---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/15/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - Re: Beware (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 07:28 AM - Re: Beware (FamilyGage@aol.com) 3. 09:03 AM - Re: Beware (Stan French) 4. 09:54 AM - Re: Beware (forrest johnson) 5. 11:05 AM - OSH/MTW - Critical Info. (ByronMFox@aol.com) 6. 11:51 AM - Re: Beware (Roger Kemp) 7. 05:42 PM - Yak-55M Crash (ET) 8. 06:35 PM - (no subject) (FamilyGage@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:45 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware Ray, Sorry to hear of your problems with Gulf Coast Avionics. I am going to share your problem with a gentleman who is a FL attorney and fellow aviator who may be able to help. That being said, if you are willing to consider another avionics shop that does outstanding work and is located in Columbus, GA., Stark Avionics, (their hangar and shop alone are quite impressive), I would be happy to explain your problem to John Stark and see if he would be willing to work on your airplane. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: FamilyGage@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Beware Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information, parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject. Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was still not completed. When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar. On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative. I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in Lakeland. Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA insurance protection. All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics that actually work! My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same company. If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill. Ray Gage ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:34 AM PST US From: FamilyGage@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware Dennis: You are a good friend, and greatly appreciated! Columbus is a little too far for me to travel. There are several shops within our area that can does the work. I just think that they had my plane for months, I had made several trips to Lakeland; and that I was stupid enough and trusting enough to pay their fee in full before I had checked out their installation. And frankly I am pissed and want to demand that they fulfill their contractual agreement. Thank you again, and would be pleased for an attorney referral. Your friend, Ray ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:11 AM PST US From: "Stan French" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware It would seem to me that the culprit has some kind of a license issued by the FAA or whatever Licensing body handles avionic and radio installations in aircraft. I would go straight there and advise of the emergency you incurred in flight as a result of inoperative radios installed by the culprit...restitution may be only an agency away Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: FamilyGage@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware Dennis: You are a good friend, and greatly appreciated! Columbus is a little too far for me to travel. There are several shops within our area that can does the work. I just think that they had my plane for months, I had made several trips to Lakeland; and that I was stupid enough and trusting enough to pay their fee in full before I had checked out their installation. And frankly I am pissed and want to demand that they fulfill their contractual agreement. Thank you again, and would be pleased for an attorney referral. Your friend, Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:21 AM PST US From: "forrest johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware This is exactly why you don't pay the bill until every thing is completed. You should not have taken possestion until you were satisfied. Flying the air plane away from the field constitutes acceptance. I am not taking the shops side, this is advise to every body. This is true for all services rendered. ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware Ray, Sorry to hear of your problems with Gulf Coast Avionics. I am going to share your problem with a gentleman who is a FL attorney and fellow aviator who may be able to help. That being said, if you are willing to consider another avionics shop that does outstanding work and is located in Columbus, GA., Stark Avionics, (their hangar and shop alone are quite impressive), I would be happy to explain your problem to John Stark and see if he would be willing to work on your airplane. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: FamilyGage@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Beware Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information, parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject. Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was still not completed. When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar. On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative. I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in Lakeland. Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA insurance protection. All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics that actually work! My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same company. If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill. Ray Gage ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:21 AM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: OSH/MTW - Critical Info. Unless you're rich like my brother, POTUS, don't get caught without your RPA Challenge Coin at the bar during OSH. The drinks will be on you. Get one now. I'll also bring some with me. Check it out: http://www.flyredstar.com/StoreCSVS/default.aspx Thanks, Blitz Byron M. Fox Red Star Pilots Association Online Store 80 Milland Drive Mill Valley, CA 94941 Cell 415-307-2405 Home 415-380-0907 http://www.flyredstar.com/StoreCSVS/default.aspx ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:34 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Beware Ray, Talked with the JAG (also a district judge) at drill today about this. He does not know the limit for small claims in Fl. In Al it is $3000. So saying that, you need to figure up your loses/cost and take it to small claims court. He feels from just reading your email that would get a judgement against Gulf Coast. Now whether you collect on that after it awarded is another question. Otherwise, he guesses you could add the cost of your mental anguish and suffering from the inconvenience of not having your plane for 4 months along with the cost of repairing all this mess to determine the value of your lawsuit. After all, if a pair of pants are worth $54 million, surely you could get something for your trouble. Small claims is probably your answer. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware Ray, Sorry to hear of your problems with Gulf Coast Avionics. I am going to share your problem with a gentleman who is a FL attorney and fellow aviator who may be able to help. That being said, if you are willing to consider another avionics shop that does outstanding work and is located in Columbus, GA., Stark Avionics, (their hangar and shop alone are quite impressive), I would be happy to explain your problem to John Stark and see if he would be willing to work on your airplane. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: FamilyGage@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Beware Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information, parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject. Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was still not completed. When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar. On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative. I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in Lakeland. Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA insurance protection. All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics that actually work! My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same company. If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill. Ray Gage _____ Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:44 PM PST US From: ET Subject: Yak-List: Yak-55M Crash Looks like a -55M went down today outside of Paine Field, Everett WA. The plane was registered to an Ernest N. Hernandez. I hope the best for his family. I hate to hear of another 55 driver with problems. Regards ET Story here: http://www.komotv.com/news/8509762.html --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:30 PM PST US From: FamilyGage@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: (no subject) Gentlemen: Thank you all for your productive comments. Gulf Coast Avionics had my plane blocked in the rear of their hangar and would not move the other planes until I paid their statement in full. Small Claims court would require me to make several trips to Lakeland (100 miles) and be there when the case was heard. Having been in practice for 32 years I had a drawer full of un collectable claims when I retired. The FAA suggestion is one that I shall follow up immediately. Frankly, I simply was too stupid not to trust a company that had full page ads in TAP. It is my desire that no other RPA members be taken by this firm. My hand held transceiver has kept me flying. Thanks again for everyone's assistance. 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