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1. 05:59 AM - Re: Experience with Pride Aircraft....L-39 (DaBear)
2. 06:00 AM - OSH P51 crash. (fougapilot)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: OSH P51 crash. (Genzlinger, Reade)
4. 07:40 AM - Re: aux tanks (Barry Hancock)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: Yak-52 wingtips (Mark Schrick)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/21/07 (V. Walker)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/21/07 (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: OSH P51 crash. (Brian Lloyd)
9. 06:16 PM - 5th Annual Waycross, GA RPA Fly-In (Red Star Pilots Associaton)
10. 08:49 PM - Red Stars in the news (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | Re: Experience with Pride Aircraft....L-39 |
I purchased my Yak-52 from Pride. No, they don't normally sell them,
but the lead mechanic purchased one in eastern Europe for himself and it
was a buy one get one free deal. :-) While getting 10 hours of
check-out in the Yak and having some things added to it like lights,
transponder, etc., I watched them work on the L39s. It looked like to
me, they were doing great work and I never had any problems with the
work they did on my Yak. I'd recommend Pride aircraft.
DaBear
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> I recently had someone ask about an L-39. He is a previous jet owner and wants
to get back into it. He has a thing for the L-39 (and the F-86 but the lack
of a second seat keeps him away...I wish he would reconsider. He may let me in
on the deal!)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126288#126288
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For all of us who were in OSH, this was a tragic event.
Here is a good look at what happened.
http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f149c4d
D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126309#126309
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Thanks, Dan. Two of the guys here at Alpine Airport (Wyoming) are
personal friends with the Beck Family Gerry Beck was the pilot in #2.
It has put a damper on things here and may affect our air show scheduled
for Aug 25,26 - the fellow that walked away is supposed to bring his
Corsair - we'll see.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com
215.914.0370
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fougapilot
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Yak-List: OSH P51 crash.
For all of us who were in OSH, this was a tragic event.
Here is a good look at what happened.
http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f1
49c4d
D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126309#126309
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On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I do believe that you could two aux size tanks in through the access
> door though.
That is correct...that's the maximum....and still leaves a ton of
empty space. You have to be a contortionist to get two aux sized
tanks in there, but it can be done with finesse and patience.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (714) 730-3958
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.cj6.com
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They were made for ALL Yak 50/52 wings. We have the molds for short wing
tips and larger wing tips from Aerostar.
If you want pictures or wish to purchase, they are $500 per pair. Spots for
wing tip strobes also.
They just round out or make the plane look better in many options.
Hope this helps.
SHREK
408-323-5150
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 wingtips
Not exactly aftermarket - they were added on the W and TW by Aerostar.
On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
They are after-market add ons. The factory original pre peristroka
(sp) YAK does not have wingtips. They are on the 52W's.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf OfCraig Payne
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:23 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 wingtips
Whilst adapting my gust lock design for the Yak, I have noticed that
some -52's have wingtips while others don't seem to need "no stinking
wingtips". Is there any rhyme or reason or was it left to the whims of the
Comrade-In-Charge that built these Beasts?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/21/07 |
Hi there,
Please send my Yak List email to Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com I've had to
change my IP server and won't get them on Valkyre1@comcast.net any more.
Thanks much,
- Val
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> 1. 12:03 PM - gill louver and oil cooler outlet shutter on CJ6A
> (Brian Lloyd)
> 2. 12:07 PM - Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Sarah Tobin)
> 3. 01:09 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Tim Gagnon)
> 4. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (A. Dennis
> Savarese)
> 5. 01:55 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Tim Gagnon)
> 6. 03:47 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Yak Pilot)
> 7. 04:47 PM - Re: OSH arrivals (Barry Hancock)
> 8. 05:18 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Scott
> Poehlmann)
> 9. 05:39 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Sarah Tobin)
> 10. 08:35 PM - Air system problem.... (Tim Gagnon)
> 11. 08:42 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Roger Kemp)
> 12. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrivals (Roger Kemp)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:03:48 PM PST US
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: gill louver and oil cooler outlet shutter on CJ6A
>
>
> Well I didn't quite make it to OSH in Pappy's back seat. It just
> didn't work out. Next year.
>
> Now for a real question. Does anyone know both the throw and the
> force exerted by the actuators for the gill louvers and the oil
> cooler door for the CJ6A?
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 12:07:16 PM PST US
> From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
> provide it.
>
> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now leaks
> fuel
> whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>
> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I fly.
> It is
> holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but doesn't refill at
> all
> while running. Snot valve is clear and no obvious problems on the lines
> external
> to compressor. I believe the problem to be in the compressor itself. I
> have heard that you have to fashion a special tool to get in there. Is
> this
> true, if so advice please.
