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1. 07:44 AM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
2. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 09:55 AM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
4. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Walter Lannon)
5. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Mark Weidhaas)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Doug Sapp)
8. 11:29 AM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
9. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
10. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (viperdoc)
11. 12:46 PM - Yak-52 - Warbird! (Scooter)
12. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Mark Weidhaas)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Scooter)
14. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Baker)
15. 01:02 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Scooter)
16. 01:05 PM - Spinner Survey (Craig Payne)
17. 01:08 PM - Re: WARBIRDS? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
18. 01:08 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
19. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Roger Baker)
20. 01:27 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Scooter)
21. 01:31 PM - Re: WARBIRDS? (A. Dennis Savarese)
22. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Roger Baker)
23. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
24. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
25. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Roger Kemp)
26. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Mark Davis)
27. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
28. 02:18 PM - Re: Spinner Survey (Roger Kemp)
29. 02:18 PM - Re: WARBIRDS? (Roger Kemp)
30. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (viperdoc)
31. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (viperdoc)
32. 02:45 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Tim Gagnon)
33. 03:03 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Craig Payne)
34. 03:57 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
35. 03:57 PM - Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! (Zjopa)
36. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
37. 04:00 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
38. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
39. 05:55 PM - Oshkosh 07' (David McGirt)
40. 06:02 PM - Re: Spinner Survey (Roger Bieberdorf)
41. 06:08 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Tim Gagnon)
42. 06:27 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
43. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Terry Lewis)
44. 07:54 PM - Re: Contact info for Yak 52 annual in San Francisco Bay Area (Mark Schrick)
45. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Mark Davis)
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Lets define War Bird:
Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a jet pilot
helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
Not a Chang.
These are pseudo war birds.
Real War Bird:
P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
The thought that 52s and CJs are war birds is amusing!
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an
aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including
flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is
considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly
the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines the
aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds". But the trainers were/are
used by the military, including the US. People are most definitely entitled
to their own interpretation of the term "warbird". Only those who own the
"big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's,
Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's, typically look down on us lowly
trainers as not being true "warbirds". The 11's never saw combat and were
a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced
trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport. Thus the Yak 11 in the purest
sense of the word "warbird" is not a warbird either.
Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because
they were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't say
the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact, several
former eastern block countries still have them in their air force and use
them as primary military trainers. We all know they are not, again in the
purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just a matter of your
personal viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of America definition,
I think you will find the above explanation follows for the most part, the
WOA definition.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>
> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a
> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>
> Not a Chang.
>
> These are pseudo war birds.
>
> Real War Bird:
>
> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>
> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Dennis
You make good point. Also well taken too.
I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs with
its connection to the 3U.
This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War Bird. Just splitting
hairs.
In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament and such. The 50 certainly
doesnt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it was actually used
during war time too.
If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will fly
my Yaks.
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You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Sort of agree with most of that Dennis but you state " certainly the
trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were never
used in a war ----- or in combat" . That I must disagree with.
The T6 and Harvard were in combat in numerous wars from Algeria to Korea.
They were operated by the French in Algeria and the USAF in Korea and by
many African countries in between.
Surely you have not forgotten the T28 operations in Loas and Vietnam by the
US. Also used by the French in Algeria.
The Yak 11 was very likely used in combat operations as well - Reportedly
the first kill by the USAF in Korea was by an F82 - The adversary? a Yak
11!!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an
> aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including
> flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is
> considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly
> the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
> never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines
> the aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds". But the trainers
> were/are used by the military, including the US. People are most
> definitely entitled to their own interpretation of the term "warbird".
> Only those who own the "big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's
> FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's, Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's,
> typically look down on us lowly trainers as not being true "warbirds".
> The 11's never saw combat and were a 2 seat modification/redesign of the
> Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport.
> Thus the Yak 11 in the purest sense of the word "warbird" is not a warbird
> either.
>
> Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because
> they were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't
> say the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact,
> several former eastern block countries still have them in their air force
> and use them as primary military trainers. We all know they are not,
> again in the purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just a
> matter of your personal viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of
> America definition, I think you will find the above explanation follows
> for the most part, the WOA definition.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
>>
>> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>>
>> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a
>> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>>
>> Not a Chang.
>>
>> These are pseudo war birds.
>>
>> Real War Bird:
>>
>> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>>
>> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>>
>> --------
>> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
You are correct (again) Walt. As for the Yak 11, it was not designed as a
combat aircraft. More as a 2 seat trainer version of the Yak 3U. But I
guess since it was shot down by a jet, that makes it a "warbird". Oh well!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Sort of agree with most of that Dennis but you state " certainly the
> trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were never
> used in a war ----- or in combat" . That I must disagree with.
>
> The T6 and Harvard were in combat in numerous wars from Algeria to Korea.
> They were operated by the French in Algeria and the USAF in Korea and by
> many African countries in between.
> Surely you have not forgotten the T28 operations in Loas and Vietnam by
> the US. Also used by the French in Algeria.
> The Yak 11 was very likely used in combat operations as well - Reportedly
> the first kill by the USAF in Korea was by an F82 - The adversary? a Yak
> 11!!
> Cheers;
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an
>> aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including
>> flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is
>> considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly
>> the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
>> never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines
>> the aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds". But the trainers
>> were/are used by the military, including the US. People are most
>> definitely entitled to their own interpretation of the term "warbird".
