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1. 06:27 AM - Re: filling air tanks (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 07:24 AM - hand propping (Jerry Painter)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? (John Nafziger)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: hand propping (Roger Baker)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: hand propping (Roger Baker)
6. 08:52 AM - ARS Advanced Registration ends TOMORROW!!! (Barry Hancock)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: filling air tanks (Jim)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: filling air tanks (Doug Sapp)
9. 10:14 AM - Re: filling air tanks (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
10. 10:46 AM - Re: filling air tanks (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
12. 11:01 AM - Posting for Hube (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: filling air tanks (Mark Davis)
14. 03:52 PM - Re: filling air tanks (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air tanks with
air. Weighs about 65 pounds. I bought one of these last year to use
in the hangar. I have had great success with it. Puts out 2000 PSI.
Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a 3 stage
compressor. Has an excellent air/water separator too. I paid $500 for
it.
http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber
=4459&picNumber=1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and filled
it myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my tank,
yes. That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked them to
paint it yellow to preclude any confusion.
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Point, MALS-14 64E"
Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any way
be
serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked to
prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may be
missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well. BUT.....Do
you
know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or even
Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some day,
but
for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later. In
other
words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for pure
oxygen
being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR SURE
(I
repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is connected
to
your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is
actually
filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who is
PIC?
Are you not regulating[LashBack] your own a/c? The two times I have
had to bum air
at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
worked
fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this might
be
just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do with your
ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous posts
about
dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
Smash
Jerry Painter wrote:
Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like
onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the Reno
races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51 had
a
very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an oxygen
tank.
Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight, nobody
hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be careful
out
there, especially if you let somebody else service your air supply.
Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
pressure
50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
King,
Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at ARS
for
the benefit of inquiring minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally ejected
the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else. If
someone was[LashBack] in the back seat, they would not have made it
because of the
shrapnel.
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar with
the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
"compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some point
in
time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V"
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know,
>> perhaps not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have in
the
>> Gryphon, just[LashBack] had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
>> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen in.
This
>> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not aware
of
>> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired violently,
but
started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home. The
next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream that it
>> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting on a
hard
>> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the
engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out of
the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if
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----- Original Message -----
From: _Roger Baker_ (mailto:f4ffm2@adelphia.net)
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Dennis suggestion is a very good one. The M-14P is, if done properly,
among
the easiest of engines to prop.
Roger__________________________________________________________________
Uh, yeah...but not if you're all by yourself in E. Humptulips (unless you
have advancing mags on your engine).
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
http://www.FlyWBA.com
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| Subject: | RE: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? |
Mark,
> The BEST solution .... Which is WAY WAY pricey... Is to purchase an
> American made pressure relief valve and replace the Russian one...
> Price.... $750. But... It lasts pretty much forever.
Which valve are you refering too that's so expensive?
I'm using a stainless steel Parker RH4A-Series adjustable relief valve
that works nicely so far ($152.31 from Royal Instruments. I can't
speak to the "lasts pretty much forever" part (yet), but it's stainless
with flouro seals. Plus, it was easy to engineer into my standard 3/8"
tubing and AN fittings, then the M14x1 thread and 42 deg metric stuff.
Thanks,
John
Yak-55M, Pitts Model 12
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Jerry Painter wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: _Roger Baker_ (mailto:f4ffm2@adelphia.net)
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
>
> Dennis suggestion is a very good one. The M-14P is, if done
> properly, among
> the easiest of engines to prop.
>
>
> Roger_________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Uh, yeah...but not if you're all by yourself in E. Humptulips
> (unless you have advancing mags on your engine).
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> http://www.FlyWBA.com
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List_-
> ============================================================ _-
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| Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Uh, yeah....Jerry. You'll note that I said "if done properly" in my
post. I've not been to E. Humptulips, so I don't know whether one
can get competent help there or not. If you can get a competent
helper, you are likely to be going to go flying. However, in E.