>
> Smash
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
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> ________________________________ Message 3
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> Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>
>
> On the compressor issue, I had the same problems and mine turned out to be
> a the
> shear coupling. Dennis mentioned to check the check valve coming out of
> the
> compressor. Mine was pretty dirty and was very difficult to move.
>
> One way to check the compressor is to put a surgical glove over the inlet
> on the
> top and turn to the prop. If it sucks it in, then more than likely the
> compressor
> is ok. If not, then your problem is a bad compressor.
>
> The gaskets can be had from Jill or Doug may even have them. While your at
> it,
> get a couple extra and also make sure the one on the oil cap is ok.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125107#125107
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:18:36 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
>
> Don't necessarily assume the compressor is bad if the glove does not get
> sucked in. It could very well be the shear coupling. Unfortunately the
> only way to find out if it is the shear coupling or compressor is to pull
> the compressor from the engine. Be sure to clean the output check valve
> on
> the compressor. A blocked check valve can cause enough back pressure to
> cause the shear coupling to shear.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:08 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
>
>>
>> On the compressor issue, I had the same problems and mine turned out to
>> be
>> a the shear coupling. Dennis mentioned to check the check valve coming
>> out
>> of the compressor. Mine was pretty dirty and was very difficult to move.
>>
>> One way to check the compressor is to put a surgical glove over the inlet
>> on the top and turn to the prop. If it sucks it in, then more than likely
>> the compressor is ok. If not, then your problem is a bad compressor.
>>
>> The gaskets can be had from Jill or Doug may even have them. While your
>> at
>> it, get a couple extra and also make sure the one on the oil cap is ok.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125107#125107
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:55:20 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>
>
> D,
>
> I failed to mention that here but mentioned it in a email to Smash. You
> are exactly
> right and that was exactly the problem with mine. I bought a compressor as
> a back and now have two just in case the prices keep going up! I also
> bought
> a spare coupling.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125109#125109
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:47:08 PM PST US
> From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
> Smash, more times than not, failure to get compressed air is not a
> compressor problem.
> Of course it is the natural thing to jump on but be careful. You might
> go through a lot of hard work and money if you just leap on the compressor
> without running other tests first. You said: "My compressor has an auto
> shut
> off" and is not refilling when I fly". Ok,. what do you mean EXACTLY by
> an "auto
> shut off" ??? What you probably mean is that you have some type of
> reliever
> valve. This can be something so simple as a remote method to open your
> snnot
> valve, to more elaborate electrical valves that basically vent the
> compressor
> output to free, or outside air. In other words, they do not compress
> anything
> anymore. So can you describe this device please?
>
> In many case, if you have a hard line leading from the compressor banjo
> fitting
> to the snot valve, this can crack and your compressed air will just leak
> out
> the crack.
>
> You can also have a bad, or leaky banjo fitting on the bottom of the
> compressor
> itself. This is VERY common. It is hard to troubleshoot this stuff
> without
> some hand made tools and fittings, but here is a hint. Try to find some
> fittings
> so that you can take the air line that runs over to the snot valve off...
> at the snot valve. Now connect (anyway you can) a source of air to the
> line
> you just took off. Blow air BACKWARDS through this line towards the
> compressor.
> Listen for leaks. When you find them, there is your problem.
>
> Be VERY suspicious of the banjo fitting on the bottom of the compressor.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
> Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
> provide
> it.
>
> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now leaks
> fuel
> whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>
> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I fly.
> It is
> holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but doesn't refill at
> all
> while running. Snot valve is clear and no obvious problems on the lines
> external
> to compressor. I believe the problem to be in the compressor itself. I
> have heard that you have to fashion a special tool to get in there. Is
> this
> true, if so advice please.
>
> Smash
>
> ---------------------------------
> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:47:11 PM PST US
> From: Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>
> Hal....thanks for the update. I'm delayed due to getting planes
> delivered back to customers before I leave. Just completed the last
> FCF....now just have to put the drop tanks on the -50 and head out.
> Planning St. George, UT tonight....then MTW tomorrow afternoon. See
> you there!
>
> B
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Hal Morley wrote:
>
>> Saturday afternoon at Manitowoc.
>>
>> Troops,
>>
>> There are three of us here- John Finley in his IAR, myself and JOhn
>> Cox my GIB.- Wonder where everyone else is?
>>
>> Pappy, would appreciate a call if you change plans.- Would also like
>
>> to know what the plan is for the arrival on Sunday.
>>
>> There are a bunch of Cherokees here now,more due tomorrow.- They all
>
>> leave tomorrow and not returning.
