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1. 11:09 AM - ARS VI Registration now open! (Barry Hancock)
2. 11:59 AM - Re: MP gauge (Sarah Tobin)
3. 12:24 PM - Re: ARS VI Registration now open! (Mark Weidhaas)
4. 12:35 PM - Re: ARS VI Registration now open! (Stephen Fox)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: ARS VI Registration now open! (Scooter)
6. 02:17 PM - filling air tanks (Jerry Painter)
7. 03:16 PM - Re: filling air tanks (Sarah Tobin)
8. 08:52 PM - Re: filling air tanks (Roger Baker)
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| Subject: | ARS VI Registration now open! |
$125 OFF REGISTRATION FEE!!!!
Register NOWfor All Red Star now and receive $125 off the full
registration price! Thanks to generous donations by many sponsors we
are able to offer a reduced rate to everyone who registers before April
7th. That's not long, so take the 5 minutes now and save big on the
"best darned warbird event anywhere!"
Go to www.allredstar.com for registration and event details!
We look forward to seeing you at ARS VI
Barry and the All Red Star Team
All Red Star IV "A Unique Aviation Experience"
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What are you talking about? must be some trailer that is automatic with yahoo...never
seen it before
Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: Smash,
Hep me now...whas au PS3 game guru? YO dun fl-n 55's? Giv'n up YAK's fo joystik's?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 2/21/2007 10:20:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: MP gauge
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Be a PS3 game guru.
Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
---------------------------------
TV dinner still cooling?
Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
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| Subject: | ARS VI Registration now open! |
Hello Barry and fellow Red Star Pilots:
I look forward to attending another great event at Porterville (KPTV)
May
2-6!
Here is a quick video clip to get everyone=92s juices flowing!!!!!
HYPERLINK
"http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=xARR8d4LqIU"http://www.youtube.com./wa
tch?v
=xARR8d4LqIU
All warbirds welcome!!!!
Mark J. Weidhaas
Yak 52 =9336=94
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Yak-List: ARS VI Registration now open!
$125 OFF REGISTRATION FEE!!!!
Register NOWfor All Red Star now and receive $125 off the full
registration
price! Thanks to generous donations by many sponsors we are able to
offer a
reduced rate to everyone who registers before April 7th. That's not
long, so
take the 5 minutes now and save big on the "best darned warbird event
anywhere!"
Go to www.allredstar.com for registration and event details!
We look forward to seeing you at ARS VI
Barry and the All Red Star Team
All Red Star IV "A Unique Aviation Experience"
--
3/30/2007
1:15 PM
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3/30/2007
1:15 PM
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| Subject: | Re: ARS VI Registration now open! |
Barry-
My plan is/was to attend ARS, but the wife has thrown a monkey wrench into the
works. Seems we will be moving into Boston around the time of ARS. My hope is
to get the move done or done enough to come. Airplane reservations have been made!
If I don't know for sure until after the 7th you still willing to give me
the early bird? I figure this is better than registering than asking you to reimburse
me.
Steve
On Friday, March 30, 2007, at 02:25PM, "Barry Hancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
wrote:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ARS VI Registration now open! |
Unrelated but here's another short yak-52 youtube clip that you will get a kick
out of:
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=h_60TLO6Zpo
mark(at)alternativesolar. wrote:
> Hello Barry and fellow Red Star Pilots:
> Here is a quick video clip to get everyones juices flowing!!!!!
> --
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103960#103960
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| Subject: | filling air tanks |
Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like onboard
air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the Reno races last
year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51 had a very large ho
le
blown in it because somebody overfilled an oxygen tank. Didn't happen ri
ght
away either--took a while after the fill. Fortunately (?), it happened on
the ground, not in flight, nobody hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be careful out
there, especially if you let somebody else service your air supply. Denn
is'
suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air only"--by the fi
ll
port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum pressure 50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade, King,
Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here new--onl
y
$135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my website/Barnstormers or
call for details. Hope to have her at ARS for the benefit of inquiring
minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally ejected the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else. If some
one
was in the back seat, they would not have made it because of the shrapnel
=2E
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar with the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a conspicuous
label at/around the external air fill port saying "compressed air only" i
n
big, bold, letters may help at some point in time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know, perhaps
>> not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have in the
>> Gryphon, just had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine. Apparently,
>> when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen in. This happened at
>> another airport, not his home, and he was not aware of the problem.Whe
n
>> he started the engine, it backfired violently, but started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home. The next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream that it blew
a
>> 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting on a hard line, a
nd
>> lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out of the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if you need an air fill, be sure that it is air,
or
>> nitrogen, not oxygen.
>>
>
>
> Are the O2 transfill adapters compatible with the fill connector on the
> air tanks?
