---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/23/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Herpa Flight Photos from Osh (Tyson V. Rininger) 2. 03:43 AM - Yaks and NADA-Yaks (Craig Payne) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh (Stephen Fox) 4. 06:08 AM - Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 (LawnDart) 5. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 (DaBear) 6. 06:20 AM - Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh (David McGirt) 7. 06:30 AM - Oil Additives (jandefinley@comcast.net) 8. 06:57 AM - Re: Facts mam, just the facts (DaBear) 9. 07:12 AM - Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh (Tim Gagnon) 10. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh (David McGirt) 11. 08:29 AM - Re: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? (Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering) 12. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 (Brian Lloyd) 13. 08:52 AM - Re: Facts mam, just the facts (Brian Lloyd) 14. 09:31 AM - Re: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? (Doug Sapp) 15. 11:54 AM - Marion Air Filter Base (Jimbo Shanks) 16. 12:11 PM - Any Yaks in W. Michigan? (Dave Laird) 17. 01:34 PM - Re: Any Yaks in W. Michigan? (me262pilot@comcast.net) 18. 01:52 PM - Mike Richardson (Steven A Johnson) 19. 02:16 PM - Re: Marion Air Filter Base (Dale) 20. 06:00 PM - Re: Marion Air Filter Base (Craig Payne) 21. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Marion Air Filter Base (Brian Lloyd) 22. 08:25 PM - AeroStars in action (David McGirt) 23. 08:35 PM - Re: Marion Air Filter Base (nc69666@aol.com) 24. 09:14 PM - Re: AeroStars in action (Jim Selby) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:23 AM PST US From: "Tyson V. Rininger" Subject: Yak-List: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Hey guys, Have a few pics edited from the Herpa flight at Oshkosh. Many thanks to Pumper, Pappy, David, and everyone else who helped out with the flight logistics. It was great meeting and seeing you all. http://www.tvrphotography.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=search&type=full&search=herpa One request I do have, does anyone have the contact info for the gentleman who won the bid for the DC-3's left seat? Need to get him a print of his choosing as promised. Thanks in advance! Tyson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:34 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Yaks and NADA-Yaks Ah, another round of history re-write, somehow, I knew that was going to happen. One thing I do remember from our discussions with Bushi Cheng is that the Chinese design team made the rounds of training bases and met with the PLAAF IP's. The IP's favored using something like the CJ-5/Yak-18's, but with improvements. Cheng also mentioned that the inventory of equipment they had was limited to the russian stuff, such as instruments, wheels, tires, etc. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:24 AM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Tyson- As always, great shots! POTUS On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:38 AM, Tyson V. Rininger wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > Have a few pics edited from the Herpa flight at Oshkosh. Many > thanks to Pumper, Pappy, David, and everyone else who helped out > with the flight logistics. It was great meeting and seeing you all. > > http://www.tvrphotography.com/gallery/thumbnails.php? > album=search&type=full&search=herpa > > One request I do have, does anyone have the contact info for the > gentleman who won the bid for the DC-3's left seat? Need to get > him a print of his choosing as promised. > > Thanks in advance! > Tyson > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:00 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 From: "LawnDart" [quote="cjpilot710(at)aol.com"] Its Not a Yak. [/quote] I have to chuckle a bit here. This issue of confusing CJs for Yaks if mostly your own (and your association's) doing. Back in the day when the association was in it's infancy I brought up the point of why do you call it the Yak Pilot's Assocation - answer from the top at that time "no one knows what a CJ is." Hmmm, I though one of the directives was to inform and educate the public, not misinform. And so we arrive today with this issue... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130453#130453 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:30 AM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 Oh and the Chinese government must be confused as well. Since the import documents of one of the CJ6A's I looked at purchasing a few years back had YAK-18 all over the documentation. But then again, that is just their government being confused. DaBear Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Aug 22, 2007, at 3:21 PM, viperdoc wrote: > >> >> Brian, >> Seems the Ukrainians are confused too. > > Why shouldn't they be? Why would they have more information than we > do? Certainly there was precious little love lost or information > transferred between the Chinese and the Soviets from about 1957 on. I > suspect they did no more research than anyone here (besides Pappy) did. > > You know, it is quite interesting that everyone wants to jump on the > bandwagon to support their position. They point to other people who > agree with them and say, "see!" That other people agree with you does > not support your position. That other people disagree with you does > not decrease the truth of your position. > > One thing I do know: I have looked at a Yak-18A and I have looked at a > CJ6A. I have looked at their various structures. They are *WAY* > different airplanes. In addition I have spoke with Bushi Cheng, the > designer of the CJ6A, who says that he did not copy the Yak-18A. OK, > maybe he was lying to me but my eyes tell me they are very different > aircraft. > > So, frankly, it does not matter what the Ukranians say. > > But I don't want anyone to take my word for it. I want people who > wonder to go look at the aircraft and make up their own minds. > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:06 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Thanks for sharing Tyson, it was great to have you with us David -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tyson V. Rininger Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:38 AM Subject: Yak-List: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Hey guys, Have a few pics edited from the Herpa flight at Oshkosh. Many thanks to Pumper, Pappy, David, and everyone else who helped out with the flight logistics. It was great meeting and seeing you all. http://www.tvrphotography.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=search&type=full& search=herpa One request I do have, does anyone have the contact info for the gentleman who won the bid for the DC-3's left seat? Need to get him a print of his choosing as promised. Thanks in advance! Tyson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:37 AM PST US From: jandefinley@comcast.net Subject: Yak-List: Oil Additives Just another thread on Oil Additives. What with mention of Avblend and Top lube, what happened to the great MMO discussion??? I now use Aeroshell 100W+. It seems to have all the qualities I need. John
Just another thread on Oil Additives. What with mention of Avblend and Top lube, what happened to the great MMO discussion???  I now use Aeroshell 100W+. It seems to have all the qualities I need.
John
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:27 AM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Facts mam, just the facts Brian Lloyd wrote: >> @damned.org> >> >> CJ6A a copy of the Yak-18A? Exact Copy No. CJ6A designed from >> scratch without influence? NO Chance > > Without influence? *NO* airplane is designed without influence of > other aircraft. Then it wasn't a "Clean" sheet of paper design. > >> Much improved on the Yak-18A design yes. It is much improved over >> the 18A. They changed the airfoil, used metal wings/tail instead of >> tube/fabric. The engine cowl design is not the only thing that used >> from the 18A. >> The CJ6A is a great airplane. The Chinese built a great airplane. >> However, they didn't design it from scratch. > > Then Bushi Cheng stood up and lied to us because he stated very > emphatically that they started with a clean sheet of paper. We asked > the question. Sure he had seen a Yak-18 as the Yak-18 and CJ-5 were > the same aircraft. He may have seen a Yak-18A. But the Yak-18 and > Yak-18A were definitely not the same aircraft, the CJ-5 and CJ-6A are > not the same aircraft, and the Yak-18A and CJ6A are not the same > aircraft. Yes, and I don't like to be lied to. Bushi Cheng stated very emphatically that they started with a clean sheet of paper. He also stated that he didn't see the Yak18A in Russia until after he designed the airplane. I'm saying that is impossible that they designed the aircraft from scratch (CLEAN sheet of paper). Why is the wing bent in the same location as the Yak18? Why isn't the wing strait, all the way out? Why is the cowl design the same? Why is the nose gear and shimmy damper the same? Why is the antenna in the exact same place and shape? Why is the oil cooler system the same layout? Why is the cockpit layout very similar? Why is the step on the wing the same? Why is the landing light the same? Why are the gills the same as the Yak-18A yet not like the Yak-18/CJ5? I could go on.... Copy, no. Close, eh maybe. But they certainly took the Yak-18A basic design and improved the hell out of it. And they certainly didn't design it from a clean sheet of paper. Again, I don't like to be lied to. What I don't understand is why people think it takes away from the CJ6A? It doesn't. The airplane stands on its own because it survived and the other