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1. 08:34 AM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Doug Sapp)
2. 08:41 AM - RPA Insurance Announcement (Tom Johnson)
3. 04:36 PM - Yak CFIs and Stephens CJ is almost ready (Drew Blahnick)
4. 04:36 PM - Yak CFIs and Stephens CJ is almost ready (Drew Blahnick)
5. 04:43 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (David McGirt)
6. 06:26 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 08:13 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of
the vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You
will of course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the
trailing edge of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree
that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
>
>Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
>inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
>video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
>the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
>Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
>
>
>I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
>the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
>
>DaBear
>
>David McGirt wrote:
>
>
>>Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
>>duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
>>or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
>>bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
>>been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>*From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
>>*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
>>*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>>*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
>>
>>Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
>>by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
>>companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
>>activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
>>your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
>>The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
>>someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
>>exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
>>
>>Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
>>will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
>>them!
>>
>>Doc
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
>>
>> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
>> the group.
>>
>> Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
>> clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
>> mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
>>
>> I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
>> Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
>> Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
>>
>> David
>>
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| Subject: | RPA Insurance Announcement |
You should all be getting an explanation from RPA about the Warbird
Insurance Program.
I had several discussions with Drew and appreciate his dedication to our
membership and helping to explain the program.
In its present form the Warbird of America Insurance Program has been around
for 10+ years.
Bob Cannon was integral in getting this program setup back in the days.
However it is open to all brokers, but nobody works the program better than
an experienced warbird broker (hint: see author).
Basically the program has not changed.
* You are required to maintain EAA Warbirds membership and provide me your
Warbirds member number (Most already have).
* You have to meet some basic pilot qualifications before you are eligible
(500 hours total and 100 retract minimum for Yak/CJ).
* You have to make sure your broker asks the underwriter specifically to
put you in the program.
I do this automatically and just force my clients to join Warbirds.
* There is a maximum lifetime discount of 25% off the basic program rates.
So, if year 1 you pay $100 and during that year get your FAST card,
WINGS program, RPA Clinic, OSH Forums, etc, you could earn the max.
On year 2 you would pay 25% less or $75. But suppose during the second
year you let your FAST lapse and don't do any other training.
On year 3 you would lose the discount and go back up to $100.
Moral is... Keep the FAST current, go to safety meetings and RPA events
and such.
... and no, you can't have insurance for $100.00...
For the guys and gals I have insured for many years, you are already in the
program and getting these discounts (except Furball).
Feel free to call me and I can explain the program further or help you get
quoted under this program.
This program works great and I have a LOT of experience in getting the
discounts and credits you earn.
Advise if you have questions: tomjohnson@cox.net
Or go to my website: www.yakinsurance.com (Yak meant in the generic
sense...)
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Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Toll Free: 866-475-9199
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
www.airpowerinsurance.com <http://www.airpowerinsurance.com/>
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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| Subject: | Yak CFIs and Stephens CJ is almost ready |
Folks,
A Ecom just went out to membership on the discounts available through training
and other participation in the RPA, for RPA members, the National CFI database
located on the website is 100% automated, if you go to account admin under
the "Help" section, you can update you license if not already done, if you are
a CFI, the system will list your name, email and state in the National CFI database
to help folks locate experienced Yak, Chang and L-39/29 certified instructors
as needed,
Congrats to Stephen Byers who's recently purchased CJ has come back to life after
a very long sit time, if you are in the Miami to Jupiter corridor of South
Florida, his CJ will be joining the skies shortly,
Drew
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| Subject: | Yak CFIs and Stephens CJ is almost ready |
Folks,
A Ecom just went out to membership on the discounts available through training
and other participation in the RPA, for RPA members, the National CFI database
located on the website is 100% automated, if you go to account admin under
the "Help" section, you can update you license if not already done, if you are
a CFI, the system will list your name, email and state in the National CFI database
to help folks locate experienced Yak, Chang and L-39/29 certified instructors
as needed,
Congrats to Stephen Byers who's recently purchased CJ has come back to life after
a very long sit time, if you are in the Miami to Jupiter corridor of South
Florida, his CJ will be joining the skies shortly,
Drew
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| Subject: | Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of
course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge
of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location
may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
<david@mcgirt.net>
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
<dabear@damned.org>
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
*<>*
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need
to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean
high pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet
to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I
would never be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a push/pull
knob in the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the pressure in the
cockpit, keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low pressure around
the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of course
have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge of the
vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location may be the
best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
(mailto:david@mcgirt.net)
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
(mailto:dabear@damned.org)
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) ] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*_To:*_ (to:*) _yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt _<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>_
(mailto:david@mcgirt.net)
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com _<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>_
(mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Yep...shoulda bought a YAK. It came with a cockpit fresh air vent. Atleast the
85 and before models did.
Seriously though, you could get a CRU-60, 02 regulator, install an 02 tank, and
run a scat tube off the fresh air line you are insalling. Then wearing an 02
mask using those unused banoyet fittings on your helmet. That way you will be
breathing fresh air via the fresh air line that originally went to your generator.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/20/2007 8:32:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, david@mcgirt.net
writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need to
use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean high
pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet to be
designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I would never
be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a push/pull knob in
the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the pressure in the cockpit,
keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily down through
the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the vertical
stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of course have
to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge of the vertical.
Once done I would agree I would agree that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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