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1. 06:13 AM - FW: YAK 52 - flexible pipes (aerostar)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Beware (Cliff Coy)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: Beware (netmaster15@juno.com)
4. 08:26 AM - Re: NEED BAKLIN 5 Radio help (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Beware (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 09:56 AM - OSH XCTY Comm (Terry Calloway)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: OSH XCTY Comm (Roger Kemp)
8. 08:17 PM - OSH room? (Barry Hancock)
9. 08:22 PM - Re: Beware (Tim Gagnon)
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| Subject: | FW: YAK 52 - flexible pipes |
To YAK 52 community :
Dear Friends ,
Wee send enclosed the price quotations we propose for the flexible pipes
for YAK 52 aircraft ( for the entire aircraft systems ) , from new
production .
The quotations are not including the shipment cost .
The payment is full before delivery .
For what we don't have in inventory , the delivery time is within 30 -
45 days after order & payment .
If you see them interesting , you can contact us direct (
Cristian.dragoi@aerostar.ro ) or by fax ( + 40 234 572 445 ) .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
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I have to admit....this is one of times when I'm probably better off
keeping my big yap shut....*However*, this is a classic example of how
one person's bad experience can lead to real lost revenues for a business.
I don't deal with Gulf Coast Avionics other than purchasing a radio from
them every now and then and have no experience with the competence of
their work but there is always two sides of the story.
Shop managers don't go through the effort blocking in aircraft without a
reasonable cause.
I contacted Brad at Gulf Coast to give him the opportunity to provide a
different angle.
These types of posts are always discouraging because in the end no one
other than Ray & Brad truly knows the real story.
A lot of good hearted people will put effort into a fight where neither
will come out as the better person.
As many of you have experienced, my shop is not the timeliest and we
certainly don't get all of the bugs wiped off the wings, but we do right
by our customers to the best of our ability.
I guess I'm fortunate not to have customers publicly bad mouthing us.
I certainly don't publicly bad mouth the people who've done us wrong.
Best regards,
Cliff
FamilyGage@aol.com wrote:
> Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information,
> parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject.
> Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a
> complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or
> three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was
> still not completed.
> When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line
> from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would
> not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an
> A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar.
> On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the
> new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative.
> I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf
> Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in
> Lakeland.
> Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call
> "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the
> Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem
> since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA
> insurance protection.
> All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics
> that actually work!
> My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same
> company.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a
> signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill.
>
> Ray Gage
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CLIFF, You have done us all a favor by contacting Brad at Gulf Coast a
nd by reminding us that there are two sides to every story. Good job! N
ow, please finish the job and inform us as to Gulf Coast's side of the
story; inquiring minds want to know "THE REST OF THE STORY" so that we m
ight be guided in our future purchases and plans.
Thanks for your effort; Best Regards.
Cliff Umscheid, YAK 50
-- Cliff Coy <cliff@gesoco.com> wrote:
I have to admit....this is one of times when I'm probably better off ;Be
st Regards
keeping my big yap shut....*However*, this is a classic example of how
one person's bad experience can lead to real lost revenues for a busines
s.
I don't deal with Gulf Coast Avionics other than purchasing a radio from
them every now and then and have no experience with the competence of
their work but there is always two sides of the story.
Shop managers don't go through the effort blocking in aircraft without a
reasonable cause.
I contacted Brad at Gulf Coast to give him the opportunity to provide a
different angle.
These types of posts are always discouraging because in the end no one
other than Ray & Brad truly knows the real story.
A lot of good hearted people will put effort into a fight where neither
will come out as the better person.
As many of you have experienced, my shop is not the timeliest and we
certainly don't get all of the bugs wiped off the wings, but we do right
by our customers to the best of our ability.
I guess I'm fortunate not to have customers publicly bad mouthing us.
I certainly don't publicly bad mouth the people who've done us wrong.
Best regards,
Cliff
FamilyGage@aol.com wrote:
> Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information,
> parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject.
> Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a
> complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or
> three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was
> still not completed.
> When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line
> from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would
> not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an
> A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar.
> On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the
> new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative.
> I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf
> Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in
> Lakeland.
> Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call
> "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the
> Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem
> since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA
> insurance protection.
> All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics
> that actually work!
> My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same
> company.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a
> signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill.
>
> Ray Gage
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED BAKLIN 5 Radio help |
Gentlemen:
I've got a problem and need some assistance or advice.
I sent the freq tuner, amplifier and the tranceiver box to eastern
europe for repair and apparantly they became lost. I want to leave my
Yak 52 original and need this 3 componants or any of them individualy.
