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1. 03:49 AM - Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Richard Goode)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (fougapilot)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics - Patty Wagstaff (Matt Reeves)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (John Alber)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Ira Saligman)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Scott Poehlmann)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jan Mevis)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Herb Coussons)
9. 06:41 AM - Base Change (PSalter@aol.com)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: Base Change (Herb Coussons)
11. 08:18 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jorgen Nielsen)
12. 08:21 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jorgen Nielsen)
13. 09:52 AM - Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (Robert Starnes)
14. 10:19 AM - Re: Base Change (Scooter)
15. 01:59 PM - Re: Base Change (Lynn Allen)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: Base Change (Dale)
17. 03:58 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 04:47 PM - Re: Base Change (A. Dennis Savarese)
19. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Base Change (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 07:47 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (FamilyGage@aol.com)
21. 07:49 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (Bill Mills)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Base Change (Roger Kemp)
23. 11:02 PM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Mark Scrivener)
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| Subject: | Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Mark
Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere
else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt
with
an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the
issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the
following website link:
<http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm>
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
Skype: Richard.Goode
<http://www.russianaeros.com/> www.russianaeros.com
Mark Scrivener <mark_scrivener@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV).
I'm
still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic
instruction in it very soon.
Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done
acro in
the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject
might
help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on
those
long commercial flights I seem
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Mark,
Keep an eye out for Sergei Boriak. He is a former World Aerobatic Champion, IAC
coach. Sergei currently travels the USA as an airshow pilot (flying a Sukoi 31)
and is a friend of the RPA. He has been offering his back seat services to
anyone with a Yak/CJ. I personally flew with him last summer and loved my experience.
A real eye opener.
Books are good. I like Aerobatics by Neil Williams myself (ISBN 0 9504543 03).
But nothing will replace having a highly experience instructor in your back seat
when you do that first spin.
www.sergeiboriak.com
Check out Sergei's schedule. If he is in your neck of the woods he most likely
find time for you. Be ready for a colorful individual.
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129143#129143
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics - Patty Wagstaff |
Patty wrote a good book on aerobatics. I read it a few years ago and she is an
awesome author. I think you can get it on her website. I also heard Sean Tucker's
school of aerobatics is awesome. You can go out and get 10 hours of aerobatic
training and be a safer pilot. I'm sure there are others which are good
too. Would be a wise investment.
Matt
Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
Mark
Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere else,
the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with an experienced
aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the issue with the
Yak-52 spinning suggest you read my article on the following website link:
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
Skype: Richard.Goode
www.russianaeros.com
Mark Scrivener <mark_scrivener@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still
getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in
it very soon.
Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the
Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help
me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial
flights I seem
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Mark,
There are any of good books on aerobatics. My favorites are those by Duane Cole
and Bill Kirshner. Far more important is a thorough curriculum in recovery techniques
for the Yak 52. It is a wonderful aircraft, with very benign and predictable
qualities. But a Yak 52's qualities are different from those typical of
aerobatic training aircraft, such as the Super Decathlon. Indeed, the 52 is
different from its sibling the 50.
It sounds as though you may appreciate this, but this bears repeating.
Once you have thorough training in recoveries, you will be comfortable enough to
buy the best aerobatic training resource: gasoline.
By the way, even very experienced aerobatic instructors may be unfamiliar with
the 52's recovery techniques, as some have learned to their detriment. You need
an expert in the 52. I took my training from Gennady Elfimov in the UK, (and
additional spin training (not Yak specific) from Rich Stowell, whom I recommend
for a very disciplined introduction to aerobatics). Gena sometimes comes to
the US to teach, and there are other Russian aircraft experts in the US as well.
You'll find references to them on the Yak-list.
Such type-specific training is invaluable and may be life-saving if you, like
the rest of us, sometimes botch a hammerhead or Immelman. The 52 gives lots of
warning of impending departures. Training will teach you to recognize and prevent
or, if you've gone too far, to recover. It will teach you the necessity of
safe altitudes (e.g., the best you'll be able to recover an upright flat spin
in is about 1300 feet) and of correct recovery techniques (e.g., Beggs-Mueller
is not effective in the 52, which has its own very specific techniques). Once
you have that training, you will be comfortable trying almost any maneuver,
because you will be confident both of yourself and of the utter predictability
of the 52 when flown according to its requirements.
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
The Yak is great for aerobatics at all levels. There are a number of
great
books, I had one by Mike Goulian and another by Neil Williams.
