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1. 06:28 AM - Flying at night (Don Milbourn)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: (more) brake problems (Tim Gagnon)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Flying at night (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 08:31 AM - Yak 50 priming drip (John Alber)
5. 08:32 AM - Re: Flying at night (Doug Sapp)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Flying at night (Brian Lloyd)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (Jan Mevis)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (Tim Gagnon)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: Flying at night (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Beware (Someone else's view) (Mark Schrick)
11. 02:03 PM - Re: Flying at night (Brian Lloyd)
12. 02:13 PM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (Brian Lloyd)
13. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Re: Beware (Someone else's view) (Craig Payne)
14. 07:35 PM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (Roger Kemp)
15. 08:29 PM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (david stroud)
16. 09:11 PM - Re: Yak 50 priming drip (Roger Kemp)
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Hi all I have a Yak 52 on the operation limitation it says day VFR only.
If I install nav & strobe lights can it be flown at night ?
Thanks
Don Milbourn
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| Subject: | Re: (more) brake problems |
> who says I need a 50, why? I can fly yours! Thanks man.
>
Damn...you're right.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
Don,
The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;
(c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this
section. (You should already have all the required instruments and
equipment - Day VFR)
(2) Approved position lights.
(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light
system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light
systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which
a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971,
must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27,
or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10,
1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation
white. In the event of failure of any light of the anticollision light
system, operations with the aircraft may be continued to a stop where
repairs or replacement can be made.
(4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.
(Not Applicable)
(5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical
and radio equipment.
(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required,
that are accessible to the pilot in flight. (Circuit Breakers should
meet this requirement)
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Milbourn
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Flying at night
Hi all I have a Yak 52 on the operation limitation it says day VFR
only. If I install nav & strobe lights can it be flown at night ?
Thanks
Don Milbourn
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| Subject: | Yak 50 priming drip |
When I prime my 50, fuel drips from the airbox under the carb.
Dennis thinks this may be normal on 50s and not show up on 52s
because they are level. Any other 50 or 55 drivers have this
experience?
Thanks
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
Guys,
The root problem is still the same as it has been for years. There is
NO " standard" at the Flight Standards offices throughout the US. Some
are good some are bad. The are all run as individual thief dooms with
each guy forcing his own will and personal reading of the FARs upon
those fortunate or unfortunate enough to live in his area. I have seem
copy of ops letter so crazy that it was obvious that the writer was
applying jet rules to the Yak. One letter said that flights out of the
pro area for lower fuel prices were authorized, my own op letter says
"Flights out of the proficiency area for the sake of proficiency are
authorized". HUH?? Sorry to be so negative but that's just the way it
is, and until we can get our local FSDO to ask for a clarification if
they don't understand we won't have any "standard" or continuity of rule
and regs. They seem to take it VERY personally if you buck them and
they make it VERY clear that your better think twice about pushing to
hard. Paperwork gets delayed, minutia suddenly becomes of paramount
importance. When did you say you wanted to fly your
aircraft...........? So YES you can show them the regs and YES you are
probably correct, but you have made them look bad, the Chinese call it
loosing face, and trust me you WILL pay a price for your being right
unless you are VERY diplomatic. The best way I have found is to gather
copies of several good ops letters and submit them with you paperwork
citing the FAR for each, takes a bit of work on your part and actually
saves him a bunch of work. It also gives him a real clear picture of
not only the facts but what other FSDO's are doing as well.
Always yakin,
Doug
Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Don,
> The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;
>
> *(c) /Visual flight rules (night)./ For VFR flight at night, the
> following instruments and equipment are required: *
>
> (1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this
> section. *(You should already have all the required instruments and
> equipment - Day VFR)*
>
> (2) Approved position lights.
>
> (3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light
> system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light
> systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for
> which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11,
> 1971, must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23,
> 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on
> August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or
> aviation white. *_In the event of failure of any light of the
> anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be
> continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made._*
>
> (4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.
> *(Not Applicable)*
>
> (5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed
> electrical and radio equipment.
>
> (6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind
> required, that are accessible to the pilot in flight. *(Circuit
> Breakers should meet this requirement)*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Don Milbourn <mailto:valleyauto@clearwire.net>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:35 AM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Flying at night
>
> Hi all I have a Yak 52 on the operation limitation it says day VFR
> only. If I install nav & strobe lights can it be flown at night ?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don Milbourn
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Don,
> The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;
But if his limitations say "day VFR only" then he has to get that
changed too.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Yak 50 priming drip |
I have had it when priming too much. Be careful when priming. You may start
a fire. I have already started a fire once. I was very lucky to have friends
with fire extinguishers in the neighborhood. No damage thanks to their rapid
intervention! The fire I started, was entirely my own fault, being
unexperienced with the Yak.
IMHO, when the engine does not start easily, there's some problem. For best
practices, try to have someone with a fire extinguisher in the neighborhood
when starting. Of course, this is not always possible.
Jan Mevis
YK 50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber
Sent: zaterdag 4 augustus 2007 17:28
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 priming drip
When I prime my 50, fuel drips from the airbox under the carb.
