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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Jorgen Nielsen)
2. 08:45 AM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Bill Walker)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 03:27 PM - Winter Blues (Craig Payne)
5. 04:01 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Mark Davis)
6. 04:14 PM - Re: Winter Blues (Stephen Fox)
7. 05:14 PM - Re: Winter Blues (ByronMFox@aol.com)
8. 05:29 PM - Re: Winter Blues -- Retraction! (ByronMFox@aol.com)
9. 05:48 PM - Breathing Clean Air (Yakjock)
10. 06:24 PM - Re: Winter Blues -- Retraction! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 06:36 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air (DaBear)
12. 06:37 PM - King KY97a for sale (napeone)
13. 07:13 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (Tim & Jessie Windsor)
14. 07:24 PM - Intercom / Yak52 - recording (David McGirt)
15. 08:23 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 08:48 PM - Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
17. 10:00 PM - Re: Winter Blues -- Retraction! (KingCJ6@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Have a look at a 52 - mine has this arrangement as standard (1994 model).
Has a cooling line to generator, but has another that is routed to the
cockpits. Heat again standard. Could probably find some 52 bits and save
some building. Air can be shut off via butterfly on the cockpit air exit.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: 21 January 2007 04:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need
to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean
high pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet
to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I
would never be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a
push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the
pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low
pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of
course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge
of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location
may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
<david@mcgirt.net>
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
<dabear@damned.org>
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
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<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
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*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have
this identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of
the louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the
outlets in the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it
still comes in and seems to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along
with the exhaust fumes which are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried
an exhaust vent, maybe you have one and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no
longer need to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to
take this clean high pressure area air, and route it though some kind
variable heater (yet to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route
it to the cockpit. I would never be able to shut off the air but vary
its temperature with a push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that
this will increase the pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from
being sucked in by the low pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass
easily down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the
bottom of the vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all
set. You will of course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes
in the trailing edge of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would
agree that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough
roominside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just
ran avideo cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the
fiberglass onthe front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to
route from there.. -----Original Message-----From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of DaBearSent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PMTo:
yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air -
a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top ofthe tail
to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet. DaBear David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh airduct
out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a maskor at
least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in mybird, and
they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should havebeen.. so I
would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59
PM*To:* yak-list@matronics.com*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean
Air - Masks? Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are
activatedby heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple
ofcompanies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters.
Againactivated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It
usesyour expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel
pelets.The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's
onsomeone using the mask to see what their work of breathing
isexercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers. Whiffs is
the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. Theywill not even
talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income forthem! Doc
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David McGirt
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? Ok, I am sure
I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2 mask
for our helmets, and finding something for the other end? I know
Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and Carbon Diox
in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in Waycross next
week to monitor my A/C. David *<>* * ** ************** *
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator
covers installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear
cockpit covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had
flexible, cloth covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped
around the flap actuator rods. You'll know if you have them or not
without even looking because the cold air can be felt down at your feet
in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack further
down into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have
this identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of
the louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the
outlets in the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it
still comes in and seems to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along
with the exhaust fumes which are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried
an exhaust vent, maybe you have one and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no
longer need to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to
take this clean high pressure area air, and route it though some kind
variable heater (yet to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route
it to the cockpit. I would never be able to shut off the air but vary
its temperature with a push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that
this will increase the pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from
being sucked in by the low pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass
easily down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the
bottom of the vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all
set. You will of course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes
in the trailing edge of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would
agree that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough
roominside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just
ran avideo cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the
fiberglass onthe front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to
route from there.. -----Original Message-----From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of DaBearSent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PMTo:
yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack]
<dabear@damned.org> I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA
duct near the top ofthe tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear David McGirt wrote: Good points, the other thought I had was to
create a new fresh airduct out on the wing , and route that into the
cockpit to feed a maskor at least the cabin area.. I have done several
6+ hour trips in mybird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued
than I should havebeen.. so I would really like to find a better
solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59
PM*To:* yak-list@matronics.com*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks? Yes I have thought of it. The problem is
the scrubbers are activatedby heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2.
