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1. 05:18 AM - Re: Overhead Approaches (Jeff Linebaugh)
2. 07:39 AM - Re: Overhead Approaches (david stroud)
3. 11:33 AM - Re: Overhead Approaches (Roger Kemp M.D.)
4. 11:41 AM - Re: Overhead Approaches (Scooter)
5. 03:03 PM - Sun N Fun (Terry Calloway)
6. 03:54 PM - Great picture by FAA of red star formation at sun n fun (Stephen J. Byers)
7. 03:57 PM - Antoher Great picture by FAA of red star formation at sun n fun (Stephen J. Byers)
8. 05:49 PM - On behalf of Dragon Flight, thanks for you help this morning (Drew Blahnick)
9. 05:56 PM - SC Texas Fly-In (Drew Blahnick)
10. 06:27 PM - Re: thoughts from the peeping Smash (jon blake)
11. 06:52 PM - Aircraft photography (jon blake)
12. 07:27 PM - Re: Aircraft photography (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 08:57 PM - I'm back (Ernie)
14. 09:28 PM - Re: Aircraft photography (Ernie)
15. 09:51 PM - Re: Dissertations (Ernie)
16. 10:17 PM - Re: Overhead Approaches (Ernie)
17. 11:34 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:38 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Approaches |
Dennisgood point in my book.
A proactive suggestion to promote good will and safety: Take all the local
CFIs for rides and demonstrate/have them fly an overhead. Explain why it is
advantageous and safer to fly an overhead in these aircraft. Show them some
acro too. Dont be surprised when they are ham-fisted and dont know how to
use the rudderand are appreciative of the chance to get to learn
I take no credit for this suggestion. I have a good friend (Dr. Morris Ray
for those of you who know him too!) that has been flying T-6s and other
warbirds for years (Aeroshell team-member, etc.) He recently retired as a
neurosurgeon and took on the job as chief instructor at the local flight
school. His first order of business? Take every instructor up in his T-6.
Teach them about the rudder, flying a taildragger, show them acro, AND give
them an intro to formation and overhead approaches. (Oh and it was all for
free$$!) Since then, we have seen a marked increase in the cooperative
attitudes in the pattern, and we all feel safer.
The cooperation goes both ways We now think a bit more about how the
Cessna driver holding short #1 is paying $3 a MINUTE to watch us land (and
gets paid minimum wage pumping gas to pay for his lessons) I always look
for an excuse to stay airborne a little longer anyways: if someone is
waiting for takeoff, we go straight through for another lap around the
pattern, or delay the break to allow departures.
Just food for thought
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Approaches |
I think you lads that are trying to educate "others" rather than
belittle or
beat your intentions into them is a very good approach. I would
certainly
appreciate it. For my own education, as it is likely that I will fly in
the
same airspace as some of you in the future, would someone be kind
enough to answer these few questions when they have a chance?
1. When arriving solo at an uncontrolled strip, what
is your typical landing procedure including radio calls? I hear talk of
overhead
approach, a break, and have seen what I can only describe as a zoom /
dive
in line with the runway then zoom up to a downwind, then pretty much a
rounded base into final. What is the logic for the procedure?
2. What the heck is a cloth ear? :-) Thank you.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction
and on the gear...
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Linebaugh
To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Overhead Approaches
Dennis.good point in my book.
A proactive suggestion to promote good will and safety: Take all the
local CFIs for rides and demonstrate/have them fly an overhead. Explain
why it is advantageous and safer to fly an overhead in these aircraft.
Show them some acro too. Don't be surprised when they are ham-fisted
and don't know how to use the rudder.and are appreciative of the chance
to get to learn.
I take no credit for this suggestion. I have a good friend (Dr.
Morris Ray for those of you who know him too.!) that has been flying
T-6s and other warbirds for years (Aeroshell team-member, etc.) He
recently retired as a neurosurgeon and took on the job as chief
instructor at the local flight school. His first order of business?
Take every instructor up in his T-6. Teach them about the rudder, flying
a taildragger, show them acro, AND give them an intro to formation and
overhead approaches. (Oh and it was all for free.$$!) Since then, we
have seen a marked increase in the cooperative attitudes in the pattern,
and we all feel safer.