Humptulips or in W. Armpit, it you are alone....you are probably
screwed.
Roger___________________________________________________________________
______________________________
On Apr 6, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Jerry Painter wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: _Roger Baker_ (mailto:f4ffm2@adelphia.net)
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
>
> Dennis suggestion is a very good one. The M-14P is, if done
> properly, among
> the easiest of engines to prop.
>
>
> Roger_________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Uh, yeah...but not if you're all by yourself in E. Humptulips
> (unless you have advancing mags on your engine).
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> http://www.FlyWBA.com
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List_-
> ============================================================ _-
> forums.matronics.com_-
> ===========================================================
>
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| Subject: | ARS Advanced Registration ends TOMORROW!!! |
Gang,
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this May 2-6, that early registration ends tomorrow. SAVE $125 by
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and save a formation hop's worth of gas in the process!!
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
Where can I get one.
Jim Selby
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air tanks with
air. Weighs about 65 pounds. I bought one of these last year to use
in the hangar. I have had great success with it. Puts out 2000 PSI.
Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a 3 stage
compressor. Has an excellent air/water separator too. I paid $500 for
it.
http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber
=4459&picNumber=1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and filled
it myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my tank,
yes. That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked them to
paint it yellow to preclude any confusion.
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Point, MALS-14 64E"
Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any
way be
serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked to
prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may
be
missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well. BUT.....Do
you
know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or even
Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some day,
but
for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later. In
other
words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for pure
oxygen
being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR SURE
(I
repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is
connected to
your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is
actually
filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who is
PIC?
Are you not regulating[LashBack] your own a/c? The two times I
have had to bum air
at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
worked
fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this might
be
just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do with
your
ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous posts
about
dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
Smash
Jerry Painter wrote:
Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like
onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the
Reno
races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51
had a
very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an oxygen
tank.
Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight, nobody
hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
careful out
there, especially if you let somebody else service your air
supply.
Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
pressure
50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
King,
Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at ARS
for
the benefit of inquiring minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally
ejected the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else. If
someone was[LashBack] in the back seat, they would not have made
it because of the
shrapnel.
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar with
the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
"compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some point
in
time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V"
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know,
>> perhaps not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have in
the
>> Gryphon, just[LashBack] had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
>> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen in.
This
>> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not aware
of
>> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired violently,
but
started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home.
The next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream that
it
>> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting on
a hard
>> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the
engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out of
the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
Re Shop air,
I have a 1500 psi Cornelius compressor, but I have heard that in both
China and Russia they use Huosai or M14 engine compressors hooked up to
a elect motor to gain high pressure shop air.
Used "as removed" compressors are not all that expensive. But a word of
warning, high pressure air has the capacity of easily killing you if you
don't handle it properly. You are building a bomb if you don't have the
proper container AND connecting hardware.
All food for thought,
Always yakin,
Doug
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air tanks with
> air. Weighs about 65 pounds. I bought one of these last year to use
> in the hangar. I have had great success with it. Puts out 2000 PSI.
> Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a 3 stage
> compressor. Has an excellent air/water separator too. I paid $500
> for it.
> http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber=4459&picNumber=1
> <http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber=4459&picNumber=1>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sarah Tobin <mailto:aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:07 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and
> filled it myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill
> my tank, yes. That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I
> asked them to paint it yellow to preclude any confusion.
>
> */"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil <mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>>/* wrote:
>
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>
> Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in
> any way be
> serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked to
> prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one
> may be
> missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
> P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well.
> BUT.....Do you
> know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or even
> Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some
> day, but
> for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later.
> In other
> words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for
> pure oxygen
> being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR
> SURE (I
> repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is
> connected to
> your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
> absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that
> is actually
> filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who
> is PIC?