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aerobatics-Geza-Szurovy/dp/0070629315/ref=s
r_1_2
/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aerobatics-Geza-Szurovy/dp/0070629315/ref=
sr_1_
2/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094751&sr=8-2>
&s=books&qid=1187094751&sr=8-2
http://www.amazon.com/Aerobatics-Neil-Williams/dp/0950454303/ref=sr_1_2
/002-
6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Aerobatics-Neil-Williams/dp/0950454303/ref=sr_1_
2/002
-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094824&sr=8-2>
&s=books&qid=1187094824&sr=8-2
I have always found that flying with an instructor, in their aircraft or
the
YAK was very helpful. Even in their aircraft, you tend to see the same
errors, many of which are natural, and they can show you what to look
for in
a dynamic environment. It looks more or less the same in the Yak.
There are also a handful of instructors who are former Russian Yak
pilots
who come around for a week at a time and you can get some of the best
training possible, everything from very slow loops to inverted flat
spins.
I wouldn't do these by myself but they are eye opening and dispel a lot
of
myths.
Ira Saligman
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Hi Mark,
The best books on Aerobatics that I have used recently are Mike
Goulian's _Basic Aerobatics_ and _Advanced Aerobatics_, and Alan
Cassidy's _Better Aerobatics_. I don't know the print status of
Goulian's books (they date from the mid-90's), but Alan's book can be
had from his web page www.worldaerobatics.com. Alan has a lot of time in
Russian aircraft and at least speaks to the differences.
If you are really interested in learning aerobatics, a book won't cut
it--you will really want to invest in some quality instruction. the IAC
(www.iac.org) maintains a list of aerobatic schools, and I really would
recommend getting some competent instruction before trying this sport.
Good luck,
Scott
Mark Scrivener wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still
getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction
in it very soon.
>
> Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in
the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help
me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial
flights I seem to find myself on).
>
> Can anyone recommend a good book on acro? One aimed at the Yak (or similar airplane)
instead of a 150 or Citabria would be nice. Oh - my primary interest is
having fun and not killing myself - so I want to know all the ways things can
go wrong and how to recover.
>
> BTW - my "other" airplane is a Mooney 231 - which I have close to 1,000 hours
in. Great airplane, but unless I have somewhere to go, I tend not to fly it.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129076#129076
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Thanks for the information, Richard !!
Can you tell us why the original Russian harness is not good enough ? I use
it all the time, also doing a lot of inverted stuff. It worked for the
Russian aces in the 70ties and 80ties. What is wrong with it ?
Jan
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: dinsdag 14 augustus 2007 12:48
Subject: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics
Mark
Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere
else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with
an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the
issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the
following website link:
<http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm>
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
Skype: Richard.Goode
<http://www.russianaeros.com/> www.russianaeros.com
Mark Scrivener <mark_scrivener@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm
still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic
instruction in it very soon.
Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in
the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might
help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those
long commercial flights I seem
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
I would echo some of these comments. The book Basic Aerobatics is
excellent. There is a follow up book called Advanced Aerobatics. I
would recommend this book to be read with the first. Even though you
may not intend on advanced or above, the book goes into some
aerodynamic issues at the extremes of the envelope. (spinning,
snaps, etc that it is very possible to wind up in the 52 unitentionally)
Also I have spent 3 sessions with Sergei, and I have learned more
with him in the backseat in one hour than I do on my own, with books
and other pilots the whole rest of the year. This year we spent 2
hours on the ground discussing spins, inverted spins, and tumbles
then 1:15 on the hobbs doing inverted spins and tumbles. then
another hour and half on the ground with the debrief. I have the
whole flight on my cockpit video - and you just cannot get what he
puts in your brain from a book or most other pilots.
I will put a few more books online when I get home and look through
my collection. But I always go back to these and the old IAC
publications form the 80's.
Herb
52TW
And new owner of N176FD - Yak 55M
Trying to become previous owner of Wilga 35 N33ZV (anyone interested?)
On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Ira Saligman wrote:
> The Yak is great for aerobatics at all levels. There are a number
> of great books, I had one by Mike Goulian and another by Neil
> Williams.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aerobatics-Geza-Szurovy/dp/0070629315/
> ref=sr_1_2/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094751&sr=8-2
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Aerobatics-Neil-Williams/dp/0950454303/
> ref=sr_1_2/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094824&sr=8-2
>
>
> I have always found that flying with an instructor, in their
> aircraft or the YAK was very helpful. Even in their aircraft, you
> tend to see the same errors, many of which are natural, and they
> can show you what to look for in a dynamic environment. It looks
> more or less the same in the Yak.
