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1. 12:29 AM - Re: Aerostar message (Hans Oortman)
2. 06:01 AM - Re: Support request (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: Aerostar message (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (Ira Saligman)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Aerostar message (Roger Kemp)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 08:39 AM - Re: colours smoke (Ron Davis)
8. 10:25 AM - Re: colours smoke (Scooter)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: colours smoke (David McGirt)
10. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: colours smoke (Roger Kemp)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: colours smoke (Jan Mevis)
12. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: colours smoke (Ai Bao)
13. 03:10 PM - Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (Tim Gagnon)
14. 03:14 PM - Re: Aerostar message (Tim Gagnon)
15. 05:09 PM - Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals (Doug Sapp)
16. 07:52 PM - Cowling T-Slot Bushings (PHCarter@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
There almost hasn't been an increase in price from Aerostar, in Euro's that
is. The $100k has all to with exchange rate. I hate to say this Doc but
blame Bush for this. I predict it will get worse and will get to a point of
$1.40 (or even more) against 1 Euro. Good for us Europeans if we go to the
US but that is about all. From a world economical point of view it's
bad....but, hej, somebody has to pay for the war in Irak......
Hans O.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp
Verzonden: maandag 15 januari 2007 2:26
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Aerostar message
Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50 with only 143 hours
total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can
get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400. The Garmin 430 can be had
for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of
manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit
steep in my humble opinion!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Aerostar message
>
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Got it thanks. She looks good but $285k? Think I am going to fall in
love
> with mine all over again.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Hi All
>
> Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
> attachments.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Support request |
In a message dated 1/15/2007 8:16:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
avmapinfo@c-map.com writes:
Miriam,
Thank you for the prompt reply. The address is correct.
I'll make sure I'll point out your quick replay and service, to anyone who
is interested in the EKP IV.
Thank you again.
Jim Goolsby
Mr. Goolsby-
I will send you a new Power Cord, with a mailer to return the faulty cord to
us.
We will send it to this address
1717 CR 308
Crescent City, FL 32112
Best regards,
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Support request
First name: James
Last name: Goolsby
Company:
Address:
Zip code: 32112
City:
Region or state:
Country: US
Phone number:
Fax number:
E-mail: cjpilot710@aol.com
Product: EKP IV
Request: The power cord has broken right at the unit screw on -3 prong plug.
I need a replacement. OR could some one tell which wire (red or black)
attachs too the center pin and I'll fix it myself.
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
Basic cost is about $4k for the throttle body fuel injection, which is
single point fuel injection. (In the '80's before multiport fuel
injection was standard on automobiles, some manufactures used a basic
carburetor body casting with two internally mounted fuel injectors above
the carburator throttle plate). Tough to justify with only a very modest
improvement in fuel economy. IMHO, not enough to spend the $4k plus
installation cost. In other words, the ROI is not there.
Now lets think about the multiport fuel injection issue. If an electric
starter is installed on the M14PF-xxx engine, the air injector holes in
the cylinders are not needed for air starting. Air starting on a
"sissy" Yak (52TW with electric start) is only a backup. Rather than
recasting the cylinders, wouldn't it be logical to use the air injector
holes for multiport fuel injection? Mechanical fuel injection timing
could also be set up using the no longer needed air start distributor
location using a device which times the injection of fuel into the
cylinder similar to the air injection from the air start distributor.
Of course the injection of the fuel would have to be timed to the intake
stroke versus the normal air injection for starting which is on the
power stroke. If it is electronic fuel injection, then it would make
complete sense to include an electronic ignition with electronic fuel
injection.
As for electronic ignition, this is something I think many of us would
be extremely interested in learning about.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: KJKimball@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aerostar message
Doc,
I am familiar with the Airflow injection which works much like the
bendix system for PW985 engines. It is a single point injection. The
ad indicates multiport injection and electronic ignition specifically.
I would assume the 2 systems are married together. I have heard rumors
of such systems being underway but this is the first ad indicating it is
available.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com
www.pittsmodel12.com
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
I think the new plane sounds great but would have to evaluate the
additional value relative to the considerable increase in price.
One thing which must be addressed is the perceived lack of service after
the sale.
Many of us have the same inherent issues with the TW, and have spent
considerable time and/or money on these (oil temp, weight and balance,
trying to understand the manual, etc.). At the current pricing these
issues are annoying but the performance of the overall plane is worth
it. At the new price, I would expect the manufacturer and all others
associated with the sale to really stand behind the "issues" which may
come up.
This is a great chance for Aerostar to really improve it's reputation,
add value to all of our planes and have a chance of success in the new
price category.
Aerostar and dealers, please take this note as my input to for one way
to add the the chances of success for the new plane.