Must be in new or good working order as I am planning to use the Baklin
5 as my only radio. Im looking for any good help thanks
bob
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Always being one to jump right into the middle of a good
argument/debate/discussion, I have my own 2 cents to add, and that is
about EXACTLY how much my opinion is worth, but I am going to state it
anyway. Flames welcomed. Feel free.
1. There is most likely some credibility to the post made by Ray Gage.
I am absolutely CERTAIN that he feels that he was taken advantage of and
was a victim. Oftentimes when a person feels "taken" by some firm or
organization, the Internet becomes his or her only forum for outlet or a
place to cry for justice.
2. Of course, there are always two sides to any story.
3. Anyone wanting to hear the other side of the story has the ability
to contact Gulf Coast personally, make them aware of Ray's posting and
accusations, and ask for an explanation. If Gulf Coast does provide an
explanation, then each person can draw their own conclusion based on
their own method of judgment. If Gulf Coast refuses to discuss or
explain what happened, then they must be willing to accept
responsibility for any outcome that results from that refusal.
4. Gulf Coast itself has the right to reply to Ray's posting on this
forum if they so choose. If they choose not to defend themselves in
public, there is no requirement for anyone else to do so for them.
5. I have dealt with Cliff Coy on a number of occasions and can
personally testify that he has always been an honest, pleasant person to
work with, and has met every promise he has ever made to me in a timely
and businesslike manner. I would not hesitate to recommend Cliff or his
Dad to any reader on this list, and those of you that know me will agree
that I don't give such recommendations lightly. Gesoco is a reputable
firm and should be proud of the reputation they have earned.
That said: Cliff.... With respect, let me say that if you are going to
make any comments at all on this issue, then you must realize that even
if you do not mean to, your reputation lends weight to anything you say.
In truth, you did not really SAY ANYTHING. However, there was no doubt
of the innuendo implied. You contacted Gulf Coast, and then you wrote
your posting. The only reasonable conclusion is that whatever they did,
whatever really happened, they felt that what they did was fair and just
and you identified with their position. However, we really do not know
what led you to this conclusion, and we are not able to apply our own
judgment with the facts that you were presented with.
6. Which leads me to this next point: Cliff Coy contacted Gulf Coast
and was convinced by Brad that there is another side to this story that
should at least be kept in mind. Cliff then posted this account
basically because he identified with another person who runs a small
business like his own.
7. There is no requirement for Cliff to post anything further, nor
should anyone ask him to. To do so would put him in the position of
making a judgment call, and then putting that judgment call on line for
a firm he is not associated with, and even if he did, it would still be
hear-say.
8. So that leaves this bottom line. Ray Gage feels he was ripped off.
He is warning others to beware the firm that he says ripped him off. If
I have any chance of dealing with Gulf Coast in the future, I will
demand an explanation of what happened to Ray before I do any business
with them, and I will draw my own conclusions, and that is the advice I
am offering to everyone else. If enough of us contact Gulf Coast, I
believe they will either make amends with Ray, or come on line with
their own version of the story. First Hand.
To Ray, I offer this advice:
A. You need to (as soon as possible) take your aircraft to the most
reputable Avionics Repair Facility that you can locate. The sooner the
better. Do not pass go, no excuses, do not collect $200, do it NOW.
B. You need to have them examine the work done by Gulf Coast and have
them document any work or repair that is Not In Accordance With FAA and
FCC established standards. You need to document, or have an official
estimate made on what it will take to correct these deficiencies. You
need to provide them with a copy of the contract which you agreed upon
with Gulf Coast, and have them officially document where THEY felt that
this contractual agreement was violated. The longer you wait to do
this, the less impact it will have on a person who will eventually judge
the case.
C. If the amount is LESS than what you can legally claim in Small
Claims Court, then I submit that you should pursue this avenue
regardless of the 100 mile drive each way. You still have an
airplane... Right? 100 miles is not all that far in a YAK-52W. Why?
Because if you take this matter to ANY court.. Be it small claims or
even a Civil Case, you will not only receive your money back if you can
provide reasonable proof, but you can then bring that judgment to every
single list-server and email reader that you can, and seriously impact
the future revenue of Gulf Coast. If you FAIL to do any of the above,
then please do not take this as a personal insult, but it impacts your
credibility with any and all readers.
Respectfully,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:50
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Beware
CLIFF, You have done us all a favor by contacting Brad at Gulf Coast
and by reminding us that there are two sides to every story. Good job!
Now, please finish the job and inform us as to Gulf Coast's side of the
story; inquiring minds want to know "THE REST OF THE STORY" so that we
might be guided in our future purchases and plans.