>> Only those who own the "big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's
>> FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's, Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's,
>> typically look down on us lowly trainers as not being true "warbirds".
>> The 11's never saw combat and were a 2 seat modification/redesign of the
>> Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport.
>> Thus the Yak 11 in the purest sense of the word "warbird" is not a
>> warbird either.
>>
>> Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because
>> they were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't
>> say the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact,
>> several former eastern block countries still have them in their air force
>> and use them as primary military trainers. We all know they are not,
>> again in the purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just
>> a matter of your personal viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of
>> America definition, I think you will find the above explanation follows
>> for the most part, the WOA definition.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>>>
>>> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and
>>> a
>>> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>>>
>>> Not a Chang.
>>>
>>> These are pseudo war birds.
>>>
>>> Real War Bird:
>>>
>>> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>>>
>>> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>>>
>>> --------
>>> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my
six!!!! :-)
Mark Weidhaas
Yak 52 "36"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Dennis
You make good point. Also well taken too.
I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting
hairs with its connection to the 3U.
This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term
=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93War Bird=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. Just splitting
hairs.
In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
Neither one of my Yak 52=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s had any provisions
for armament and such. The 50 certainly doesn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t
either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it was actually used
during war time too.
If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I
will fly my Yaks.
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
6/10/2007 1:39 PM
6/10/2007 1:39 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Just could not resist this:
Bed Check Charley was a Yak 18, powered by a 5 cly M11FR engine which
developed 160 hp. When two N. Korean pilots defected in it it was found
to have been fitted with "Yak 11 bomb racks". It now is on display with
the rest of the Silver Hill / Smithsonian aircraft. Check it out.
Am back from another long trip to the Nanchang motherland, bought a full
20 foot container of parts and pieces. If any of you are waiting for
QDF-1 (start sol. valves) I did manage to bring 6 back with me in my
baggage. First come first served. Additional stock will arrive here
in about 60 to 90 days with the container.
Always Yakin,
Doug
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> You are correct (again) Walt. As for the Yak 11, it was not designed
> as a combat aircraft. More as a 2 seat trainer version of the Yak
> 3U. But I guess since it was shot down by a jet, that makes it a
> "warbird". Oh well!
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon"
> <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
>> <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>
>> Sort of agree with most of that Dennis but you state " certainly the
>> trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
>> never used in a war ----- or in combat" . That I must disagree with.
>>
>> The T6 and Harvard were in combat in numerous wars from Algeria to
>> Korea. They were operated by the French in Algeria and the USAF in
>> Korea and by many African countries in between.
>> Surely you have not forgotten the T28 operations in Loas and Vietnam
>> by the US. Also used by the French in Algeria.
>> The Yak 11 was very likely used in combat operations as well -
>> Reportedly the first kill by the USAF in Korea was by an F82 - The
>> adversary? a Yak 11!!
>> Cheers;
>> Walt
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>>
>>
>>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>>
>>> The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe
>>> an aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes
>>> including flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that
>>> an L-Bird is considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic
>>> definition. Certainly the trainers used by numerous country's
>>> military, including the US, were never used in a "war" so to speak.
>>> Or in combat which of course defines the aircraft you included in
>>> your list of "warbirds". But the trainers were/are used by the
>>> military, including the US. People are most definitely entitled to
>>> their own interpretation of the term "warbird". Only those who own
>>> the "big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's FW190's, Zero's,
>>> Bearcat's, Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's, typically look
>>> down on us lowly trainers as not being true "warbirds". The 11's
>>> never saw combat and were a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak
>>> 3U into a Yak 11 advanced trainer/liaison aircraft/utility
>>> transport. Thus the Yak 11 in the purest sense of the word "warbird"
>>> is not a warbird either.
>>>
>>> Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds"
>>> because they were used by military organizations as trainers. And
>>> please don't say the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian
>>> DOSAFF. In fact, several former eastern block countries still have
>>> them in their air force and use them as primary military trainers.
>>> We all know they are not, again in the purest meaning of the word
>>> "warbird", a warbird. It's just a matter of your personal
>>> viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of America definition, I
>>> think you will find the above explanation follows for the most part,
>>> the WOA definition.
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>>>>
>>>> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit
>>>> and a
>>>> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>
>>>> Not a Chang.
>>>>
>>>> These are pseudo war birds.
>>>>
>>>> Real War Bird:
>>>>
>>>> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
mark(at)alternativesolar. wrote:
> The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my six!!!! :-)
>
>
> Mark Weidhaas
> Yak 52 "36"
>
>
>
>
> --
Now thats amusing. Looks like an orange jack stand (behind the prop) holding the
other one up. It would be better suited keeping it on the Hind, as it would
be faster.
Unless you flying a J-3 cub I dont think you would need to worry about your 6
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Well that ought to really slow that 52 down making it a really good target! Bet
when he fires those 7.62's he's hanging on the stall warning horn or standing
still from the recoil.
Just when I was about to bring up the YAK 53 (?) that Kilo has been flying intermittently,
along comes this with hard points and rocket launchers hanging under
the wing.
Mark, where is this quit deadly 52 flying out of? Got any more pictures of her?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my six!!!! :-)
Mark Weidhaas
Yak 52 "36"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Dennis
You make good point. Also well taken too.
I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs with
its connection to the 3U.
This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War Bird. Just splitting
hairs.
In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament and such. The 50 certainly
doesnt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it was actually used
during war time too.
If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will fly
my Yaks.