airplanes didn't. What other airplane design has been manufactured for over 47 years? It is a great airplane, but the designer(s) didn't do it on their own, with no influence from other aircraft. And that is what Bush Cheng stated when he said he didn't see the Yak-18A prior to his design and that he did it from a clean sheet of paper. Actually one thing I wish they had taken from the Yak-18A was the ability to open the sides of the airplane and work on it. It would be SOOOO much easier to work on the systems that way. DaBear ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:37 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh From: "Tim Gagnon" Not a -50 in the bunch! But still cool pics...lots of small cool airplanes with a big cool one! There were at least two up there....where were you guys TJ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130478#130478 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:08 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Strangely, none of the 50's wanted to fly in the show during OSH, but we were glad to have them all there David -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Herpa Flight Photos from Osh Not a -50 in the bunch! But still cool pics...lots of small cool airplanes with a big cool one! There were at least two up there....where were you guys TJ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130478#130478 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:02 AM PST US From: "Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? For all those who may be interested, I have found a supplier metric 'dural aluminium' tubing for Yak's. I have around 50 metres of the 6mm O.D. air line in stock, available in lengths up to 3.5m. I don't as yet have a good supplier for the end fittings but do have some of these available if necessary. Contact me off list for info. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 825 975 Mob: +44 7866 438 293 _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PSalter@aol.com Sent: 11 February 2007 23:32 Subject: Yak-List: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? I spent hours Friday searching for metric aluminum tubing to replace damaged tubing connecting the main air valve, terminating at the aft bulkhead next to the rear seat. I bought a roll of 1/4" copper tube and decided to resize and use the metric fittings from my old air line. I tried a few different methods of shrinking the tube with poor results. I decided to tie one end of the copper to my trailer hitch and the other to a come-a-long attached to another vehicle. I stretched the tube and checked the diameter with a micrometer until I had the desired diameter. My shade tree engineering worked better than I hoped for. I replaced the damaged tubing with the newly sized copper used the original fittings and went flying. I was told 1/4" tubing (un-stretched) is good for 4000 psi. I am guessing if I lose half the strength in the stretching process, I still have a safety factor of around 2. Are there any reasons why I shouldn't use copper? Phil N700HS CJ6A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:25 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yaks at Sun-N-Fun 2005 On Aug 23, 2007, at 6:15 AM, DaBear wrote: > > Oh and the Chinese government must be confused as well. Since the > import documents of one of the CJ6A's I looked at purchasing a few > years back had YAK-18 all over the documentation. But then again, > that is just their government being confused. And why should their government be any different than our government? Is it not the normal state for government bureaucracies to be confused? And their bureaucracy does not have the checks-and-balances that ours does (no elected officials looking to get re-elected to go bash the bureaucrats in exchange for your vote). I would think it more likely that the government officials found it much easier to refer to all the trainers as Yak-18A than to come up with completely different paperwork. After all, they looked the same to the bureaucrat so why make more work? The pilots and mechanics still did the right thing regardless of the printing on the paper. ;-) But who did what to whom and who wrote what when is not the real issue. The real issue is whether or not one aircraft is a copy of the other. All I can say is that, if you walk up to both aircraft you will see so many substantial differences that you cannot help but conclude that they are different airplanes. I have done so as has Pappy, Craig Payne, and a couple of other people (I forget who all was there at OSH that year -- it may have been the year that Bushi Cheng was there). It was *VERY* clear that the Yak-18A and the CJ6A were *VERY* different airplanes. On that basis and that basis alone I claim that it is not reasonable to claim that the CJ6A is a Yak-18A. So, we have seen it with our own eyes and are not relying on anyone's (questionable) second-hand