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1. 06:00 AM - Booster coil buzzing ..no start (flir47)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start (flir47)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: radio noise after installing plug conversion kit (Rick Basiliere)
6. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start (Jorgen Nielsen)
7. 04:17 PM - Fw: TICO (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 04:27 PM - Fw: TICO (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 05:18 PM - TICO (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 05:48 PM - Re: TICO (David McGirt)
11. 06:36 PM - Re: TICO (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Booster coil buzzing ..no start |
Yak will not start with start button (booster coil) but will when the mags turned
on both.
Anyone have an idea or two before I start digging??
Dennis.. I will be calling you for the auto conversion as soon as I get this sorted
out.
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| Subject: | Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start |
When you press the start button, do you hear a buzzing from the starting
coil? Also check the wire from the starting coil to the left mag.
Particularly where it enters the left mag and makes the sharp 90 degree turn
toward the magneto cap. Remove the wire from the mag cap and place the end
close to metal and press the button. You should have a continuous spark
jump to ground when you press the start button. I have found many starting
coil wires so badly deteriorated that they short to ground when the start
button is pressed. You also could have a bad starting coil of course.
Assuming you have a Yak 52, and although there is a relay in the relay box
at bulkhead #6 on the right side that could cause the problem, it is
unlikely the culprit if when you press the start button, the air start valve
opens and the rotation starts. That's because both the starting coil and
the air start valve circuits are through the contacts of the same relay.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Booster coil buzzing ..no start
>
> Yak will not start with start button (booster coil) but will when the
> mags turned on both.
>
> Anyone have an idea or two before I start digging??
>
> Dennis?.. I will be calling you for the auto conversion as soon as I get
> this sorted out.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97184#97184
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start |
Dennis It is a Yak 50. The coil is buzzing but will not fire the motor.
We will check as you suggested. Once again thanks for the info.
Are the points a trigger for the mags as well as the booster coil?
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start |
The points in the mag are what continues the spark to the plugs after you
turn on the magneto switch. Not during the initial starting procedure.
I'd bet it's a bad wire from the starting coil to the left mag. On the 50,
it's a much easier job to replace it than on a 52. The wire is 5 mm,
braided core wire. Sometimes tough to find except at possibly your local
small engine shop that repairs lawn mowers, lawn tractors etc. If you can
find it locally, here's a link to where you can find it on the internet.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-8776.html You can also use 7 mm braided
core wire. But the rubber sleeve on the ends of the 5 mm wire is
eliminated. Here's the 7 mm wire.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-8775.html
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start
>
> Dennis It is a Yak 50. The coil is buzzing but will not fire the motor.
>
> We will check as you suggested. Once again thanks for the info.
>
> Are the points a trigger for the mags as well as the booster coil?
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97208#97208
>
>
>
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| Subject: | radio noise after installing plug conversion kit |
Roger! Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: radio noise after installing plug conversion kit
Rick,
Just remember to push not pull at the MAP!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/23/2007 9:36:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: radio noise after installing plug conversion kit
>
>
> Did my SU-29 about a year ago with auto wires and plugs. Had KX-135 and
absolutely no noise before or after. Installed a GNS430 (Yes, inverted
approaches!!!) flew first yesterday. Beautiful performance. Lovin' it
> Rick b
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 3:51 PM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: radio noise after installing plug conversion kit
> >
> >
> >Jan,
> >Have been lurking and probably should have added something to this issue
> >earlier. I did the plug conversion on my 50 also. Had a lot of
> >interference/ "buzzing" on the radio. Could only get good signal (clear
> >transmissions) from A/C close by or near the AF. Traced it down to the
> >Russian radio cable and B/C connectors. I changed out to R 146 cable and
> >new B&C connectors with marked improvement. I have a Becker VHF installed
> >since I had pulled the Briz radio over a year ago. Had no problems until
> >after I did the plug conversion. I had already changed out the antenna
from
> >the Russian so I knew it was not a West vs East technology issue.. or so
I
> >thought. I had continued to use the Ru radio cable with new B&C
connectors.
> >Once I changed the RU cable for R 146 all improved.
> >Now I have a buzz and pop at the ends of transmissions. If I turn the
> >automatic squelch off I have a continuous buzzing that is only present
with
> >the engine running. It is not associated with throttle changes. So guess
I
> >am now going to add a filter to the DC line into the radio to see if that
> >fixes it.