>>
>> We have a van and a car here.- Let me know if you need a ride.-
>> Plaanning dinner about 8.
>>
>> Hal Morley- 503-704-6559.
>>
>>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com, darrell@garyhouse.net, david@mcgirt.net,
>
>>> RLang27641@aol.com, bwalker11@charter.net, lacloudchaser@yahoo.com,
>
>>> cpayne@joimail.com, fougapilot@gmail.com, yakjock@msn.com,
>>> TCalloway@hangar-d.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com,
>>> cpayne1@joimail.com, DaBear@devere.us,
>>> bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Duncan1574@ExecPc.com,
>>> robwork@robinhill.com, cpayne@mc.net, johnwcox@pacificnw.com,
>>> rob@robinhill.com, michaelclove@tds.net, rlanger2@comcast.net
>>> Subject: OSH arrivals
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:02:53 EDT
>>>
>>>
>>> Troops,
>>> -
>>> Got a message from EAA WB pres Rick.
>>> -
>>> RPA can arrive on Sunday, in mass, at 1230.- That time is set for
>
>>> us.- There will be some T-6/SNJ arriving with us.
>>> -
>>> Just how this will be done and how many NATA will also show up will
>
>>> not be known until the night before.
>>> -
>>> One plan was for us to meet them at Dodge County, Hartford and sortie
>
>>> together.- The other idea is do an phone brief with leads and do an
>
>>> airborne roundup and proceed in together.
>>> -
>>> Any group larger than 5 aircraft will require special-clearance and
>
>>> set times.- Smaller groups will do the WB arrival.
>>> -
>>> The rest of the NATA + T-28 group will show up on Monday for the WB
>
>>> arrival-during the show.- RPA can do the same or those-who are
>
>>> already there can get airborne out of OSH and join the arrival corp.
>>> -
>>> My personal plan is to arrive at MTW on Saturday the 20th.- Sortie
> on
>>> Sunday to OSH in mass.
>>> -
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>> -
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:18:34 PM PST US
> From: Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise prices...
>
> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>
> Scott
>
> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>> provide it.
>>
>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>
>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>> doesn't refill at all while running. Snot valve is clear and no
>> obvious problems on the lines external to compressor. I believe the
>> problem to be in the compressor itself. I have heard that you have to
>> fashion a special tool to get in there. Is this true, if so advice
>> please.
>>
>> Smash
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Pinpoint customers
>> are looking for what you sell.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:39:52 PM PST US
> From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
> Yeah, sorry, it dumps overboard. Seems as if the problem is one of three
> things
>
> 1. The dump valve is stuck open
> 2. There is a leak in the line between the pump and the check valve
> 3. Shear shaft is done busted
>
> Would you guys agree?
>
> Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise prices...
>
> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>
> Scott
>
> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>> provide it.
>>
>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>
>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>> doesn't refill at all while running. Snot valve is clear and no
>> obvious problems on the lines external to compressor. I believe the
>> problem to be in the compressor itself. I have heard that you have to
>> fashion a special tool to get in there. Is this true, if so advice
>> please.
>>
>> Smash
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Pinpoint customers
>> who
>> are looking for what you sell.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:35:42 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Air system problem....
> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>
>
> I will try to be as specific as I can about the issue....
>
> Yak-50....
>
> A bit of history is in order. The primary side bottle failed and needed to
> be replaced.
> No Yak-50 size bottle (6 liters) on the planet so I opted for a -52 bottle
> (11 liters). Got said bottle and knew it was NOT going where the smaller
> bottle came from. SO......built up some structure forward of the batteries
> and
> mounted the bottle there. (Moved the batt's up too and built a cargo box
> where
> the batts were)
>
> Anyway...We did a retraction test at annual and did not notice any leaks
> at the
> gear. No leaks elsewhere that we could find. So, a few weeks pass and the
> airplane
> develops an air problem. Here is what I am doing and what the airplane IS
> NOT doing.
>
> Normal ops.
>
> Prior to start:
> * 50 atms PRIOR to opening the valve.
>
> * Open the valve, the pressure drops about 30+ atms to around 20.
>
> * Starts...slower due to lower pressure...but starts.
>
> * Long Taxi.....pressure comes up slowly to about 30-35.
>
> * Take off...gear nearly kills my pressure coming up. Drops back to about
> 20. (Today,
> I had to put some negative on the gear to get it to lock up)
>
> *Fly around a bit and the thing makes air like its on crack. Great
> pressure and
> pop off valve works good.
>
> * Gear down...and there goes about 30+ atms! (I now put the gear down a
> little
> sooner to make sure there is plenty of press for brakes and in the event I
> need
> to bring gear up for GA.)