information. All I suggest is that the rest of you do the same and *THEN* make your own decision. BTW, this seems to be a problem with some people who populate this list. They tend to side with this person or that person without every bothering to check the facts. And, no, pointing to one site on the Internet does not constitute checking facts as anyone can publish anything regardless of accuracy. (OTOH, looking up many disparate sources on the Internet can be a valuable adjunct to proper research.) Oh, and I am doing some real research into lubricating oils to try to determine what I think the inlet and outlet oil temperature limits should be for our engines. I will satisfy myself and I will present the information here for your use. The purpose will be to provide information from which you can draw your own conclusions. You will be free to use or discard the information as you see fit. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:17 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Facts mam, just the facts On Aug 23, 2007, at 6:56 AM, DaBear wrote: > > Brian Lloyd wrote: >>> @damned.org> >>> >>> CJ6A a copy of the Yak-18A? Exact Copy No. CJ6A designed from >>> scratch without influence? NO Chance >> >> Without influence? *NO* airplane is designed without influence of >> other aircraft. > Then it wasn't a "Clean" sheet of paper design. Sure it was. Clean-sheet means that you start drawing from a blank sheet of paper and not start by copying any particular part of the other aircraft. Certainly they had some constraints. They were using the existing instruments, pneumatic components, avionics, and cockpit layout. They were seeking very similar performance and handling characteristics. They were presented with similar engines. There were going to be great similarities as a result. Here is an analogy. Given a set of market requirements, features, and a price point, go design a car. I don't think that Ford and GM copy each other but, damn, their cars are an awful lot alike at any give price point. And I suspect that they too start with a clean sheet with the exception that they perhaps decide to reuse certain subassemblies like engines, drive trains, etc. >>> Much improved on the Yak-18A design yes. It is much improved >>> over the 18A. They changed the airfoil, used metal wings/tail >>> instead of tube/fabric. The engine cowl design is not the only >>> thing that used from the 18A. >>> The CJ6A is a great airplane. The Chinese built a great >>> airplane. However, they didn't design it from scratch. >> >> Then Bushi Cheng stood up and lied to us because he stated very >> emphatically that they started with a clean sheet of paper. We >> asked the question. Sure he had seen a Yak-18 as the Yak-18 and >> CJ-5 were the same aircraft. He may have seen a Yak-18A. But the >> Yak-18 and Yak-18A were definitely not the same aircraft, the CJ-5 >> and CJ-6A are not the same aircraft, and the Yak-18A and CJ6A are >> not the same aircraft. > Yes, and I don't like to be lied to. > Bushi Cheng stated very emphatically that they started with a clean > sheet of paper. He also stated that he didn't see the Yak18A in > Russia until after he designed the airplane. > I'm saying that is impossible that they designed the aircraft from > scratch (CLEAN sheet of paper). Why is the wing bent in the same > location as the Yak18? If you decide to use a single straight spar section to which to attach the gear, you are going to get a similar structure if you still want dihedral. > Why isn't the wing strait, all the way out? Because you want dihedral to give the airplane more static stability. After all, it is a trainer and you are going to teach newbies to fly in it. Stability is a very desirable trait in a trainer as is the ability to withstand students "dropping it in" from 15 feet. That gear and the spar it is attached to needs to be hell-for-strong. The single straight spar carry through is both very simple and very strong. > Why is the cowl design the same? It is wrapped around an engine with the same dimensions. > Why is the nose gear and shimmy damper the same? They already had them in stock and used them. There is no doubt that the Yak-18A flew in China. There is also no doubt that the CJ6A did not actually enter the inventory until something like 1963. By then they may have decided to modify the design to use the same nose gear assembly so as to reduce their spares requirements. > Why is the antenna in the exact same place and shape? Antenna placement is a function of performance. It would not have the same radiation pattern elsewhere. Or it could have been simpler than that: it just looked OK there and they could use the same fittings and wiring. > Why is the oil cooler system the same layout? Because they use the same oil cooler? Ever looked inside a spam can? There are a LOT of spam cans from different manufacturers who put the same oil cooler in the