>
> There are also a handful of instructors who are former Russian Yak
> pilots who come around for a week at a time and you can get some of
> the best training possible, everything from very slow loops to
> inverted flat spins. I wouldn't do these by myself but they are
> eye opening and dispel a lot of myths.
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
> c 610 324 5500
> f 215 243 7699
>
> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
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I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California (RBL) to
Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes well. (1600
nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question is, do I fax my
FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my intentions? The
paperwork is still in process from what I can see as the FAA database still shows
the old owner in California.
Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated.
Thanks
Phil Salter
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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If the bill of sale , application for registration and any lein
release went to Oklahoma. Take your pink slip and the old operating
limitations with you and then notify your FSDO in TX. They will ask
for the old Operating limitations, copy of the pink slip, bill of
sale, and program letter (perhaps you will and last 3 years tax
returns ;)
This is how i just moved a Yak 55 from PA to WI. And all seems to be
going OK - no real headaches.
Herb
On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:41 AM, PSalter@aol.com wrote:
> I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California
> (RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything
> goes well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel).
> My question is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in
> California with my intentions? The paperwork is still in process
> from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old owner
> in California.
>
> Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil Salter
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
I was going to suggest this! Richard beat me to it.
Remember most books use American engines / aircraft as examples, the Yaks
prop turns the other way so you need to reverse the various prop effects
when going through something in your mind.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 14 August 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics
Mark
Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere
else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with
an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the
issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the
following website link:
<http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm>
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
Skype: Richard.Goode
<http://www.russianaeros.com/> www.russianaeros.com
Mark Scrivener <mark_scrivener@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm
still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic
instruction in it very soon.
Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in
the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might
help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those
long commercial flights I seem
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| Subject: | Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Agree with all this.
Gena for example will not begin by teaching aerobatics per se, he will begin
by teaching you how to handle the aircraft properly and at the edges of the
envelope. He will teach how to recover the aircraft properly from any
attitude.
Then you ready to learn aeros.
Have fun! It really is.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber
Sent: 14 August 2007 02:15 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics
Mark,
There are any of good books on aerobatics. My favorites are those by Duane
Cole and Bill Kirshner. Far more important is a thorough curriculum in
recovery techniques for the Yak 52. It is a wonderful aircraft, with very
benign and predictable qualities. But a Yak 52's qualities are different
from those typical of aerobatic training aircraft, such as the Super
Decathlon. Indeed, the 52 is different from its sibling the 50.
It sounds as though you may appreciate this, but this bears repeating.
Once you have thorough training in recoveries, you will be comfortable
enough to buy the best aerobatic training resource: gasoline.
By the way, even very experienced aerobatic instructors may be unfamiliar
with the 52's recovery techniques, as some have learned to their detriment.
You need an expert in the 52. I took my training from Gennady Elfimov in the
UK, (and additional spin training (not Yak specific) from Rich Stowell, whom
I recommend for a very disciplined introduction to aerobatics). Gena
sometimes comes to the US to teach, and there are other Russian aircraft
experts in the US as well. You'll find references to them on the Yak-list.
Such type-specific training is invaluable and may be life-saving if you,
like the rest of us, sometimes botch a hammerhead or Immelman. The 52 gives
lots of warning of impending departures. Training will teach you to
recognize and prevent or, if you've gone too far, to recover. It will teach
you the necessity of safe altitudes (e.g., the best you'll be able to
recover an upright flat spin in is about 1300 feet) and of correct recovery
techniques (e.g., Beggs-Mueller is not effective in the 52, which has its
own very specific techniques). Once you have that training, you will be
comfortable trying almost any maneuver, because you will be confident both
of yourself and of the utter predictability of the 52 when flown according
to its requirements.
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area |
Hey everybody,
Anyone know of any available hanger space in the
Daytona beach, Fla. area? say within 50 miles? Need to
relocate the CJ6 prior to 1 Feb. 08 at the latest.
Thanks, Robert Starnes
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also be useful
to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129191#129191
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You might call the FSDO in Texas where you are going to base your A/C and ask them
what they would like. Up here in Dallas, things are done different from things
in
Ft. Worth ;0) It makes them feel important and warm inside, plus you start on
the right side with them.
Lynn
Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com> wrote:
If the bill of sale , application for registration and any lein release went
to Oklahoma. Take your pink slip and the old operating limitations with you and
then notify your FSDO in TX. They will ask for the old Operating limitations,
copy of the pink slip, bill of sale, and program letter (perhaps you will
and last 3 years tax returns ;)
This is how i just moved a Yak 55 from PA to WI. And all seems to be going OK
- no real headaches.
