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1. 01:20 AM - YAK Prices. (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
2. 01:31 AM - history made (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
3. 01:46 AM - Re: history made (kp)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: Yak prices (Cornel Gazdaru)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 05:25 AM - Re: Engine prices etc (cdustercc)
7. 06:42 AM - YAK-52TD (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
8. 07:11 AM - Yak Scuttlebutt (Jill Gernetzke)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal (Blitz Fox)
10. 12:55 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 12:58 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
12. 01:02 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits (netmaster15@juno.com)
14. 07:04 PM - Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville (Andy Hawes)
15. 07:53 PM - Re: history made (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 08:09 PM - Re: Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville (LawnDart)
17. 09:48 PM - Re: CJ Power Options (Ron Davis)
18. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville (Yak Pilot)
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Hi Steve.
We have not changed the prices of the 52TD its priced in Euro. This is now
more expensive against the USD though. See below.
Perhaps you missed my post 2 days ago. The TW price rise is mainly down to
the USD losing its value on the world market. Ie your economy is not doing
so well as it was. The USD has gone from .86 to 1.32 to the Euro. This
makes the USD worth less money so "we" want more of them.
We do expect to increase our prices soon as the EU legislation bites and the
standards of living increase.
Hope that helps explain some of the Aerostar predicament.
Time:
05:35:47 AM PST US
From:
Stephen Fox <steve.fox@mac.com>
Subject:
Yak prices
Ok there has been a discussion about the Yak 52TW increase to $285K
(US), but what about the Yak 52TD. Is there a similar increase on the
horizon?
Mark Jefferies, you can probably best answer this question.
Steve
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On Monday 15th January 2007 the very first occasion in Europe a YAK 18A and
CJ6 flew together in formation. Attached picture. Has this been done in USA
with the 18, 18A and CJ6?
P1 was in the back seat of the 18A before you ask !!
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| Subject: | Re: history made |
P1 looks suspiciously like MJ............
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mj@yakuk.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: history made
> On Monday 15th January 2007 the very first occasion in Europe a YAK 18A
> and
> CJ6 flew together in formation. Attached picture. Has this been done in
> USA
> with the 18, 18A and CJ6?
>
>
> P1 was in the back seat of the 18A before you ask !!
>
>
> Mark Jefferies for YAK <http://www.yakuk.com> UK Ltd
> Lt Gransden Airfield <http://www.yakuk.com/EGMJ.asp>
> Sandy, Beds
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Steve
The YAK52 conversion kit is somewhre around US$ 70k to75k. The cost has
still to be worked out in detail.
That includes the kit priced in euros and shipping two way (the old
wings need replacement). A significant part of the cost goes to
subcontractors for inspection and overhaul according to Termikas so
there is little margin to reduce the cost.
Thjen you still have to reassemble the wings and repaint
Overall a modified YAK52 to YAK52TD ends up in the range US$ 140k to
US$150k.
Some savings can be made if multiple orders are shipped at the same time
but so far only two YAK52TDs were brought into US;
I was actually looking into importing, finishing the kit here and
supporting it for the long term.
Anybody interested in participating in such an enterprise?
Everybody says YAK52TD is a beautiful airrplane. Maybe there is some
interest out there
Cornel
416-671-2901
cgazdaru@aeromechanica.ca
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal |
Blitz,
Aircraft Spruce part no. 05-01300
Hard to find on the websiteit is listed under rubber channel
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/uchannel.php
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices etc |
Hey Jerry,
The 985 is the second best deal in aviation today right behind the A-65 continental
which can be had on ocassion for $2500-$3500.
Some of my prospective Broussard buyers have wanted to know the overhaul or replacement
cost of the engine and I have been very plesantly suprised. There is
a "lost logs" but fresh overhauled 985 advertised right now for $12,000 OBO!
Several months ago there was a 600 hour engine for $7,000 outright. I also
recieved a flyer from Ron Deck at Sky Tractor Supply that listed Covington and
Aero 985s for $27,000 on an exchange basis. In my opinion, that is a very good
value for one of the best radial engines ever built. I would have to imagine
that since most all commercial operators (with the exception of the Alaska
Beaver operators) have quit using the 985, a lot of price pressure has been lifted.