Dennis thinks this may be normal on 50s and not show up on 52s
because they are level. Any other 50 or 55 drivers have this
experience?
Thanks
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 50 priming drip |
I have never seen that on my -50...at least not that I can remember. Does it happen
with just one squirt or after a few?
Did you just recently buy that -50 and if so, from whom..if you do not mind me
asking.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
Many OL's say something like the following:
"Unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in
accordance with FAR 91.205, this aircraft shall be operated Day VFR
only." Mine does. If it does not say that, then Brian is spot on and
the OL's would have to be amended regardless of the fact that you
installed the equipment required by 91.205.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying at night
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> On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
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>> Don,
>> The aircraft is operated under Part 91 and Part 91 says;
>
> But if his limitations say "day VFR only" then he has to get that
> changed too.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
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> - Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry
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> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A
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| Subject: | Re: Beware (Someone else's view) |
HERE......HERE......I am glad that we got both sides of this story. I know
that George and Cliff had similar issues and un-paid bills from another Yak
52TW owner with a large panel build.
These aircraft are not common plus many people and A&P's have very little
and no experience working with these great aircraft (let alone work with
Cyrillic letters).
I have worked with Gulf Coast before and they have always been professional
on the phone and worked to help resolve a bad used radio I purchased. 5
months later after purchasing the radio went bad and they sent me a
replacement. That is pretty good service.
I hope everyone knows that there is always two sides of each story and we
must be able to read when someone embellishes the story to his side also.
Someone always knows the total truth.
Lets all work together to keep these fine aircraft flying and help each
other so we know when someone is really bad with service and to help keep
everyone from accidents to keep our insurance premiums down.
Lets keep our heads up and keep fly right.
Be safe........
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad M.
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Beware
To all reading this posting, I would like to remind everyone that there are
always two sides to every story. As with any installation things can come
up that are unexpected and unplanned, especially when dealing with such a
unique aircraft as the YAK. Were there issues yes, were there delays of
course, and as the manager I take full responsibility!
Was the aircraft in our facility for 4 months, no! It was 3 months. Still
a long time when we expected 4 weeks. Changes and customizations that had
to be made to accomidate components goint places were it "looks" like it
should fit. Fabrication of mount structure that do not exist, or would not
work. Just as in the case of the autopilot, we were assured by the
manufacturer that there were lots of installations, and come to find out
that we were providing the documentation and mounting for future installs
after the fact. Fabricating custom brackets, having special made parts
shipped back and forth. All of which lead to delays.
When the aircraft was to picked up did the main hydraulic line have a tear
in it? Absolutely! Should we be held responsible for that absolutely not!.
The brake line was the wrong type line, it was standard clear soft plastic
static tubing, not designed for corrosive fluids. Once we found where the
fluid going when the reservoir was filled, we found the hose broken at a
clamp where the fluid had caused the hose to become deteriorated. It was
not just a broken line due to negligence, and it was not the only line, that
was bad, the entire brake system was put together with that tubing. When a
mechanic was found who was willing to work on the ship, he had to replace
all the lines!
I could easily respond to every point, and the fact is there are always two
sides, neither is ever completely right or wrong, we are the first to tell
you we are not perfect. However the bottom line when Mr. Gauge left with
the aircraft after the squawks he had listed were repaired, OVER ONE YEAR
AGO, that was the last we had heard of any problems until now! His many
letters were one we received prior to his posting.
Gulf Coast Avionics would not be rated in the top 20 every year by all the
manufacturers we support if we were not doing something right. We are not
in the business of leaving any customer with problems.
Regards,
Brad Miller
Service Manager
Gulf Coast Avionics Corp.
(863) 709-9714 ext 108
brad@gca.aero
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| Subject: | Re: Flying at night |
On Aug 4, 2007, at 1:18 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Many OL's say something like the following:
> "Unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight
> in accordance with FAR 91.205, this aircraft shall be operated Day
> VFR only." Mine does.
Yes, this is what a properly-worded OL should say.
> If it does not say that, then Brian is spot on and the OL's would
> have to be amended regardless of the fact that you installed the
> equipment required by 91.205.
Right-o.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 50 priming drip |
On Aug 4, 2007, at 11:27 AM, John Alber wrote:
>
> When I prime my 50, fuel drips from the airbox under the carb.
> Dennis thinks this may be normal on 50s and not show up on 52s
> because they are level. Any other 50 or 55 drivers have this
> experience?
Perhaps it is a good idea to think about what is happening when you
prime your engine so you have an idea what to expect and what can
happen.
The Housai and M14 engines inject the primer at the top of the
supercharger housing. (I think that the idea was that the gasoline on
the large surface area of the supercharger impeller would vaporize
better, especially with the supercharger rotating as the engine
starts.) Regardless, if you put a lot of prime in there it is going
to drip to the bottom of the housing where it will either go into the
intake risers for the lower cylinders and/or, if it flows down the
blades of the impeller toward the the aft central part, out through
the carburetor. If it does that it will drip out the carb into the
airbox and then out the bottom of the air box.
