---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/14/07: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Richard Goode) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (fougapilot) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics - Patty Wagstaff (Matt Reeves) 4. 05:17 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (John Alber) 5. 05:39 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Ira Saligman) 6. 06:06 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Scott Poehlmann) 7. 06:10 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jan Mevis) 8. 06:31 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Herb Coussons) 9. 06:41 AM - Base Change (PSalter@aol.com) 10. 08:03 AM - Re: Base Change (Herb Coussons) 11. 08:18 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jorgen Nielsen) 12. 08:21 AM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Jorgen Nielsen) 13. 09:52 AM - Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (Robert Starnes) 14. 10:19 AM - Re: Base Change (Scooter) 15. 01:59 PM - Re: Base Change (Lynn Allen) 16. 03:27 PM - Re: Base Change (Dale) 17. 03:58 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 04:47 PM - Re: Base Change (A. Dennis Savarese) 19. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Base Change (A. Dennis Savarese) 20. 07:47 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (FamilyGage@aol.com) 21. 07:49 PM - Re: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area (Bill Mills) 22. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Base Change (Roger Kemp) 23. 11:02 PM - Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics (Mark Scrivener) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Mark Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the following website link: http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 Skype: Richard.Goode www.russianaeros.com Mark Scrivener wrote: Hello Everyone, I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in it very soon. Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial flights I seem ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics From: "fougapilot" Mark, Keep an eye out for Sergei Boriak. He is a former World Aerobatic Champion, IAC coach. Sergei currently travels the USA as an airshow pilot (flying a Sukoi 31) and is a friend of the RPA. He has been offering his back seat services to anyone with a Yak/CJ. I personally flew with him last summer and loved my experience. A real eye opener. Books are good. I like Aerobatics by Neil Williams myself (ISBN 0 9504543 03). But nothing will replace having a highly experience instructor in your back seat when you do that first spin. www.sergeiboriak.com Check out Sergei's schedule. If he is in your neck of the woods he most likely find time for you. Be ready for a colorful individual. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129143#129143 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:52 AM PST US From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics - Patty Wagstaff Patty wrote a good book on aerobatics. I read it a few years ago and she is an awesome author. I think you can get it on her website. I also heard Sean Tucker's school of aerobatics is awesome. You can go out and get 10 hours of aerobatic training and be a safer pilot. I'm sure there are others which are good too. Would be a wise investment. Matt Richard Goode wrote: Mark Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the issue with the Yak-52 spinning suggest you read my article on the following website link: http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 Skype: Richard.Goode www.russianaeros.com Mark Scrivener wrote: Hello Everyone, I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in it very soon. Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial flights I seem --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:38 AM PST US From: John Alber Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Mark, There are any of good books on aerobatics. My favorites are those by Duane Cole and Bill Kirshner. Far more important is a thorough curriculum in recovery techniques for the Yak 52. It is a wonderful aircraft, with very benign and predictable qualities. But a Yak 52's qualities are different from those typical of aerobatic training aircraft, such as the Super Decathlon. Indeed, the 52 is different from its sibling the 50. It sounds as though you may appreciate this, but this bears repeating. Once you have thorough training in recoveries, you will be comfortable enough to buy the best aerobatic training resource: gasoline. By the way, even very experienced aerobatic instructors may be unfamiliar with the 52's recovery techniques, as some have learned to their detriment. You need an expert in the 52. I took my training from Gennady Elfimov in the UK, (and additional spin training (not Yak specific) from Rich Stowell, whom I recommend for a very disciplined introduction to aerobatics). Gena sometimes comes to the US to teach, and there are other Russian aircraft experts in the US as well. You'll find references to them on the Yak-list. Such type-specific training is invaluable and may be life-saving if you, like the rest of us, sometimes botch a hammerhead or Immelman. The 52 gives lots of warning of impending departures. Training will teach you to recognize and prevent or, if you've gone too far, to recover. It will teach you the necessity of safe altitudes (e.g., the best you'll be able to recover an upright flat spin in is about 1300 feet) and of correct recovery techniques (e.g., Beggs-Mueller is not effective in the 52, which has its own very specific techniques). Once you have that training, you will be comfortable trying almost any maneuver, because you will be confident both of yourself and of the utter predictability of the 52 when flown according to its requirements. John Alber John Alber john@johnalber.com 314-259-2144 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:58 AM PST US From: "Ira Saligman" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics The Yak is great for aerobatics at all levels. There are a number of great books, I had one by Mike Goulian and another by Neil Williams. http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aerobatics-Geza-Szurovy/dp/0070629315/ref=s r_1_2 /002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8 &s=books&qid=1187094751&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.com/Aerobatics-Neil-Williams/dp/0950454303/ref=sr_1_2 /002- 6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8 &s=books&qid=1187094824&sr=8-2 I have always found that flying with an instructor, in their aircraft or the YAK was very helpful. Even in their aircraft, you tend to see the same errors, many of which are natural, and they can show you what to look for in a dynamic environment. It looks more or less the same in the Yak. There are also a handful of instructors who are former Russian Yak pilots who come around for a week at a time and you can get some of the best training possible, everything from very slow loops to inverted flat spins. I wouldn't do these by myself but they are eye opening and dispel a lot of myths. Ira Saligman o 610 940 0420 c 610 324 5500 f 215 243 7699 isaligman@Saligman.