There are a couple ofcompanies that make facemask for the woodlands fire
fighters. Againactivated by hot air as I can deduce from their
literature. It usesyour expired gases from respiration to activate the
porous gel pelets.The mask is a real attention getter! It would take
doing PFT's onsomeone using the mask to see what their work of breathing
isexercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers. Whiffs is
the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. Theywill not even
talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income forthem! Doc
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David McGirt
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
Masks? Ok, I am sure I am not the only one to think about this,
so I will ask the group. Has anyone thought about attaching a
mask to an air scrubber to clean the air we are breathing in the
cockpits? Say using a O2 mask for our helmets, and finding something
for the other end? I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the
amount of CO2 and Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow
his monitor in Waycross next week to monitor my A/C. David
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Must be tough up there in the Frozen Nawth, withdrawal pains from no-fly syndrome
due to icing, snow, icing, etc. We struggle down here too, with surface temps
barely into the eighties, I had to close down the canopy to the notch position
at altitude :) But, heh, us Swamp Dragons are tough critters...
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Dennis,
Are the flap actuator tube covers available for the YAK 52 or does
someone have a picture or pattern?
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator
covers installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear
cockpit covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had
flexible, cloth covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped
around the flap actuator rods. You'll know if you have them or not
without even looking because the cold air can be felt down at your feet
in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack further
down into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have
this identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of
the louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the
outlets in the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it
still comes in and seems to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along
with the exhaust fumes which are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried
an exhaust vent, maybe you have one and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no
longer need to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to
take this clean high pressure area air, and route it though some kind
variable heater (yet to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route
it to the cockpit. I would never be able to shut off the air but vary
its temperature with a push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that
this will increase the pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from
being sucked in by the low pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will
pass easily down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off
the bottom of the vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all
set. You will of course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes
in the trailing edge of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would
agree that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough
roominside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just
ran avideo cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the
fiberglass onthe front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to
route from there.. -----Original Message-----From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of DaBearSent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PMTo:
yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack]
<dabear@damned.org> I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA
duct near the top ofthe tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear David McGirt wrote: Good points, the other thought I had was to
create a new fresh airduct out on the wing , and route that into the
cockpit to feed a maskor at least the cabin area.. I have done several
6+ hour trips in mybird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued
than I should havebeen.. so I would really like to find a better
solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:*
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59
PM*To:* yak-list@matronics.com*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks? Yes I have thought of it. The problem is
the scrubbers are activatedby heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2.
There are a couple ofcompanies that make facemask for the woodlands fire
fighters. Againactivated by hot air as I can deduce from their
literature. It usesyour expired gases from respiration to activate the
porous gel pelets.The mask is a real attention getter! It would take
doing PFT's onsomeone using the mask to see what their work of breathing
isexercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers. Whiffs is
the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. Theywill not even
talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income forthem! Doc
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David McGirt
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
Masks? Ok, I am sure I am not the only one to think about this,
so I will ask the group. Has anyone thought about attaching a
mask to an air scrubber to clean the air we are breathing in the
cockpits? Say using a O2 mask for our helmets, and finding something
for the other end? I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the
amount of CO2 and Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow
his monitor in Waycross next week to monitor my A/C. David
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Blues |
Whadda mean withdrawal pains? Great flying weather up here. 17
degrees F. on the ground about -10 at 4k. Yaks love this weather,
they go up like an F-16.
You get to practice landing on shear ice or at least snow covering
shear ice. Roll to a stop, hold the brakes, give a little throttle,
spin it 180 in place release the brake and take off the other way.
Ah the joy of winter flying!
On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>
> Must be tough up there in the Frozen Nawth, withdrawal pains from
> no-fly syndrome due to icing, snow, icing, etc. We struggle down
> here too, with surface temps barely into the eighties, I had to
> close down the canopy to the notch position at altitude :) But,
> heh, us Swamp Dragons are tough critters...
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Blues |
In a message dated 1/21/2007 4:16:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
steve.fox@mac.com writes:
Yaks love this weather, they go up like an F-16.
You get to practice landing on shear ice or at least snow covering shear ice.
Roll to a stop, hold the brakes, give a little throttle, spin it 180 in place
release the brake and take off the other way.
