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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Rob Kent)
2. 12:59 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (kp)
3. 05:35 AM - Yak prices (Stephen Fox)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Roger Kemp)
5. 07:05 AM - Engine prices etc (Jerry Painter)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: CJ Power Options (Jim Bernier)
7. 12:07 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Jorgen Nielsen)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Jorgen Nielsen)
9. 01:39 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 02:17 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Roger Kemp)
12. 02:45 PM - Re: Engine prices etc (Craig Payne)
13. 03:41 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
14. 06:52 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (David McGirt)
15. 08:13 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Roger Kemp)
16. 08:22 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Roger Kemp)
17. 08:33 PM - Ellison Throttle Body???? (ggg6@att.net)
18. 08:34 PM - Ellison Throttle Body???? (ggg6@att.net)
19. 10:25 PM - CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal (ByronMFox@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Jorgen,
>From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required. As a
business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the
first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these
T-slot bushes missing.
As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you
will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals,
circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although not
all) trim parts.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 825 975
Mob: +44 7842 964 358
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> about
> the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,
> picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc
> etc.
>
> Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl.
> Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,
> refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of
> other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
>
> I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> confirms there is no product support.
>
> 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
>
> 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled
> with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> isn't
> Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> "cowl
> mount overhaul kit"?
>
> Hell lets not stop there. How about...
>
> 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> replacement
> kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> kit",
> "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
>
> I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of
> these kits and many others.
>
> Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares
> available?
>
> Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really
> want Aerostar to be successful.
>
> Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking
> something?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Jorgen........ go get a life !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> about
> the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,
> picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc
> etc.
>
> Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl.
> Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,
> refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of
> other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
>
> I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> confirms there is no product support.
>
> 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
>
> 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled
> with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> isn't
> Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> "cowl
> mount overhaul kit"?
>
> Hell lets not stop there. How about...
>
> 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> replacement
> kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> kit",
> "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
>
> I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of
> these kits and many others.
>
> Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares
> available?
>
> Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really
> want Aerostar to be successful.
>
> Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking
> something?
>
>
>
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Ok there has been a discussion about the Yak 52TW increase to $285K
(US), but what about the Yak 52TD. Is there a similar increase on the
horizon?
Mark Jefferies, you can probably best answer this question.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
I definately have to say, for 50 parts Rob has had them when I could not
find them anywhere else and needed them yesterday!
Just wish the shipping across the pond were a little cheaper. Guess we all
have to pay the cost of increased fuel cost though one way or another.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Kent <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
> To: YAK USA LIST <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 2:36:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Jorgen,
>
> >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required.
As a
> business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the
> first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these
> T-slot bushes missing.
> As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you
> will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals,
> circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although
not
> all) trim parts.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob Kent
> Stores Manager
> WLAC - Russian Engineering
> www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
>
> Tel: +44 1628 829 165
> Fax: +44 1628 825 975
> Mob: +44 7842 964 358
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> > about
> > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,
> > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc
etc
> > etc.
> >
> > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
cowl.
> > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,
> > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of
> > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
> >
> > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> > confirms there is no product support.
> >
> > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
> >
> > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled
> > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> > isn't
> > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> > "cowl
> > mount overhaul kit"?
> >
> > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
> >
> > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> > replacement
> > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> > kit",
> > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
> >
> > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents
of
> > these kits and many others.
> >
> > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares
> > available?
> >
> > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
really
> > want Aerostar to be successful.
> >
> > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
smoking
> > something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine prices etc |
Now that M-14's are getting expensive, makes R-985's look more and more
appealing. You can buy a fresh overhauled engine outright for about $30K
from several suppliers, complete with real warranty, parts and service
readily available locally and online etc. I wonder how George Coy is doi
ng
with the lower power M-14 variants billed as Continental and Kinner
replacements etc. Also Air Repair is selling "new" Jacobs engines at ver
y
reasonable prices. Much as I love CJ's, -52's etc the end of the low-pri
ce
tunnel may be coming into view. Get 'em while they're still cheap! $285
K
for a 52TW is still cheap compared to what a new T-34 would cost...We're
just used to fire sale prices we all knew couldn't last.
I'd love to build an R-985 powered Samson some fine day...surprised there
aren't more experimentals using US round engines.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Power Options |
Craig
A friend, Carl Fratus, built a biplane using a Chevy 400 ci / 400 hp with reduction
gearing. He had a difficult time finding the correct prop for it. Never
did work out. When the HS6A became available and cheap he bought one with prop
from Marcus Bates. Placed it on his homebuilt and for the first time it flew
great. It you wish to pursue the chevy approach contact Marcus Bates Jr. He can
get you started and then some. He was a good friend of Carl Fratus.
Jim B
>>> cpayne@joimail.com 1/16/2007 4:40 PM >>>
As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy V-8 would perform
under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT prop? Prices are as cheap
as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a reduction drive. Weight is in
the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426
HP Chevy winding up.
Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something appropriate :>)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Agreed doc. Every time I have asked Rob for something he has had it - and
have previously paid more in shipping than for the parts for something of
lowish value.
