---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/23/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:45 AM - Winter Ops (CJcanuck) 2. 12:44 PM - Re: Winter Ops (Doug Sapp) 3. 01:12 PM - Re: Winter Ops (Stephen Fox) 4. 05:28 PM - Re: Winter Ops (Dave Laird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:29 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Winter Ops From: "CJcanuck" I'm hoping to go out to BC in the next few weeks and collect my new CJ . With that in mind I'm looking for any techniques on winter ops and/or cold wx engine management techniques that anyone might be able to provide. Questions like; Proper use of cowl gills to avoid shock cooling of cylinders during runup/takeoff/letdown? Any issues with the pneumatics during prolonged cold soaking, such as frozen water separators or brakes? Part of my trip home takes me through the Rockies and the higher elevation airfields in Alberta, any special considerations in powerplant management at these fields? Thanks in advance! -------- Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of man's problems! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89800#89800 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:39 PM PST US From: Doug Sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Winter Ops Mark, Other than the insulated cowl blanket that you have already ordered, I might suggest installing the oil cooler winterization kit. This kit has a movable door that installs in the oil cooler duct. In winter some CJ's are nearly impossible to keep the oil in the green at altitude on a cold day, this kit solves the problem and also comes with a FOD screen to keep junk out of the oil cooler duct. A bit more on the insulated cowl blanket, if you sew Velcro on to a few spots on the inside where the insulated blanket fits against the lower cowl and install 2 of the 110 volt heating pads it really makes a huge difference IF you have access to electricity it will work wonders. I have a hunch that at the temps you will be operating in your shutters will be closed most of the time. Do you have a heater of any kind? Are you traveling alone? If you are use duct tape to tape all the seams on the rear canopy closed, the majority of all the cold air coming into the cockpit comes in under the rear skirt of the rear canopy. In the nose and main gear wells there are many holes that you can tape up to stop the cold air also. Give me a call @ 509-826-4610 if you need some more info on any of the above. Always Yakin, Doug CJcanuck wrote: > >I'm hoping to go out to BC in the next few weeks and collect my new CJ . With that in mind I'm looking for any techniques on winter ops and/or cold wx engine management techniques that anyone might be able to provide. > >Questions like; Proper use of cowl gills to avoid shock cooling of cylinders during runup/takeoff/letdown? Any issues with the pneumatics during prolonged cold soaking, such as frozen water separators or brakes? Part of my trip home takes me through the Rockies and the higher elevation airfields in Alberta, any special considerations in powerplant management at these fields? > >Thanks in advance! > >-------- >Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of man's problems! > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89800#89800 > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:29 PM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Winter Ops Mark- You may also want to see if you can track down a winter flight suit - CWU- 64/P or plan on wearing a snow mobile one piece suit. Even if you have heat, it's going to be cold. I just flew this weekend and my YAK has heat, but after about 30 minutes in -10F my feet and lower back really started feeling the cold. Steve On Jan 23, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Doug Sapp wrote: > > Mark, > Other than the insulated cowl blanket that you have already > ordered, I might suggest installing the oil cooler winterization > kit. This kit has a movable door that installs in the oil cooler > duct. In winter some CJ's are nearly impossible to keep the oil in > the green at altitude on a cold day, this kit solves the problem > and also comes with a FOD screen to keep junk out of the oil cooler > duct. A bit more on the insulated cowl blanket, if you sew Velcro > on to a few spots on the inside where the insulated blanket fits > against the lower cowl and install 2 of the 110 volt heating pads > it really makes a huge difference IF you have access to electricity > it will work wonders. > I have a hunch that at the temps you will be operating in your > shutters will be closed most of the time. Do you have a heater of > any kind? Are you traveling alone? If you are use duct tape to > tape all the seams on the rear canopy closed, the majority of all > the cold air coming into the cockpit comes in under the rear skirt > of the rear canopy. In the nose and main gear wells there are > many holes that you can tape up to stop the cold air also. > Give me a call @ 509-826-4610 if you need some more info on any of > the above. > > Always Yakin, > Doug > > CJcanuck wrote: > >> >> I'm hoping to go out to BC in the next few weeks and collect my >> new CJ . With that in mind I'm looking for any techniques on >> winter ops and/or cold wx engine management techniques that anyone >> might be able to provide. >> >> Questions like; Proper use of cowl gills to avoid shock cooling of >> cylinders during runup/takeoff/letdown? Any issues with the >> pneumatics during prolonged cold soaking, such as frozen water >> separators or brakes? Part of my trip home takes me through the >> Rockies and the higher elevation airfields in Alberta, any >> special considerations in powerplant management at these fields? >> Thanks in advance! >> >> -------- >> Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of man's problems! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89800#89800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:46 PM PST US From: Dave Laird Subject: Re: Yak-List: Winter Ops I've often wondered if heated motorcycle clothing would help in the winter... like the stuff here: http://www.gerbing.com/ I have no idea what the current load is.... but even if you don't have a 12 volt output then maybe you could secure some batteries in the backseat somehow and run off of them.... Dave Laird N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty" Dallas On Jan 23, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Stephen Fox wrote: > > Mark- > > You may also want to see if you can track down a winter flight > suit - CWU- 64/P or plan on wearing a snow mobile one piece suit. > Even if you have heat, it's going to be cold. I just flew this > weekend and my YAK has heat, but after about 30 minutes in -10F my > feet and lower back really started feeling the cold. > > > Steve > On Jan 23, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Doug Sapp wrote: > >> >> Mark, >> Other than the insulated cowl blanket that you have already >> ordered, I might suggest installing the oil cooler winterization >> kit. This kit has a movable door that installs in the oil cooler >> duct. In winter some CJ's are nearly impossible to keep the oil >> in the green at altitude on a cold day, this kit solves the >> problem and also comes with a FOD screen to keep junk out of the >> oil cooler duct. A bit more on the insulated cowl blanket, if you >> sew Velcro on to a few spots on the inside where the insulated >> blanket fits against the lower cowl and install 2 of the 110 volt >> heating pads it really makes a huge difference IF you have access >> to electricity it will work wonders. >> I have a hunch that at the temps you will be operating in your >> shutters will be closed most of the time. Do you have a heater of >> any kind? Are you traveling alone? If you are use duct tape to >> tape all the seams on the rear canopy closed, the majority of all >> the cold air coming into the cockpit comes in under the rear skirt >> of the rear canopy. In the nose and main gear wells there are >> many holes that you can tape up to stop the cold air also. >> Give me a call @ 509-826-4610 if you need some more info on any >> of the above. >> >> Always Yakin, >> Doug >> >> CJcanuck wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm hoping to go out to BC in the next few weeks and collect my >>> new CJ . With that in mind I'm looking for any techniques on >>> winter ops and/or cold wx engine management techniques that >>> anyone might be able to provide. >>> >>> Questions like; Proper use of cowl gills to avoid shock cooling >>> of cylinders during runup/takeoff/letdown? Any issues with the >>> pneumatics during prolonged cold soaking, such as frozen water >>> separators or brakes? Part of my trip home takes me through the >>> Rockies and the higher elevation airfields in Alberta, any >>> special considerations in powerplant management at these fields? >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> -------- >>> Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of man's problems! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89800#89800 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.