>
> Land.....Run the airplane up and let pressure build back up to about 50
> atms, shut
> off the main valve (which reveals a climb in guage pressure), and kill the
> engine. Chocks in...off to the house.
>
> A week or so later and I have about .5 less atms. Not a huge loss. But go
> to fly,
> and it is back to what I listed above.
>
> Here are a few observations:
>
> 1.) No leaking sound near the rams.
> 2.) No hissing from the gear handle. (A fine mist of tool oil comes out
> from servicing)
> 3.) Holds air well after a few days of sitting. Very little loss.
> 4.) Gear down..takes some time making air. (low RPM?)
> 5.) Gear up, makes silly amounts of air. (high RPM?)
>
> Now today, I had a slow left main. Positive and Negative g's were needed
> to get
> up/down lock. I am not sure if that is "lower" pressure issue OR a leak on
> that
> side.
>
> Is that very clear?
>
> Thanks in advance! I would get a simpler airplane but I am addicted to
> this problem
> child. I just cannot seem to kick the habit.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125145#125145
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:42:40 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
> Smash,
>
> Don't forgot the check valve along with the pump itself as you are
> evaluating the stuck dump valve, the line leak and the sheared shear
> coupling pin.
>
> The pump and the shear coupling are the hardest to check.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>
>
> Yeah, sorry, it dumps overboard. Seems as if the problem is one of three
> things
>
>
> 1. The dump valve is stuck open
>
> 2. There is a leak in the line between the pump and the check valve
>
> 3. Shear shaft is done busted
>
>
> Would you guys agree?
>
> Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise prices...
>
> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>
> Scott
>
> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>> provide it.
>>
>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>
>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>> doesn't refill
>
> _____
>
> el_invite.asp?a=7> our Network Research Panel today!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:48:23 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>
> Bdog,
>
> Drop tanks on the 50? When you get a chance, I would like the details of
> how
> you plumbed it and where are you hanging the tanks. I'm assuming two since
> you post was written as a plural of tank. Got any pictures?
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:47 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>
>
> Hal....thanks for the update. I'm delayed due to getting planes delivered
> back to customers before I leave. Just completed the last FCF....now just
> have to put the drop tanks on the -50 and head out. Planning St. George,
> UT
> tonight....then MTW tomorrow afternoon. See you there!
>
> B
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Hal Morley wrote:
>
> Saturday afternoon at Manitowoc.
>
> Troops,
>
> There are three of us here- John Finley in his IAR, myself and JOhn Cox my
> GIB. Wonder where everyone else is?
>
> Pappy, would appreciate a call if you change plans. Would also like to
> know
> what the plan is for the arrival on Sunday.
>
> There are a bunch of Cherokees here now,more due tomorrow. They all leave
> tomorrow and not returning.
>
> We have a van and a car here. Let me know if you need a ride. Plaanning
> dinner about 8.
>
> Hal Morley 503-704-6559.
>
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> RLang27641@aol.com, bwalker11@charter.net, lacloudchaser@yahoo.com,
> cpayne@joimail.com, fougapilot@gmail.com, yakjock@msn.com,
> TCalloway@hangar-d.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com, cpayne1@joimail.com,
> DaBear@devere.us, bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Duncan1574@ExecPc.com,
> robwork@robinhill.com, cpayne@mc.net, johnwcox@pacificnw.com,
> rob@robinhill.com, michaelclove@tds.net, rlanger2@comcast.net
> Subject: OSH arrivals
>
>
> Troops,
>
> Got a message from EAA WB pres Rick.
>
> RPA can arrive on Sunday, in mass, at 1230. That time is set for us.
> There
> will be some T-6/SNJ arriving with us.
>
> Just how this will be done and how many NATA will also show up will not be
> known until the night before.
>
> One plan was for us to meet them at Dodge County, Hartford and sortie
> together. The other idea is do an phone brief with leads and do an
> airborne
> roundup and proceed in together.
>
> Any group larger than 5 aircraft will require special clearance and set
> times. Smaller groups will do the WB arrival.
>
> The rest of the NATA + T-28 group will show up on Monday for the WB
> arrival
> during the show. RPA can do the same or those who are already there can
> get
> airborne out of OSH and join the arrival corp.
>
> My personal plan is to arrive at MTW on Saturday the 20th. Sortie on
> Sunday
> to OSH in mass.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
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Val,
You will probably have to go to the Matronics web site and change your email
address.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/21/07
>
> Hi there,
>
> Please send my Yak List email to Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com I've had
> to change my IP server and won't get them on Valkyre1@comcast.net any
> more.