Craig Craft
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88559#88559
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Gents, I forgot to say. We have a YAK-52TD in stock that the buyer paid
deposit on and now cant raise the necessary to complete. Its priced at
105,000 Euro. (plus packing and shipping) Higher spec than the "standard"
TD. Its P1 rear seat, 400hp, light weight alternator and other "stuff"
If interested please contact of exploder.
Mark Jefferies for YAK <http://www.yakuk.com> UK Ltd
Lt Gransden Airfield <http://www.yakuk.com/EGMJ.asp>
Sandy, Beds
SG19 3BP - England
Conditions of business <http://www.yakuk.com/cob.doc>
00 44 1767 651 156 ph
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I would like to add to the recent discussion about Aerostar, pricing of
Yaks, Ws/TWs and support of the product. I wholeheartedly agree with
Mark that the Aerostar factory has not made support of the Yaks a
priority. This has necessitated the ability to anticipate my parts
needs 1-2 years in advance. Most of the time this is not a problem
because I have the practical experience working on these airplanes and
I know where the parts issues lie.
I am not joking when I tell a customer it could be 6 months ' 1 year
before his/her parts will arrive.
In the U.S., we are fortunate to have the ability to fabricate and
manufacture what we need for our Yaks. Not a problem? Who wants to
spend the money??? M-14P, Inc. manufactures almost all of the engine
gaskets for the M-14P. Cheap parts? I must pay an average of $150 die
charge per gasket. Count the number of gaskets on the engine. Before
anyone starts to spout off about making cheap parts, look at the full
picture. Ditto for crush washers and locktabs that we are
manufacturing.
We have been working for 3 years on the magneto coil rewinding issue.
We finally have it solved and are able to rewind coils. I cannot put a
dollar amount on the number hours and dollars spent on this project.
We grew tired of placing orders with the Vpered prop factory and
receiving nothing. We are now in the midst of flight-testing our own
replacement carbon fiber blades. Believe me, the price will be
reasonable and STABLE.
This business is not for the faint of heart. Just take a look around
and see how many operators have come and gone. Money would be spent
more wisely investing in the stock market. I do this because I like
the challenge, believe in the product, care about our customers and
make money along the way.
I also carry things as obscure as the little felt wiper in the shimmy
dampener cap or the little keeper on the actuators. We rebuild the
Russian hoses, hydrostatically test air bottles, rebuild all actuators,
flap/gear valves, fuel pumps, air compressors, prop hubs=85. the list
goes on.
The engine is another story. We have been performing prop strike
teardown inspections and hydraulic lock repairs for years. This year
we will be doing full overhauls on the M-14P with improvements. People
can expect the minimum price of a full overhaul to cost $15,000 '
18,000.
About five years ago, the Yak Design Bureau looked at manufacturing the
Yak 52 in Russia and determined the cost would be around $175K USD and
determined there wasn=92t enough of a market. Alas, at $285K there
isn=92t
one either.
I beg to differ with Dennis on the issue of the 'W and 'TW. I don=92t
think the failure is a warranty issue. I think you are dealing with a
second-generation product that was not as well engineered. I believe
that the quality of the product is not as high as the stock Yak 52. I
may get myself in hot water with this statement, but it is based on
years of feedback and experience from these owners. Vacuum pumps were
mounted off of the tach drive unit with no forethought to the vibration
loads it would suffer. The 'TW has been wracked with cooling issues.
The US instruments are not of the quality of the Russian ones ' they
simply don=92t hold up. A Yak 52W is not a Yak 52 is not a 52TW, so
don=92t hold it to that standard.
I do agree with Dennis on the product support issue. It is not there.
There have been Russian companies that we have steadfastly refused to
do business with because they have no customer or product support. In
all fairness, to ask them to jump into a capitalist way of doing
business after years under the yoke of communism is a leap. That is
like asking a man to think like a woman! ; )
My word of advice is the same as the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared. If
you plan to keep your airplane for any length of time, build up a mini
spares cache. I had one friend that I accused of building an entire
Yak 52 because he had purchased so many spare parts from me.
I still think the Yak 52 is one of the best things since sliced bread!
P.S. I wanted to apologize for the Group getting my e-mail out of
office reply, two weeks ago. I had no idea the Yaklist was in that
reply. Menya ochen zhal!
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401 -7417
(928)-681-4400
Fax(928)681-4404
www.m-14p.com (New website to be published next week!)