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Least we not forget the fast movers that liked to salvo those choice little rockets.
We would be remiss in not identifying those aircraft the used them in close
air support. Like the Flogger, Fishbed, Flanker,and Frogfoot just to name
some of the many iron curtain aircraft that sported those nasty little buggers!
Now we see someone had the bright idea of hanging the launchers on the lowly
trainers too. Is nothing sacred?
"It would be better suited keeping it on the Hind, as it would be faster.
Well at 80 -90% with a positive V sub C closing to about 1500 ft, that Cub is probably
toast. Figure the YAK is going to be bingo at the merge though with those
big parasites hanging out there. And to say the least, flying backwards when
he pickles that salvo! The gear's nothing compared to drag from those guys!
Unless you flying a J-3 cub I dont think you would need to worry about your 6"
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| Subject: | Yak-52 - Warbird! |
I'm not sure what to think of the following bit of history from Wikipedia but if
true it catapults the diminutive Yak-52 trainer to the status of WARBIRD (much
to the chagrin of some I'm sure):
"The Abkhazian Air Force is a small air force operating from the Georgian breakaway
state of Abkhazia. Few details are available on its formation, but it is
reported to have been established by Viyacheslav Eshba based upon several Yak-52
trainer aircraft armed with machine guns.[1] Its first combat mission was conducted
on 27 August 1992, which has come to be celebrated in Abkhazia as "Aviation
Day." The Abkhaz Air Force claims to have made 400 operational flights
during the 1992-1993 Abkhaz-Georgian civil war.[1] Abkhaz combat losses during
the civil war are uncertain, but include a Yak-52 on a reconnaissance mission
near Sukhumi on 4 July 1993.[2]"
So is Abkhazia a real place or something from the movie "Borat"? Was it made up
by Yak owners to give them "warbird" status? If it's real then would it be
possible to join them in joint exercises or possibly as a foreign mercenary force
(ala the Flying Tigers)? Is their beer any good? So many questions...
Here's the Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Air_Force
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Hi Doc,
This is the only picture of the deadly 52 that I could find in the Yak websites.
She is appropriately numbered lucky number 07 on the cowl. The front tire
is quite flat in the picture and the red jack under the left pod is another
indication that she may not be so lucky. I wonder if the pods are aux. fuel
tanks in disguise.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Well that ought to really slow that 52 down making it a really good target! Bet
when he fires those 7.62's he's hanging on the stall warning horn or standing
still from the recoil.
Just when I was about to bring up the YAK 53 (?) that Kilo has been flying intermittently,
along comes this with hard points and rocket launchers hanging under
the wing.
Mark, where is this quit deadly 52 flying out of? Got any more pictures of her?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my six!!!! :-)
Mark Weidhaas
Yak 52 "36"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Dennis
You make good point. Also well taken too.
I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs with
its connection to the 3U.
This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War Bird. Just splitting
hairs.
In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament and such. The 50 certainly
doesnt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it was actually used
during war time too.
If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will fly
my Yaks.
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?! According to the article
they currently only have one Yak-52 in their Air Force. I'm attaching
a graphic of their Air Force Roundel. This just can't be real...
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Hi Mark,
I'm sorry that I did not give you details of the Yak 52 with
the rocket pods when I sent you the picture. It's in the Russian Air
Force museum at Monino near Moscow.
Best regards,
Roger
Baker___________________________________________________________________
_______________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Mark Weidhaas wrote:
> <mark@alternativesolar.com>
>
> Hi Doc,
>
> This is the only picture of the deadly 52 that I could find in the
> Yak websites. She is appropriately numbered lucky number 07 on the
> cowl. The front tire is quite flat in the picture and the red
> jack under the left pod is another indication that she may not be
> so lucky. I wonder if the pods are aux. fuel tanks in disguise.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Well that ought to really slow that 52 down making it a really good
> target! Bet when he fires those 7.62's he's hanging on the stall
> warning horn or standing still from the recoil.
> Just when I was about to bring up the YAK 53 (?) that Kilo has been
> flying intermittently, along comes this with hard points and rocket
> launchers hanging under the wing.
> Mark, where is this quit deadly 52 flying out of? Got any more
> pictures of her?
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:37 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my
> six!!!! :-)
>
>
> Mark Weidhaas
> Yak 52 "36"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
> Dennis
>
> You make good point. Also well taken too.
>
> I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try
> splitting hairs with its connection to the 3U.
>
> This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War
> Bird. Just splitting hairs.
>
> In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
>
> Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament
> and such. The 50 certainly doesnt either. The t-6 across the
> way has them. Also it was actually used during war time too.
>
> If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then
> I will fly my Yaks.
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
>
>
> 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
>
> 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
This appears to be real.
>From the UC Berkely Reference:
"The Abkhaz Air Force was created by Viyacheslav Eshba. August 27 is celebrated
in Abkhazia as Aviation Day. That day in 1992, the first Abkhaz combat planes
- several sport Soviet-build Yak-52 armed with machine guns - took off. Later
on, Abkhazia managed to get some helicopters. During the war the Abkhaz Air Force
made 400 flights.
In September 1992, Lev Katiba, the captain of a civil ship, began to build up the
Abkhaz Navy. He transformed several tourist boats into battle ships having
armed them with machine guns and grenade launchers."
>From ACIG (Air Combat Information Group):
"Initially, the Georgians held their positions and reported a number of successful
defensive operations, including downing of a Russian Su-25 over Suchumi, on
3 July, as well as a Yak-52 reconnaissance aircraft and a Mi-8T (in the Tkwartichely
area) on the following day."