>
> Thanks much,
> - Val
>
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>>
>> 1. 12:03 PM - gill louver and oil cooler outlet shutter on CJ6A
>> (Brian Lloyd)
>> 2. 12:07 PM - Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Sarah Tobin)
>> 3. 01:09 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Tim Gagnon)
>> 4. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (A. Dennis
>> Savarese)
>> 5. 01:55 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Tim Gagnon)
>> 6. 03:47 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Yak Pilot)
>> 7. 04:47 PM - Re: OSH arrivals (Barry Hancock)
>> 8. 05:18 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Scott
>> Poehlmann)
>> 9. 05:39 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Sarah Tobin)
>> 10. 08:35 PM - Air system problem.... (Tim Gagnon)
>> 11. 08:42 PM - Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor (Roger Kemp)
>> 12. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrivals (Roger Kemp)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:03:48 PM PST US
>> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: gill louver and oil cooler outlet shutter on CJ6A
>>
>>
>> Well I didn't quite make it to OSH in Pappy's back seat. It just
>> didn't work out. Next year.
>>
>> Now for a real question. Does anyone know both the throw and the
>> force exerted by the actuators for the gill louvers and the oil
>> cooler door for the CJ6A?
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
>> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
>> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>>
>> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
>> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:07:16 PM PST US
>> From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>> provide it.
>>
>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now leaks
>> fuel
>> whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>
>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I fly.
>> It is
>> holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but doesn't refill at
>> all
>> while running. Snot valve is clear and no obvious problems on the lines
>> external
>> to compressor. I believe the problem to be in the compressor itself. I
>> have heard that you have to fashion a special tool to get in there. Is
>> this
>> true, if so advice please.
>>
>> Smash
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>>
>>
>> On the compressor issue, I had the same problems and mine turned out to
>> be a the
>> shear coupling. Dennis mentioned to check the check valve coming out of
>> the
>> compressor. Mine was pretty dirty and was very difficult to move.
>>
>> One way to check the compressor is to put a surgical glove over the inlet
>> on the
>> top and turn to the prop. If it sucks it in, then more than likely the
>> compressor
>> is ok. If not, then your problem is a bad compressor.
>>
>> The gaskets can be had from Jill or Doug may even have them. While your
>> at it,
>> get a couple extra and also make sure the one on the oil cap is ok.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125107#125107
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:18:36 PM PST US
>> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>>
>> Don't necessarily assume the compressor is bad if the glove does not get
>> sucked in. It could very well be the shear coupling. Unfortunately the
>> only way to find out if it is the shear coupling or compressor is to pull
>> the compressor from the engine. Be sure to clean the output check valve
>> on
>> the compressor. A blocked check valve can cause enough back pressure to
>> cause the shear coupling to shear.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:08 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On the compressor issue, I had the same problems and mine turned out to
>>> be
>>> a the shear coupling. Dennis mentioned to check the check valve coming
>>> out
>>> of the compressor. Mine was pretty dirty and was very difficult to move.
>>>
>>> One way to check the compressor is to put a surgical glove over the
>>> inlet
>>> on the top and turn to the prop. If it sucks it in, then more than
>>> likely
>>> the compressor is ok. If not, then your problem is a bad compressor.
>>>
>>> The gaskets can be had from Jill or Doug may even have them. While your
>>> at
>>> it, get a couple extra and also make sure the one on the oil cap is ok.
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125107#125107
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:55:20 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>>
>>
>> D,
>>
>> I failed to mention that here but mentioned it in a email to Smash. You
>> are exactly
>> right and that was exactly the problem with mine. I bought a compressor
>> as
>> a back and now have two just in case the prices keep going up! I also
>> bought
>> a spare coupling.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125109#125109
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:47:08 PM PST US
>> From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>> Smash, more times than not, failure to get compressed air is not a
>> compressor problem.
>> Of course it is the natural thing to jump on but be careful. You might
>> go through a lot of hard work and money if you just leap on the
>> compressor
>> without running other tests first. You said: "My compressor has an auto
>> shut
>> off" and is not refilling when I fly". Ok,. what do you mean EXACTLY by
>> an "auto
>> shut off" ??? What you probably mean is that you have some type of
>> reliever
>> valve. This can be something so simple as a remote method to open your
>> snnot
>> valve, to more elaborate electrical valves that basically vent the
>> compressor
>> output to free, or outside air. In other words, they do not compress
>> anything
>> anymore. So can you describe this device please?
>>
>> In many case, if you have a hard line leading from the compressor banjo
>> fitting
>> to the snot valve, this can crack and your compressed air will just leak
>> out
>> the crack.