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| Subject: | CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal |
You're going to heaven, Jeff! Many thanks, Blitz
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Sent: 1/18/07 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Rubber Rear Canopy Seal
Blitz,
Aircraft Spruce part no. 05-01300
Hard to find on the websiteit is listed under rubber channel
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/uchannel.php
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
Weeeellllll.... You're right.... More or less.
But..... I have to say that I am pretty darn happy with the speed of my
50, but I also admit that I ignore the "recommended power settings" and
typically "cruise" between 80 and even 85 per cent. Time will tell
whether I "abused" the engine or not, but I am passing 700 hours now
with no major issues. When I cruised at 70%, I started having lead
deposits form on the exhaust valves. Anyway.... I don't think 160 knots
or so is slow... But speed is all a matter of perspective I guess.
Speaking of speed.... I see the listed top speed for the YAK-52TW as 200
MPH at WOT. I find that hard to believe. I wonder if a TW owner might
jump in and verify that speed or tell the truth. Either/Or
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 21:52
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
Haha.. those bombs on his wings are about 1gal/hr speed breaks.. hehe
But lets be honest, you do not fly round engines to save gas, nor do you
fly a Yak to go fast.. go get a Mooney if you want that stuff.. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
No kidding!
10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and
800mmHg.
But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for
about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed
after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16
gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not
know what that burn would be.
Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
togather.
Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly
Yaks with me will all testify to that.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> --> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
>
> Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
>
> Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
>
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was
> tuck and run.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not have
> to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance saddle
> up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on
> just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50
drivers).
> Doc
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT
> prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
> reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
> replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
>
> Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> appropriate :>)
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Power Options |
DOC! I believe you!
I just can't quite figure out why there is such a wide variation between
aircraft.
Mark
P.s. Sounds like you had fun!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 23:11
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
Mark,
She's not running lean. The stacks are more blackish gray. The cylinder
head temps are in the green 160-170's at 70% , 180's @ 80%. We just did
the auto plug and racing wire conversion. If she was running lean, my
cylinder head temps would be running higher. These temps were recorded
on days the were 75-78 degrees here in the southeast receintly.
This engines sips fuel. I have the fuel slips to prove it. It was
rebuilt at Shakety in 2004 before being shipped over here. Fuel pressure
is set at 0.4. I have not done anything else to this engine. I did
replace the fuel lines because of the flapper that obstructed the fine
fuel filter in the carb causing the engine to flame out at 50 feet on
take off about 4 months ago.
I flew an hour and 20 minutes the other day and burned 17 gallons. The
majority of the flight was at 2500 ft, 65% and 600 mmHg indicating 138
kts.
I did some 360's over the farm on a aerial photo sortie then RTB'd to
08A deviating over Russell to make some low approaches near Talon's/
Tim's hanger two Saturdays ago. No, I did not have the power pushed up
except when doing the low approaches. I was more interested in getting
the photo's back onto the computer to setup a recon. This being to setup
a stalk on a huge gray ghost buck that has smartly setup his lyre so he
can scent check does going to a green field and control the high ground
observing everything that approaches from the creek bottoms. So after
saying all that, I was not pushing my 50 at all. Well except when I
decided to harass Tim and Talon while they were putting Talon's 52TW
back togather!
As Talon said, we are not flying YAK's to save fuel nor are we flying
them to go fast just as the song goes, "Just want to have some fun".
Yeah I know, it really goes girls just want to have some fun.
Whatever...these YAKs are alot of fun!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2007 5:57:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
> --> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Like I said, I believe everything you have said....
>
> You have an M-14 that burns less than any other I have ever had
> experience with. Which makes me wonder if it just might be running a
> little lean! :-)
>
> I do envy those numbers though... Make no mistake!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 17:16
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
>
>
> No kidding!
> 10 to 10.5 gph at 65% and 600 mmHg
> 11-12 gph @ 70% and 700 mmHG
> Have not check the fuel in the tanks after flying 1 hour @ 80% and
> 800mmHg.
> But, the last time I flew part of the profile at 80% and 800 mmHg for
> about 20 min doing acro then broke it of to do a river run. I landed
> after an hour and put 16 gallons in. I have yet to see more that 16
> gallons in an hour. I have not taken her cross country yet so I do not
> know what that burn would be.