Wow! Are you ever cool! .....And also full of well known. ....Your big
brother.
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Blues -- Retraction! |
In a message dated 1/21/2007 5:16:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Yaks love this weather, they go up like an F-16.
You get to practice landing on shear ice or at least snow covering shear ice.
Roll to a stop, hold the brakes, give a little throttle, spin it 180 in place
release the brake and take off the other way.
Wow! Are you ever cool! .....And also full of well known. ....Your big
brother.
I take it all back. Steve really did do this. Just goes to show what pansies
we are in Marin. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Breathing Clean Air |
Hi to all.
I have also been looking for ways to avoid the exhaust pollution in the
cockpit. In =938=94 on longer trips over 5,000=92 I wear oxygen
whenever I can '
it helps a lot but is not a total solution (I have a built in oxygen
system
on the new CJ to support both pilot and GIB).
On the new CJ =9388=94 we (Shane Wease and I) have installed a NACA
under the
left wing well outboard of the exhaust trail with scat tubing bringing
fresh
air to eyeball vents fore and aft. Based on installations I=92ve seen
in
other planes this should provide a very strong flow of absolutely clean
air.
It should also help to pressurize the cockpit a bit helping to keep the
exhaust out. We have sealed every source of leakage we can get to
including
all the drain holes along the belly. We have also installed a totally
new
airtight bulkhead separating the cockpit from the hold area. We are
planning a second air barrier to go forward of the tail assembly as the
large gaps around the tail assembly seem to be a source of exhaust fumes
coming back into the plane. In changing to a Sukhoi style exhaust
system
to fit the closed cowling, I am leaving the exhaust stacks longer than
usual
until I=92ve had a chance to test the plane in flight for exhaust
pollution.
We will be installing a louvered air exhaust vent near the tail and
will, if
necessary, install a second small NACA to further ventilate the aft
fuselage.
As soon as possible I=92ll let you know how successful we are in this
clean
air fight; the first time I turn on the smoke and pull should give us
the
answer! (This time I hope that I will not be IMC as I was with Doug the
last
time!)
I look forward to hearing the progress others are making.
Hal Morley
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Blues -- Retraction! |
In a message dated 1/21/2007 8:31:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 1/21/2007 5:16:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Yaks love this weather, they go up like an F-16.
You get to practice landing on shear ice or at least snow covering shear
ice. Roll to a stop, hold the brakes, give a little throttle, spin it 180 in
place release the brake and take off the other way.
Wow! Are you ever cool! .....And also full of well known. ....Your big
brother.
I take it all back. Steve really did do this. Just goes to show what pansies
we are in Marin. ...Blitz
First of all SOB lies a lot. This here guy lived in CT for 27 years!
Winter is for hairy beast or Kennedy and Kerry nitwits. I once landed my C-310
on
a ice covered runway. Found I could steer OK but not able to come to dead
stop after clearing the runway. Total ice everywhere. Ahead I saw a dry spot
- right in front of the gas pumps. It was just a 10 foot around dry spot.
I was able to stop there - refuel - I fired up but once I was off the brakes
there was no stopping until I applied takeoff power for take off. No run up
mag check. I felt like I was committing a sin. Nope - God made the sun for a
reason and I live in a land with that plus the best college football &
basket ball teams in the country, Thank you very much!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air |
How did you make the rear bulkhead (cockpit/hold area) air tight as the
rudder cables run through there?
Yakjock wrote:
>
> Hi to all.
>
> I have also been looking for ways to avoid the exhaust pollution in
> the cockpit. In 8 on longer trips over 5,000 I wear oxygen whenever
> I can it helps a lot but is not a total solution (I have a built in
> oxygen system on the new CJ to support both pilot and GIB).