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:43 AM PST US From: Scott Poehlmann Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Hi Mark, The best books on Aerobatics that I have used recently are Mike Goulian's _Basic Aerobatics_ and _Advanced Aerobatics_, and Alan Cassidy's _Better Aerobatics_. I don't know the print status of Goulian's books (they date from the mid-90's), but Alan's book can be had from his web page www.worldaerobatics.com. Alan has a lot of time in Russian aircraft and at least speaks to the differences. If you are really interested in learning aerobatics, a book won't cut it--you will really want to invest in some quality instruction. the IAC (www.iac.org) maintains a list of aerobatic schools, and I really would recommend getting some competent instruction before trying this sport. Good luck, Scott Mark Scrivener wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in it very soon. > > Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial flights I seem to find myself on). > > Can anyone recommend a good book on acro? One aimed at the Yak (or similar airplane) instead of a 150 or Citabria would be nice. Oh - my primary interest is having fun and not killing myself - so I want to know all the ways things can go wrong and how to recover. > > BTW - my "other" airplane is a Mooney 231 - which I have close to 1,000 hours in. Great airplane, but unless I have somewhere to go, I tend not to fly it. > > Thanks! > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129076#129076 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:38 AM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Thanks for the information, Richard !! Can you tell us why the original Russian harness is not good enough ? I use it all the time, also doing a lot of inverted stuff. It worked for the Russian aces in the 70ties and 80ties. What is wrong with it ? Jan _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: dinsdag 14 augustus 2007 12:48 Subject: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Mark Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the following website link: http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 Skype: Richard.Goode www.russianaeros.com Mark Scrivener wrote: Hello Everyone, I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in it very soon. Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial flights I seem ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:14 AM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics I would echo some of these comments. The book Basic Aerobatics is excellent. There is a follow up book called Advanced Aerobatics. I would recommend this book to be read with the first. Even though you may not intend on advanced or above, the book goes into some aerodynamic issues at the extremes of the envelope. (spinning, snaps, etc that it is very possible to wind up in the 52 unitentionally) Also I have spent 3 sessions with Sergei, and I have learned more with him in the backseat in one hour than I do on my own, with books and other pilots the whole rest of the year. This year we spent 2 hours on the ground discussing spins, inverted spins, and tumbles then 1:15 on the hobbs doing inverted spins and tumbles. then another hour and half on the ground with the debrief. I have the whole flight on my cockpit video - and you just cannot get what he puts in your brain from a book or most other pilots. I will put a few more books online when I get home and look through my collection. But I always go back to these and the old IAC publications form the 80's. Herb 52TW And new owner of N176FD - Yak 55M Trying to become previous owner of Wilga 35 N33ZV (anyone interested?) On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Ira Saligman wrote: > The Yak is great for aerobatics at all levels. There are a number > of great books, I had one by Mike Goulian and another by Neil > Williams. > > > http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aerobatics-Geza-Szurovy/dp/0070629315/ > ref=sr_1_2/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094751&sr=8-2 > > http://www.amazon.com/Aerobatics-Neil-Williams/dp/0950454303/ > ref=sr_1_2/002-6472493-8792040?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187094824&sr=8-2 > > > I have always found that flying with an instructor, in their > aircraft or the YAK was very helpful. Even in their aircraft, you > tend to see the same errors, many of which are natural, and they > can show you what to look for in a dynamic environment. It looks > more or less the same in the Yak. > > There are also a handful of instructors who are former Russian Yak > pilots who come around for a week at a time and you can get some of > the best training possible, everything from very slow loops to > inverted flat spins. I wouldn't do these by myself but they are > eye opening and dispel a lot of myths. > > > Ira Saligman > > o 610 940 0420 > c 610 324 5500 > f 215 243 7699 > > isaligman@Saligman.com > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:44 AM PST US From: PSalter@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Base Change I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California (RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my intentions? The paperwork is still in process from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old owner in California. Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated. Thanks Phil Salter http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:45 AM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Base Change If the bill of sale , application for registration and any lein release went to Oklahoma. Take your pink slip and the old operating limitations with you and then notify your FSDO in TX. They will ask for the old Operating limitations, copy of the pink slip, bill of sale, and program letter (perhaps you will and last 3 years tax returns ;) This is how i just moved a Yak 55 from PA to WI. And all seems to be going OK - no real headaches. Herb On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:41 AM, PSalter@aol.com wrote: > I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California > (RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything > goes well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). > My question is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in > California with my intentions? The paperwork is still in process > from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old owner > in California. > > Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated. > > Thanks > > Phil Salter > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:10 AM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics I was going to suggest this! Richard beat me to it. Remember most books use American engines / aircraft as examples, the Yaks prop turns the other way so you need to reverse the various prop effects when going through something in your mind. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: 14 August 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Mark Clearly the more information one can get, whether from books or anywhere else, the better, but aerobatics in the Yak-52 really should be learnt with an experienced aerobatic pilot on the type, particularly because of the issue with the Yak-52 spinning - suggest you read my article on the following website link: http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-52%20spinning.htm Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 Skype: Richard.Goode www.russianaeros.com Mark Scrivener wrote: Hello Everyone, I just bought into a partnership on a Yak 52 (N7092A - based at RHV). I'm still getting familiar with the airplane, but plan to start aerobatic instruction in it very soon. Since I don't have any formal aerobatic training (though I have done acro in the Yak with competent pilots), I thought a good book on the subject might help me get more from my instruction (and give me something to do on those long commercial flights I seem ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:13 AM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Agree with all this. Gena for example will not begin by teaching aerobatics per se, he will begin by teaching you how to handle the aircraft properly and at the edges of the envelope. He will teach how to recover the aircraft properly from any attitude. Then you ready to learn aeros. Have fun! It really is. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber Sent: 14 August 2007 02:15 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for good book on Aerobatics Mark, There are any of good books on aerobatics. My favorites are those by Duane Cole and Bill Kirshner. Far more important is a thorough curriculum in recovery techniques for the Yak 52. It is a wonderful aircraft, with very benign and predictable qualities. But a Yak 52's qualities are different from those typical of aerobatic training aircraft, such as the Super Decathlon. Indeed, the 52 is different from its sibling the 50. It sounds as though you may appreciate this, but this bears repeating. Once you have thorough training in recoveries, you will be comfortable enough to buy the best aerobatic training resource: gasoline. By the way, even very experienced aerobatic instructors may be unfamiliar with the 52's recovery techniques, as some have learned to their detriment. You need an expert in the 52. I took my training from Gennady Elfimov in the UK, (and additional spin training (not Yak specific) from Rich Stowell, whom I recommend for a very disciplined introduction to aerobatics). Gena sometimes comes to the US to teach, and there are other Russian aircraft experts in the US as well. You'll find references to them on the Yak-list. Such type-specific training is invaluable and may be life-saving if you, like the rest of us, sometimes botch a hammerhead or Immelman. The 52 gives lots of warning of impending departures. Training will teach you to recognize and prevent or, if you've gone too far, to recover. It will teach you the necessity of safe altitudes (e.g., the best you'll be able to recover an upright flat spin in is about 1300 feet) and of correct recovery techniques (e.g., Beggs-Mueller is not effective in the 52, which has its own very specific techniques). Once you have that training, you will be comfortable trying almost any maneuver, because you will be confident both of yourself and of the utter predictability of the 52 when flown according to its requirements. John Alber John Alber john@johnalber.com 314-259-2144 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:11 AM PST US From: Robert Starnes Subject: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area Hey everybody, Anyone know of any available hanger space in the Daytona beach, Fla. area? say within 50 miles? Need to relocate the CJ6 prior to 1 Feb. 08 at the latest. Thanks, Robert Starnes http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:46 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change From: "Scooter" Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also be useful to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129191#129191 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:31 PM PST US From: Lynn Allen Subject: Re: Yak-List: Base Change You might call the FSDO in Texas where you are going to base your A/C and ask them what they would like. Up here in Dallas, things are done different from things in Ft. Worth ;0) It makes them feel important and warm inside, plus you start on the right side with them. Lynn Herb Coussons wrote: If the bill of sale , application for registration and any lein release went to Oklahoma. Take your pink slip and the old operating limitations with you and then notify your FSDO in TX. They will ask for the old Operating limitations, copy of the pink slip, bill of sale, and program letter (perhaps you will and last 3 years tax returns ;) This is how i just moved a Yak 55 from PA to WI. And all seems to be going OK - no real headaches. Herb On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:41 AM, PSalter@aol.com wrote: I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California (RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my intentions? The paperwork is still in process from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old owner in California. Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated. Thanks Phil Salter --------------------------------- AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:09 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change From: "Dale" You should have had the owner request a flight outside of the 300 mile under his name so you could move it. I learned the hard way and my fsdo would not let me move it until all the paper work was finished on my end. Two Months later. Lucky for me the guy I bought it from let me keep it in his hangar for awhile. Dale Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129223#129223 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:18 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area There is none on our airpark (FD44) but try Palatka (28J). Beyond that there is nothing. Pappy http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:26 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Base Change Phil, Get the present/former owner to FAX his local FSDO with an intention to relocate the airplane to Beaumont. If you do it, it's going to cause you much pain. Then when you get to Beaumont, start the paperwork process with your local FSDO. Remember, you must absolutely have the hard copy of the Registration in your name before any FSDO inspector is going to process your application for Airworthiness Certificate and issue the Operating Limitations. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: PSalter@aol.com To: Yak-List@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Yak-List: Base Change I am preparing to move a Yak I purchased from Red Bluff, California (RBL) to Beaumont, Texas (BMT) this coming Friday if everything goes well. (1600 nautical miles and around 230 gallons of fuel). My question is, do I fax my FSDO in Texas or the local FSDO in California with my intentions? The paperwork is still in process from what I can see as the FAA database still shows the old owner in California. Any and all advice and words of wisdom are appreciated. Thanks Phil Salter ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:34 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Base Change If the OL's that you have, which are most likely the last owner's OL's, I would not recommend you contact your local (Beaumont) FSDO because they most likely don't have a clue about relocating an airplane from one home base to another. It could take you days to get whatever your local FSDO wants. The reason for this recommendation is because the FSDO where the aircraft is presently located has jurisdiction over that aircraft. Not Beaumont. When you get to Beaumont, THEN the FSDO that has jurisdiction over Beaumont has responsibility. Notify the FSDO where the current OL's were issued by FAX telling them the aircraft is being relocated to Beaumont, the route of flight, expected departure and estimated arrival date. You are not asking for permission. You're simply telling them the airplane is leaving their jurisdiction area. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scooter" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change > > Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also > be useful to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129191#129191 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:57 PM PST US From: FamilyGage@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area Robert: There are some available hangars to rent here in Spruce Creek; which is about five miles SW of Daytona. Bill Mills keeps his CJ at Flagler County, which is 15 miles north of Daytona. There are also several other airports both north and south of us. Let us know if we can be of assistance. Will be glad to have you in the area. We do a lot of formation flying down here. Ray Gage http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area From: "Bill Mills" Hi Robert, I've got my CJ based at X47 (Flagler Beach), just north of Daytona. We've got limited space currently, but there are some new hangars going up.....as well as other projects. Ormond Beach is just south and may have a few spots......otherwise, you might check New Smyrna. Glad to hear that another CJ is coming to the area. Bill Mills Regional Sales Manager Total Tec Systems South East US 386 447 1118 bill.mills@totaltec.com " Because I fly.... I envy no man " -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Starnes Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Yak-List: Help-Hanger needed @ Daytona beach area Hey everybody, Anyone know of any available hanger space in the Daytona beach, Fla. area? say within 50 miles? Need to relocate the CJ6 prior to 1 Feb. 08 at the latest. Thanks, Robert Starnes http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message and any documents accompanying this e-mail transmission contain proprietary information of Bell Microproducts or one or more of its subsidiaries, the contents of which may be legal ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:33 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Base Change Phil, When I brought my 50 from Kansas, all that was done was send a fax to the Ks FSDO informing him that the plane was being relocated to 08A (Wetumpka). Once it was here, I got a DAR to do my OL's so I would not have to wait forever to get OL's from the FSDO. That made the transition quick. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Base Change If the OL's that you have, which are most likely the last owner's OL's, I would not recommend you contact your local (Beaumont) FSDO because they most likely don't have a clue about relocating an airplane from one home base to another. It could take you days to get whatever your local FSDO wants. The reason for this recommendation is because the FSDO where the aircraft is presently located has jurisdiction over that aircraft. Not Beaumont. When you get to Beaumont, THEN the FSDO that has jurisdiction over Beaumont has responsibility. Notify the FSDO where the current OL's were issued by FAX telling them the aircraft is being relocated to Beaumont, the route of flight, expected departure and estimated arrival date. You are not asking for permission. You're simply telling them the airplane is leaving their jurisdiction area. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scooter" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Base Change > > Contact your destination FSDO and find out what they require. Might also > be useful to cover your bases by contacting departure FSDO. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129191#129191 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:33 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Looking for good book on Aerobatics From: "Mark Scrivener" Thanks everyone - lots of great suggestions. I ordered the Basic and Advanced Aerobatics books by Geza. I agree time with a good instructor is a must and far better than a book - but since I can't always be flying I figure the book can only enhance the time when I am with a good instructor. Now to find an acro instructor with Yak knowledge in the bay area... Cheers, Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129275#129275 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.