> Are you not regulating[LashBack] your own a/c? The two times I
> have had to bum air
> at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
> worked
> fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this
> might be
> just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do
> with your
> ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous
> posts about
> dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
> Smash
>
> Jerry Painter wrote:
>
> Y'all--
>
> I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel (like
> onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at
> the Reno
> races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty)
> P-51 had a
> very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an
> oxygen tank.
> Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
> Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight,
> nobody hurt.
>
> We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
> careful out
> there, especially if you let somebody else service your air
> supply.
> Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
> only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
> pressure
> 50 bar (735PSI)".
>
> P.S.
> For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind
> 3-blade, King,
> Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
> new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
> website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at
> ARS for
> the benefit of inquiring minds.
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> 425-876-0865
> JP@FlyWBA.com
> http://www.FlyWBA.com
>
>
> Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> This same situation happened a few years back and literally
> ejected the
> pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else. If
> someone was[LashBack] in the back seat, they would not have
> made it because of the
> shrapnel.
>
> Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar
> with the
> airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
> conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
> "compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some
> point in
> time.
>
> Dennis
>
> "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N395V"
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> > --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
> >
> > Just got the following e mail from a friend.
> >
> >
> >> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already know,
> >> perhaps not.
> >>
> >> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you
> have in the
> >> Gryphon, just[LashBack] had a strange and costly mishap -----
> >>
> >> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
> >> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen
> in. This
> >> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not
> aware of
> >> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired
> violently, but
> started.
> >>
> >> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew
> home. The next
>
> >> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
> >>
> >> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream
> that it
> >> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting
> on a hard
>
> >> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off the
> engine.
> >>
> >> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out
> of the
> >> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
> >>
> >> Moral of this story, if
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| Subject: | filling air tanks |
Thanks Pappy.
There is actually a part number difference in the Russian versions with
the ones that have the tab and the ones that do not.
Mark
N50YK
P.s. The toe trick only works on a 52. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 23:28
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
In a message dated 4/5/2007 4:13:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
They are exactly the same except that the Russian one has the little
manual tab that you Yak guys move with your toe.
Pappy
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I'd be curious to know whether the CJ start valve is identical
to the
Russian one.
I need to send you a few digital images.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug
Sapp
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 16:01
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Mark,
I can only speak to the Chinese start valves but they seem to be
fond of
removing the tab but oddly enough they seem to do it upon
installation.
I say this because 100% of the new valves received from China
have the
tabs in place.
Always Yakin,
Doug
Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
Cherry
>--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>Brings up another point.
>
>Most if not all of our aircraft came with an air start valve
that had a
>tab on it for manual operation. If you replace this valve, the
newer
>model valve lacks this tab. So, always SAVE that OLD VALVE.
The lower
>case half that contains the tab will screw right on the new
replacement
>valve retaining the manual capability of the valve.
>
>My suggestion.... Never throw a Russian part away.... You just
never
>know what part inside of it might become essential someday.
>
>Mark Bitterlich
>N50YK
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
Dennis
>Savarese
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 13:43
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
>You are right on the money Herb. ALWAYS hand prop from behind
the
prop.
>Must less intimidating and certainly much safer for sure. With
no air,
>tying the airplane down is and absolute must.
>Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Coussons <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> Or if the sissy electric start is not working also. This
happened to
>me - no air, dead starter and it was quite exciting to hand
prop. I
>had a cub, and have hand propped the wilga - very easy compared
to the
>yak - but with enough gas and air in the cylinders it it not
too bad.
>BE SURE YOU HAVE GOOOD HELP. AND PROP FROM THE LEFT BEHIND THE
PROP.
>GOOD COMMUNICATION SPOT WITH THE COCKPIT AND FOR SAFETY !!-
when the
>m-14 fires of hand propping it is overwhelming if your helper
has only
>hand propped cubbies.
>
> Herb
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:16 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>
>
>
> Learning how to properly hand prop your airplane if of
particular
>importance should the air start valve fail and the air start
valve in
>your particular airplane does not have the manual release tab
it. A
>full tank of air will do you no good should any failure of the
air
>start system occur.