>
> On the new CJ 88 we (Shane Wease and I) have installed a NACA under
> the left wing well outboard of the exhaust trail with scat tubing
> bringing fresh air to eyeball vents fore and aft. Based on
> installations Ive seen in other planes this should provide a very
> strong flow of absolutely clean air. It should also help to pressurize
> the cockpit a bit helping to keep the exhaust out. We have sealed
> every source of leakage we can get to including all the drain holes
> along the belly. We have also installed a totally new airtight
> bulkhead separating the cockpit from the hold area. We are planning a
> second air barrier to go forward of the tail assembly as the large
> gaps around the tail assembly seem to be a source of exhaust fumes
> coming back into the plane. In changing to a Sukhoi style exhaust
> system to fit the closed cowling, I am leaving the exhaust stacks
> longer than usual until Ive had a chance to test the plane in flight
> for exhaust pollution. We will be installing a louvered air exhaust
> vent near the tail and will, if necessary, install a second small NACA
> to further ventilate the aft fuselage.
>
> As soon as possible Ill let you know how successful we are in this
> clean air fight; the first time I turn on the smoke and pull should
> give us the answer! (This time I hope that I will not be IMC as I was
> with Doug the last time!)
>
> I look forward to hearing the progress others are making.
>
> Hal Morley
>
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| Subject: | King KY97a for sale |
King flipflop radio, 10 memory channels, mounting tray, 12 volts.
Working fine when it came out of airplane and bench checks fine.
$500 plus shipping
David Harcourt
205-936-9502
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89410#89410
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| Subject: | Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
Has anyone got a wiring diagram for the intercom system for the Yak52. I
have a camera system that records direct to a dvd but the sound mike I've
put in the headset doesn't record properly so I need to wire it via the
intercom system. My Yak is standard Russian
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsors Edge Vineyard
Windsors Edge Cottages
Top Red War Birds
1039 McDonalds Rd POKOLBIN NSW 2320
T/F: 02 4998 7737
E: windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dennis,
Are the flap actuator tube covers available for the YAK 52 or does
someone have a picture or pattern?
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Savarese
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator covers
installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear cockpit
covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had flexible,
cloth covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped around the flap
actuator rods. You'll know if you have them or not without even looking
because the cold air can be felt down at your feet in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack further down
into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker <mailto:bwalker11@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have this
identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of the
louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the outlets in
the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it still comes in
and seems to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along with the exhaust
fumes which are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried an exhaust vent,
maybe you have one and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need
to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean
high pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet
to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I
would never be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a
push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the
pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low
pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of
course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge
of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location
may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
<david@mcgirt.net>
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
<dabear@damned.org>
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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| Subject: | Intercom / Yak52 - recording |
Tim,
You might consider something easier, like an inline jack to your headset
jack - here is an example from Aircraft spruce, I am sure there is something
local for you..
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/videorec.php
David
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim & Jessie
Windsor
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Has anyone got a wiring diagram for the intercom system for the Yak52. I
have a camera system that records direct to a dvd but the sound mike I've
put in the headset doesn't record properly so I need to wire it via the
intercom system. My Yak is standard Russian
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsors Edge Vineyard
Windsors Edge Cottages
Top Red War Birds
1039 McDonalds Rd POKOLBIN NSW 2320
T/F: 02 4998 7737
E: windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dennis,
Are the flap actuator tube covers available for the YAK 52 or does
someone have a picture or pattern?
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Savarese
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator covers
installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear cockpit
covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had flexible,
cloth covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped around the flap
actuator rods. You'll know if you have them or not without even looking
because the cold air can be felt down at your feet in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack further down
into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker <mailto:bwalker11@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have this
identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of the
louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the outlets in
the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it still comes in
and seems to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along with the exhaust
fumes which are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried an exhaust vent,
maybe you have one and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need
to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean
high pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet
to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I
would never be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a
push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the
pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low
pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of
course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge
of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location
may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
<david@mcgirt.net>
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
<dabear@damned.org>
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*To:* yak-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Breathing Clean Air - Masks? |
They may be available from Termikas in Lithuania or via Rob Kent in the
UK. I do not know of any pattern available.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Davis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dennis,
Are the flap actuator tube covers available for the YAK 52 or
does someone have a picture or pattern?