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: 2/22/2007 3:53:21 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: radio noise after installing plug conversion kit
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Mark,
> >>
> >> THANKS A LOT! Your advise helped me solve the problem : the
BNC-connector
> >of
> >> the antenna cable got disassembled! So I HEREBY CONFIRM : THE PLUG
> >> CONVERSION KIT CABLES ARE NOT THE SOURCE OF THE RADIO NOISE IN MY
PLANE!
> >>
> >> I was mislead because my radio showed the noise problem after I did the
> >plug
> >> conversion, so it was logical to assume that there was a correlation.
For
> >> one reason or another the antenna cable could move around a bit. And
all
> >> things that are not well strapped in a Yak will cause problems sooner
or
> >> later. I did the test as you suggested, and bingo, problem diagnosed !
> >>
> >> Once again, thanks a lot!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jan Mevis
> >> RA2005K
> >> YK50
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
> >Mark G
> >> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> >> Sent: dinsdag 20 februari 2007 22:48
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: White Paper on Russian Generator System
> >>
Point,
> >> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >> Jan,
> >>
> >> Let me repeat one thing if I may. If the noise to your radio goes away
> >> completely when you disconnect the (almost) BNC connector on the back
of
> >> the radio that connects the antenna, then there is absolutely no use in
> >> messing with the radios wiring what-so-over. Trust me on this one.
> >> Radio noise can come in via a few different sources. The wires you
> >> speak of, or the antenna, or both. If you disconnect the coax
> >> connection to the radio, AT the radio, and all noise goes away
> >> completely, then all noise is coming in from the antenna itself. Noise
> >> filters will NEVER stop this type of noise. That is because the radio
> >> is actually RECEIVING what it is SUPPOSED to be receiving. I.E. "RF
> >> ENERGY".
> >>
> >> As for spark energy.... You mention the spark plug cables. I agree ...
> >> More or less.... But don't forget that the spark plugs now being used
> >> are much MUCH better than anything being used before. Leaps and bounds
> >> better.
> >>
> >> If the shielding on the Tach Generator becomes completely disconnected,
> >> the resultant noise can be so strong that it actually causes DAMAGE to
> >> the receiver front end in a Balken-5 (sp) model radio flying in a 52.
I
> >> have actually seen that happen and have repaired the damage myself....
> >> So believe me, it's true.
> >>
> >> Pulling the antenna connector off the radio will tell the story.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> P.s. There is ONE very REMOTE possibility that can help if all noise
> >> STOPS when you pull off the coax cable connector from the radio, and
> >> that is called "common mode interference". In cases like that, noise
> >> comes down the shield of the coax and gets into the radio THAT way.
> >> This can be eliminated by using torroidal chokes on the exerior of the
> >> coax close to the radio. They look like small donuts, and using the
> >> right ones are important. Regardless, this still presumes that all
> >> noise goes away when you disconnect the antenna coax from the radio.
> >>
> >> If that does as I expect it to do, and all noise goes away, then put
the
> >> coax back on the radio, and disconnect the connection from the antenna
> >> itself. It the noise is still gone, it is NOT common mode
interference,
> >> and you either need to turn up the squelch, or eliminate the noise at
> >> the source.... Not radio wiring.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start |
If the same magneto as the 52, the booster coil HT goes into the mag and
connects to the stator (correct term? Anyway the bakelite/plastic thingie
that turns inside the mag).
This connection in turn is connected to the TRAILING metal pin, and hence
fires with retarded timing, preventing the motor starting up in reverse
which is what often happens if starting on mags. The normal mags on
connection is via the leading pin, providing advanced timing.
As per Dennis, 9 times out of 10 it will be the wire that is shorting to
ground OR burnt inside. If after changing out this wire, if it still
doesn't work then check for a crack in the stator - I have had this one.
Rather F^%$#ing frustrating until I realised what the problem was. Almost
impossible to see.
So before swapping the wire and reassembling the whole thing only to find it
still doesn't work, I would first remove all the air from the system, (close
air valve master and use brakes until no more air is present), then check by
kistening to make sure the coil is working. Assuming it is, then pull the
mag cover and remove the wire, and check it.
To check the wire, close to the frame / engine mount while someone pushes
the start button, AFTER removing all the air from the system to make sure
the prop doesn't turn. Should get a nice strong spark. I cable-tied the
wire to a plastic rod to hold it. Did not fancy a shock.