The cooperation goes both ways. We now think a bit more about how the
Cessna driver holding short #1 is paying $3 a MINUTE to watch us land
(and gets paid minimum wage pumping gas to pay for his lessons.) I
always look for an excuse to stay airborne a little longer anyways: if
someone is waiting for takeoff, we go straight through for another lap
around the pattern, or delay the break to allow departures.
Just food for thought.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Overhead Approaches |
David,
I have not seen anyone try to reply to this post yet so here goes.
Cloth ear? Sorry, I have not got a clue..Can only assume it refers to the
earlier generation of civilian pilots that flew with cloth helmets and head
sets. Or maybe it refers to civilian pilots in general with out a clue. Then
again it could reference the WW I aviators with no radios or the early 30's
aviators.
The dive from intial to fly a 500 ft low approach with it terminating with a
climbing turn to pattern downwind is a WW II approach. The FAA (US)
discourages the use of that type approach for pattern entry. It is a setup
for an accelerated stall as the high G base turn from the overhead break
could be too.
Cotton ear I understand. Those are the children that had an ear ache. Their
mothers had put Aralgan anesthestic drops (or someother otic medication) in
the ear to stop the pain. Obviously the cotton ear plug was to keep the
medication from running out. They had trouble hearing with all that crap in
the way though.
The overheads that most of us discussed so far refer to what essentially is
a circle that is with the crosswind turn begining over the approach end
numbers. The shape of the circle maybe symetrical or oval depending on the
number in the flight and the comfort level of the single ship pilot for
doing a tight turning break over the numbers. The circle maybe just be
that, a symetrical spiraling down approach and landing that begins about 1
to 1.5 mi from the numbers on stabilization of the flight or individual
aircraft if solo. It is begun 500 feet above the pattern altitude. This
circle like the square patterns has 4 quarters to it. The intial entry,
cross wind turn, downwind, base turn, and final. If it is a single aircraft
flying the overhead, the intial approach point is typically 3 to 5 miles
from the airfield but can be 2 or 1 mile. The radio call is typically, YAK
(CJ) N number 3 miles Initial, over head, 27 or whatever runway that is
active. At intial entry, the a/c is at 500 feet above pattern altitude (if
flown as discribe in the FAR) and is beginning a decent to pattern altitude
to arrive on downwind at pattern altitude. In other words, the cross wind
turn is a descending turn. The "break" begins as the a/c arrives over the
approach end runway numbers. It is flown at 2 g's, 60 degrees of bank, and
for 180 degrees of turn so as to rollout on downwind parrallel to the
runway. The inboard wingtip typically is on or near the edge of the runway.
The radio call is "YAK 60 Sierra Hotel downwind 27" if that is the runway
you are landing on. The gear is dropped at the "perch" (abeam the approach
end numbers) and the decending base turn is begun or continued if the
singleton is doing an approach end break. The radio call is "YAK 60 Sierra
Hotel, Base, Gear, Pressure, Full Stop 27 (or Low Approach and/or touch and
go for closed 27)". Closed simplely meaning I'm staying in the pattern with
entry to cross wind coming as a climbing turn at the departure end numbers.
The base curvalinear turn continues throughout the base turn (about 30
degress for some and for the bigger risk takers.60 degrees of bank) to roll
out on final about 50 to 100 ft AGL over the TDZ stablizing for landing and
making the radio call, "YAK 60 Sierra Hotel , Final, full stop 27 ( if
making a full stop)". Granted the roll out altitude may vary some and
particularly for me with the 50, that turn keeps coming until I'm about 8 to
10 feet above the runway ( angle of bank is intuitively lessened to keep
from scrubbing a wingtip). This being because the continued turn allows me
to see my approach to the runway longer along the side of that long nose
before that 13 degrees of Alpha blocks out the runway in a 3 point landing
attitude.