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Ever since I was a small boy, flying with my father in surplus warbirds, I have
had this thing about large, well formed propeller spinners. At this stage in
my life, I'm not worried about why this is so, nor am I seeking cyber-therapy
so spare me please. The Crowder I have on my CJ now receives regular waxing
and polishing - Hmmm. However my purpose here is to seek out others with a similiar
afflictation whom may be interested in obtaining a competitively priced,
metal spinner that I am designing.
Another affliction of mine is I can't stop making "stuff" for airplanes of all
sorts and I can't seem to leave well-enough alone; sigh.
My proposed spinner will be smaller than the 24" diameter Crowder but larger than
the 16-1/2" Yak-18T fiberglass spinner (I have both). If others were interested,
my development cost could be spread over a small batch run. I have improved
my Crowder somewhat but a re-design is what I'm really looking at. Mounting
plates would be available for the M-14P flange, Housai prop hub, and eventually,
the SAE flange used on MT props. Another possibility is to use my tooling
for a carbon-fiber shell over the metal mounting structure.
Reply to my email for a show of interest. My time-line on this is a small production
run in 6 - 8 months, as some work will be sublet.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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I bought my airplane to make me happy. It does that very well. Warbird or "otherwise".
In this regard, my opinion is the only one that matters. Sorry.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. With due respect to Dennis's excellent posting of course.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
--> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an aircraft
used by a military organizaton for military purposes including flight training.
One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is considered a "warbird".
But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly the trainers used by numerous
country's military, including the US, were never used in a "war" so to
speak. Or in combat which of course defines the aircraft you included in your
list of "warbirds". But the trainers were/are used by the military, including
the US. People are most definitely entitled to their own interpretation of the
term "warbird". Only those who own the "big iron" like the P51's, Spit's,
Corsair's FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's, Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's, typically
look down on us lowly
trainers as not being true "warbirds". The 11's never saw combat and were
a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced trainer/liaison
aircraft/utility transport. Thus the Yak 11 in the purest sense of the word
"warbird" is not a warbird either.
Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because they
were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't say the Yak
52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact, several former eastern
block countries still have them in their air force and use them as primary
military trainers. We all know they are not, again in the purest meaning of
the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just a matter of your personal viewpoint.
If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of America definition, I think you will find
the above explanation follows for the most part, the WOA definition.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>
> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a
> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>
> Not a Chang.
>
> These are pseudo war birds.
>
> Real War Bird:
>
> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>
> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
viperdoc(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> Least we not forget the fast movers that liked to salvo those choice little rockets.
We would be remiss in not identifying those aircraft the used them in
close air support. Like the Flogger, Fishbed, Flanker,and Frogfoot just to name
some of the many iron curtain aircraft that sported those nasty little buggers!
Now we see someone had the bright idea of hanging the launchers on the lowly
trainers too. Is nothing sacred?
>
> "It would be better suited keeping it on the Hind, as it would be faster.
>
> Well at 80 -90% with a positive V sub C closing to about 1500 ft, that Cub is
probably toast. Figure the YAK is going to be bingo at the merge though with
those big parasites hanging out there. And to say the least, flying backwards
when he pickles that salvo! The gear's nothing compared to drag from those guys!
> Unless you flying a J-3 cub I dont think you would need to worry about your 6"
>
> Doc
>
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>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny". Oppressed people who have
to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.
We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much
less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the
Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't
belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...
Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......
_______________________________________________________________________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:
>
> This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?!
> According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in
> their Air Force. I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force
> Roundel. This just can't be real...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
hey f4ffm2. don't be such a melodramatic asshole.
f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net wrote:
> I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny". Oppressed people who have
> to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.
> We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much
> less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the
> Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't
> belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...
>
> Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......
> _______________________________________________________________________
> On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?!
> > According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in
> > their Air Force. I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force
> > Roundel. This just can't be real...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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That's right! And I agree Mark.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: WARBIRDS?
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> I bought my airplane to make me happy. It does that very well. Warbird
> or "otherwise".
>
> In this regard, my opinion is the only one that matters. Sorry.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
> P.s. With due respect to Dennis's excellent posting of course.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:17
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> --> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an
> aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including
> flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is
> considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly
> the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
> never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines
> the aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds". But the trainers
> were/are used by the military, including the US. People are most
> definitely entitled to their own interpretation of the term "warbird".
> Only those who own the "big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's
> FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's, Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's,
> typically look down on us lowly
> trainers as not being true "warbirds". The 11's never saw combat and
> were
> a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced
> trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport. Thus the Yak 11 in the purest
> sense of the word "warbird" is not a warbird either.
>
> Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because
> they were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't
> say the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact,
> several former eastern block countries still have them in their air force
> and use them as primary military trainers. We all know they are not,
> again in the purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just a
> matter of your personal viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of
> America definition, I think you will find the above explanation follows
> for the most part, the WOA definition.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
>>
>> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>>
>> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a
>> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>>
>> Not a Chang.
>>
>> These are pseudo war birds.
>>
>> Real War Bird:
>>
>> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>>
>> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>>
>> --------
>> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
I love replies like Scooters. It tells me, in great clarity,
everything I ever want to know about that person.
Say whatever you like Scooter....it was your pathetic little thread
anyway.
