Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:53 AM - Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (Steve Dalton)
2. 07:13 AM - propeller (JOE HOWSE)
3. 11:10 AM - Aerostar message (Jorgen Nielsen)
4. 01:38 PM - Aerostar message (Jorgen Nielsen)
5. 05:06 PM - Aerostar proposals (Craig Payne)
6. 05:26 PM - Re: Aerostar message (Roger Kemp)
7. 05:32 PM - Re: Aerostar message (KJKimball@aol.com)
8. 05:41 PM - Re: Aerostar message (David McGirt)
9. 05:55 PM - Re: Aerostar proposals (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 06:25 PM - oooops (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 08:35 PM - Re: Aerostar message (Roger Kemp)
12. 08:45 PM - Re: Aerostar message (KJKimball@aol.com)
13. 08:49 PM - Re: Aerostar message (Roger Kemp)
14. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Aerostar message (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | RE: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
Steve,
There was a doc attached to Cristian's email
I attached here if you did not get it. The price listed on there is
$285,000 !!!
Herb
Thanks Herb,
I get the list via the digest format and attachments do not make it
thru.
-Steve
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Steve and Donna Hanshew
Prop crated and air freight to Cleveland 2250.00
Joe Howse
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
Hi All
Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
attachments.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
Got it thanks. She looks good but $285k? Think I am going to fall in love
with mine all over again.
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Hi All
Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
attachments.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | Aerostar proposals |
Consider the value of the initial batch of -52TW's in Euros to the present day
Euro price. Adjust for a large swing in USD-Euro exchange rate, normal inflation,
the claimed upgrades and improvements, and I can understand where the $285K
is coming from.
What this could mean to US owners is that their current Yaks are undervalued on
the European market while being fairly priced in the US market. Hence, I look
for an upswing in export sales. Same thing happened years ago when I sold a spammer
to a European customer who was cherry picking on the cheap.
One caveat, Euro re-certification favors "stock" aircraft as opposed to the modifications
we apply here in the US, opening up the possiblity that Yak parts are
worth more than the sum of the whole aircraft. Could someone pass me a flashlight
and wrenches please, I think I see a lonesome Yak tied down over there....
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50 with only 143 hours
total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can
get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400. The Garmin 430 can be had
for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of
manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit
steep in my humble opinion!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Aerostar message
>
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Got it thanks. She looks good but $285k? Think I am going to fall in
love
> with mine all over again.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Hi All
>
> Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
> attachments.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
What about the multi point fuel injection and electronic ignition listed as
improvements in the Yak 52 TW Mk II? Is there any info on this, who makes
it, where to get it and how it works?
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball,
VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
_www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/)
_www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/)
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
Those of us that have TW's already, will just love them even more now.. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aerostar message
Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50 with only 143 hours
total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can
get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400. The Garmin 430 can be had
for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of
manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit
steep in my humble opinion!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Aerostar message
>
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Got it thanks. She looks good but $285k? Think I am going to fall in
love
> with mine all over again.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Hi All
>
> Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
> attachments.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar proposals |
In a message dated 1/14/2007 8:08:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
I heard recently that the US government is trying to get China to revaluate
their yen upward. This is to not make the trade deficit look so lopsided, I
guess. The bottom line of this, is we will soon see prices for parts and
such from China start to climb also.
It is true that some airplanes are worth more in parts than whole. I know
personally of a Aztec (a #10 though and though) obtained from a bank repo,
will fetch nearly a third more parted out, than if sold whole. To bad in away.
But bottom line realities are just that sometimes. But at $285K a copy that
put the YAK TW up there with certified's and it is still coming in as
Experimental.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Consider the value of the initial batch of -52TW's in Euros to the present
day Euro price. Adjust for a large swing in USD-Euro exchange rate, normal
inflation, the claimed upgrades and improvements, and I can understand where
the $285K is coming from.
What this could mean to US owners is that their current Yaks are undervalued
on the European market while being fairly priced in the US market. Hence, I
look for an upswing in export sales. Same thing happened years ago when I
sold a spammer to a European customer who was cherry picking on the cheap.
One caveat, Euro re-certification favors "stock" aircraft as opposed to the
modifications we apply here in the US, opening up the possiblity that Yak
parts are worth more than the sum of the whole aircraft. Could someone pass me
a
flashlight and wrenches please, I think I see a lonesome Yak tied down over
there....
Craig Payne
_cpayne@joimail.com_ (mailto:cpayne@joimail.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
The only fuel injection system being put on M-14 P's is the one that is being put
on the M-14's powering the Radial Rocket kits. If my limited information is
correct. It costs $5000 and fits directly onto the carb mounts on the supercharger.
It requires a spring change on the fuel pump to keep the fuel flow at 35
psi. It is made and supplied by Airflow Performance.
Dennis Savarese and George Coy have more info on this system over and above what
I just said.
This system is not a multiport injection system though. So really,guess I did not
answer the multiport question though did I? The only fuel injection system
that I know of for the M-14 is this one supplied by airflow perfomance. It is
a pretty ingenious system from what I can tell so far.
Can't shead any enlightment on the electronic ignition. Would be nice to know who
and where that system comes from along with it's reliability.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/14/2007 7:38:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerostar message
What about the multi point fuel injection and electronic ignition listed as improvements
in the Yak 52 TW Mk II? Is there any info on this, who makes it, where
to get it and how it works?
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com
www.pittsmodel12.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
Doc,
I am familiar with the Airflow injection which works much like the bendix
system for PW985 engines. It is a single point injection. The ad indicates
multiport injection and electronic ignition specifically. I would assume the
2
systems are married together. I have heard rumors of such systems being
underway but this is the first ad indicating it is available.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball,
VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
_www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/)
_www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
I need to correct the statement on the price of the injection system from Air
Performance. It lists for $3,736.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/14/2007 7:38:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerostar message
What about the multi point fuel injection and electronic ignition listed as improvements
in the Yak 52 TW Mk II? Is there any info on this, who makes it, where
to get it and how it works?
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com
www.pittsmodel12.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
Kevin,
Agree, I have heard the same but have not seen any info on them to date.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/14/2007 10:53:54 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Aerostar message
Doc,
I am familiar with the Airflow injection which works much like the bendix system
for PW985 engines. It is a single point injection. The ad indicates multiport
injection and electronic ignition specifically. I would assume the 2 systems
are married together. I have heard rumors of such systems being underway
but this is the first ad indicating it is available.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com
www.pittsmodel12.com
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