. I say anyone that bitches to the group has to buy the next round! Hehe.. ( smile.. it was funny ) _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Before we all get a bit carried away screaming about how this might be a dumb idea or not. You will be buying these coin/s thus they are supposed to be a small income generator or at least pay for themselves not an expense . Now I think if the RPA membership thinks this is a stupid idea and no one wants them we should each email Drew individually and let him know. Rants on a list are easy to ignore while a pile of individual emails are not. It also eliminates a bunch of repetitive emails all on the same subject that have really nothing to do with our planes or flying coming through all our emails. Drew's email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com POTUS On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Drew, I agree with Doug. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Sapp yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RedStar Pilots: Challenge Coins and other news Drew, I hate to pee on anybodys parade but if this is where my membership dollars are going I'll pass. Do we REALLY need a coin Drew? There are a bunch of places money could be better spent to serve the Red Star Pilot membership. Always Yakin, Doug RedStar Pilots Association wrote: RPA Member! Are you having trouble viewing this email? View the corrected version here. _____ News From The RedStar Pilots Association Check this out!! The RedStar Unit Challenge Coin Have you renewed for 2007?? If you did not renew for 2007, membership expired Jan 1st! Please head to www.flyredstar.org and renew by clicking the "become a member" link right on the home page. You can renew through a paper mail in application, but it's cheaper and easier for us all when done online. _____ Challenge Coins Are Here for 2007!! The concept of a Unit Challenge Coin is a long tradition in the Armed Forces and has spread to non military organizations as well (Police, SWAT, Fire Department, etc.) and we've recently sent the RedStar Pilots Association's mock up for our own coin to be minted. The basic tradition of the unit coin is simple; keep it on hand at all times, it represents membership in the organization, if for any reason, voluntary or by accident, a coin is produced and struck or tapped against anything solid (as in the case it were to be inadvertantly dropped), this signifies a "coin check" of all present within earshot. Those members unable to produce their coin are obliged to buy the round for those who do. Tradiationally your unit coin can not be drilled or fastened with a permenante ring or other retainer for string or necklace, it needs to be retained in its original condition except for personal identification (some folks etch their call signs in to the coin). All our coins (1.75 inches) will carry the unit insignia on the front and a formation of of our most popular aircraft in detail raised relief on the back and are multi-colored and numbered. If our jet aircraft membership rises in 2007 a coin will be struck with a differant back, but the front will always retain the unit insignia of the association. Clinic/Fly-in organizers will be issued the coins for re-sale at events at a break even cost of around $8-10.00 each based on final production fees. And soon afterward they will be avaialble to "members only" through the store. _____ Your Parade Formation Qualification We are working to finish up the new Formation Training Folders and Solo Formation Training Cards. These are tools for the student of formation and the clinic instructor to improve our clinic training. Wing, Lead candidates and Instructors will see these tools, and explanation of their use, at clinics in 2007. Along with an updatred manual the RPA will have some excellent training tools for some time to come. Another item on our list for "The Year In Training" is a record of your accomplishments in pursuit of your formation skills. We've designed exceptionally nice certificates for Four Ship Wingman-in-Training Solo criteria and of course the Wing and Flight Lead Certificate for successful completion of your practical test/check ride. These are being professionally produced for mounting on a hero wall in your den or in the hangar. I will make these available for all those that now currently hold the wing or lead rating, probably through the clinics and fly-ins. _____ Selling a Yak, CJ, L-29 or Cessna?...or are you looking to buy an Eastern Block aircraft? Take a look at the new member aircraft sales section at www.flyredstar.org . You can, in minutes, post your aircraft for sale and it will display to all folks, member or vistor, who browse the website. See who's selling their warbird with complete stats, price and pictures - just click on the thumbnail photos for expanded coverage of the sale offer. We have put a prominent link on the home page soon, and you can find it right now under "Services" option of the main navigation bar. Post your for-sales at flyredstar... _____ Fly Often-Fly Safe, Drew Drew Blahnick RPA President 305.803.9158 Renew your membership! _____ Trouble viewing this email? Go to: http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vmrrVj4s0QaEieIpq7dlpRyU cA= _____ RPA Members! You can reach the President and Board of Directors simply by replying to this E-Com! 110 Washington Ave APT 2604, Miami Beach, Fl 33139, USA Review our Privacy Policy and Acceptable Use Policy. Unsubscribe or manage your Subscription Preferences Instantly created and delivered by RedStar Pilots Association's Mail Dog! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics .com - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:40 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-53/Yak-18PS 831 384-7046 Home 831 883-1266 Hanger Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: netmaster15@juno.