Ira Saligman
RPA Treasurer
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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| Subject: | Aerostar message |
Hans,
Correct on the prices and EU conversion. The Iraq deal is necessary
unfortunately for many reasons. Iran is another major issue. The islamic
fascism is not much better than what Hitler did with Nazism. We can debate
politics off line though. The war is not something I revelle in either but
better to be killing them on their turf than having them here on mine.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Hans Oortman <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/15/2007 2:35:51 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Aerostar message
>
>
> There almost hasn't been an increase in price from Aerostar, in Euro's
that
> is. The $100k has all to with exchange rate. I hate to say this Doc but
> blame Bush for this. I predict it will get worse and will get to a point
of
> $1.40 (or even more) against 1 Euro. Good for us Europeans if we go to the
> US but that is about all. From a world economical point of view it's
> bad....but, hej, somebody has to pay for the war in Irak......
>
> Hans O.
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp
> Verzonden: maandag 15 januari 2007 2:26
> Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Aerostar message
>
>
> Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50 with only 143
hours
> total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can
> get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400. The Garmin 430 can be had
> for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of
> manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit
> steep in my humble opinion!
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Aerostar message
> >
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > Got it thanks. She looks good but $285k? Think I am going to fall in
> love
> > with mine all over again.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Hi All
> >
> > Could someone forward me Christians attachment? I get the digest minus
> > attachments.
> >
> > Jorgen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
MessageIra hit it right on the money. Aerostar, at least in the past,
just didn't get it. My first sales manager many, many years ago told me
two things that has stuck with me over the years. First, "Nothing
happens until somebody sells something" and "The selling starts AFTER
you get the order." Now that may not make sense to some, but in
Aerostar terms it represents precisely what Aerostar has not done. And
that is, support their product AND most importantly, their dealers the
way they should be before, during and AFTER the sale. Aerostar lost the
best possible US dealer they could have ever have. GESOCO. Gesoco was
dedicated to the product, had the technical expertise to provide
feedback on the product and the capability to support the product, 100%,
before, during and AFTER the sale. But Aerostar dropped the ball. No
offense Harvey Meek. But George Coy's team was the key to the Yak 52W
and TW products success or failure in the largest market in the world,
the U.S.
Anyone who spends $170K or $285K (doesn't really matter which) expects
to be able to take their airplane to their dealer or designated repair
shop, get their airplane fixed under warranty and not have to wait 2-3
months for the original manufacture to "decide" whether the repair will
be covered by the warranty or not. (ie: Pompous attitude - "We made it
so it can't be defective.") You wouldn't expect that kind of post-sale
support on your Ferrari or other expensive sports car and you damn sure
don't expect that kind of service from your new airplane manufacture.
Poor product support equals lost sales and lost sales equals shutting
down the product line. With the global communication capability of the
internet, poor product support is catastrophic....as evidence of the
number of 52TW's sold over the last 18-24 months in the U.S. compared to
2000 thru 2004.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ira Saligman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals
I think the new plane sounds great but would have to evaluate the
additional value relative to the considerable increase in price.
One thing which must be addressed is the perceived lack of service
after the sale.
Many of us have the same inherent issues with the TW, and have spent
considerable time and/or money on these (oil temp, weight and balance,
trying to understand the manual, etc.). At the current pricing these
issues are annoying but the performance of the overall plane is worth
it. At the new price, I would expect the manufacturer and all others
associated with the sale to really stand behind the "issues" which may
come up.
This is a great chance for Aerostar to really improve it's reputation,
add value to all of our planes and have a chance of success in the new
price category.
Aerostar and dealers, please take this note as my input to for one way
to add the the chances of success for the new plane.
Ira Saligman
RPA Treasurer
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
isaligman@Saligman.com
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
New York has had 20+ temperatures in January before. It happened in the
1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my grandfather told me of it in the
1930s.
As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why "The Colonies" have Great
Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mj@yakuk.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:40 AM
Subject: Yak-List: colours smoke
>
> Global warming ( which USA politicians are now accepting I believe - cant
> but help notice NY + 20' in January !!) will produce coloured smoke when a
> low sun gets refracted by the pollution/ carbon partials in the
> atmosphere.
> You can see this effect in a couple of the shots taken as the sun was
> setting at Old Warden, UK.
>
>
> The only other way a piston a/c can produce colored smoke is pyrotechnics.
> If dye like used in jet a/c was used the whole a/c would be seriously and
> irrevocably colored ! I believe the dyes used by jet a/c are biro inks and
> the crews use full NBC suits when handling them. (In UK at least)
>
>
> BTW you can make your smoke smell nice if needs be without detriment to
> the
> a/c or pilot. :-)
>
>
> Happy new year to all. Mj
>
>
> From:
>
> "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
>
>
> Subject:
>
> Colored Smoke
>
>
> Just curious, is anyone aware of a smoke oil that will produce a
> color
> other
> than white?