>>
>> You can also have a bad, or leaky banjo fitting on the bottom of the
>> compressor
>> itself. This is VERY common. It is hard to troubleshoot this stuff
>> without
>> some hand made tools and fittings, but here is a hint. Try to find some
>> fittings
>> so that you can take the air line that runs over to the snot valve off...
>> at the snot valve. Now connect (anyway you can) a source of air to the
>> line
>> you just took off. Blow air BACKWARDS through this line towards the
>> compressor.
>> Listen for leaks. When you find them, there is your problem.
>>
>> Be VERY suspicious of the banjo fitting on the bottom of the compressor.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>> N50YK
>>
>>
>> Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>> provide
>> it.
>>
>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now leaks
>> fuel
>> whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>
>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I fly.
>> It is
>> holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but doesn't refill at
>> all
>> while running. Snot valve is clear and no obvious problems on the lines
>> external
>> to compressor. I believe the problem to be in the compressor itself. I
>> have heard that you have to fashion a special tool to get in there. Is
>> this
>> true, if so advice please.
>>
>> Smash
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:47:11 PM PST US
>> From: Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>>
>> Hal....thanks for the update. I'm delayed due to getting planes
>> delivered back to customers before I leave. Just completed the last
>> FCF....now just have to put the drop tanks on the -50 and head out.
>> Planning St. George, UT tonight....then MTW tomorrow afternoon. See
>> you there!
>>
>> B
>> On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Hal Morley wrote:
>>
>>> Saturday afternoon at Manitowoc.
>>>
>>> Troops,
>>>
>>> There are three of us here- John Finley in his IAR, myself and JOhn
>>> Cox my GIB.- Wonder where everyone else is?
>>>
>>> Pappy, would appreciate a call if you change plans.- Would also like
>>
>>> to know what the plan is for the arrival on Sunday.
>>>
>>> There are a bunch of Cherokees here now,more due tomorrow.- They all
>>
>>> leave tomorrow and not returning.
>>>
>>> We have a van and a car here.- Let me know if you need a ride.-
>>> Plaanning dinner about 8.
>>>
>>> Hal Morley- 503-704-6559.
>>>
>>>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com, darrell@garyhouse.net, david@mcgirt.net,
>>
>>>> RLang27641@aol.com, bwalker11@charter.net, lacloudchaser@yahoo.com,
>>
>>>> cpayne@joimail.com, fougapilot@gmail.com, yakjock@msn.com,
>>>> TCalloway@hangar-d.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com,
>>>> cpayne1@joimail.com, DaBear@devere.us,
>>>> bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Duncan1574@ExecPc.com,
>>>> robwork@robinhill.com, cpayne@mc.net, johnwcox@pacificnw.com,
>>>> rob@robinhill.com, michaelclove@tds.net, rlanger2@comcast.net
>>>> Subject: OSH arrivals
>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:02:53 EDT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Troops,
>>>> -
>>>> Got a message from EAA WB pres Rick.
>>>> -
>>>> RPA can arrive on Sunday, in mass, at 1230.- That time is set for
>>
>>>> us.- There will be some T-6/SNJ arriving with us.
>>>> -
>>>> Just how this will be done and how many NATA will also show up will
>>
>>>> not be known until the night before.
>>>> -
>>>> One plan was for us to meet them at Dodge County, Hartford and sortie
>>
>>>> together.- The other idea is do an phone brief with leads and do an
>>
>>>> airborne roundup and proceed in together.
>>>> -
>>>> Any group larger than 5 aircraft will require special-clearance and
>>
>>>> set times.- Smaller groups will do the WB arrival.
>>>> -
>>>> The rest of the NATA + T-28 group will show up on Monday for the WB
>>
>>>> arrival-during the show.- RPA can do the same or those-who are
>>
>>>> already there can get airborne out of OSH and join the arrival corp.
>>>> -
>>>> My personal plan is to arrive at MTW on Saturday the 20th.- Sortie
>> on
>>>> Sunday to OSH in mass.
>>>> -
>>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>> -
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:18:34 PM PST US
>> From: Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
>> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
>> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise
>> prices...
>>
>> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
>> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
>> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
>> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
>> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
>> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
>> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
>> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
>> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>>> provide it.
>>>
>>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>>
>>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>>> doesn't refill at all while running. Snot valve is clear and no
>>> obvious problems on the lines external to compressor. I believe the
>>> problem to be in the compressor itself. I have heard that you have to
>>> fashion a special tool to get in there. Is this true, if so advice
>>> please.
>>>
>>> Smash
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Pinpoint customers
>>> are looking for what you sell.