>
> Then there are the "sissy Yak's", which are those that
have the
>electric start on them. :-)
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Baker <mailto:f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
><mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> Dennis suggestion is a very good one. The M-14P
is, if done
>properly, among the easiest of engines to prop.
>
>
>Roger__________________________________________________________________
>
> On Apr 5, 2007, at 4:52 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>wrote:
>
>
>
> There is one other alternative. Learn
how to properly hand prop
>your airplane. Then you'll be sure that only compressed air
goes into
>the main air tank.
> Dennis
>
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| Subject: | filling air tanks |
Do you take that 4 foot tall tank with you on cross countries? :-) My
only point Smash is that sooner or later all of us end up having to rely
on someone else in one form or another. Whether it be for what kind of
air is in a tank, to the quality of the fuel that is in that gas truck
pumping into our aircraft. I was also trying to respectfully disagree
with my interpretation of your comment that we as pilots should be 100%
responsible for everything that goes on around our aircraft.
Let's take Bob Hoover for example. I personally consider him to be a
better pilot than I am pretty much straight across the board. Now some
of the pilots on this list might not think as highly of him as I do, but
I believe we would all concur that he is pretty darn good.
Does anyone remember the crash he had at Willow Grove Pennsylvania where
both of his engines quit after take-off? That would be because while he
was inside flight planning, some idiot pumped JET-A into his tanks
instead of 100LL. He checked the tanks to be sure they were full, but
neglected to bend down and sniff the fuel to make sure it smelled right.
Of course, I always smell MY fuel after the truck leaves and I am sure
you do too.
Anyway, it is unlikely that anyone is ever going to pump oxygen into my
50's air tank instead of compressed air, simply because I have resisted
changing the fill port over to a Shrader Valve, thus they have no way to
even CONNECT to the blasted thing unless I am standing right there with
my Russian fill port adapter in hand. That does NOT mean however that I
am immune to falling victim to some other stupid move that some less
than bright individual might do, simply by accident. Such as confusing
one aircraft for another and pouring oil into my fuel tank thinking that
was where it was supposed to go.
Adding a LABEL to everything where "stuff" can be poured, blown, or
"whatever" is therefore always a good idea, and you can't always just
dismiss such incidents with the words: "The pilot should have been there
watching".
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 22:08
Subject: RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and filled it
myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my tank, yes.
That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked them to paint
it yellow to preclude any confusion.
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any
way be
serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked
to
prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may
be
missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well.
BUT.....Do you
know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or
even
Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some
day, but
for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later.
In other
words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for
pure oxygen
being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR
SURE (I
repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is
connected to
your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is
actually
filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who
is PIC?
Are you not regulating your own a/c? The two times I have had to
bum air
at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
worked
fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this
might be
just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do with
your
ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous posts
about
dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
Smash
Jerry Painter wrote:
Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel
(like
onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the
Reno
races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51
had a
very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an
oxygen tank.
Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight,
nobody hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
careful out
there, especially if you let somebody else service your air
supply.
Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
pressure
50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
King,
Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at
ARS for
the benefit of inquiring minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally
ejected the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else.
If
someone was in the back seat, they would not have made it
because of the
shrapnel.
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar
with the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
"compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some
point in
time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V"
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already
know,
>> perhaps not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have
in the
>> Gryphon, just had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
>> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen
in. This
>> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not
aware of
>> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired
violently, but
started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home.
The next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream
that it
>> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting
on a hard
>> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off
the
engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out
of the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if
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| Subject: | RE: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? |
The best one I have ever seen is installed in Sergei Boriak's SU-31. I
got the part number off it and crossed it back to make and model and
priced it at over $700. I do not have the make and model in memory, but
I will be over near his aircraft tonight and might be able to look
again. Sounds like your model is a much better buy for the money
anyway!