>
> David
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
I read that the outgassing of nomex from flight suits contributed to global warming.
L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> New York has had 20+ temperatures in January before. It happened in the
> 1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my grandfather told me of it in the
> 1930s.
>
> As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why "The Colonies" have Great
> Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
>
> ---
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87801#87801
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
And I read, that one should expect the planet to warm up after the end of an
ice age..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
I read that the outgassing of nomex from flight suits contributed to global
warming.
L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> New York has had 20+ temperatures in January before. It happened in the
> 1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my grandfather told me of it in
the
> 1930s.
>
> As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why "The Colonies" have Great
> Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
>
> ---
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87801#87801
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
Sooner than that if one subscribes to the theories of " Al Gore".
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/15/2007 12:52:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
>
>
> And I read, that one should expect the planet to warm up after the end of
an
> ice age..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:24 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
>
>
> I read that the outgassing of nomex from flight suits contributed to
global
> warming.
>
>
> L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> > New York has had 20+ temperatures in January before. It happened in the
> > 1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my grandfather told me of it in
> the
> > 1930s.
> >
> > As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why "The Colonies" have
Great
> > Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
> >
> > ---
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87801#87801
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
About all this global warming hype : greenhouse gases do certainly play a
role, but to what extent? Don't forget the influence of El Nino on the
global climate. And besides that, there's a LOT of solar activity.
Apparantly since a few decades, the sun is more active than ever and this
has a tremendous effect on the global warming of the earth (enormous masses
of solar debris thrown into the heliosphere, that also carry very strong
magnetic fields).
All you pilots know that weather forecasting is difficult. Even more then
you can imagine that the correlation between greenhouse gases, and the
recent climatological phenomena are not at all easy to verify or to
quantify.
But it's easier to stick with the politically correct lingo.
Jan Mevis
Yak 50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: maandag 15 januari 2007 20:19
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
Sooner than that if one subscribes to the theories of " Al Gore".
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/15/2007 12:52:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
>
>
> And I read, that one should expect the planet to warm up after the end of
an
> ice age..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:24 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
>
>
> I read that the outgassing of nomex from flight suits contributed to
global
> warming.
>
>
> L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> > New York has had 20+ temperatures in January before. It happened in the
> > 1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my grandfather told me of it in
> the
> > 1930s.
> >
> > As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why "The Colonies" have
Great
> > Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
> >
> > ---
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87801#87801
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: colours smoke |
If red star aircraft get any more popular Gore will
pronounce the he did the original drawings ... same as
he invented the internet.
--- Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Sooner than that if one subscribes to the theories
> of " Al Gore".
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/15/2007 12:52:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
> >
> <david@mcgirt.net>
> >
> > And I read, that one should expect the planet to
> warm up after the end of
> an
> > ice age..
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Scooter
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:24 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: colours smoke
> >
> <yakk52@verizon.net>
> >
> > I read that the outgassing of nomex from flight
> suits contributed to
> global
> > warming.
> >
> >
> >
> > L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> > > New York has had 20+ temperatures in January
> before. It happened in the
> > > 1950s when I was a child in Bayonne and my
> grandfather told me of it in
> > the
> > > 1930s.
> > >
> > > As for global warming- yes it's real. It's why
> "The Colonies" have
> Great
> > > Lakes instead of the Great Glaciers.
> > >
> > > ---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87801#87801
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
Well said Dennis..
I think the folks across the bond are slowly but surely pricing themselves out
of the US market. What they may not realize is that we as consumers will find
the next best thing, cheaper. We are also an innovative bunch and will find a
way to improve upon something and do it cheaper. As much as we may bitch about
the FAA, we are lucky in regards to the experimental certificate relative to
other countries.
I have flown a Yak-52 TW and in my opinion, it was not of the same quality as that
of the "original" Yak-52. And to pay $285K for one!! I would be stunned if
there was a single sale here in the US or anywhere for that matter.
If I had to spend 285K on a Yak, I would buy 3 more Yak-50's and start my own air
force!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87874#87874
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| Subject: | Re: Aerostar message |
> somebody has to pay for the war in Irak.
Somebody has to take care of this problem...would not want it to grow like...say.....that
guy in the 30's. We had to take care of that too!
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| Subject: | Re: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals |
Dennis has a handle on it, maybe he should explain it to the Chinese too
(I tried). I could write a book on the horrors of doing business
(trying to) with Eaglet. From trying to sell me CJ's then at the same
time trying to sell them to my customers also, to printing
advertisements showing my fuel tank mod as their own property, it's been
a real education.