To be honest, if you have fuel dripping out of the airbox you have
probably put in too much prime. It is a good idea to have someone
rotate the prop one blade for every shot of primer to better
distribute the prime around in the supercharger housing. In that case
there is less chance it will find its way out through the carburetor
or pool in the intake riser tubes. BTW, a big slug of primer in the
intake riser tubes can be sucked up and cause a hydraulic lock just
like a slug of oil will.
So, if your engine doesn't fire after about three blades, you did
something wrong. Continuing to pump in primer is probably not the
best solution unless you know for a fact that you are under primed.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: Beware (Someone else's view) |
Mark,
Be advised, someone is doing the same thing to you. Pulling emails off the yak-list
and sending out hate mail about your business practices under the name email
name of "Mad Dog" (reminds me of what I am drinking as I write this) . My
spam filter caught it and I deleted same. Had the sender included specifics,
perhaps I would inquire further.
Gulf Coast is in my backyard and the people I worked for did a lot of purchase
and install business with them. 2 points: 1) our problems with their installation
always got resolved but (2) it took a persistent and concerted effort on our
behalf to effect that outcome. I can also say the same about our dealings with
the other Big Name shops in Florida.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Yak 50 priming drip |
Jon,
How many strokes are you injecting into the supercharger. The primer line
attaches to the top of the supercharger the same as on the 52. Everything
said earlier on the list is correct. If you charge the system to much some
fuel may run out of the carburetor throat. The is a lot of fuel if your
priming is on the cylinder side (on the 50, the primer is rotated inboard.
To pressurize the carb/fuel system, the primer plunger is rotated out board
on the 50). Just so we know, and not to ask a stupid question either. But
are you priming the supercharger or are you pressurizing the system?
I have seen fuel running down the throat of my carb after I scavenge the
system. I see the blue drops at the back of my carb. It really was not
coming from my carb though. It was coming from the overflow vent on the left
lower side of the fuel pump. That was the first sign that I had seals in my
fuel pump diaphragm going bad. The second sign was that oil began to drip
out of the overflow drain pipe. I could not find the source for the fuel and
then the oil drip which was very slow. And aggravating to find too!
One day when I was up under the engine with the cowl off with a flashlight
and spanner wrench tightening the lower exhaust collars trying to chase down
the leak. A drip from the overflow tube on the left side of the fuel pump
blessed me by hitting me in the face!
So saying all that, don't assume that it is from only the carb. You may well
have some diaphragms wearing out in the carburetor but after a couple of
discussions with Rob Kent in England, Carl Hayes, and Steve Culp with Dennis
and I both scratching our heads, all confirmed that it was extremely rare to
have a problem with the carburetor (Dennis too). So look at the overflow
vent on the left side of the fuel pump. If you have you have any fluid
dripping down from the side, you have a pump diaphragm seal going bad. That
will be followed by the oil seal going bad with the symptom of oil dripping
from the
Overflow vent.
Oh, I also saw fuel residue on the drip pan after she sat for a for a couple
of days in the hanger. I also saw it dripping out of the back of the air
breather box where the ram horns would attach if I still had mine on the
plane. I saw that after shutdown, with it sitting for a little while, and I
vaguely remember seeing a few drops after I primed and pulled blades.
Maybe this helps some too.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 priming drip
When I prime my 50, fuel drips from the airbox under the carb.
Dennis thinks this may be normal on 50s and not show up on 52s
because they are level. Any other 50 or 55 drivers have this
experience?
Thanks
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 50 priming drip |
Amigos...this recent talk about primers got me looking for one and I found a new
one on ebay for 100 bucks. They state it's for all Yaks etc and being a two way
item,
it primes the cyls and / or pressures the carb. I'm installing a Huosai and know
bugger all about the primer needs. Is this type of primer something I should grab
right now or would some other arrangement be more suitable ...ie ..electric etc.
?
Or..if some lister can sell me one direct, that would be my preferred route.
Thanks...
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction
and on the gear...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 50 priming drip
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| Subject: | Yak 50 priming drip |
Dave,
I have a YAK which has an M-14P. The primers for both the M-14 and the
Housai are the same. I would personally trust on from Doug Sapp, Carl
Hayes, Steve Culp, Rob Kent or George Coy long before I would trust the one
one EBAY for the highest bidder. Since it is my rosey pink that is dependent
on that part, I prefer getting it from someone has supplied me with reliable
parts in the past.
To answer the rest of your question, yes you need that type primer. You
could come up with an electric pump to do the job also at a higher cost. I
prefer the existing one that I have which the factory stock one.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david stroud
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 50 priming drip
Amigos...this recent talk about primers got me looking for one and I found a
new
one on ebay for 100 bucks. They state it's for all Yaks etc and being a two
way item,
it primes the cyls and / or pressures the carb. I'm installing a Huosai and
know
bugger all about the primer needs. Is this type of primer something I should
grab
right now or would some other arrangement be more suitable ...ie ..electric
etc. ?
Or..if some lister can sell me one direct, that would be my preferred route.
Thanks...
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction
and on the gear...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 50 priming drip
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