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 9
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:39:52 PM PST US
>> From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>> Yeah, sorry, it dumps overboard. Seems as if the problem is one of three
>> things
>>
>> 1. The dump valve is stuck open
>> 2. There is a leak in the line between the pump and the check valve
>> 3. Shear shaft is done busted
>>
>> Would you guys agree?
>>
>> Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
>> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
>> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise
>> prices...
>>
>> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
>> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
>> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
>> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
>> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
>> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
>> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
>> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
>> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>>> provide it.
>>>
>>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>>
>>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>>> doesn't refill at all while running. Snot valve is clear and no
>>> obvious problems on the lines external to compressor. I believe the
>>> problem to be in the compressor itself. I have heard that you have to
>>> fashion a special tool to get in there. Is this true, if so advice
>>> please.
>>>
>>> Smash
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Pinpoint customers
>>> who
>>> are looking for what you sell.
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 10
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:35:42 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: Air system problem....
>> From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
>>
>>
>> I will try to be as specific as I can about the issue....
>>
>> Yak-50....
>>
>> A bit of history is in order. The primary side bottle failed and needed
>> to be replaced.
>> No Yak-50 size bottle (6 liters) on the planet so I opted for a -52
>> bottle
>> (11 liters). Got said bottle and knew it was NOT going where the smaller
>> bottle came from. SO......built up some structure forward of the
>> batteries and
>> mounted the bottle there. (Moved the batt's up too and built a cargo box
>> where
>> the batts were)
>>
>> Anyway...We did a retraction test at annual and did not notice any leaks
>> at the
>> gear. No leaks elsewhere that we could find. So, a few weeks pass and the
>> airplane
>> develops an air problem. Here is what I am doing and what the airplane IS
>> NOT doing.
>>
>> Normal ops.
>>
>> Prior to start:
>> * 50 atms PRIOR to opening the valve.
>>
>> * Open the valve, the pressure drops about 30+ atms to around 20.
>>
>> * Starts...slower due to lower pressure...but starts.
>>
>> * Long Taxi.....pressure comes up slowly to about 30-35.
>>
>> * Take off...gear nearly kills my pressure coming up. Drops back to about
>> 20. (Today,
>> I had to put some negative on the gear to get it to lock up)
>>
>> *Fly around a bit and the thing makes air like its on crack. Great
>> pressure and
>> pop off valve works good.
>>
>> * Gear down...and there goes about 30+ atms! (I now put the gear down a
>> little
>> sooner to make sure there is plenty of press for brakes and in the event
>> I need
>> to bring gear up for GA.)
>>
>> Land.....Run the airplane up and let pressure build back up to about 50
>> atms, shut
>> off the main valve (which reveals a climb in guage pressure), and kill
>> the
>> engine. Chocks in...off to the house.
>>
>> A week or so later and I have about .5 less atms. Not a huge loss. But go
>> to fly,
>> and it is back to what I listed above.
>>
>> Here are a few observations:
>>
>> 1.) No leaking sound near the rams.
>> 2.) No hissing from the gear handle. (A fine mist of tool oil comes out
>> from servicing)
>> 3.) Holds air well after a few days of sitting. Very little loss.
>> 4.) Gear down..takes some time making air. (low RPM?)
>> 5.) Gear up, makes silly amounts of air. (high RPM?)
>>
>> Now today, I had a slow left main. Positive and Negative g's were needed
>> to get
>> up/down lock. I am not sure if that is "lower" pressure issue OR a leak
>> on that
>> side.
>>
>> Is that very clear?
>>
>> Thanks in advance! I would get a simpler airplane but I am addicted to
>> this problem
>> child. I just cannot seem to kick the habit.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125145#125145
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 11
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:42:40 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>> Smash,
>>
>> Don't forgot the check valve along with the pump itself as you are
>> evaluating the stuck dump valve, the line leak and the sheared shear
>> coupling pin.
>>
>> The pump and the shear coupling are the hardest to check.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Cap O ring and Air Compressor
>>
>>
>> Yeah, sorry, it dumps overboard. Seems as if the problem is one of three
>> things
>>
>>
>> 1. The dump valve is stuck open
>>
>> 2. There is a leak in the line between the pump and the check valve
>>
>> 3. Shear shaft is done busted
>>
>>
>> Would you guys agree?
>>
>> Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> For the O-rings, I'd start with calling Hubie Tolson (I have his number
>> around here somewhere if you don't). Failing that, I THINK that George
>> Coy has some. Worst case, WLAC in England has them at pound-wise
>> prices...
>>
>> Is there a cut-off valve for the compressor? Mine has a solenoid set-up
>> which dumps overboard unless I actuate a switch to charge the tank.
>> Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by an "auto-shut-off". The
>> compressor runs all the time the engine is running. It's just a matter
>> of where the air goes (into the bottle or overboard). Most 55's did NOT
>> come from the factory with the compressor, so you'll need to go and look
>> at exactly how yours is plumbed. I can send you a diagram of mine if you
>> wish, but unless your came into the US through Scott Erickson, it is
>> UNLIKELY that your is plumbed the same way...
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>>> I have two issues and would like advice/help from anyone willing to
>>> provide it.
>>>
>>> 1. Need to find an O ring for my fuel cap that has rotted and now
>>> leaks fuel whenever I'm vertical or pushing. Where would I find one?
>>>
>>> 2. My compressor has an auto shut off and is not refilling when I
>>> fly. It is holding air fine, and starts fine on when I refill, but
>>> doesn't refill
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 12
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:48:23 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>>
>> Bdog,
>>
>> Drop tanks on the 50? When you get a chance, I would like the details of
>> how
>> you plumbed it and where are you hanging the tanks. I'm assuming two
>> since
>> you post was written as a plural of tank. Got any pictures?
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:47 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH arrivals
>>
>>
>> Hal....thanks for the update. I'm delayed due to getting planes delivered
>> back to customers before I leave. Just completed the last FCF....now just
>> have to put the drop tanks on the -50 and head out. Planning St. George,
>> UT
>> tonight....then MTW tomorrow afternoon. See you there!
>>
>> B
>> On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Hal Morley wrote:
>>
>> Saturday afternoon at Manitowoc.
>>
>> Troops,
>>
>> There are three of us here- John Finley in his IAR, myself and JOhn Cox
>> my
>> GIB. Wonder where everyone else is?
>>
>> Pappy, would appreciate a call if you change plans. Would also like to
>> know
>> what the plan is for the arrival on Sunday.
>>
>> There are a bunch of Cherokees here now,more due tomorrow. They all
>> leave
>> tomorrow and not returning.
>>
>> We have a van and a car here. Let me know if you need a ride. Plaanning
>> dinner about 8.
>>
>> Hal Morley 503-704-6559.
>>
>> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>> RLang27641@aol.com, bwalker11@charter.net, lacloudchaser@yahoo.com,
>> cpayne@joimail.com, fougapilot@gmail.com, yakjock@msn.com,
>> TCalloway@hangar-d.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com, cpayne1@joimail.com,
>> DaBear@devere.us, bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Duncan1574@ExecPc.com,
>> robwork@robinhill.com, cpayne@mc.net, johnwcox@pacificnw.com,
>> rob@robinhill.com, michaelclove@tds.net, rlanger2@comcast.net
>> Subject: OSH arrivals
>>
>>
>> Troops,
>>
>> Got a message from EAA WB pres Rick.
>>
>> RPA can arrive on Sunday, in mass, at 1230. That time is set for us.
>> There
>> will be some T-6/SNJ arriving with us.
>>
>> Just how this will be done and how many NATA will also show up will not
>> be
>> known until the night before.
>>
>> One plan was for us to meet them at Dodge County, Hartford and sortie
>> together. The other idea is do an phone brief with leads and do an
>> airborne
>> roundup and proceed in together.
>>
>> Any group larger than 5 aircraft will require special clearance and set
>> times. Smaller groups will do the WB arrival.
>>
>> The rest of the NATA + T-28 group will show up on Monday for the WB
>> arrival
>> during the show. RPA can do the same or those who are already there can
>> get
>> airborne out of OSH and join the arrival corp.
>>
>> My personal plan is to arrive at MTW on Saturday the 20th. Sortie on
>> Sunday
>> to OSH in mass.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Jul 30, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Genzlinger, Reade wrote:
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> Thanks, Dan. Two of the guys here at Alpine Airport (Wyoming) are
> personal friends with the Beck Family Gerry Beck was the pilot in #2.
Gerry Beck from Whapeton, ND? Damn. He was a friend. He flew 16 hours
one day in the back seat of my CJ6A to pick up my RV-4 which I had
sold him. We were flying back to Sacramento from Whapeton and didn't
beat the weather coming over the Sierras and had to fly down through
Vegas and into the south end of the Central Valley to get home that
day. The next year I blew my trim cable putting the battery back in
(that is when Sly gave me the callsign "sparky"). My field repair on
the trim system wasn't good enough so I again stopped in Whapeton
where Gerry helped me rebuild it properly.
He and I talked about his P51A kit project. He was going to offer a
full-scale P51A kit powered by a new old-stock Allison. I guess that
was his prototype he was flying. He had all the tooling. I was going
to build one.
Aw shit. Damn. I can't read the screen anymore.
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