Neither Aerostar or Eaglet have realized the importance of aligning
themselves with, and giving their full support to *ONE* good, stable,
reliable, firm to do all of it's marketing/business here in the US. If
Eaglet would have done that I am sure there would be more new CJ's
flying today. The Internet and thousands of inquiries from sport pilots
trying to short cut the system and make a good buy has made them feel
like they can "go it alone". I wish them luck
Always yakin,
Doug Sapp
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Ira hit it right on the money. Aerostar, at least in the past, just
> didn't get it. My first sales manager many, many years ago told me
> two things that has stuck with me over the years. First, "Nothing
> happens until somebody sells something" and "The selling starts AFTER
> you get the order." Now that may not make sense to some, but in
> Aerostar terms it represents precisely what Aerostar has not done.
> And that is, support their product AND most importantly, their dealers
> the way they should be before, during and AFTER the sale. Aerostar
> lost the best possible US dealer they could have ever have. GESOCO.
> Gesoco was dedicated to the product, had the technical expertise to
> provide feedback on the product and the capability to support the
> product, 100%, before, during and AFTER the sale. But Aerostar
> dropped the ball. No offense Harvey Meek. But George Coy's team was
> the key to the Yak 52W and TW products success or failure in the
> largest market in the world, the U.S.
>
> Anyone who spends $170K or $285K (doesn't really matter which) expects
> to be able to take their airplane to their dealer or designated repair
> shop, get their airplane fixed under warranty and not have to wait 2-3
> months for the original manufacture to "decide" whether the repair
> will be covered by the warranty or not. (ie: Pompous attitude - "We
> made it so it can't be defective.") You wouldn't expect that kind of
> post-sale support on your Ferrari or other expensive sports car and
> you damn sure don't expect that kind of service from your new airplane
> manufacture.
>
> Poor product support equals lost sales and lost sales equals shutting
> down the product line. With the global communication capability of
> the internet, poor product support is catastrophic....as evidence of
> the number of 52TW's sold over the last 18-24 months in the U.S.
> compared to 2000 thru 2004.
>
> Dennis
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ira Saligman <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2007 8:27 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: YAK 52 TW - 2007 proposals
>
> I think the new plane sounds great but would have to evaluate the
> additional value relative to the considerable increase in price.
>
> One thing which must be addressed is the perceived lack of service
> after the sale.
>
> Many of us have the same inherent issues with the TW, and have
> spent considerable time and/or money on these (oil temp, weight
> and balance, trying to understand the manual, etc.). At the
> current pricing these issues are annoying but the performance of
> the overall plane is worth it. At the new price, I would expect
> the manufacturer and all others associated with the sale to really
> stand behind the "issues" which may come up.
>
> This is a great chance for Aerostar to really improve it's
> reputation, add value to all of our planes and have a chance of
> success in the new price category.
>
> Aerostar and dealers, please take this note as my input to for one
> way to add the the chances of success for the new plane.
>
>
>
> /Ira Saligman/
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> /RPA Treasurer /
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings |
Folks
The upper cowling of my Yak-52 has been chaffing with the forward fuselage
resulting in cracks and general deterioration of the rear edge near the canopy
wind screen. I recently found out from a local expert that the upper portion
of the cowl is supposed to be supported by the lower cowl and that the lower
rear support of the cowl is adjustable in order to make sure the upper cowling
shell clears above the fuselage and does not rest upon it. I have noticed a
number of -52's with raged rear edges on their upper cowling shells. This lead
me to believe that this was just the way the design worked. My mechanic
pointed out how the rear support adjustment works and pointed out I was missing
some parts. After reviewing the Yak-52 parts catalog I got with the plane, it
appears I am missing the T-slot bushings that normally go on either side of the
cowling mounting points. There are four T-slot bushings all together. A
previous owner must have lost these bushings and tried to safety wire this
adjustable mount into an acceptable position. It didn't work. With time, vibration
and air loads push upon the cowling, the adjustment dropped down and makes the
upper cowling shell rest upon the fuselage.
I need four T-slot bushings for my cowling mounts. Does anyone have some? I
will try the normal places, but I will be surprised if they have them in
stock. If any one has one, can you make a drawing and email it to me. I will
make some if I have to. If anyone has just one (damaged or otherwise) I can use
it to make new ones.
Since I have seen other -52's with raged cowling edges, I wanted to tell
folks of my experience / discovery. If others have missing T-slot bushings (they
look easy to lose) and we can't find a supply, I will make some extras for
others or we can find a replacement method.
By the way, the Russian design for the adjustable mount is quite good. It is
very practical and easy to adjust. The only flaw, it appears, is the T-Slot
bushings can fall off and get lost if one is not looking.
Preston Carter
Yak-52, N6209F
phcarter@aol.com
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