Rob yes thank. I was reflecting on the view in the states that the guys
were talking about, and also product support directly from Aerostar, and
through their dealers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: 17 January 2007 04:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
I definately have to say, for 50 parts Rob has had them when I could not
find them anywhere else and needed them yesterday!
Just wish the shipping across the pond were a little cheaper. Guess we all
have to pay the cost of increased fuel cost though one way or another.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Kent <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
> To: YAK USA LIST <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 2:36:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Jorgen,
>
> >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required.
As a
> business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the
> first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these
> T-slot bushes missing.
> As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you
> will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals,
> circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although
not
> all) trim parts.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob Kent
> Stores Manager
> WLAC - Russian Engineering
> www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
>
> Tel: +44 1628 829 165
> Fax: +44 1628 825 975
> Mob: +44 7842 964 358
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> > about
> > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,
> > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc
etc
> > etc.
> >
> > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
cowl.
> > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,
> > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of
> > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
> >
> > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> > confirms there is no product support.
> >
> > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
> >
> > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled
> > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> > isn't
> > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> > "cowl
> > mount overhaul kit"?
> >
> > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
> >
> > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> > replacement
> > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> > kit",
> > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
> >
> > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents
of
> > these kits and many others.
> >
> > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares
> > available?
> >
> > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
really
> > want Aerostar to be successful.
> >
> > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
smoking
> > something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Got one thanks. You?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
Sent: 17 January 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
Jorgen........ go get a life !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> about
> the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues,
> picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc
> etc.
>
> Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl.
> Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts,
> refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of
> other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
>
> I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> confirms there is no product support.
>
> 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
>
> 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled
> with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> isn't
> Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> "cowl
> mount overhaul kit"?
>
> Hell lets not stop there. How about...
>
> 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> replacement
> kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> kit",
> "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
>
> I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of
> these kits and many others.
>
> Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares
> available?
>
> Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really
> want Aerostar to be successful.
>
> Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking
> something?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Actually I think Jorgen makes a very good point.
It is not reasonable to ask that kind of money for an aircraft that is
not certified and has no support program what-so-ever in this country,
and does not go out of their way to support products that they have sold
in the past.
This is not to say that I believe they are bad people. Every single
instance where I have had contact with them, they have been as helpful
as they are physically able to be and I truly consider them to be "good
folk", but the fact remains that a Cessna Parts Center they are
not....which is part of the package when you are paying 50-80 thousand
dollars for an airplane, or even 120,000. What I mean by that is that
when you are getting an airplane as good as a YAK-52 for under 100,000
dollars, then NOT having support is part of the price you have to pay in
order to get an airplane that good, that cheaply.
In my humble opinion though... When you pass 1/4 MILLION for an
airplane, you better start producing not only a wonderful airplane, but
a parts program and service center to stand behind it, and I am not even
mentioning "certification".
Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about
the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of the
pudding will be in the sales.
Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would be
the latter.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
Jorgen........ go get a life !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> about
> the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support
issues,
> picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc
etc
> etc.
>
> Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
cowl.
> Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making
parts,
> refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots
of
> other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
>
> I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> confirms there is no product support.
>
> 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
>
> 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration
coupled
> with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> isn't
> Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
> "cowl
> mount overhaul kit"?
>
> Hell lets not stop there. How about...
>
> 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> replacement
> kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> kit",
> "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
>
> I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the
contents of
> these kits and many others.
>
> Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are
spares
> available?
>
> Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
really
> want Aerostar to be successful.
>
> Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
smoking
> something?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
Mark
P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck
and run.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to
change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a
YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10
gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers).
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
appropriate :>)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
No kidding!
10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and 800mmHg.
But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for about
20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed after an
hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 gallons in an
hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not know what that
burn would be.
Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
togather.
Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly Yaks
with me will all testify to that.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
>
> Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
>
> Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
>
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck
> and run.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to
> change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a
> YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10
> gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers).
> Doc
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
> prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
> reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
> replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
>
> Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> appropriate :>)
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices etc |
Just saw a T-34 listed at $160K. In this price range, the betting pilot could buy:
- Said T-34
- A nice T-6
- A fair T-28
- A good low-time -52TW
- A primo, tricked out CJ-6
- A super special -52TD with glass panels
- A good stock CJ-6 + a decent Yak with M-14P in your flavor (-18T/-50/-52/-53/-55)
- An acre's worth of MiGs
- 1/2 of a nice L-39
Place your bets.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
Like I said, I believe everything you have said....
You have an M-14 that burns less than any other I have ever had
experience with. Which makes me wonder if it just might be running a
little lean! :-)
I do envy those numbers though... Make no mistake!
Mark
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 17:16
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
No kidding!
10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and
800mmHg.
But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for
about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed
after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16
gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not
know what that burn would be.
Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
togather.
Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly
Yaks with me will all testify to that.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> --> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
>
> Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
>
> Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
>
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was
> tuck and run.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have
> to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle
> up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on
> just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50
drivers).