The overhead maybe the symetrical circle as just discribed or it maybe
elongated to an oval shape if the single aircraft or a flight of aircraft
are entering the pattern. The break may come at the intial end of the
runway, mid field, or at the departure end (or some point after the approach
end numbers but before the departure end numbers). Nothing is written in
concret on where the break will be begun.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david stroud
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Overhead Approaches
I think you lads that are trying to educate "others" rather than belittle or
beat your intentions into them is a very good approach. I would certainly
appreciate it. For my own education, as it is likely that I will fly in the
same airspace as some of you in the future, would someone be kind
enough to answer these few questions when they have a chance?
1. When arriving solo at an uncontrolled strip, what
is your typical landing procedure including radio calls? I hear talk of
overhead
approach, a break, and have seen what I can only describe as a zoom / dive
in line with the runway then zoom up to a downwind, then pretty much a
rounded base into final. What is the logic for the procedure?
2. What the heck is a cloth ear? :-) Thank you.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction
and on the gear...
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <mailto:jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net> Linebaugh
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Overhead Approaches
Dennis.good point in my book.
A proactive suggestion to promote good will and safety: Take all the local
CFIs for rides and demonstrate/have them fly an overhead. Explain why it is
advantageous and safer to fly an overhead in these aircraft. Show them some
acro too. Don't be surprised when they are ham-fisted and don't know how to
use the rudder.and are appreciative of the chance to get to learn.
I take no credit for this suggestion. I have a good friend (Dr. Morris Ray
for those of you who know him too.!) that has been flying T-6s and other
warbirds for years (Aeroshell team-member, etc.) He recently retired as a
neurosurgeon and took on the job as chief instructor at the local flight
school. His first order of business? Take every instructor up in his T-6.
Teach them about the rudder, flying a taildragger, show them acro, AND give
them an intro to formation and overhead approaches. (Oh and it was all for
free.$$!) Since then, we have seen a marked increase in the cooperative
attitudes in the pattern, and we all feel safer.
The cooperation goes both ways. We now think a bit more about how the
Cessna driver holding short #1 is paying $3 a MINUTE to watch us land (and
gets paid minimum wage pumping gas to pay for his lessons.) I always look
for an excuse to stay airborne a little longer anyways: if someone is
waiting for takeoff, we go straight through for another lap around the
pattern, or delay the break to allow departures.
Just food for thought.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Approaches |
" 2. What the heck is a cloth ear? :-) Thank you."
>From the net:
Cloth Ear
Noun: A deaf person; a person who is hard of hearing.
Originates from the northern English county of Lancashire and in particular Blackburn
during the industrial revolution. Blackburn was home to many cotton mills
(weaving and spinning)- commonly very noisy places that caused deafness due
to the noise and a buildup of cotton dust in the ear.
Oi - cloth ears... are tha' deaf? I said come here!
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If you weren't at Sun N Fun, this is what you missed. )P
http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=79f201ea ( http://www.airsho
wbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=79f201ea )
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| Subject: | Great picture by FAA of red star formation at sun n fun |
http://www.ato.faa.gov/Sun_Fun/index.html?photo=16
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| Subject: | Antoher Great picture by FAA of red star formation at sun n |
fun
http://www.ato.faa.gov/Sun_Fun/index.html?photo=27
thiis is on worth framing ..
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From: Stephen J. Byers [mailto:steve@sennex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:54 PM
Cc: 'Drew Blahnick'
Subject: Great picture by FAA of red star formation at sun n fun
http://www.ato.faa.gov/Sun_Fun/index.html?photo=16
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| Subject: | On behalf of Dragon Flight, thanks for you help this morning |
Folks,
The discussion has been lively on the issue of formation ops at non towered fields
concerning the recent near miss. Some of our pilots involved are writing
up a "There I was..." article for the magazine, with some recommendations taken
in part from all the responses in your posts here.
Although I may not see every post on the yak list, I wanted to support something
Cliff wrote in his post below:
The next time you hear good callouts from a spam can
driver, go up to him when he's tying down and compliment him on his
procedure. He'll appreciate it, you'll feel good and you will have
created a very attentive joint user of the airspace from that point on.