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Nafziger
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:10
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve????
Mark,
> The BEST solution .... Which is WAY WAY pricey... Is to purchase an
> American made pressure relief valve and replace the Russian one...
> Price.... $750. But... It lasts pretty much forever.
Which valve are you refering too that's so expensive?
I'm using a stainless steel Parker RH4A-Series adjustable relief valve
that works nicely so far ($152.31 from Royal Instruments. I can't speak
to the "lasts pretty much forever" part (yet), but it's stainless with
flouro seals. Plus, it was easy to engineer into my standard 3/8"
tubing and AN fittings, then the M14x1 thread and 42 deg metric stuff.
Thanks,
John
Yak-55M, Pitts Model 12
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| Subject: | Posting for Hube |
Folks, I am posting this request for a close friend, Hubie Tolson.
Needed, M-14P 360 HP version for YAK-52. Please write and let him know
of anything you think you might have that could be used. Used, new, or
whatever.
Write to:
hubie@uhfdevelopmentgroup.com
Thanks,
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
Unfortunately the "sniff" test for Jet A/JP 4 isn't that reliable either if
a signicant amount of avgas was in the tank. The avgas smell is pretty
overpowering to my nose. It reminds be of an old Cheech and Chong routine,
but sometimes if there's any doubt, stick your finger in it and taste it!
Also feel for the dryness/evaporation of 100LL. (Looking at your fuel
receipt to see what you paid for is another way to catch it).
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Do you take that 4 foot tall tank with you on cross countries? :-) My
> only point Smash is that sooner or later all of us end up having to rely
> on someone else in one form or another. Whether it be for what kind of
> air is in a tank, to the quality of the fuel that is in that gas truck
> pumping into our aircraft. I was also trying to respectfully disagree
> with my interpretation of your comment that we as pilots should be 100%
> responsible for everything that goes on around our aircraft.
>
> Let's take Bob Hoover for example. I personally consider him to be a
> better pilot than I am pretty much straight across the board. Now some
> of the pilots on this list might not think as highly of him as I do, but
> I believe we would all concur that he is pretty darn good.
>
> Does anyone remember the crash he had at Willow Grove Pennsylvania where
> both of his engines quit after take-off? That would be because while he
> was inside flight planning, some idiot pumped JET-A into his tanks
> instead of 100LL. He checked the tanks to be sure they were full, but
> neglected to bend down and sniff the fuel to make sure it smelled right.
> Of course, I always smell MY fuel after the truck leaves and I am sure
> you do too.
>
> Anyway, it is unlikely that anyone is ever going to pump oxygen into my
> 50's air tank instead of compressed air, simply because I have resisted
> changing the fill port over to a Shrader Valve, thus they have no way to
> even CONNECT to the blasted thing unless I am standing right there with
> my Russian fill port adapter in hand. That does NOT mean however that I
> am immune to falling victim to some other stupid move that some less
> than bright individual might do, simply by accident. Such as confusing
> one aircraft for another and pouring oil into my fuel tank thinking that
> was where it was supposed to go.
>
> Adding a LABEL to everything where "stuff" can be poured, blown, or
> "whatever" is therefore always a good idea, and you can't always just
> dismiss such incidents with the words: "The pilot should have been there
> watching".
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 22:08
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and filled it
> myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my tank, yes.
> That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked them to paint
> it yellow to preclude any confusion.
>
> "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>
> Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any
> way be
> serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked
> to
> prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may
> be
> missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
> P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well.
> BUT.....Do you
> know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or
> even
> Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some
> day, but
> for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later.
> In other
> words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for
> pure oxygen
> being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR
> SURE (I
> repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is
> connected to
> your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
> absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is
> actually
> filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
> Tobin
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
>
> My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who
> is PIC?