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator
covers installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear
cockpit covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had
flexible, cloth covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped
around the flap actuator rods. You'll know if you have them or not
without even looking because the cold air can be felt down at your feet
in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack
further down into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the
cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Walker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already
have this identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the
front of the louvres, passing through an adjustable heat muff, and
exiting the outlets in the front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the
smoke, it still comes in and seems to be mostly comming in the rear
cockpit along with the exhaust fumes which are constantly comming in. I
hav'nt tried an exhaust vent, maybe you have one and your system will
work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] =ashBack] Breathing Clean
Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no
longer need to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to
take this clean high pressure area air, and route it though some kind
variable heater (yet to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route
it to the cockpit. I would never be able to shut off the air but vary
its temperature with a push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that
this will increase the pressure in the cockpit, keeping the exhaust from
being sucked in by the low pressure around the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] =ashBack] Breathing Clean
Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will
pass easily down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off
the bottom of the vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all
set. You will of course have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes
in the trailing edge of the vertical. Once done I would agree I would
agree that this location may be the best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough
roominside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just
ran avideo cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the
fiberglass onthe front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to
route from there.. -----Original Message-----From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of DaBearSent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PMTo:
yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack]
=ashBack]
<dabear@damned.org> I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA
duct near the top ofthe tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear David McGirt wrote: Good points, the other thought I had was to
create a new fresh airduct out on the wing , and route that into the
cockpit to feed a maskor at least the cabin area.. I have done several
6+ hour trips in mybird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued
than I should havebeen.. so I would really like to find a better
solution.
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*From:*
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronic
s.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59
PM*To:* yak-list@matronics.com*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
=ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks? Yes I have thought of it. The problem is
the scrubbers are activatedby heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2.
There are a couple ofcompanies that make facemask for the woodlands fire
fighters. Againactivated by hot air as I can deduce from their
literature. It usesyour expired gases from respiration to activate the
porous gel pelets.The mask is a real attention getter! It would take
doing PFT's onsomeone using the mask to see what their work of breathing
isexercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers. Whiffs is
the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. Theywill not even
talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income forthem! Doc
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David McGirt
<mailto:david@mcgirt.net> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
=ashBack]
Masks? Ok, I am sure I am not the only one to think about this,
so I will ask the group. Has anyone thought about attaching a
mask to an air scrubber to clean the air we are breathing in the
cockpits? Say using a O2 mask for our helmets, and finding something
for the other end? I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the
amount of CO2 and Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow
his monitor in Waycross next week to monitor my A/C. David
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In a message dated 1/21/2007 11:25:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
A number of years, before I got my present helmet and mask. I had a
standard USAF helmet and oxygen mask - including hose. The hose was not connected
to anything and just hung free. Looked really cool at the airshows. I took a
lot of very unsavory ribbing from those who shall be unnamed. Rich
Williams, NASA's #2 doctor, was a little concerned for me because he theorized
I
would be re-breathing my own air since the hose might not allow a total clean
air
exchange because of its length. But I could fly with the canopy open and
with the mike in the mask, there was no air noise when I transmitted.
Occasionally I would take the free end of the hose and stick it in the airstream.
The effect was like pressure breathing! Air was literally shoved into my
lungs! I could not do it for very long. It was surprising how much air would
come up that little 3/4 hose.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
They may be available from Termikas in Lithuania or via Rob Kent in the UK.
I do not know of any pattern available.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _Mark Davis_ (mailto:mark@pld.com)
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dennis,
Are the flap actuator tube covers available for the YAK 52 or does
someone have a picture or pattern?
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: _A. Dennis Savarese_ (mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com)
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
On the original Yak 52's, many of them do not have the flap actuator covers
installed. These covers were originally riveted inside the rear cockpit
covering the flap rod openings through the fuselage. They had flexible, cloth
covers on the end of the metal cover which was clamped around the flap actuator
rods. You'll know if you have them or not without even looking because the
cold air can be felt down at your feet in the rear cockpit.
Possibly longer exhaust extensions, putting the exhaust stack further down
into the slip stream would help eliminate the smoke in the cockpit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _Bill Walker_ (mailto:bwalker11@charter.net)
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Pappy,
Before putting too much effort into this, standard Yaks already have this
identical arrangement - an approx 1 1/4" tube between the front of the louvres,
passing through an adjustable heat muff, and exiting the outlets in the
front and rear cockpits. When I turn on the smoke, it still comes in and seems
to be mostly comming in the rear cockpit along with the exhaust fumes which
are constantly comming in. I hav'nt tried an exhaust vent, maybe you have one
and your system will work better.