Herb
On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:41 AM, PSalter@aol.com wrote:
I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California (RBL) to
Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes well. (1600 nautical
miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question is, do I fax my FSDO
in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my intentions? The paperwork
is still in process from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old
owner in California.
Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated.
Thanks
Phil Salter
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AOL.com.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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You should have had the owner request a flight outside of the 300 mile under his
name so you could move it. I learned the hard way and my fsdo would not let
me move it until all the paper work was finished on my end. Two Months later.
Lucky for me the guy I bought it from let me keep it in his hangar for awhile.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area |
There is none on our airpark (FD44) but try Palatka (28J). Beyond that
there is nothing.
Pappy
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Phil,
Get the present/former owner to FAX his local FSDO with an intention to
relocate the airplane to Beaumont. If you do it, it's going to cause
you much pain. Then when you get to Beaumont, start the paperwork
process with your local FSDO. Remember, you must absolutely have the
hard copy of the Registration in your name before any FSDO inspector is
going to process your application for Airworthiness Certificate and
issue the Operating Limitations.
Dennis
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From: PSalter@aol.com
To: Yak-List@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Base Change
I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California
(RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes
well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question
is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my
intentions? The paperwork is still in process from what I can see as
the FAA database still shows the old owner in California.
Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated.
Thanks
Phil Salter
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If the OL's that you have, which are most likely the last owner's OL's, I
would not recommend you contact your local (Beaumont) FSDO because they most
likely don't have a clue about relocating an airplane from one home base to
another. It could take you days to get whatever your local FSDO wants. The
reason for this recommendation is because the FSDO where the aircraft is
presently located has jurisdiction over that aircraft. Not Beaumont. When
you get to Beaumont, THEN the FSDO that has jurisdiction over Beaumont has
responsibility. Notify the FSDO where the current OL's were issued by FAX
telling them the aircraft is being relocated to Beaumont, the route of
flight, expected departure and estimated arrival date. You are not asking
for permission. You're simply telling them the airplane is leaving their
jurisdiction area.
Dennis
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From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change
>
> Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also
> be useful to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area |
Robert:
There are some available hangars to rent here in Spruce Creek; which is
about five miles SW of Daytona.
Bill Mills keeps his CJ at Flagler County, which is 15 miles north of
Daytona. There are also several other airports both north and south of us.
Let us know if we can be of assistance. Will be glad to have you in the
area. We do a lot of formation flying down here.
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area |
Hi Robert,
I've got my CJ based at X47 (Flagler Beach), just north of Daytona.
We've got limited space currently, but there are some new hangars going
up.....as well as other projects. Ormond Beach is just south and may
have a few spots......otherwise, you might check New Smyrna.
Glad to hear that another CJ is coming to the area.
Bill Mills
Regional Sales Manager
Total Tec Systems
South East US
386 447 1118
bill.mills@totaltec.com
" Because I fly.... I envy no man "
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area
Hey everybody,
Anyone know of any available hanger space in the
Daytona beach, Fla. area? say within 50 miles? Need to
relocate the CJ6 prior to 1 Feb. 08 at the latest.
Thanks, Robert Starnes
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Phil,
When I brought my 50 from Kansas, all that was done was send a fax to the Ks
FSDO informing him that the plane was being relocated to 08A (Wetumpka).
Once it was here, I got a DAR to do my OL's so I would not have to wait
forever to get OL's from the FSDO. That made the transition quick.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Base Change
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
If the OL's that you have, which are most likely the last owner's OL's, I
would not recommend you contact your local (Beaumont) FSDO because they most
likely don't have a clue about relocating an airplane from one home base to
another. It could take you days to get whatever your local FSDO wants. The
reason for this recommendation is because the FSDO where the aircraft is
presently located has jurisdiction over that aircraft. Not Beaumont. When
you get to Beaumont, THEN the FSDO that has jurisdiction over Beaumont has
responsibility. Notify the FSDO where the current OL's were issued by FAX
telling them the aircraft is being relocated to Beaumont, the route of
flight, expected departure and estimated arrival date. You are not asking
for permission. You're simply telling them the airplane is leaving their
jurisdiction area.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change
>
> Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also
> be useful to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129191#129191
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics |
Thanks everyone - lots of great suggestions.
I ordered the Basic and Advanced Aerobatics books by Geza. I agree time with a
good instructor is a must and far better than a book - but since I can't always
be flying I figure the book can only enhance the time when I am with a good
instructor.
Now to find an acro instructor with Yak knowledge in the bay area...
Cheers,
Mark
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