Perhaps I am an asshole....but I certainly wasn't being
melodramatic.__________________________________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Scooter wrote:
>
> hey f4ffm2. don't be such a melodramatic asshole.
>
>
> f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net wrote:
>> I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny". Oppressed people who have
>> to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.
>> We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much
>> less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the
>> Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't
>> belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate...
>>
>> Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> __
>> On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?!
>>> According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in
>>> their Air Force. I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force
>>> Roundel. This just can't be real...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Mark,
Afraid I have had the pleasure of examining those launchers up close. They appear
pretty real from that picture. But what a drag they would be when emptied not
to say anything about when they are being emptied!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Hi Doc,
This is the only picture of the deadly 52 that I could find in the Yak websites.
She is appropriately numbered lucky number 07 on the cowl. The front tire
is quite flat in the picture and the red jack under the left pod is another
indication that she may not be so lucky. I wonder if the pods are aux. fuel
tanks in disguise.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Well that ought to really slow that 52 down making it a really good target! Bet
when he fires those 7.62's he's hanging on the stall warning horn or standing
still from the recoil.
Just when I was about to bring up the YAK 53 (?) that Kilo has been flying intermittently,
along comes this with hard points and rocket launchers hanging under
the wing.
Mark, where is this quit deadly 52 flying out of? Got any more pictures of her?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my six!!!! :-)
Mark Weidhaas
Yak 52 "36"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Dennis
You make good point. Also well taken too.
I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs with
its connection to the 3U.
This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War Bird. Just splitting
hairs.
In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament and such. The 50 certainly
doesnt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it was actually used
during war time too.
If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will fly
my Yaks.
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
6/10/2007 1:39 PM
6/10/2007 1:39 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
Roger, I do not believe you are anything but a nice guy. On the other
hand, I have no interest at all in reading about your political point of
view, foreign or domestic.
This list is a place to talk about airplanes, and not one designed to
exercise your rights to free speech. Saying this does indeed make me a
hypocrite, because I have been guilty of the same mistake you are making
in the past.
But as they say, what goes around, comes around... So now it is my turn.
If you really just HAVE to discuss "oppressed people" then please write
to me personally and I will be glad to tell you about my life's
experience dealing with said members of society as a United States
Marine for 20 years starting in Vietnam. Mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
Best Regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 16:10
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!
I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny". Oppressed people who have
to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.
"We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much
less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the
Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't
belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate..."
Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......
_______________________________________________________________________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:
>
> This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?!
> According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in their
> Air Force. I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force Roundel. This
> just can't be real...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
Gotta start somewhere. Look at Wilbur and Orville.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!
This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?! According to
the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in their Air Force. I'm
attaching a graphic of their Air Force Roundel. This just can't be real...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Using hardpoints or guns as a determining factor, an SR-71 isn't a warbird
and a C-47 gunship is. Nor was an RF-8G Crusader or RA-5C Vigilante, but a
C-130 they can shove a MOAB out of the back would be. Now I'm really
confused! I'm going to have to take my YAK "poser" in for therapy before I
have 25w-60 tears all over the floor of my hangar.....
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Dennis
>
> You make good point. Also well taken too.
>
> I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs
> with its connection to the 3U.
>
> This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term ?oWar Bird?.
> Just splitting hairs.
>
> In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
>
> Neither one of my Yak 52?Ts had any provisions for armament and such. The
> 50 certainly doesn?Tt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it
> was actually used during war time too.
>
> If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will
> fly my Yaks.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Roger..Roger,
Thanks for the info. Looks like the venerable 52 has achieved true Warbird status.
Not just a military trainer anymore! An who says a silk purse can't come from
a sow's ear.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Hi Mark,
I'm sorry that I did not give you details of the Yak 52 with
the rocket pods when I sent you the picture. It's in the Russian Air
Force museum at Monino near Moscow.
Best regards,
Roger
Baker___________________________________________________________________
_______________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Mark Weidhaas wrote:
> <mark@alternativesolar.com>
>
> Hi Doc,
>
> This is the only picture of the deadly 52 that I could find in the
> Yak websites. She is appropriately numbered lucky number 07 on the
> cowl. The front tire is quite flat in the picture and the red
> jack under the left pod is another indication that she may not be
> so lucky. I wonder if the pods are aux. fuel tanks in disguise.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Well that ought to really slow that 52 down making it a really good
> target! Bet when he fires those 7.62's he's hanging on the stall
> warning horn or standing still from the recoil.
> Just when I was about to bring up the YAK 53 (?) that Kilo has been
> flying intermittently, along comes this with hard points and rocket
> launchers hanging under the wing.
> Mark, where is this quit deadly 52 flying out of? Got any more
> pictures of her?
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Weidhaas
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:37 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> The Yak 52 is a deadly War Bird. I would not want this guy on my
> six!!!! :-)
>
>
> Mark Weidhaas
> Yak 52 "36"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
> Dennis
>
> You make good point. Also well taken too.
>
> I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try
> splitting hairs with its connection to the 3U.
>
> This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term War
> Bird. Just splitting hairs.
>
> In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
>
> Neither one of my Yak 52s had any provisions for armament
> and such. The 50 certainly doesnt either. The t-6 across the
> way has them. Also it was actually used during war time too.