same place on different different airplanes from different manufacturers. Is that a copy? > Why is the cockpit layout very similar? Standardization. The cockpits of the eastern bloc aircraft are all very similar right up through the modern-day jets. > Why is the step on the wing the same? Because people get up on the wing there and they had some left in stock. > Why is the landing light the same? Because they had them in stock. > Why are the gills the same as the Yak-18A yet not like the Yak-18/CJ5? Because it is a different engine. > I could go on.... Copy, no. Close, eh maybe. But they certainly > took the Yak-18A basic design and improved the hell out of it. And > they certainly didn't design it from a clean sheet of paper. > Again, I don't like to be lied to. You can start with a clean sheet but still use a lot of components you have in stock. > What I don't understand is why people think it takes away from the > CJ6A? It doesn't. The airplane stands on its own because it > survived and the other airplanes didn't. What other airplane > design has been manufactured for over 47 years? It is a great > airplane, but the designer(s) didn't do it on their own, with no > influence from other aircraft. And that is what Bush Cheng stated > when he said he didn't see the Yak-18A prior to his design and that > he did it from a clean sheet of paper. In 1957 it is possible that he hadn't. > Actually one thing I wish they had taken from the Yak-18A was the > ability to open the sides of the airplane and work on it. It would > be SOOOO much easier to work on the systems that way. You can't do that with a monocoque structure as the skin carries the loads. If you build a steel frame skeleton the skins carry no load so you can take them off without any effect on the structure. Oh, there is a major structural difference between the aircraft! Do you remember the baggage door on Betty? Bushi looked at it and advised me that the structure might be compromised. He looked at all the additional structure that had been put in to carry the loads around the door and decided that it might be good enough but that does point out a problem with monocoque construction. I have now had several people question the veracity of Bushi Cheng. I found him to be a delightful, intelligent, learned person in the area of aviation and aerodynamics. He has all sorts of credentials for the design of much larger and more complex aircraft than the CJ6A. I certainly can see no reason why he should lie about that. Also, give Pappy some credit for his search for the designer. Remember, the people who pointed him to Bushi Cheng probably garnered no benefit from doing so. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:09 AM PST US From: Doug Sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? To all: Hey guys I have several CJ6's here which I am parting out. Two of them are very late model, brand new, *never flown aircraft* which were damaged in a trucking accident while being transported from the port. The third is a 1969 CJ6. So if you need a piece of CJ6 tubing or fittings give me a call, no reason to attempt reinvent the wheel and end up with something which may be less than safe. My inventory is now to the point where I can supply most any part for the CJ6, parts are my business. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering wrote: > For all those who may be interested, I have found a supplier metric > 'dural aluminium' tubing for Yak's. I have around 50 metres of the 6mm > O.D. air line in stock, available in lengths up to 3.5m. > > I don't as yet have a good supplier for the end fittings but do have > some of these available if necessary. > > > > Contact me off list for info. > > > > Regards > > > > Rob Kent > > Stores Manager > > WLAC - Russian Engineering > > www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk > > > > Tel: +44 1628 829 165 > > Fax: +44 1628 825 975 > > Mob: +44 7866 438 293 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *PSalter@aol.com > *Sent:* 11 February 2007 23:32 > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Yak-List: Copper Tubing For Replacement Air Line??? > > > > > > > > I spent hours Friday searching for metric aluminum tubing to replace > damaged tubing connecting the main air valve, terminating at the aft > bulkhead next to the rear seat. I bought a roll of 1/4" copper tube > and decided to resize and use the metric fittings from my old air > line. I tried a few different methods of shrinking the tube with poor > results. I decided to tie one end of the copper to my trailer hitch > and the other to a come-a-long attached to another vehicle. I > stretched the tube and checked the diameter with a micrometer until I > had the desired diameter. My shade tree engineering worked better than > I hoped for. I replaced the damaged tubing with the newly sized copper > used the original fittings and went flying. I was told 1/4" tubing > (un-stretched) is good for 4000 psi. I am guessing if I lose half the > strength in the stretching process, I still have a safety factor of > around 2. Are there any reasons why I shouldn't use copper? > > > > Phil > > N700HS CJ6A > >* * > >* * > >** > >** > >** > >** > >** > >** > >* * > >* > > >* > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:36 AM PST US From: "Jimbo Shanks" Subject: Yak-List: Marion Air Filter Base Does anyone know of a firewall-mount base for the Marion S-28 MG oil filter? Also any benefit of going with an ADC or Airwolf? Thanks. Jim Shanks shankeroid@verizon.