If no strong spark replace the wire. If the spark is present at the wire
your fault is downstream, and the only item left is the stator.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: 25 February 2007 06:22 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The points in the mag are what continues the spark to the plugs after you
turn on the magneto switch. Not during the initial starting procedure.
I'd bet it's a bad wire from the starting coil to the left mag. On the 50,
it's a much easier job to replace it than on a 52. The wire is 5 mm,
braided core wire. Sometimes tough to find except at possibly your local
small engine shop that repairs lawn mowers, lawn tractors etc. If you can
find it locally, here's a link to where you can find it on the internet.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-8776.html You can also use 7 mm braided
core wire. But the rubber sleeve on the ends of the 5 mm wire is
eliminated. Here's the 7 mm wire.
http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/24-8775.html
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Booster coil buzzing ..no start
>
> Dennis It is a Yak 50. The coil is buzzing but will not fire the motor.
>
> We will check as you suggested. Once again thanks for the info.
>
> Are the points a trigger for the mags as well as the booster coil?
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97208#97208
>
>
>
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Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA RedStars
event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The honchos have
change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going to need real
help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
----- Original Message -----
From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for the
year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under 50,
with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has not
been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will violate
if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push this issue
and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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(mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA RedStars
event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The honchos have
change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going to need real
help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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----- Original Message -----
From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for the
year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under 50,
with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has not
been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will violate
if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push this issue
and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Just because I am too lazy to look it up.. What is the date?
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: TICO
Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA
RedStars event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The
honchos have change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going
to need real help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for
the year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under
50, with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has
not been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air
Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will
violate if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push
this issue and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch
it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Subj:
Fwd: TICO
Date:
2/25/2007 7:16:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
From:
cjpilot710
To:
yak-list@matronics.com
Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA
RedStars event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The
honchos have change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going
to need real help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
_____
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AOL at AOL.com.
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Subj:
Re: TICO
Date:
2/25/2007 4:51:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
From:
kenterry@cfl.rr.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for
the year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under
50, with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has
not been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air
Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will
violate if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push
this issue and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch
it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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The date is March 15 to 18th. The 15th is a media day. It is suppose to be
a flight from TIX to Daytona where a luncheon is to be held. The airshow
days are 16-17-18.
Just because I am too lazy to look it up.. What is the date?
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Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: TICO
Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA RedStars
event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The honchos have
change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going to need real
help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for
the year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under 50,
with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has not
been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will violate
if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push this issue
and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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2/25/2007 7:16:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
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Guys,
This straight from the head air honcho at VAC. Get to him right away if
your planning to go. I will be going on media day, however each day I'll
return home (wx permitting). TICO airshow is at TIX. Get your paper work
together, make sure your chute is up dated. Though this is not a RPA RedStars
event, but us Florida boys have been doing this show for years. The honchos have
change and the new guys are trying their best. They are going to need real
help on media day.
Hope to see ya there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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2/25/2007 4:51:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
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----- Original Message -----
From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: TICO
Ken,
Getting ready to send out some info to my RPA guys.
Questions.
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to fly in the airshow? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get their gas and oil paid
for if they fly in the show? NO!
Do they have to be a member of VAC in order to get a hotel room if they fly
in the show? NO!
What does a membership in VAC cost these days? $100.oo year for family of 2
adults, 2 children under 18, includes free admission to Museum for all for
the year.
Free admission to Air Show for all, for all three days. $75.00 for a single
individual membership with same privileges. We are working on setting a Life
Time Membership according to age. It looks like around $1500.00 for under
50, with a sliding scale up in age and down in price after that, but it has not
been finalized or approved by the BOD yet. Hope to do so before Air Show.
Our fuel and room poilcy is:
Air Show fuel and smoke oil.
Enroute fuel - both ways.
Room at $50.00 per night starting with Wed night this year for those that
participate in our Media Day (must be approved in advance, by ME)!
Otherwise starts with Thur night, then Fri and Sat.
aggregate total of up to $500.00 Max., all aircraft. Anything other than
this requires special approval.
All this is based on fact you must fly in the Air Show all three days, and
NO PASSENGERS on Sunday, so you can NOT plan on a departure airborne, you
will have land and pick up your homeward passengers. FAA says they will violate
if we allow it. Last couple years we have had several people push this issue
and I will abide by the FEDS request or we (the VAC) will catch it.
NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!
Hope this will bring out a few more airplanes and fun!
BTW, I could sure use your help in setting some mass fly-bys if you are
interested and have the time.
Ken
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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