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-53/Yak-18PS Jim, Send me a phone number where I can reach you in the evening and I''ll call you re your airplanes. Cliff -- "Jim Selby" wrote: I hope this message finds everyone well. I thought I would share some photos we had taken about 3 weeks ago, if you know someone looking to purchase a couple of great flying Yaks, here they are, just give us a call and we would be happy to give you the scoop on these two very unique aircraft... Thank you and Happy New Years to All... Yak-53 Yak-18PS Best Regards Jim Selby Jr ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:29 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: New YAK 52W owner N90GC From: "Tim Gagnon" Craig, If you are ever down Middletown way, KMWO (just south of Dayton) drop in for free refreshments at the Auger Inn. (My little hanger bar). If I am in the pattern, look for a Yak-50 and check six! Tim N359FG Yak-50 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87005#87005 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:26 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-53/Yak-18PS From: "Tim Gagnon" I have seen that -53 at Castle...it is a cool airplane! If I had some extra coin laying around, it would be mine. Plus I need to save for a possible upcoming move..... 8) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87006#87006 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:33 PM PST US From: "Jeff Linebaugh" Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Systems Fox-Men and Tom, Didnt mean to step on your toes with my comments about the smokingairplanes.com smoke system: I am sure you are extra careful in maintaining your airplanes, and I am glad they are working well for you. I just want to put forth words of caution to those thinking of smoke systems in their airplanes. I try to error to the safe side when it comes to airborne vehicles, especially ones with just one motor and no ejection seat This is just my opinion: plastic fittings and flammable liquids should not go together, even on the back side of the firewall. I should have known better when I saw the system components, and feel that my experience with the cracked fitting/leak was my wake-up call to knock-it-off and do it right. I felt compelled to share my concerns and experience Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net F1 Rocket #33 N240KT Memphis, TN. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:02 PM PST US From: "aerostar" Subject: Yak-List: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals To : The YAK community Dear Friends , We are pleased to contact you again on the list . First of all , being the start of the new year , we from Aerostar want to wish to you all for 2007 all the best , a happy new year and safe flights ! We are pleased to introduce to you a new upgraded version of the new YAK 52 TW aircraft to be built and offered to you during this year . The goal of this 2007 version is to introduce several news & improvements developed during the latest aircraft delivered worldwide or planned to be introduced for the further aircraft . Some of these modifications are proposed by you , we collecting proposals sent here by some of you . In principle , these features are listed here , for your easier view . A detailed offer is enclosed with this message , the proposals including also the new aircraft retail sale price and the sales conditions , updated for 2007 . For sales you can contact us direct or our dealers . # 400 HP radial engine , model " M14PF - XDK " ( featuring electronic ignition & fuel multipoint injection ) - improving the engine power & fuel consumption ; # Three - blades variable pitch propeller " MTV-9 # 29 " model & big spinner - improving the engine power ; # Oil cooler - assembled into the right-wing leading edge - improving the oil cooling parameters ; # EFIS cockpit display - lighter & modernized equipment ; # EMS cockpit display - lighter & modernized equipment ; # Batteries after firewall - improving the aircraft weight & balance ; # Electric elevator trim - easy operating & simplified system ; # Improved cowl gills system - easier operating system ; We are pleased to see and receive your comments and proposals concerning to all of these . We will continue the production of new aircraft based on your orders . We also will continue to deliver spare parts for your aircraft and to support you and them as much we can . Sincerely , Cristian Dragoi Marketing Programs Manager www.aerostar.ro cristian.dragoi@aerostar.ro ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:09 PM PST US From: "aerostar" Subject: FW: Yak-List: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerostar Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Yak-List: FW: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals To : The YAK community Dear Friends , We are pleased to contact you again on the list . First of all , being the start of the new year , we from Aerostar want to wish to you all for 2007 all the best , a happy new year and safe flights ! We are pleased to introduce to you a new upgraded version of the new YAK 52 TW aircraft to be built and offered to you during this year . The goal of this 2007 version is to introduce several news & improvements developed during the latest aircraft delivered worldwide or planned to be introduced for the further aircraft . Some of these modifications are proposed by you , we collecting proposals sent here by some of you . In principle , these features are listed here , for your easier view . A detailed offer is enclosed with this message , the proposals including also the new aircraft retail sale price and the sales conditions , updated for 2007 . For sales you can contact us direct or our dealers . # 400 HP radial engine , model " M14PF - XDK " ( featuring electronic ignition & fuel multipoint injection ) - improving the engine power & fuel consumption ; # Three - blades variable pitch propeller " MTV-9 # 29 " model & big spinner - improving the engine power ; # Oil cooler - assembled into the right-wing leading edge - improving the oil cooling parameters ; # EFIS cockpit display - lighter & modernized equipment ; # EMS cockpit display - lighter & modernized equipment ; # Batteries after firewall - improving the aircraft weight & balance ; # Electric elevator trim - easy operating & simplified system ; # Improved cowl gills system - easier operating system ; We are pleased to see and receive your comments and proposals concerning to all of these . We will continue the production of new aircraft based on your orders . We also will continue to deliver spare parts for your aircraft and to support you and them as much we can . Sincerely , Cristian Dragoi Marketing Programs Manager www.aerostar.ro cristian.dragoi@aerostar.ro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.