> Dennis Savarese gripes about my fuel burn everytime we fly formation
> togather.
> Don't have to believe me, Dennis and a couple of other guys that fly
> Yaks with me will all testify to that.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 1/17/2007 4:00:19 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> > --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > TEN GALLONS AN HOUR?
> >
> > Doc, I agree with most things you say... But umm....
> >
> > Maybe there is something wrong with my 50.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > P.s. Agreed that is there is not much that will turn with a 50. My
> > buddy in a Cirrus 22 tried it the other day... All he could do was
> > tuck and run.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 23:19
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> > Don't need any help. It came with a strong engine and we did not
> > have to change out a 260 to get it! Now if you want real performance
> > saddle
>
> > up a YAK-50. The 50 will fly circles around that M-14 equiped CJ on
> > just 10 gal/hour! So, bring that super CJ and come turn with us (50
> drivers).
> > Doc
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
> > To: yak-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: 1/16/2007 4:48:14 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
> >
> >
> > As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy
> > V-8 would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an
> > MT
>
> > prop? Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with
> > a
>
> > reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round
> > is
>
> > replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
> >
> > Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
> > appropriate :>)
> >
> >
> > Craig Payne
> > cpayne@joimail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
The "factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently sold on the open market.
Had all the modern avionics and "other stuff" that was recently listed
on the new TW. It sold for less than the TW asking prices, thus my
comparison. Agreed, it would be nice if the gear retracted... But then
consider the savings in insurance because it does not! The 50 will out
turn and out perform the Rocket in a dogfight... But not in a straight
line! Wow is that thing FAST!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 23:23
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
Yooh Mark,
Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet!
You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14!
If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a
Rocket!
Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the
Radial Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance
of the radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for
that! Only a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them
with air under my ass than picking sheet metal slivers!
Doc
> Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about
> the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of
> the pudding will be in the sales.
>
> Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would
be
> the latter.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Jorgen........ go get a life !
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of
> > posts about the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about
> > support
> issues,
> > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks,
> > etc
> etc
> > etc.
> >
> > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
> cowl.
> > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making
> parts,
> > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen
> > lots
> of
> > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
> >
> > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem
> > and confirms there is no product support.
> >
> > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
> >
> > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration
> coupled
> > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis,
> > why isn't Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and
> > producing a
>
> > "cowl
> > mount overhaul kit"?
> >
> > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
> >
> > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> > replacement kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage
> > actuator overhaul kit", "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
> >
> > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the
> contents of
> > these kits and many others.
> >
> > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are
> spares
> > available?
> >
> > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
> really
> > want Aerostar to be successful.
> >
> > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
> smoking
> > something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits |
HI Mark,
Doyou have any idea as to the actual sale price of the Radial Rocket?. D
id you ever get -to fly it? I''ve got a brand new PF in the crate, in r
eserve for that little screamer. What prop did they hang on it when it s
old?
Regards, CLIFF
:
, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The "factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently sold on the open market.
Had all the modern avionics and "other stuff" that was recently listed
on the new TW. It sold for less than the TW asking prices, thus my
comparison. Agreed, it would be nice if the gear retracted... But then
consider the savings in insurance because it does not! The 50 will out
turn and out perform the Rocket in a dogfight... But not in a straight
line! Wow is that thing FAST!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 23:23
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
Yooh Mark,
Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet!
You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14!
If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a
Rocket!
Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the
Radial Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance
of the radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for
that! Only a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them
with air under my ass than picking sheet metal slivers!
Doc
> Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about
> the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of
> the pudding will be in the sales.
>
> Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would
be
> the latter.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Jorgen........ go get a life !
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of
> > posts about the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about
> > support
> issues,
> > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks,
> > etc
> etc
> > etc.
> >
> > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
> cowl.
> > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making
> parts,
> > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen
> > lots
> of
> > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so.
> >
> > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem
> > and confirms there is no product support.
> >
> > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
> >
> > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration
> coupled
> > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis,
> > why isn't Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, and
> > producing a
>
> > "cowl
> > mount overhaul kit"?
> >
> > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
> >
> > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
> > replacement kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage
> > actuator overhaul kit", "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
> >
> > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the
> contents of
> > these kits and many others.
> >
> > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are
> spares
> > available?