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:57 PM PST US From: Dave Laird Subject: Yak-List: Any Yaks in W. Michigan? I'm going to be up in Michigan the week after Labor Day and was wondering if there are any Yakkers/CJer's around Grand Rapids? Or up near Traverse City? Dave Laird N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty" Dallas (ADS) "When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it." - Henry Ford ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:59 PM PST US From: me262pilot@comcast.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Any Yaks in W. Michigan? If you come a little east there are. Toward Flint (FNT). -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dave Laird > > I'm going to be up in Michigan the week after Labor Day and was > wondering if there are > any Yakkers/CJer's around Grand Rapids? Or up near Traverse City? > > > Dave Laird > N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty" > Dallas (ADS) > > "When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the > airplane takes off against the wind, not with it." - Henry Ford > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:43 PM PST US From: "Steven A Johnson" Subject: Yak-List: Mike Richardson Does anyone have contact information for Mike Richardson? Steve Johnson Yak 52, N9900X 0B5, MA 413 522-1130 Cell ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:37 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marion Air Filter Base From: "Dale" I installed a Airwolf filter on my 52, Airwolf has the photo's of the install I did and the modifications to the oil system to make it fit. Airwolf will explain why a filter is better than a screen and the benefits. Filter install should be on the outlet side of the engine so that hot oil flows through the filter and then filtered oil on to the cooler. I had to make two fittngs and hoses. The photo's are self explaining. Works great. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=130601#130601 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marion Air Filter Base I sell a Marion-compatible base as well as 10 micron paper elements. My base sells for 1/10 the price of the Air Wolf but does not come with a cute animal decal. Still working that angle so I can raise my prices :>) See it on my website: http://home.joimail.com/~cpayne1/ Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:07 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Marion Air Filter Base On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Craig Payne wrote: > > I sell a Marion-compatible base as well as 10 micron paper > elements. My base sells for 1/10 the price of the Air Wolf but does > not come with a cute animal decal. Still working that angle so I > can raise my prices :>) See it on my website: http:// > home.joimail.com/~cpayne1/ I'm thinking that a buzzard or a Dodo would be nice and in keeping with the use of the product. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:57 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: Yak-List: AeroStars in action I am probably slow, but a good RV guy sent this great video to me: Looking great guys.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN2WlS-VjMo David ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marion Air Filter Base From: nc69666@aol.com Contact Bill Blackwell at Deer Valley on Phoenix,, He has been using them for several years...? Gary Gabbard? CJ N22YK...??? I have had one on mine for several years... -----Original Message----- From: Jimbo Shanks Sent: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:53 am Subject: Yak-List: Marion Air Filter Base ??? Does anyone know of a firewall-mount base for the Marion S-28 MG oil filter?? Also any benefit of going with an ADC or Airwolf?? Thanks. ? Jim Shanks shankeroid@verizon.net ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:49 PM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: AeroStars in action AWSOME VIDEO ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McGirt" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Yak-List: AeroStars in action > > I am probably slow, but a good RV guy sent this great video to me: > > Looking great guys.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN2WlS-VjMo > > David > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.