> Are you not regulating your own a/c? The two times I have had to
> bum air
> at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
> worked
> fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this
> might be
> just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do with
> your
> ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous posts
> about
> dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
> Smash
>
> Jerry Painter wrote:
>
> Y'all--
>
> I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel
> (like
> onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the
> Reno
> races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51
> had a
> very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an
> oxygen tank.
> Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
> Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight,
> nobody hurt.
>
> We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
> careful out
> there, especially if you let somebody else service your air
> supply.
> Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
> only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
> pressure
> 50 bar (735PSI)".
>
> P.S.
> For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
> King,
> Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
> new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
> website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at
> ARS for
> the benefit of inquiring minds.
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> 425-876-0865
> JP@FlyWBA.com
> http://www.FlyWBA.com
>
>
> Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> Subject: Yak-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> This same situation happened a few years back and literally
> ejected the
> pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else.
> If
> someone was in the back seat, they would not have made it
> because of the
> shrapnel.
>
> Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar
> with the
> airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
> conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
> "compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some
> point in
> time.
>
> Dennis
>
> "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N395V"
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air tank??????
>
>
> > --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
> >
> > Just got the following e mail from a friend.
> >
> >
> >> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already
> know,
> >> perhaps not.
> >>
> >> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have
> in the
> >> Gryphon, just had a strange and costly mishap -----
> >>
> >> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
> >> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxygen
> in. This
> >> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not
> aware of
> >> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired
> violently, but
> started.
> >>
> >> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home.
> The next
>
> >> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
> >>
> >> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream
> that it
> >> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting
> on a hard
>
> >> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off
> the
> engine.
> >>
> >> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out
> of the
> >> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
> >>
> >> Moral of this story, if
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| Subject: | Re: filling air tanks |
I actually found my on EBay. You may find them on some military surplus
web site.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air tanks
Where can I get one.
Jim Selby
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling =ashBack] air tanks
If anyone is interested, here is a solution to filling air tanks
with air. Weighs about 65 pounds. I bought one of these last year to
use in the hangar. I have had great success with it. Puts out 2000
PSI. Has a single cylinder, overhead valve engine driving a 3 stage
compressor. Has an excellent air/water separator too. I paid $500 for
it.
http://web.govliquidation.com/auction/view_photo?eventId=2831&lotNumber
=4459&picNumber=1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: =ashBack] filling air tanks
Me personally, I bought an industrial size tank (4' tall) and
filled it myself at a local air distributer, so I know when I fill my
tank, yes. That is my technique...and when I bought the tank I asked
them to paint it yellow to preclude any confusion.
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
Every fill port for every type of fluid or gas that could in any
way be
serviced by line personnel should be labeled and clearly marked
to
prevent ANY type of confusion. The idea to add one where one may
be
missing is unquestionably sound judgement.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. Smash, I too like to do everything myself as well.
BUT.....Do you
know for sure which ones are legal for you to actually do, or
even
Supervise? That list would make an interesting question some
day, but
for me... I just do it and worry about the consequences later.
In other
words, I go too far the OTHER direction...admittedly. As for
pure oxygen
being pumped into your tank.... How are you going to know FOR
SURE (I
repeat... FOR SURE) just WHAT is inside the bottle that is
connected to
your aircraft and filling up your tank? The only way to be 100%
absolutely positive is for you to have filled the tank, that is
actually
filling your aircraft. I do that... Do you?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 18:16
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: filling air [LashBack] tanks
My question for everyone is ... why do you need a placard? Who
is PIC?
Are you not regulating[LashBack] your own a/c? The two times I
have had to bum air
at airports I got the maintainers to donate their nitro and it
worked
fine, but I knew better than to put pure O2 in. I think this
might be
just a case of darwinism and you need to watch what you do with
your
ride. Don't know the particulars of Reno, but the previous posts
about
dudes using pure O2 are frankly scary and self-critiquing!