> >
> > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
> really
> > want Aerostar to be successful.
> >
> > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
> smoking
> > something?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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<html><P>HI Mark, </P>
<P>Doyou have any idea as to the actual sale price of the Radial Rocket?
. Did you ever get -to fly it? I''ve got a brand new PF in the cra
te, in reserve for that little screamer. What prop did they hang on
it when it sold?</P>
<P>Regards, CLIFF</P>
<P>:<BR>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bit
terlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, 
;MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil><BR><BR>The 
;"factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently&nb
sp;sold on the open market.<BR>Had all the
modern avionics and "other stuff" that&nb
sp;was recently listed<BR>on the new TW. &
nbsp;It sold for less than the TW ask
ing prices, thus my<BR>comparison. Agreed,&nbs
p;it would be nice if the gear retrac
ted... But then<BR>consider the savings in 
;insurance because it does not! The
50 will out<BR>turn and out perform the&nb
sp;Rocket in a dogfight... But not in 
;a straight<BR>line! Wow is that thing&nb
sp;FAST! <BR><BR>Mark<BR> <BR><BR>-----Original Mes
sage-----<BR>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com<BR>[mailto:o
wner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rog
er Kemp<BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007&nb
sp;23:23<BR>To: yak-list@matronics.com<BR>Subject: RE: Ya
k-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all th
e other bits<BR><BR>--> Yak-List message pos
ted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
<BR><BR> Yooh Mark,<BR>Now you are talking!&nbs
p;A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would 
;fold it's feet!<BR><BR>You get 1000 mi at
>200 kts all behind that wonderful&nbs
p;M-14!<BR>If I did not already have two&n
bsp;"good deals", I would be looking at&nb
sp;a<BR>Rocket!<BR>Have difinately introduce a coupl
e of potential RV builders to the<BR>Radia
l Rocket after they flew with me in&n
bsp;the 52 taking in the ambiance<BR>of th
e radial! Just wish I had the patienc
e to build but I'm to old for<BR>that
! Only a limited number of heartbeats 
;and I would rather waste them<BR>with air
under my ass than picking sheet meta
l slivers! <BR>Doc<BR><BR>> Of course opinio
ns are like tail-ends.... And I am no
t speaking about <BR>> the ones coming&
nbsp;out of the back of aircraft fuselages
. The proof of <BR>> the pudding&
nbsp;will be in the sales.<BR>><BR>> Neve
r-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocke
t ??? My choice would<BR>be<BR>> 
;the latter. <BR>><BR>> Mark Bitterlich<
BR>> N50YK<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original&nb
sp;Message-----<BR>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.
com<BR>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On&nb
sp;Behalf Of kp<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, Januar
y 17, 2007 3:59<BR>> To: yak-list@matronics.
com<BR>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Sl
ot Bushings and all the other bits<BR>>
<BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by:&nbs
p;"kp" <pilko2@btinternet.com><BR>><BR>> Jorgen...
..... go get a life !<BR>><BR>><BR>>&n
bsp;----- Original Message -----<BR>> From:
"Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za><BR>>&nbs
p;To: <yak-list@matronics.com><BR>> Sent: Tuesda
y, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM<BR>> Subjec
t: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and a
ll the other bits<BR>><BR>><BR>> >
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen 
;Nielsen" <BR>> > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
<BR>> ><BR>> > I find it ironi
c that on the digest today, there are
a bunch of <BR>> > posts about
the new TW at $285k, with resultant&
nbsp;posts talking about <BR>> > support<
BR>> issues,<BR>> > picking the right&
nbsp;dealer in the US to market and s
upport the Yaks, <BR>> > etc<BR>> 
;etc<BR>> > etc.<BR>> ><BR>> >&nbs
p;Then along comes the last post in t
he digest about bushings for the<BR>> c
owl.<BR>> > Preston asks where can h
e find said bushings, talks about making<B
R>> parts,<BR>> > refers to assumption
s about how it was mounted, says he&n
bsp;has seen <BR>> > lots<BR>> of<BR>&
gt; > other yaks with the same pro
blem, maybe making lots of parts and
so.<BR>> ><BR>> > I find this
incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the&n