Wild Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:45:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_david@mcgirt.net_ (mailto:david@mcgirtnet) writes:
My plan -- Since I replaced my generator with a alternator, I no longer need
to use the cooling air intake off the louvers. I plan is to take this clean
high pressure area air, and route it though some kind variable heater (yet
to be designed) around the exhaust stack than route it to the cockpit. I
would never be able to shut off the air but vary its temperature with a
push/pull knob in the cockpit. I believe that this will increase the pressure
in the
cockpit, keeping the exhaust from being sucked in by the low pressure around
the cockpit.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
____________________________________________________________-
Thanks Doug, had not thought of it like that
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] =ashBack] Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Dave,
I don't think you are looking at it correctly. The air will pass easily
down through the lightning holes in the ribs, just cap off the bottom of the
vertical stab and add a scat tube adapter and your all set. You will of course
have to cover/cap off all the inspection holes in the trailing edge of the
vertical. Once done I would agree I would agree that this location may be the
best.
Always Yakin,
Doug
David McGirt wrote:
(mailto:david@mcgirt.net)
Good point, on the top of the tail would not work, there is not enough room
inside to get a good size hose down the middle of the tail... just ran a
video cable through there, and THAT was a pain.. but on the fiberglass on
the front of the tail would not be a bad spot.. easy to route from there..
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: =ashBack] =ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
(mailto:dabear@damned.org)
I had a similar idea, but was going to put a NACA duct near the top of
the tail to bring in fresh air. haven't done it yet.
DaBear
David McGirt wrote:
Good points, the other thought I had was to create a new fresh air
duct out on the wing , and route that into the cockpit to feed a mask
or at least the cabin area.. I have done several 6+ hour trips in my
bird, and they all ended with me a lot for fatigued than I should have
been.. so I would really like to find a better solution.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
[_mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) ] *On Behalf Of *Roger Kemp
*Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 8:59 PM
*_To:*_ (to:*) _yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
*Subject:* RE: Yak-List: =ashBack]
=ashBack]
Breathing Clean Air - Masks?
Yes I have thought of it. The problem is the scrubbers are activated
by heat to take up CO and convert it to CO2. There are a couple of
companies that make facemask for the woodlands fire fighters. Again
activated by hot air as I can deduce from their literature. It uses
your expired gases from respiration to activate the porous gel pelets.
The mask is a real attention getter! It would take doing PFT's on
someone using the mask to see what their work of breathing is
exercising to see if it is practical for the YAK/CJ drivers.
Whiffs is the company that makes the CO scrubbers for NASCAR. They
will not even talk to me. Guess, I do not represent enough income for
them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David McGirt _<mailto:david@mcgirt.net>_
(mailto:david@mcgirt.net)
*To: *yak-list@matronics.com _<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>_
(mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
*Sent:* 1/19/2007 3:03:26 PM
*Subject:* Yak-List: Breathing Clean Air - =ashBack]
=ashBack]
Masks?
Ok,
I am sure I am not the only one to think about this, so I will ask
the group.
Has anyone thought about attaching a mask to an air scrubber to
clean the air we are breathing in the cockpits? Say using a O2
mask for our helmets, and finding something for the other end?
I know Pappy has done a lot of studies on the amount of CO2 and
Carbon Diox in the cockpit, and I hope to borrow his monitor in
Waycross next week to monitor my A/C.
David
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In a message dated 1/21/2007 5:31:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 1/21/2007 5:16:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Yaks love this weather, they go up like an F-16.
You get to practice landing on shear ice or at least snow covering shear
ice. Roll to a stop, hold the brakes, give a little throttle, spin it 180 in
place release the brake and take off the other way.
Wow! Are you ever cool! .....And also full of well known. ....Your big
brother.
I take it all back. Steve really did do this. Just goes to show what pansies
we are in Marin. ...Blitz
Yes, but this abrupt maneuver typically results in the GIB's quadruple,
decaf, extra frap mocha soiling the gold lamay chute cover....
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