Cliff Umscheid, YAK 50
Our use of disciplined radio procedures, brevity in formation communications,
pre-coodination of formation operations with local agencys when needed (tower
controllers) and the use of the occassional "thank you" produces a culture in
RedStar that serves you, the warbid owner, well. As we go through our paces
marshalling the flight into or out of the airport, I try to end it with a thank
you to the controllers - as you might imagine, this professional courtesy often
produces the patience and extra effort (traffic coordination for example)
that we all need/desire from these folks...
Please Note: Formation qualified or not, even if your Yak, CJ or L-29/39 is down
for MX or in the paint shop (bring the Cessna), If you live in OK, KS, LA
or TX, or anywhere in the SouthCentral region, the RPA is sponsoring a Fly-In/meet
and greet and "future central event" planning session for May 10-13th at
a field "near Dallas" ( inquotations as the Texans are scrubbing a few local airports
in te area). I've recieved several requests for something in Texas, a
region with ample membership; if you would like to see an annual event, please
attempt to fly out for this local meet and greet, even if its just for one day.
If you are new to formation ops and interestd in getting started, this is a
great opportunity to see where the program is heading (should be plenty of empty
seats for an observation flight if desired)
We will:
- Have a discussion group/plans session on dates and locations for a proposed
annual event
- Conduct a formation ground school and overview of the new formation manual
tools
- Conduct form flight training, rec rides and evals as required
- Have fun, meet who's who in this area...
Date, Location and Registration:
The event is listed on the Fly-In page at www.flyredstar.org as the SC/texas fly-in, please register online, its free, and insures we have an accurate head count and contact info...
Fly-ins are the best fun you can have as a warbid owner, if you live in this
area, drop by and be counted in support of this annual event concept...
Drew
Drew A. Blahnick
RPA President
www.flyredstar.org
V.954.636.7560
F.305.675.3940
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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Formation qualified or not, even if your Yak, CJ or L-29/39 is down for MX or in
the paint shop (bring the Cessna), If you live in OK, KS, LA or TX, or anywhere
in the SouthCentral region, the RPA is sponsoring a Fly-In/meet and greet
and "future central event" planning session for May 10-13th at a field "near Dallas"
( inquotations as the Texans are scrubbing a few local airports in the
area). Come on out and lets hear your ideas....
We realize it is Mother's Day weekend (Sun), so even if you can show for a day,
or must depart Saturday afternoon, come on out. We found a very talented free
lance aviation photographer (or really he found us) who will mail you frameable
shots of your warbird at no cost except postage (RPA will cover his supplies).
I've recieved several requests for something in Texas over the years, a region
with ample membership; if you would like to see an annual event, please attempt
to fly out for this local meet and greet. If you are new to formation ops
and interestd in getting started, this is a great opportunity to see where the
program is heading (should be plenty of empty seats for an observation flight
if desired)
We will:
- Have a discussion group/plans session on dates and locations for a proposed
annual event
- Conduct a formation ground school and overview of the new formation manual
tools
- Conduct form flight training, rec rides and evals as required
- Have fun, meet who's who in this area...
Date, Location and Registration:
The event is listed on the Fly-In page at www.flyredstar.org as the SC/texas fly-in, please register online, its free, and insures we have an accurate head count and contact info...
Fly-ins are the best fun you can have as a warbid owner, if you live in this
area, drop by and be counted in support of this annual event concept...
Drew
Drew A. Blahnick
RPA President
www.flyredstar.org
V.954.636.7560
F.305.675.3940
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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | thoughts from the peeping Smash |
Agreed!!
Respectfully,
Jon Blake
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: Yak-List: thoughts from the peeping Smash
I have been reading all of the back n forth on the near miss issue and
rather than get defensive or place blame, I think everyone needs to look
in the mirror for a second and think about the last time they were
affected by a similar situation, either of your own doing, or someone
elses. My guess is that it was probably in the last year, if you fly
with any frequency.
I think about coming into the pattern, like being a motorcycle driver.
Even if you wear protective gear, run with your lights on during the
day, have loud pipes, been through a motorcycle safety course, etc.