Thanks for your effort; Best Regards.
Cliff Umscheid, YAK 50
-- Cliff Coy <cliff@gesoco.com> wrote:
I have to admit....this is one of times when I'm probably better off
;Best Regards keeping my big yap shut....*However*, this is a classic
example of how one person's bad experience can lead to real lost
revenues for a business.
I don't deal with Gulf Coast Avionics other than purchasing a radio from
them every now and then and have no experience with the competence of
their work but there is always two sides of the story.
Shop managers don't go through the effort blocking in aircraft without a
reasonable cause.
I contacted Brad at Gulf Coast to give him the opportunity to provide a
different angle.
These types of posts are always discouraging because in the end no one
other than Ray & Brad truly knows the real story.
A lot of good hearted people will put effort into a fight where neither
will come out as the better person.
As many of you have experienced, my shop is not the timeliest and we
certainly don't get all of the bugs wiped off the wings, but we do right
by our customers to the best of our ability.
I guess I'm fortunate not to have customers publicly bad mouthing us.
I certainly don't publicly bad mouth the people who've done us wrong.
Best regards,
Cliff
FamilyGage@aol.com wrote:
> Knowing that our Yak site is designed to share technical information,
> parts, events, etc.; I have hesitated to poach this subject.
> Almost a year ago I contracted with Gulf Coast Avionics to do a
> complete avionics upgrade on my Yak-52W. The job was to take two or
> three weeks to complete. Over four months later the conversion was
> still not completed.
> When I did pick her up, oops, no brakes. The main hydrolytic line
> from the reservoir was torn off of the front rudder pedal. They would
> not repair the line, and if it were not for Craig Payne who found an
> A/P, the plane would still be in the back of their hangar.
> On the trip home neither of the new com's would work. As well as the
> new audio panel, VOR-ILS were also inoperative.
> I have written letters, made telephone calls for many months, and Gulf
> Coast will not respond. Craig does not know any aviation attorneys in
> Lakeland.
> Being an AOPA member since 1962, and paying extra for their so call
> "Legal Insurance", I contacted them. They gave me three names in the
> Daytona Beach area. None of the three had ANY interest in my problem
> since it was not a multimillion dollar case. Well, so much for AOPA
> insurance protection.
> All that I have ever asked of Gulf Coast Avionics is to have avionics
> that actually work!
> My understanding is that Pacific Coast Avionics is a part of this same
> company.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. Just beware, because a
> signed contract means nothing once you have paid their bill.
>
> Ray Gage
>
>
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Hi gang,
I propose for those of you heading out for Oshkosh we Redstar Pilots
listen up on 122.72 for other Redstars on discrete. Most of us have our
preferred discrete frequencies but a number of them conflict with other
folks. I recommend this frequency as we have experienced less talk in
the past on this number.
If you hear me talking speak up, I'd like to hear you out there.
Safe flying,
tc
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Why not ask ATC for a discrete for RedStars. That is the latest
recommendation from our local friendly FSDO. That could be coordinated prior
to arrival.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Yak-List: OSH XCTY Comm
Hi gang,
I propose for those of you heading out for Oshkosh we Redstar Pilots listen
up on 122.72 for other Redstars on discrete. Most of us have our preferred
discrete frequencies but a number of them conflict with other folks. I
recommend this frequency as we have experienced less talk in the past on
this number.
If you hear me talking speak up, I'd like to hear you out there.
Safe flying,
tc
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Gang,
Anyone know of an open bed (besides the dorms) at OSH? I'll be
spending Fri-Sun. at MTW, but then was thinking to come over to OSH
for Mon-Wed. night. Also, I have a flight out of Milwuakee first
thing Friday morning...if any one is planning to head that way on
Thursday and has a seat, I'll be happy to pay the fuel to get me
there. Please contact me off-list at bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com
- thanks!
Hope to see you there!
Cheers,
Barry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Aviation can be a small world when it comes to dealings with others. There are
way too many less than honest people out there..and sometimes they are within
a very small group such as ours. When you tighten the group even further by limiting
the scope to type of airplane, then it is nearly impossible to hide your
actions. I have had more than a few folks ask me about these airplanes and I
have been honest about from who to buy from or seek advice. I have also mentioned
those who I would not deal with. There is a small group of folks that I trust
without question....two of them post here fairly often and are staunch supporters
of this small group of owner/operators.
If a person or organization thinks they will get away with something and someone
will not pass along their experience, they are blind and foolish. (and I am
not saying Gulf Coast did..just general statement)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124253#124253
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