>
> If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then
> I will fly my Yaks.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
>
>
> 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
>
> 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
>
>
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Craig,
Throw my name in. I put my 18T spinner on the 52 and am thinking about on
for the 50.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Spinner Survey
Ever since I was a small boy, flying with my father in surplus warbirds, I
have had this thing about large, well formed propeller spinners. At this
stage in my life, I'm not worried about why this is so, nor am I seeking
cyber-therapy so spare me please. The Crowder I have on my CJ now receives
regular waxing and polishing - Hmmm. However my purpose here is to seek out
others with a similiar afflictation whom may be interested in obtaining a
competitively priced, metal spinner that I am designing.
Another affliction of mine is I can't stop making "stuff" for airplanes of
all sorts and I can't seem to leave well-enough alone; sigh.
My proposed spinner will be smaller than the 24" diameter Crowder but larger
than the 16-1/2" Yak-18T fiberglass spinner (I have both). If others were
interested, my development cost could be spread over a small batch run. I
have improved my Crowder somewhat but a re-design is what I'm really looking
at. Mounting plates would be available for the M-14P flange, Housai prop
hub, and eventually, the SAE flange used on MT props. Another possibility is
to use my tooling for a carbon-fiber shell over the metal mounting
structure.
Reply to my email for a show of interest. My time-line on this is a small
production run in 6 - 8 months, as some work will be sublet.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Shack!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: WARBIRDS?
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I bought my airplane to make me happy. It does that very well. Warbird or
"otherwise".
In this regard, my opinion is the only one that matters. Sorry.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
P.s. With due respect to Dennis's excellent posting of course.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
--> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The term "warbird" is a generic term which today is used to describe an
aircraft used by a military organizaton for military purposes including
flight training. One may not want to accept the fact that an L-Bird is
considered a "warbird". But it is, by the generic definition. Certainly
the trainers used by numerous country's military, including the US, were
never used in a "war" so to speak. Or in combat which of course defines the
aircraft you included in your list of "warbirds". But the trainers were/are
used by the military, including the US. People are most definitely entitled
to their own interpretation of the term "warbird". Only those who own the
"big iron" like the P51's, Spit's, Corsair's FW190's, Zero's, Bearcat's,
Hellcat's, Yak 3's, 9's, not the 11's, typically look down on us lowly
trainers as not being true "warbirds". The 11's never saw combat and were
a 2 seat modification/redesign of the Yak 3U into a Yak 11 advanced
trainer/liaison aircraft/utility transport. Thus the Yak 11 in the purest
sense of the word "warbird" is not a warbird either.
Today, our beloved CJ6's and Yak 52's are qualified as "warbirds" because
they were used by military organizations as trainers. And please don't say
the Yak 52's weren't, even outside of the Russian DOSAFF. In fact, several
former eastern block countries still have them in their air force and use
them as primary military trainers. We all know they are not, again in the
purest meaning of the word "warbird", a warbird. It's just a matter of your
personal viewpoint. If one accepts the EAA Warbirds of America definition,
I think you will find the above explanation follows for the most part, the
WOA definition.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Let?Ts define War Bird:
>
> Not a Yak 52, 50, 53, 54, 55. Even if you are wearing a flight suit and a
> jet pilot helmet. [Rolling Eyes]
>
> Not a Chang.
>
> These are pseudo war birds.
>
> Real War Bird:
>
> P51D, F4U, P38, Bearcat, Hellcat, Spit, yak3/9/11 and you get the idea.
>
> The thought that 52?Ts and CJ?Ts are war birds is amusing!
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117791#117791
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
Damnedddd...this thread is going unscorable at 6!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger, I do not believe you are anything but a nice guy. On the other
hand, I have no interest at all in reading about your political point of
view, foreign or domestic.
This list is a place to talk about airplanes, and not one designed to
exercise your rights to free speech. Saying this does indeed make me a
hypocrite, because I have been guilty of the same mistake you are making
in the past.
But as they say, what goes around, comes around... So now it is my turn.
If you really just HAVE to discuss "oppressed people" then please write
to me personally and I will be glad to tell you about my life's
experience dealing with said members of society as a United States
Marine for 20 years starting in Vietnam. Mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
Best Regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 16:10
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 - Warbird!
I'm not sure it's all that "damned funny". Oppressed people who have
to fight their own battles have to use the assets available to them.
"We Americans, who didn't even know that there was an Abkhazia, much
less where it is; or whom they consider to be their oppressors (the
Georgians...and no, that's not people from near Atlanta) shouldn't
belittle people whose situation, to them, is desperate..."
Nah, not really....there's nothing "damned funny" about it......
_______________________________________________________________________
On Jun 11, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Scooter wrote:
>
> This is too damned funny. Which one of you guys did this?!
> According to the article they currently only have one Yak-52 in their
> Air Force. I'm attaching a graphic of their Air Force Roundel. This
> just can't be real...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117854#117854
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/abkhazian_air_force_618.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Boy I'm with you, this is getting really confusing now. Lets see, the T-6 II
Texan would not be nor would the T-38 be one but the T-37 would as would the
0-2 be, but not the KC-135 nor the C-141 but the C-130 would be if the
definition stands clearly. This is truly confusing to me as best I can see.
I know how to solve this calamity...I don't know about all ye but I going to
fly my YAK in this Alabama heat and humidity. That should bring some clarity
to this issue even if it is just to me!
See ya on the airways!
Check 6,
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Using hardpoints or guns as a determining factor, an SR-71 isn't a warbird
and a C-47 gunship is. Nor was an RF-8G Crusader or RA-5C Vigilante, but a
C-130 they can shove a MOAB out of the back would be. Now I'm really
confused! I'm going to have to take my YAK "poser" in for therapy before I
have 25w-60 tears all over the floor of my hangar.....
