---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/17/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Rob Kent) 2. 12:59 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (kp) 3. 05:35 AM - Yak prices (Stephen Fox) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Roger Kemp) 5. 07:05 AM - Engine prices etc (Jerry Painter) 6. 07:12 AM - Re: CJ Power Options (Jim Bernier) 7. 12:07 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Jorgen Nielsen) 8. 12:07 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Jorgen Nielsen) 9. 01:39 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 10. 01:42 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 11. 02:17 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Roger Kemp) 12. 02:45 PM - Re: Engine prices etc (Craig Payne) 13. 03:41 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 14. 06:52 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (David McGirt) 15. 08:13 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Roger Kemp) 16. 08:22 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Roger Kemp) 17. 08:33 PM - Ellison Throttle Body???? (ggg6@att.net) 18. 08:34 PM - Ellison Throttle Body???? (ggg6@att.net) 19. 10:25 PM - CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal (ByronMFox@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:06 AM PST US From: "Rob Kent" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Jorgen, >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required. As a business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these T-slot bushes missing. As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals, circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although not all) trim parts. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 825 975 Mob: +44 7842 964 358 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > about > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > etc. > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > confirms there is no product support. > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > isn't > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > "cowl > mount overhaul kit"? > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > replacement > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > kit", > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > these kits and many others. > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > available? > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > want Aerostar to be successful. > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > something? > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:56 AM PST US From: "kp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Jorgen........ go get a life ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > about > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > etc. > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > confirms there is no product support. > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > isn't > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > "cowl > mount overhaul kit"? > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > replacement > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > kit", > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > these kits and many others. > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > available? > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > want Aerostar to be successful. > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > something? > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:47 AM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Yak-List: Yak prices Ok there has been a discussion about the Yak 52TW increase to $285K (US), but what about the Yak 52TD. Is there a similar increase on the horizon? Mark Jefferies, you can probably best answer this question. Steve ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:16 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits I definately have to say, for 50 parts Rob has had them when I could not find them anywhere else and needed them yesterday! Just wish the shipping across the pond were a little cheaper. Guess we all have to pay the cost of increased fuel cost though one way or another. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Rob Kent > To: YAK USA LIST > Date: 1/17/2007 2:36:12 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > Jorgen, > > >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required. As a > business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the > first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these > T-slot bushes missing. > As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you > will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals, > circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although not > all) trim parts. > > Regards > > Rob Kent > Stores Manager > WLAC - Russian Engineering > www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk > > Tel: +44 1628 829 165 > Fax: +44 1628 825 975 > Mob: +44 7842 964 358 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorgen Nielsen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > > > > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > > about > > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > > etc. > > > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > > confirms there is no product support. > > > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > > isn't > > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > > "cowl > > mount overhaul kit"? > > > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > > replacement > > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > > kit", > > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > > these kits and many others. > > > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > > available? > > > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > > want Aerostar to be successful. > > > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > > something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:12 AM PST US From: "Jerry Painter" Subject: Yak-List: Engine prices etc Now that M-14's are getting expensive, makes R-985's look more and more appealing. You can buy a fresh overhauled engine outright for about $30K from several suppliers, complete with real warranty, parts and service readily available locally and online etc. I wonder how George Coy is doi ng with the lower power M-14 variants billed as Continental and Kinner replacements etc. Also Air Repair is selling "new" Jacobs engines at ver y reasonable prices. Much as I love CJ's, -52's etc the end of the low-pri ce tunnel may be coming into view. Get 'em while they're still cheap! $285 K for a 52TW is still cheap compared to what a new T-34 would cost...We're just used to fire sale prices we all knew couldn't last. I'd love to build an R-985 powered Samson some fine day...surprised there aren't more experimentals using US round engines. Jerry Painter Wild Blue Aviation ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:16 AM PST US From: "Jim Bernier" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Power Options Craig A friend, Carl Fratus, built a biplane using a Chevy 400 ci / 400 hp with reduction gearing. He had a difficult time finding the correct prop for it. Never did work out. When the HS6A became available and cheap he bought one with prop from Marcus Bates. Placed it on his homebuilt and for the first time it flew great. It you wish to pursue the chevy approach contact Marcus Bates Jr. He can get you started and then some. He was a good friend of Carl Fratus. Jim B >>> cpayne@joimail.com 1/16/2007 4:40 PM >>> As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something appropriate :>) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:07 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Agreed doc. Every time I have asked Rob for something he has had it - and have previously paid more in shipping than for the parts for something of lowish value. Rob yes thank. I was reflecting on the view in the states that the guys were talking about, and also product support directly from Aerostar, and through their dealers. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: 17 January 2007 04:05 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits I definately have to say, for 50 parts Rob has had them when I could not find them anywhere else and needed them yesterday! Just wish the shipping across the pond were a little cheaper. Guess we all have to pay the cost of increased fuel cost though one way or another. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Rob Kent > To: YAK USA LIST > Date: 1/17/2007 2:36:12 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > Jorgen, > > >From my point of view I only purchase parts which I know are required. As a > business I cannot afford to stock parts which will not sell. This is the > first time in 6 years working with these Yaks that I have heard of these > T-slot bushes missing. > As for item 3. I usually have in stock all the aileron bearing/bolts you > will ever need, undercarraige bushes, replacement brake cables, seals, > circlips and other actuator components as well as a number of (although not > all) trim parts. > > Regards > > Rob Kent > Stores Manager > WLAC - Russian Engineering > www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk > > Tel: +44 1628 829 165 > Fax: +44 1628 825 975 > Mob: +44 7842 964 358 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorgen Nielsen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > > > > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > > about > > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > > etc. > > > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > > confirms there is no product support. > > > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > > isn't > > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > > "cowl > > mount overhaul kit"? > > > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > > replacement > > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > > kit", > > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > > these kits and many others. > > > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > > available? > > > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > > want Aerostar to be successful. > > > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > > something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:07 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Got one thanks. You? -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp Sent: 17 January 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Jorgen........ go get a life ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > about > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > etc. > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > confirms there is no product support. > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > isn't > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > "cowl > mount overhaul kit"? > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > replacement > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > kit", > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > these kits and many others. > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > available? > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > want Aerostar to be successful. > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > something? > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Actually I think Jorgen makes a very good point. It is not reasonable to ask that kind of money for an aircraft that is not certified and has no support program what-so-ever in this country, and does not go out of their way to support products that they have sold in the past. This is not to say that I believe they are bad people. Every single instance where I have had contact with them, they have been as helpful as they are physically able to be and I truly consider them to be "good folk", but the fact remains that a Cessna Parts Center they are not....which is part of the package when you are paying 50-80 thousand dollars for an airplane, or even 120,000. What I mean by that is that when you are getting an airplane as good as a YAK-52 for under 100,000 dollars, then NOT having support is part of the price you have to pay in order to get an airplane that good, that cheaply. In my humble opinion though... When you pass 1/4 MILLION for an airplane, you better start producing not only a wonderful airplane, but a parts program and service center to stand behind it, and I am not even mentioning "certification". Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of the pudding will be in the sales. Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would be the latter. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Jorgen........ go get a life ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > about > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support issues, > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc etc > etc. > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the cowl. > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making parts, > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots of > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > confirms there is no product support. > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration coupled > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > isn't > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > "cowl > mount overhaul kit"? > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > replacement > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > kit", > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the contents of > these kits and many others. > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are spares > available? > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I really > want Aerostar to be successful. > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am smoking > something? > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" TEN GALLONS AN HOUR? Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm.... Maybe there is something wrong with my 50. Mark P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck and run. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19 Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers). Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: yak-list Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something appropriate :>) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:58 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options No kidding! 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and 800mmHg. But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not know what that burn would be. Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation togather. Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly Yaks with me will all testify to that. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > To: > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > MALS-14 64E" > > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR? > > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm.... > > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50. > > > Mark > > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck > and run. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to > change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a > YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10 > gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers). > Doc > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Payne > To: yak-list > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. > > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something > appropriate :>) > > > Craig Payne > cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:06 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Engine prices etc Just saw a T-34 listed at $160K. In this price range, the betting pilot could buy: - Said T-34 - A nice T-6 - A fair T-28 - A good low-time -52TW - A primo, tricked out CJ-6 - A super special -52TD with glass panels - A good stock CJ-6 + a decent Yak with M-14P in your flavor (-18T/-50/-52/-53/-55) - An acre's worth of MiGs - 1/2 of a nice L-39 Place your bets. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:08 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Like I said, I believe everything you have said.... You have an M-14 that burns less than any other I have ever had experience with. Which makes me wonder if it just might be running a little lean! :-) I do envy those numbers though... Make no mistake! Mark >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information, which is confidential to, and/or priviledge in favor of NATEC and its affiliates or customers. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 17:16 Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options No kidding! 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and 800mmHg. But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not know what that burn would be. Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation togather. Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly Yaks with me will all testify to that. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > To: > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > --> Point, MALS-14 64E" > > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR? > > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm.... > > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50. > > > Mark > > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was > tuck and run. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have > to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle > up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on > just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers). > Doc > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Payne > To: yak-list > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. > > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something > appropriate :>) > > > Craig Payne > cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:25 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options Haha.. those bombs on his wings are about 1gal/hr speed breaks.. hehe But lets be honest, you do not fly round engines to save gas, nor do you fly a Yak to go fast.. go get a Mooney if you want that stuff.. :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options No kidding! 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and 800mmHg. But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not know what that burn would be. Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation togather. Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly Yaks with me will all testify to that. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > To: > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > MALS-14 64E" > > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR? > > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm.... > > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50. > > > Mark > > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was tuck > and run. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have to > change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle up a > YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on just 10 > gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 drivers). > Doc > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Payne > To: yak-list > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. > > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something > appropriate :>) > > > Craig Payne > cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:26 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options Mark, She's not running lean. The stacks are more blackish gray. The cylinder head temps are in the green 160-170's at 70% , 180's @ 80%. We just did the auto plug and racing wire conversion. If she was running lean, my cylinder head temps would be running higher. These temps were recorded on days the were 75-78 degrees here in the southeast receintly. This engines sips fuel. I have the fuel slips to prove it. It was rebuilt at Shakety in 2004 before being shipped over here. Fuel pressure is set at 0.4. I have not done anything else to this engine. I did replace the fuel lines because of the flapper that obstructed the fine fuel filter in the carb causing the engine to flame out at 50 feet on take off about 4 months ago. I flew an hour and 20 minutes the other day and burned 17 gallons. The majority of the flight was at 2500 ft, 65% and 600 mmHg indicating 138 kts. I did some 360's over the farm on a aerial photo sortie then RTB'd to 08A deviating over Russell to make some low approaches near Talon's/ Tim's hanger two Saturdays ago. No, I did not have the power pushed up except when doing the low approaches. I was more interested in getting the photo's back onto the computer to setup a recon. This being to setup a stalk on a huge gray ghost buck that has smartly setup his lyre so he can scent check does going to a green field and control the high ground observing everything that approaches from the creek bottoms. So after saying all that, I was not pushing my 50 at all. Well except when I decided to harass Tim and Talon while they were putting Talon's 52TW back togather! As Talon said, we are not flying YAK's to save fuel nor are we flying them to go fast just as the song goes, "Just want to have some fun". Yeah I know, it really goes girls just want to have some fun. Whatever...these YAKs are alot of fun! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > To: > Date: 1/17/2007 5:57:37 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > MALS-14 64E" > > Like I said, I believe everything you have said.... > > You have an M-14 that burns less than any other I have ever had > experience with. Which makes me wonder if it just might be running a > little lean! :-) > > I do envy those numbers though... Make no mistake! > > Mark > > > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain information, which is confidential to, and/or priviledge in > favor of NATEC and its affiliates or customers. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. Thank > you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 17:16 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > No kidding! > 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg > 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG > Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and > 800mmHg. > But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for > about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed > after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16 > gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not > know what that burn would be. > Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation > togather. > Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly > Yaks with me will all testify to that. > Doc > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > > > To: > > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > > --> Point, > MALS-14 64E" > > > > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR? > > > > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm.... > > > > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50. > > > > > > Mark > > > > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My > > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was > > tuck and run. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19 > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have > > to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle > > > up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on > > just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50 > drivers). > > Doc > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Craig Payne > > To: yak-list > > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM > > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options > > > > > > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy > > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT > > > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a > > > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is > > > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up. > > > > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something > > appropriate :>) > > > > > > Craig Payne > > cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:53 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits Yooh Mark, Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet! You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14! If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a Rocket! Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the Radial Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance of the radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for that! Only a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them with air under my ass than picking sheet metal slivers! Doc > Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about > the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of the > pudding will be in the sales. > > Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would be > the latter. > > Mark Bitterlich > N50YK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > Jorgen........ go get a life ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorgen Nielsen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits > > > > > > > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of posts > > about > > the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about support > issues, > > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks, etc > etc > > etc. > > > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the > cowl. > > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making > parts, > > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen lots > of > > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so. > > > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem and > > confirms there is no product support. > > > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative? > > > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration > coupled > > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis, why > > isn't > > Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and producing a > > > "cowl > > mount overhaul kit"? > > > > Hell lets not stop there. How about... > > > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush > > replacement > > kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage actuator overhaul > > kit", > > "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc. > > > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the > contents of > > these kits and many others. > > > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are > spares > > available? > > > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I > really > > want Aerostar to be successful. > > > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am > smoking > > something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:22 PM PST US From: ggg6@att.net Subject: Yak-List: Ellison Throttle Body???? Gentlemen, Question, Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the M-14P to replace the pressure carburator?? I have used them on smaller engines, and they work very well, also very reliable... Gary Gabbard CJ, N22YK
Gentlemen,  Question,  Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the M-14P to replace the pressure carburator??  I have used them on smaller engines, and they work very well, also very reliable...
 
Gary Gabbard
CJ,  N22YK
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:03 PM PST US From: ggg6@att.net Subject: Yak-List: Ellison Throttle Body???? Gentlemen, Question, Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the M-14P to replace the pressure carburator?? I have used them on smaller engines, and they work very well, also very reliable... Gary Gabbard CJ, N22YK
Gentlemen,  Question,  Has anyone ever installed an Ellison Throttle Body on the M-14P to replace the pressure carburator??  I have used them on smaller engines, and they work very well, also very reliable...
 
Gary Gabbard
CJ,  N22YK
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:04 PM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal Can anyone direct me to a source for the Y-shaped rubber seal used to help seal the lower edge of the rear canopy on a CJ? The seal I had on the left side has blown off and I need to replace it. Can't locate the source from whom I purchased it. Should have kept notes. Thanks, Blitz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.