> Doc
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
> prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
> reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
> replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
>
> Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> appropriate :>)
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
Haha.. those bombs on his wings are about 1gal/hr speed breaks.. hehe
But lets be honest, you do not fly round engines to save gas, nor do you fly
a Yak to go fast.. go get a Mooney if you want that stuff.. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
No kidding!
10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and 800mmHg.
But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for about
20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed after an
hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 gallons in an
hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not know what that
burn would be.
Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
togather.
Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly Yaks
with me will all testify to that.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
>
> Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
>
> Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
>
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck
> and run.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to
> change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a
> YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10
> gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers).
> Doc
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
> prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
> reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
> replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
>
> Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> appropriate :>)
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
Mark,
She's not running lean. The stacks are more blackish gray. The cylinder
head temps are in the green 160-170's at 70% , 180's @ 80%. We just did the
auto plug and racing wire conversion. If she was running lean, my cylinder
head temps would be running higher. These temps were recorded on days the
were 75-78 degrees here in the southeast receintly.
This engines sips fuel. I have the fuel slips to prove it. It was rebuilt
at Shakety in 2004 before being shipped over here. Fuel pressure is set at
0.4. I have not done anything else to this engine. I did replace the fuel
lines because of the flapper that obstructed the fine fuel filter in the
carb causing the engine to flame out at 50 feet on take off about 4 months
ago.
I flew an hour and 20 minutes the other day and burned 17 gallons. The
majority of the flight was at 2500 ft, 65% and 600 mmHg indicating 138 kts.
I did some 360's over the farm on a aerial photo sortie then RTB'd to 08A
deviating over Russell to make some low approaches near Talon's/ Tim's
hanger two Saturdays ago. No, I did not have the power pushed up except
when doing the low approaches. I was more interested in getting the photo's
back onto the computer to setup a recon. This being to setup a stalk on a
huge gray ghost buck that has smartly setup his lyre so he can scent check
does going to a green field and control the high ground observing
everything that approaches from the creek bottoms. So after saying all
that, I was not pushing my 50 at all. Well except when I decided to harass
Tim and Talon while they were putting Talon's 52TW back togather!
As Talon said, we are not flying YAK's to save fuel nor are we flying them
to go fast just as the song goes, "Just want to have some fun". Yeah I
know, it really goes girls just want to have some fun. Whatever...these
YAKs are alot of fun!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 5:57:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Like I said, I believe everything you have said....
>
> You have an M-14 that burns less than any other I have ever had
> experience with. Which makes me wonder if it just might be running a
> little lean! :-)
>
> I do envy those numbers though... Make no mistake!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any
> attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may
> contain information, which is confidential to, and/or priviledge in
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> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and
> destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. Thank
> you.
> >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 17:16
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> No kidding!
> 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
> 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
> Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and
> 800mmHg.
> But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for
> about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed
> after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16
> gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not
> know what that burn would be.
> Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
> togather.
> Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly
> Yaks with me will all testify to that.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> > --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
> >
> > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
> >
> > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was
> > tuck and run.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have
> > to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle
>
> > up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on
> > just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50
> drivers).
> > Doc
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> > To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> >
> > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
>
> > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
>
> > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
>
> > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
> >
> > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> > appropriate :>)
> >
> >
> > Craig Payne
> > cpayne@joimail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
Yooh Mark,
Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet!
You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14!
If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a Rocket!
Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the Radial
Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance of the
radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for that! Only
a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them with air under
my ass than picking sheet metal slivers!
Doc
> Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about
> the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of the
> pudding will be in the sales.
>
> Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would be
> the latter.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Jorgen........ go get a life !
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts
> > about
> > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support
> issues,
> > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc
> etc
> > etc.
> >
> > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
> cowl.
> > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making
> parts,
> > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots
> of
> > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
> >
> > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and
> > confirms there is no product support.
> >
> > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
> >
> > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration
> coupled
> > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why
> > isn't
> > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a
>
> > "cowl
> > mount overhaul kit"?
> >
> > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
> >
> > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> > replacement
> > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul
> > kit",
> > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
> >
> > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the
> contents of
> > these kits and many others.
> >
> > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are
> spares
> > available?
> >
> > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
> really
> > want Aerostar to be successful.
> >
> > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
> smoking
> > something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle Body???? |
Gentlemen, Question, Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the
M-14P to replace the pressure carburator?? I have used them on smaller engines,
and they work very well, also very reliable...
Gary Gabbard
CJ, N22YK
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| Subject: | Ellison Throttle Body???? |
Gentlemen, Question, Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the
M-14P to replace the pressure carburator?? I have used them on smaller engines,
and they work very well, also very reliable...
Gary Gabbard
CJ, N22YK
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| Subject: | CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal |
Can anyone direct me to a source for the Y-shaped rubber seal used to help
seal the lower edge of the rear canopy on a CJ? The seal I had on the left side
has blown off and I need to replace it. Can't locate the source from whom I
purchased it. Should have kept notes. Thanks, Blitz
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