bsp;problem <BR>> > and confirms there&nb
sp;is no product support.<BR>> ><BR>>
> 1. Why not simply get them from&
nbsp;Aerostar / US representative?<BR>> ><BR>&
gt; > 2. If this is a common
problem, and with the levels of vibration<
BR>> coupled<BR>> > with the need 
;to remove and put back on cowl on&nb
sp;a frequent basis, <BR>> > why isn
't Aerostar getting this feedback, taking
the initiative, and<BR><BR>> > producing
a<BR>><BR>> > "cowl<BR>> > mount 
;overhaul kit"?<BR>> ><BR>> > Hell
lets not stop there. How about...<BR>>
><BR>> > 3. Ditto "aileron 
;bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
<BR>> > replacement kit", "brake cable&nb
sp;replacement kit", "undercarriage <BR>> >&nb
sp;actuator overhaul kit", "Trim system overhau
l kit", etc etc.<BR>> ><BR>> > 
;I bet every long time Yak owner on&n
bsp;this list could specify the<BR>> content
s of<BR>> > these kits and many 
;others.<BR>> ><BR>> > Guaranteed what&n
bsp;question does any prospective Yak buyer&nbs
p;ask: Are<BR>> spares<BR>> > availab
le?<BR>> ><BR>> > Christian, I offe
r these thoughts for your consideration, b
ecause I<BR>> really<BR>> > want Aeros
tar to be successful.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Lets see if any Yak owners on t
he list agree with me or think I 
;am<BR>> smoking<BR>> > something?<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
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| Subject: | Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville |
Hey guys,
Thought this might be a good time to jump in. I=B9m new here. Just now in
the process of setting up shop for a Radial Rocket build. I haven=B9t heard
from those guys that the demo sold, I=B9ll ask tomorrow and if so try and get
a price. Below is a web site for my build. I=B9ll try and update every week
or so for those interested. I have a tentative start date for the build
around 2/15. Kit is in the shop patiently waiting and an M14-P is on order
with George Coy. Wish me luck and hello to all the Yak folks!
Andy Hawes
www.radialrocketman.com
On 1/18/07 4:53 PM, "netmaster15@juno.com" <netmaster15@juno.com> wrote:
> HI Mark,
>
> Doyou have any idea as to the actual sale price of the Radial Rocket?. Di
d you
> ever get -to fly it? I''ve got a brand new PF in the crate, in reserve f
or
> that little screamer. What prop did they hang on it when it sold?
>
> Regards, CLIFF
>
> :
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> The "factory built" demo Radial Rocket recently sold on the open market.
> Had all the modern avionics and "other stuff" that was recently listed
> on the new TW. It sold for less than the TW asking prices, thus my
> comparison. Agreed, it would be nice if the gear retracted... But then
> consider the savings in insurance because it does not! The 50 will out
> turn and out perform the Rocket in a dogfight... But not in a straight
> line! Wow is that thing FAST!
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 23:23
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>
>
> Yooh Mark,
> Now you are talking! A Radial Rocket! Just wish it would fold it's feet!
>
> You get 1000 mi at >200 kts all behind that wonderful M-14!
> If I did not already have two "good deals", I would be looking at a
> Rocket!
> Have difinately introduce a couple of potential RV builders to the
> Radial Rocket after they flew with me in the 52 taking in the ambiance
> of the radial! Just wish I had the patience to build but I'm to old for
> that! Only a limited number of heartbeats and I would rather waste them
> with air under my ass than picking sheet metal slivers!
> Doc
>
>> > Of course opinions are like tail-ends.... And I am not speaking about
>> > the ones coming out of the back of aircraft fuselages. The proof of
>> > the pudding will be in the sales.
>> >
>> > Never-the-less..... YAK-52TW or Radial Rocket ??? My choice would
> be
>> > the latter.
>> >
>> > Mark Bitterlich
>> > N50YK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:59
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>> >
>> >
>> > Jorgen........ go get a life !
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:08 PM
>> > Subject: Yak-List: Cowling T-Slot Bushings and all the other bits
>> >
>> >
>>> > > <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>>> > >
>>> > > I find it ironic that on the digest today, there are a bunch of
>>> > > posts about the new TW at $285k, with resultant posts talking about
>>> > > support
>> > issues,
>>> > > picking the right dealer in the US to market and support the Yaks,
>>> > > etc
>> > etc
>>> > > etc.