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Dennis
>
> You make good point. Also well taken too.
>
> I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs
> with its connection to the 3U.
>
> This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term ?oWar Bird?.
> Just splitting hairs.
>
> In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
>
> Neither one of my Yak 52?Ts had any provisions for armament and such. The
> 50 certainly doesn?Tt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it
> was actually used during war time too.
>
> If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will
> fly my Yaks.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
Time to sit back and watch this unravel! Let me get my popcorn first.
Ok...
Carry on!
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
The Yak-52 is used by nations where you won't find too many Conde Nast tour groups.
Vietnam uses about 50 Yak-52's because the CJ is Chinese and shortly after
our exit from 'Nam, the Chinese got their butts kicked in border skirmishes
with Vietnam. Bad blood there. All of the Rambo films ran in China after that.
BTW, I admit to oppress'n some folks in my life and feel real good about it :>)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
MarkWDavis wrote:
> Using hardpoints or guns as a determining factor, an SR-71 isn't a warbird
> and a C-47 gunship is. Nor was an RF-8G Crusader or RA-5C Vigilante, but a
> C-130 they can shove a MOAB out of the back would be. Now I'm really
> confused! I'm going to have to take my YAK "poser" in for therapy before I
> have 25w-60 tears all over the floor of my hangar.....
>
> Mark Davis
>
> ---
None of these are primary trainers. Dressed up to look like a warbird.
You have a Yak then you already have oil on the floor in your hanger
What conflict was the 52 used in again????? Im a little hazy on that.
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 - Warbird! |
I know people who were in Sukhumi in 1992... It wasn't funny for them.
It's a real place.
My wife is from Sochi which is in Russia 20km from the Abkhazian border.
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Excuse me, but I have fired a M92F Berretta from the cockpit of my YAK-50. I have
also dropped really big M-160 firecrackers of my own design. A flare gun
has also been experimented with. Doing all of that certainly would make me one
crazy SOB but that is not the point. It clearly would make MY aircraft a warbird.
Right? Not your YAK-50 mind you, just mine.
Of course, I am only kidding, only a NUT would really do such things.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. Recipe: By weight: 70% Potassium Perchlorate, 15% ground aluminum flake
600 mesh, 15% ground Magnesium Flake 600 mesh. Place in suitable container,
add quality fuse. If Magnesium flake is too hard to find, use 30% Aluminum flake.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 17:39
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Boy I'm with you, this is getting really confusing now. Lets see, the T-6 II Texan
would not be nor would the T-38 be one but the T-37 would as would the
0-2 be, but not the KC-135 nor the C-141 but the C-130 would be if the definition
stands clearly. This is truly confusing to me as best I can see.
I know how to solve this calamity...I don't know about all ye but I going to fly
my YAK in this Alabama heat and humidity. That should bring some clarity to
this issue even if it is just to me!
See ya on the airways!
Check 6,
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Using hardpoints or guns as a determining factor, an SR-71 isn't a warbird and
a C-47 gunship is. Nor was an RF-8G Crusader or RA-5C Vigilante, but a C-130
they can shove a MOAB out of the back would be. Now I'm really
confused! I'm going to have to take my YAK "poser" in for therapy before I
have 25w-60 tears all over the floor of my hangar.....
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
> Dennis
>
> You make good point. Also well taken too.
>
> I tied the 11 to War Bird because I knew someone would try splitting hairs
> with its connection to the 3U.
>
> This is how I see the ties of the Yak/Chang, to the term ?oWar Bird?.
> Just splitting hairs.
>
> In my neck of the woods we call them posers.
>
> Neither one of my Yak 52?Ts had any provisions for armament and such. The
> 50 certainly doesn?Tt either. The t-6 across the way has them. Also it
> was actually used during war time too.
>
> If I want to be a War Bird pilot, I will buy a War Bird. Until then I will
> fly my Yaks.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117817#117817
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
viperdoc(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> Boy I'm with you, this is getting really confusing now. Lets see, the T-6 II
> Texan would not be nor would the T-38 be one but the T-37 would as would the
> 0-2 be, but not the KC-135 nor the C-141 but the C-130 would be if the
> definition stands clearly. This is truly confusing to me as best I can see.
> I know how to solve this calamity...I don't know about all ye but I going to
> fly my YAK in this Alabama heat and humidity. That should bring some clarity
> to this issue even if it is just to me!
> See ya on the airways!
> Check 6,
> Doc
>
> --
Doc go enjoy.just coz its not a warbrid doesnt mean it is not still fun
Don't forget the plastic jet fighter helmet too. [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Hey there is not an RV that can turn with me that is for sure! :>o)!
Hate to admit, I wimped out. The OAT was 101 deg F at 1730! I need to put a firewall
insulation pad over the oil cooler and install a fresh air vent hose for
the fuselage to tolerate this 101 stuff. Add 101 outside air to the 60-70 C air
coming off the cooler and it gets almost hot! I know...I know, you guys out
in AZ and Ca high desert fly in this all the time. But who out there has 70-90%
humidity to go with it.
We know they are not heavy iron warbirds, but everybody else does not know that!
Besides, they are just plain fun to fly and the rest is just rubbish!
After all, "its' not about the flight suit, the helmet, or the brief, its' about
the flying!"