Smash
Jerry Painter wrote:
Y'all--
I s'pose it goes without saying that any pressurized vessel
(like
onboard air tanks) can be dangerous. You may recall that at the
Reno
races last year a very expensive (and formerly very pretty) P-51
had a
very large hole blown in it because somebody overfilled an
oxygen tank.
Didn't happen right away either--took a while after the fill.
Fortunately (?), it happened on the ground, not in flight,
nobody hurt.
We gotta worry about both the contents and the pressure. Be
careful out
there, especially if you let somebody else service your air
supply.
Dennis' suggestion to place a conspicuous label--"compressed air
only"--by the fill port is a good one. I'd also add "maximum
pressure
50 bar (735PSI)".
P.S.
For sale: beautiful Yak-52TW, only 168TTSNEW, Whirlwind 3-blade,
King,
Garmin, lights, baggage, lotsa fuel etc. Imported and sold here
new--only $135K--half the price of a new Yak-52TW. See my
website/Barnstormers or call for details. Hope to have her at
ARS for
the benefit of inquiring minds.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
JP@FlyWBA.com
http://www.FlyWBA.com
Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Yak-List: O2 in =ashBack] air tank??????
This same situation happened a few years back and literally
ejected the
pilot from the Yak 52. It blew lines, tank and everything else.
If
someone was[LashBack] in the back seat, they would not have made
it because of the
shrapnel.
Although there is no clear way to prevent someone unfamiliar
with the
airplane with filling the pneumatic system with O2, putting a
conspicuous label at/around the external air fill port saying
"compressed air only" in big, bold, letters may help at some
point in
time.
Dennis
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V"
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: O2 in air [LashBack] tank??????
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "N395V"
>
> Just got the following e mail from a friend.
>
>
>> Just a word of caution-----perhaps something you already
know,
>> perhaps not.
>>
>> A friend with Murphy Moose that has the same engine you have
in the
>> Gryphon, just[LashBack] had a strange and costly mishap -----
>>
>> He ran the air tank down trying to start a flooded engine.
>> Apparently, when the tank was recharged, someone put oxyge n
in. This
>> happened at another airport, not his home, and he was not
aware of
>> the problem.When he started the engine, it backfired
violently, but
started.
>>
>> Not being aware that there was anything wrong, he flew home.
The next
>> time he tried to start, no air pressure.
>>
>> Seems that when it backfired, the pressure was so extream
that it
>> blew a 3000# line at the engine, as well as another fitting
on a hard
>> line, and lastly, blew the air start distributor apx 3" off
the
engine.
>>
>> Bent the lines to the cylinders, and stripped the studs out
of the
>> adapter that the air distributor sits on.
>>
>> Moral of this story, if
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| Subject: | RE: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve???? |
John,
Do you remember your part #'s.4Z CPI Compression port, RH4A NE (neoprene
Rubber BN nitrile Rubber ect, and did you get the 4000-5000 psi spring kit
or the 5000-6000 spring kit?
What fittings (thread type) did you use to anastamose the US fittings to
the metric?
For those interested the website address for Parker Instruments is as
follows:
www.parker.com/icd/cat/english/4131-RH.pdf
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: John Nafziger <jsnafziger@yahoo.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/6/2007 10:18:43 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52 Pressure relief valve????
>
>
> Mark,
>
> > The BEST solution .... Which is WAY WAY pricey... Is to purchase an
> > American made pressure relief valve and replace the Russian one...
> > Price.... $750. But... It lasts pretty much forever.
>
> Which valve are you refering too that's so expensive?
>
> I'm using a stainless steel Parker RH4A-Series adjustable relief valve
> that works nicely so far ($152.31 from Royal Instruments. I can't
> speak to the "lasts pretty much forever" part (yet), but it's stainless
> with flouro seals. Plus, it was easy to engineer into my standard 3/8"
> tubing and AN fittings, then the M14x1 thread and 42 deg metric stuff.
>
>
> Thanks,
> John
> Yak-55M, Pitts Model 12
>
>
>
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
>
>
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