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1. 06:42 AM - Warbird/Military (Richard Goode)
2. 11:21 AM - generator base plate for hoist (Jon Boede)
3. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Jim Griffin)
4. 12:48 PM - Re: generator base plate for hoist (Dave Laird)
5. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
6. 03:01 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (flir47)
7. 06:36 PM - Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Tim Gagnon)
8. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (Roger Kemp)
9. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Warbird/Military |
In the UK, and some other European countries, this issue is not an
academic
one!
We have no 'Experimental' Category in the UK and can only fly Type
Certificated aircraft, UNLESS they fall into certain categories, such as
Home-builds of certain approved sorts; certain 'Classic' aircraft etc.
One category is 'Ex-military' and our CAA is obliged to give us a Permit
to
Fly, for aircraft that are 'Ex-military'. Usually they will do this and
are
normally fairly flexible about their definition. Having said that, they
need to have it proven that the actual aeroplane in question served with
a
military arm somewhere in the world. The position with Yaks has been
that
Yak-50/52/55 all served with DOSAAF. Whatever might have been written
about
this DOSAAF categorically was military in every way, except that the
members
of DOSAFF usually had other civilian jobs.
However, it has led to absurdities, such as the one whereby we can fly
Yak-52 manufactured until the end of 1992, while those after 1st January
1993 are considered to be 'Civilian' aircraft, and while otherwise
identical, not deemed to be 'Ex-military'.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
Skype: Richard.Goode
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | generator base plate for hoist |
I changed out my engine mounts last night.
Doug suggested that I make a plate to lift the engine by the generator
mount, which worked really well. Our drill press in the shop uses a
numerical resolver, so it's easier to make a quick CAD drawing and work from
that.
I'm attaching that for anybody who wants to put it in their collection.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
They can, and have parked at OSH in the past in the Warbird section.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Does this mean that the Cessena 182 Mescalero can?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Griffin
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
The easiest definition of a warbird? Can you park in the warbird section at
OshKosh. A yak 52 with civilian paint scheme can. A Cessna 150 with military
paint cannot.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Just saw the following on a classifieds website: CESSNA 150J "WARBIRD" ?
$29,000 ? FOR SALE OR TRADE ? A Cessna 150 you can be proud of at any
fly-in. Excellent attention to detail. New paint, New interior. This
airplane gets attention on any ramp.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118155#118155
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| Subject: | Re: generator base plate for hoist |
wow. that is genius!!
way to go doug and jon!
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas (ADS)
On Jun 13, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
> I changed out my engine mounts last night.
>
> Doug suggested that I make a plate to lift the engine by the
> generator mount, which worked really well. Our drill press in the
> shop uses a numerical resolver, so it's easier to make a quick CAD
> drawing and work from that.
>
> I'm attaching that for anybody who wants to put it in their
> collection.
>
> Jon
>
> <Generator Base Plate.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Jim,
Thanks.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Griffin
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
They can, and have parked at OSH in the past in the Warbird section.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Does this mean that the Cessena 182 Mescalero can?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Griffin
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
The easiest definition of a warbird? Can you park in the warbird section at
OshKosh. A yak 52 with civilian paint scheme can. A Cessna 150 with military
paint cannot.
Jim Griffin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Just saw the following on a classifieds website: CESSNA 150J "WARBIRD" ?
$29,000 ? FOR SALE OR TRADE ? A Cessna 150 you can be proud of at any
fly-in. Excellent attention to detail. New paint, New interior. This
airplane gets attention on any ramp.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118155#118155
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Ok.... I guess I will use the fact the Lithuanias military uses the 52 for training
to fight off the real warbird owners when they try to cave my head in for
flying a Yak.... and calling it a warbird. Then... I will try to fight off the
acro pilots that think the 50 should just be a acro plane not a warbird.
One thing for sure! They all were on me like stink on poop! I need some hard real
facts ...that I wasn't finding on the net.