Some dumn A$$ can still run into you with his pickup and kill you, cuz
he isn't paying attention and doesn't see you. Lost an 20 year old A1C
last night due to this very scenario. My point is, expect stupidity,
and then you won't be surprised when a dude doesn't follow SOP.
Defensive flying guys....
Smash
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Check out new
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ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-
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| Subject: | Aircraft photography |
Rarely do all the factors line up...lighting, distance, clarity,
composition, etc., so that a terrific picture is taken.
This is such a time.
A spectacular view of the moon from an aircraft.
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| Subject: | Aircraft photography |
Have seen it before. Nothing like being mooned by the nose gunner!
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jon blake
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Aircraft photography
Rarely do all the factors line up...lighting, distance, clarity,
composition, etc., so that a terrific picture is taken.
This is such a time.
A spectacular view of the moon from an aircraft.
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Well it seems that I may have sold the Jet, so I'm gonna keep the CJ....(or at
least the price has gone up considerably). Did a memorial flight today with Dick
Langer, Soups Cambell and another non-RPA CJ driver for a neighbor here at
Leeward who went west. Dick is vacuming up ashes from his back seat, and I had
a great flight with no radio. ( 430 went with the Bonanza) so I relied on hand
signals. I had a hand held so I could hear but couldnt transmit (Much to everyones
delight).
Yes I bought the boat.. a Nordhavn 40, but I'm keeping the house.
Anyway hold on your hats cause I'm back......
I guess I cant wait to start something.....During the Leeward flyin seemed like
lead was a little low.... last elements where being dragged through the dirt
and had to stack up into the wake @ 600 feet. Who was lead anyway?
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft photography |
I guess I'm dense but being an amature photograper, I looked an looked, and saw
decent highlights and shadows, basically good exposure, good framing, and interesting
perspective, but nothing out of the ordinary that really stood out. Wasnt
untill my wife pointed out the moon :) Damn I hate getting old and losing
my eyesight..ugh lead where are you?????
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Dissertations |
Just ask Craig Payne or Pappy, or anyone else who has ever flown with me. I'm a
friggin chicken. I think I will coin a new term, I am a "PatternTrafficCondriac".
Which is to say that I'm the kind of guy who transmits traffic reports like
... in the State...20 miles out....5 miles out...3 miles out....joining the
downwind...on the downwind....turning base.....on final...short final...then
I announce my gear being down...( I once had some schmuck ask if my pants were
also)....on the ground.....clear of runway..( I was once admonished when I said
clear of the active, appraently that is only appropriate at towered airports),
but thats open to another thread.
One day Craig was leading a 4 ship into OCF,. Now being a local, I know that on
weekends this particular airport is a beehive of activity with local training,
and its a favorite destination for PPT X-Countries from SFB, DAB and DED, along
the edge of restricted area 2906 in FL. So I was a bit apprehensive about
our silence as we approached the airport 10 miles to the south on the ILS approach
to that airport on a CAVU day.
Well not to be out of character, 2 (me) alerted Craig that we should be a little
more pro-active in our position reports. Craig, the diplomat that he is ignored
my lack of radio dicipline and continued on his stealthy approach to OCF.
To my dismay there were no incidents and we landed with no bogeys in sight and
ended the flight perfectly safe.
Which is to prove...as long as you have a paranoid wing, luck will prevail :)
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Approaches |
I've been reading with great interest this thread. I agree with everything. But
its been over complicated.....Make your intentions known well ahead of time,
if a spammer says...huh????? and then you hear other people making pattern calls
after you have made your intentions perfectly clear....." Red Flight of 4,
3 mile initial RW 27, we will be flying upwind with a left hand break to land.....
and you are 2 miles out and you still hear "Uhhh Cesna N4321DA uhm turning
base ............RW 27 uh touch....uhhh full stop....no wait....go around...."NEW
VOICE ON RADIO"...172DeltaAlpha going around........
Once needs to say should we prodceed?
Ernie
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Yak-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Yak-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Yak-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Yak-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
yak-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "yak-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Yak-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Yak-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/yak-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Yak-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Yak-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Yak-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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