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
viperdoc(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> Boy I'm with you, this is getting really confusing now. Lets see, the T-6 II
> Texan would not be nor would the T-38 be one but the T-37 would as would the
> 0-2 be, but not the KC-135 nor the C-141 but the C-130 would be if the
> definition stands clearly. This is truly confusing to me as best I can see.
> I know how to solve this calamity...I don't know about all ye but I going to
> fly my YAK in this Alabama heat and humidity. That should bring some clarity
> to this issue even if it is just to me!
> See ya on the airways!
> Check 6,
> Doc
>
> --
Doc go enjoy.just coz its not a warbrid doesnt mean it is not still fun
Don't forget the plastic jet fighter helmet too. [Wink]
--------
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For those of you that fly more than you type - Can you please let us know if
you are coming to OSH 07' - the link -
http://www.flyredstar.org/T_EventDetail.aspx?ID=51 Herb is doing a great
job getting ready for us, but we need to let him know how many to expect
this year.
This will help us plan the formations, have enough chairs, and beer etc..
The rest of you, well, keep typing..
Talon
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner Survey |
I'm interested. What would it do to speed and cooling? rb
Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: Ever since I was a small boy, flying
with my father in surplus warbirds, I have had this thing about large, well
formed propeller spinners. At this stage in my life, I'm not worried about
why this is so, nor am I seeking cyber-therapy so spare me please. The Crowder
I have on my CJ now receives regular waxing and polishing - Hmmm. However my
purpose here is to seek out others with a similiar afflictation whom may be
interested in obtaining a competitively priced, metal spinner that I am designing.
Another affliction of mine is I can't stop making "stuff" for airplanes of all
sorts and I can't seem to leave well-enough alone; sigh.
My proposed spinner will be smaller than the 24" diameter Crowder but larger
than the 16-1/2" Yak-18T fiberglass spinner (I have both). If others were interested,
my development cost could be spread over a small batch run. I have improved
my Crowder somewhat but a re-design is what I'm really looking at. Mounting
plates would be available for the M-14P flange, Housai prop hub, and eventually,
the SAE flange used on MT props. Another possibility is to use my tooling
for a carbon-fiber shell over the metal mounting structure.
Reply to my email for a show of interest. My time-line on this is a small production
run in 6 - 8 months, as some work will be sublet.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Doc,
When it gets that hot up here, I just wear a nomex thong and I am good...
oh yeah..and gloves too.
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Tim Gagnon wrote:
> Doc,
>
> When it gets that hot up here, I just wear a nomex thong and I am good...
>
> oh yeah..and gloves too.
Jeeeezuz Tim....yuck! I just puked in my mouth.... [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
You seem to add nothing to the content of the list so you are now on my
deleat list.
good by.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
> Tim Gagnon wrote:
>> Doc,
>>
>> When it gets that hot up here, I just wear a nomex thong and I am good...
>>
>> oh yeah..and gloves too.
>
>
> Jeeeezuz Tim....yuck! I just puked in my mouth.... [Shocked]
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117928#117928
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Contact info for Yak 52 annual in San Francisco Bay Area |
Blitz
I would use Kregg Victory at Reid Hillview Airport. He is a Yak 52 owner and
working on Frosty - SHREK and Hairballs Yak's right now. Good guy and very
affordable. (RHV airport identifier)
Worth a call and does the dynamic prop balancing also.
SHREK
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From: Thierry [mailto:thierry@locard.net]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Contact info for annual
Byron,
I am not aware of a 'John' near Santa Barbara?
The South County FBO was acquired by Magnum Aviation and my understanding is
that they do not deal with Yaks
I use Vladimir Yastremski:
Cell: 619.379.1860
email: yastremski@sbcglobal.net
Mark,
Any one else?
Thierry
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From: ByronMFox@aol.com [mailto:ByronMFox@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:32 PM
Cc: thierry@locard.net; schrick@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Contact info for annual
In a message dated 6/11/07 9:53:27 AM, robb@comnets.us writes:
Hi Blitz,
Can you send me the contact info for the Yak 52 mechanic near Santa
Barbara who does the annuals? John something?
Thanks
Robb
Theirry & Mark,
Robb Protheroe is a relatively new Yak 52 owner based at Petaluma. Do you
know the John to whom he's referring? Also, is the shop at South County
still doing Yak 52 work, and is Vladimir Yastremski still traveling north to
handle Norcal clients? Thanks, Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
I guess "warbird" just always meant military aircraft to me (and possibly
some others as well). What conflict was a -52 in? Easy answer. Mine and
two others were engaged over Bull Shoals Reservoir last weekend at Gaston's
Great Weekend Getaway in a little 1v1 and a nice 2v1 furball. Probably
sounded like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot to boaters below. No shots
fired, but a few pipper burns requiring chilled liquid medication afterward
for all.
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
>
>
> MarkWDavis wrote:
>> Using hardpoints or guns as a determining factor, an SR-71 isn't a
>> warbird
>> and a C-47 gunship is. Nor was an RF-8G Crusader or RA-5C Vigilante, but
>> a
>> C-130 they can shove a MOAB out of the back would be. Now I'm really
>> confused! I'm going to have to take my YAK "poser" in for therapy
>> before I
>> have 25w-60 tears all over the floor of my hangar.....
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> ---
>
>
> None of these are primary trainers??. Dressed up to look like a
> warbird.
>
> You have a Yak? then you already have oil on the floor in your hanger
>
> What conflict was the 52 used in again????? I?Tm a little hazy on
> that?.
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117904#117904
>
>
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