>>> > >
>>> > > Then along comes the last post in the digest about bushings for the
>> > cowl.
>>> > > Preston asks where can he find said bushings, talks about making
>> > parts,
>>> > > refers to assumptions about how it was mounted, says he has seen
>>> > > lots
>> > of
>>> > > other yaks with the same problem, maybe making lots of parts and so
.
>>> > >
>>> > > I find this incredibly ironic, because it illustrates the problem
>>> > > and confirms there is no product support.
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. Why not simply get them from Aerostar / US representative?
>>> > >
>>> > > 2. If this is a common problem, and with the levels of vibration
>> > coupled
>>> > > with the need to remove and put back on cowl on a frequent basis,
>>> > > why isn't Aerostar getting this feedback, taking the initiative, an
d
>
>>> > > producing a
>> >
>>> > > "cowl
>>> > > mount overhaul kit"?
>>> > >
>>> > > Hell lets not stop there. How about...
>>> > >
>>> > > 3. Ditto "aileron bearing replacement kit", "undercarriage bush
>>> > > replacement kit", "brake cable replacement kit", "undercarriage
>>> > > actuator overhaul kit", "Trim system overhaul kit", etc etc.
>>> > >
>>> > > I bet every long time Yak owner on this list could specify the
>> > contents of
>>> > > these kits and many others.
>>> > >
>>> > > Guaranteed what question does any prospective Yak buyer ask: Are
>> > spares
>>> > > available?
>>> > >
>>> > > Christian, I offer these thoughts for your consideration, because I
>> > really
>>> > > want Aerostar to be successful.
>>> > >
>>> > > Lets see if any Yak owners on the list agree with me or think I am
>> > smoking
>>> > > something?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: history made |
In a message dated 1/18/2007 4:33:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mj@yakuk.com writes:
THERE! Now if any tells you a CJ-6 is a copy of a Yak 18A let them look at
this picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its no wonder the Chinese designed the CJ-6.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
On Monday 15th January 2007 the very first occasion in Europe a YAK 18A and
CJ6 flew together in formation. Attached picture. Has this been done in USA
with the 18, 18A and CJ6?
P1 was in the back seat of the 18A before you ask !!
Mark Jefferies for YAK <http://www.yakuk.com> UK Ltd
Lt Gransden Airfield <http://www.yakuk.com/EGMJ.asp>
Sandy, Beds
SG19 3BP - England
Conditions of business <http://www.yakuk.com/cob.doc>
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| Subject: | Re: Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville |
Hello Andy,
Good luck with the project; Mark is a decent guy.
BTW, that engine on RR#2 is not from Vedeneyev - parts likely, but not the whole.
RR#1 has a Russian built engine.
Cheers.
LawnDart
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=88759#88759
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Power Options |
The 426 HP chevy engine you mention will not produce 426 HP for very
long. It only takes a fraction of that horsepower to cruise at 90 MPH
in a 'vette. If you put the engine on a dyno and load it to 426 HP and
come back in 200 hours you'll find a puddle of metal where your engine
used to be. Truck engines work at a much higher percent of rated power,
as do industrial engines. Those engines weigh too much to fly though.
That, in a nutshell, is why auto engine conversions are so problematic
for airplanes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Power Options
As M-14P prices rise with the Euro v. USD, I wonder how a Chevy V-8
would perform under a custom cowl, pulling along a CJ behing an MT prop?
Prices are as cheap as M-14P's were a few years ago, even with a
reduction drive. Weight is in the ballpark, just the Sound of Round is
replaced with the wail of an LS-7 426 HP Chevy winding up.
Wouldn't help a Yak though; perhaps John Deere has something
appropriate :>)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Radial Rocket, Greetings from Nashville |
Folks, excuse me for passing alone hear-say information. I had heard that the
demo Radial Rocket sold from a friend of mine. I went and looked at the advertisement
some time ago and when I was told that it had sold, I never checked to
see if the story was accurate.
So.... sorry if I passed incorrect info.
Regardless of whether it did or not, it remains one heck of an airplane! :-)
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
LawnDart <dougr@yak-18t.com> wrote:
Hello Andy,
Good luck with the project; Mark is a decent guy.
BTW, that engine on RR#2 is not from Vedeneyev - parts likely, but not the whole.
RR#1 has a Russian built engine.
Cheers.
LawnDart
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