All I really wanted was a $100 hamburger....instead I got flogged for flying a
Yak 50.
If I was flying a Yak9... I would have told them to shut their cake traps!
The flight home in the 50 was still fun though :D
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
While I may not consider my little -50 a warbird, I will put its flying qualities
up against any of the big iron. I would also wager that flying the -50 is a
lot more FUN. I have flown the P-51 and while it was hyper cool to fly, it was
not as much fun. In those types of airplanes, it is more about looks and being
cool then just pure fun. Most warbird owners would never consider doing in
thier airplanes what we do in ours.
I would be hard pressed to find a replacement for the -50 without spending serious
money. If money were no object, I would have some other birds in the hangar
but I still think my daily flyer would be the -50.
If most "warbird" owners would pull the stick out of their ass, they would accept
these airplanes for what they are...cheap, reliable, strong, and tons of fun.
That is enough for me.
(Having said all that, I would give my left nut to fly a P-47 and both nuts to
fly a Spit....any Mark but a MK. XIV would be the shit)
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
Screw them. The 50 and the 52 are technically warbirds. Both flown by Russia (USSR).
Contra to popular believe civilian aviation did not exist behind the iron
curtain. The DOSAFF trained future aviators for the state! There were not privately
owned aircraft flown by private pilots during the heyday of these aircraft.
Why do you think these instrumentation in these aircraft were set up like
they were? Why did they set the low speed jet up to load up the engine on final
when you get behind the power curve?
What civilian aircraft has the instrumentation in it that is set up the same as
the follow on jet trainer or the MiG or Sukio fighter. I dare say you are not
going to find percent RPM in a single civilian primary trainer on any continent.
Nor are you going to find a pressure carburetor setup to load up on base final
turn if you get behind the power curve with a sink rate on final. It was
so the fleagle would be prepared for that spool up lag time required by that turbofan
in the L-29, L-39, MIG 15, MIG 21, MIG 23 or MIG 25 to keep them from
bending one of the State's assets. Look at that brake handle you grab every time
you get ready to taxi then go look in the MIG 15 through MIG 29 pits (I have
not had the opportunity to look at the pit of any of the other newer aircraft
in their inventory). What do you see hanging on the side of that stick?
These aircraft were/are military trainers. The 50 and 52 were flown for the glory
of the State not the pleasure of the individual! The pleasure of the individual
happened only because that aviator was good enough to make the grade and
was allowed to compete for the State or fly in defense/offense of it. Even Aeroflot
was a branch of the military/KGB. I repeat, the USSR did not have a civilian
general aviation fleet. Not the fleet as we in the western world know it
to be. You got to fly an airplane because you served a purpose in the glorification
of the State.
These aircraft have every right to be in the warbird category as does any of the
French, German, Polish, English, Australian, US, Japanese, or whatever other
military trainer does.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod
Ok.... I guess I will use the fact the Lithuanias military uses the 52 for training
to fight off the real warbird owners when they try to cave my head in for
flying a Yak.... and calling it a warbird. Then... I will try to fight off the
acro pilots that think the 50 should just be a acro plane not a warbird.
One thing for sure! They all were on me like stink on poop! I need some hard real
facts ...that I wasn't finding on the net.
All I really wanted was a $100 hamburger....instead I got flogged for flying a
Yak 50.
If I was flying a Yak9... I would have told them to shut their cake traps!
The flight home in the 50 was still fun though :D
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=118300#118300
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| Subject: | Re: Bear 360 / Radial engine pod |
I'd like to point out the imbricates Aerocoupe was a military "warbird" in
WW2.
It was the first aircraft to ever use JETO.
In truth any aircraft can be used as a "military aircraft". It all depends
on need.
Just think how nasty a Aercoupe could be against a P-51 if it were loaded
with Sidewinders.
All it takes is intent.
Jim "Pappy' Goolsby
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