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
> ?oSome people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a
> difference to the world, but the Marines don?Tt have that problem.? -
> Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who is PIC? Are you
not regulating your own a/c? The two times I have had to bum air at airports
I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it worked fine, but I knew better
than to put pure O2 in. I think this might be just a case of darwinism and
you need to watch what you do with your ride. Don't know the particulars of
Reno, but the previous posts about dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and
self-critiquing!
Smash
Jerry Painter <wild.blue@verizon.net> wrote:
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} Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like onboard air
tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the Reno races last year a very
expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51 had a very large hole blown in it
because somebody overfilled an oxygen tank. Didn't happen right away either--took
a while after the fill. Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not
in flight, nobody hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be careful out there,
especially if you let somebody else service your air supply. Dennis' suggestion
to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air only"--by the fill port is
a good one. I'd also add "maximum pressure 50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade, King, Garmin,
lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here new--only $135K--half
the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my website/Barnstormers or call for details.
Hope to have her at ARS for the benefit of inquiring minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally ejected the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else. If someone
was in the back seat, they would not have made it because of the shrapnel.
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar with the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a conspicuous
label at/around the external air fill port saying "compressed air only" in
big, bold, letters may help at some point in time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know, perhaps
>> not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have in the
>> Gryphon, just had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine. Apparently,
>> when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen in. This happened at
>> another airport, not his home, and he was not aware of the problem.When
>> he started the engine, it backfired violently, but started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home. The next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream that it blew a
>> 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting on a hard line, and
>> lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out of the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if you need an air fill, be sure that it is air, or
>> nitrogen, not oxygen.
>>
>
>
> Are the O2 transfill adapters compatible with the fill connector on the
> air tanks?
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
> ?oSome people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a
> difference to the world, but the Marines don?Tt have that problem.? -
> Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
Well, uh, gee gosh....that's an "interesting" position to take. I
must confess that there have been 1 or 2 occasions in my flying
career when other people have done maintenance/service to "my"
airplanes....military, airline, and even (gasp, say it isn't so!!!)
my Yak or Sukhoi that I didn't personally supervise. I guess I just
didn't realize what a dangerous act I was performing by having
professional maint./service people work on my airplanes without my
direct supervision. I guess I should have realized that they could
have made a mistake....and I should be there 24/7 to correct them.
Holy crap! (Of course, in the most politically correct sense of the
expression...no insult intended to any real or imiginary religious
being nor to any fecal matter that might be involved).
Roger___________________________________________________________________
_____________
On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Sarah Tobin wrote:
> My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who is
> PIC? Are you not regulating your own a/c? The two times I have had
> to bum air at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro
> and it worked fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I
> think this might be just a case of darwinism and you need to watch
> what you do with your ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno,
> but the previous posts about dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary
> and self-critiquing!
> Smash
>
> Jerry Painter <wild.blue@verizon.net> wrote:
> Y'all--
>
> I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like
> onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the
> Reno races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty)
> P-51 had a very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled
> an oxygen tank. Didn't happen right away either--took a while
> after the fill. Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in
> flight, nobody hurt.
>
> We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
> careful out there, especially if you let somebody else service your
> air supply. Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous
> label--"compressed air only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd
> also add "maximum pressure 50 bar (735PSI)".
>
> P.S.
> For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
> King, Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold
> here new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
> website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at ARS
> for the benefit of inquiring minds.
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> 425-876-0865
> JP@FlyWBA.com
> http://www.FlyWBA.com
>
>
> Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> This same situation happened a few years back and literally ejected
> the
> pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else.
> If someone
> was in the back seat, they would not have made it because of the
> shrapnel.
>
> Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar with the
> airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
> conspicuous
> label at/around the external air fill port saying "compressed air
> only" in
> big, bold, letters may help at some point in time.
>
> Dennis
>
> "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> > --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
> >
> > Just got the following e mail from a friend.
> >
> >
> >> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know,
> perhaps
> >> not.
> >>
> >> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have in the
> >> Gryphon, just had a strange and costly mishap -----
> >>
> >> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
> Apparently,
> >> when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen in. This
> happened at
> >> another airport, not his home, and he was not aware of the
> problem.When
> >> he started the engine, it backfired violently, but started.
> >>
> >> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home. The
> next
> >> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
> >>
> >> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream that
> it blew a
> >> 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting on a hard
> line, and
> >> lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the engine.
> >>
> >> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out of the
> >> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
> >>
> >> Moral of this story, if you need an air fill, be sure that it is
> air, or
> >> nitrogen, not oxygen.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Are the O2 transfill adapters compatible with the fill connector
> on the
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