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1. 03:12 AM - Yak 55m (Nick Pilbrow)
2. 06:27 AM - Re: Flap storage (Michael Bolton)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Flap storage (Stephen Fox)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Flap storage (Bill Tally)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Yak 55m (Joe Howse)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Flap storage (Joe Howse)
7. 07:48 AM - Fw: Re: Yak (Jerry Painter)
8. 07:48 AM - flap storage (Joe Howse)
9. 08:24 AM - Re: flap storage (Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering)
10. 09:00 AM - Re: flap storage (Walter Lannon)
11. 09:45 AM - Re: Flap storage (Bill Tally)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Yak 55m (Doug Sapp)
13. 10:07 AM - Engine Monitoring (DaBear)
14. 10:21 AM - Re: Engine Monitoring (fougapilot)
15. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Flap storage (Roger Kemp)
16. 02:09 PM - Nuts! tire for sale. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
17. 06:41 PM - Chicago area accident? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 07:11 PM - Re: Chicago area accident? (Craig Schneider)
19. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Engine Monitoring (Roger Kemp)
20. 09:11 PM - Re: Chicago area accident? (Roger Baker)
21. 10:55 PM - Re: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F (Genzlinger, Reade)
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Hi
I am writing this email on the off chance you could help me. I'm am
importing a Yak 55m in to Christchurch New Zealand . The plane is
based in Hillsboro, OR USA. I am having a lot of difficulty in finding
a suitable engineer to pull the plane apart and put it in the
container well enough to survive the 8000 mile trip to New Zealand.
Would you be able to help, or put me in touch with some one who can?
Thank you very much for your time.
Nick Pilbrow
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
Glad to see that I am not alone in this Club
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Hans Oortman 1 wrote:
>
>> John. Ref Pappys comment:
>>
>>
>>
>> Especially the bold part by looking at it is important.I knowI found
>> out the hard way
>
> It is funny how so many people have made the same mistake of thinking
> they are raising the flaps and instead raise the gear. You would think
> that, since there are nowhere near each other, this failure mode would be
> infrequent but for some reason it is not. The best insurance is to ensure
> that you slide the gear-lock slide in place as soon as you place the gear
> lever in the down position regardless of the reason.
>
> (I *KNOW* that religious use of the gear slide-lock *WILL* save your
> airplane's belly. Please do not ask me how I know this.)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
Bill Blackwell sells a gear knob in bright red that says GEAR on it.
Fits both Yaks and CJs. It will not relieve you of your duty to
stop, think and look, but it is one extra reminder.
Steve
On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Michael Bolton wrote:
>
> Glad to see that I am not alone in this Club
>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd"
> <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Hans Oortman 1 wrote:
>>
>>> John. Ref Pappy=92s comment:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Especially the bold part =93by looking at it=94 is important=85.I
know=85
>>> I found out the hard way=85
>>
>> It is funny how so many people have made the same mistake of
>> thinking they are raising the flaps and instead raise the gear.
>> You would think that, since there are nowhere near each other,
>> this failure mode would be infrequent but for some reason it is
>> not. The best insurance is to ensure that you slide the gear-lock
>> slide in place as soon as you place the gear lever in the down
>> position regardless of the reason.
>>
>> (I *KNOW* that religious use of the gear slide-lock *WILL* save
>> your airplane's belly. Please do not ask me how I know this.)
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
>> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
>> things . . .
>> =97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry
>>
>> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
>> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A
>> 1B6C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
Walt, a careful reading of your first post shows you were referring to CJ's. It
appears that Yaks have the locks and and CJ's don't. So, you really don't need
any correcting!
The discussion of ball locks brings up another topic: The presence of the ball
locks in the Yak flaps has led many to question why the Russian flight manual
forbids tail slides. If the flaps are in fact locked, what is the reason for
that prohibition? Is it because of potential flap damage or for some other reason?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136529#136529
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Nick
Try Shane, at vintageaircraft@yahoo.com
He is located in Aurora Oregon, very close to Hillsboro.
Very knowlegable with the Nanchangs and probably with Yaks.
Joe Howse
----- posted by: "Nick Pilbrow" <nickpilbrow@gmail.com>
>
> Hi
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
I agree with Walt, my CJ6 overhaul manual clearly shows the flap actuator
with no ball locks, page 26-1 chapter 26
I assume the CJ6 and the 52 have different actuators.
Joe
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Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap
Joe
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The CJ6 will have completely different actuators to the Yk-52. The Yk-52 has
two flaps controlled by one actuator. The Yk-18T and the CJ6 have the one
large 'barn door' flap across the wing centre section. The Yk-18T also has
the bungees on the flap, I suspect, similar to the CJ6. The actuator for the
Yk-52 flap is a double-ended actuator with the shaft protruding from both
ends. The Yk-18T (not sure about the CJ6) has two small actuators for the
one flap.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 825 975
Mob: +44 7866 438 293
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Howse
Sent: 26 September 2007 15:46
Subject: Yak-List: flap storage
Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: flap storage |
Ahh So!!! Thanks Rob.
Seems the 52 flap actuator is a totally different animal. "two flaps
controlled by one actuator".
I could not see a need for the ball lock in the CJ actuator (there is
none) and assumed (bad idea but I am regularly guilty) this applied to
other models.
So here we go again - I will suggest that other models with a single
piece flap are the same as the CJ and will hazard a guess that the
reason for the ball lock in the 52 is to prevent a split flap condition.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: flap storage
The CJ6 will have completely different actuators to the Yk-52. The
Yk-52 has two flaps controlled by one actuator. The Yk-18T and the CJ6
have the one large 'barn door' flap across the wing centre section. The
Yk-18T also has the bungees on the flap, I suspect, similar to the CJ6.
The actuator for the Yk-52 flap is a double-ended actuator with the
shaft protruding from both ends. The Yk-18T (not sure about the CJ6) has
two small actuators for the one flap.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 825 975
Mob: +44 7866 438 293
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Howse
Sent: 26 September 2007 15:46
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: flap storage
Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
The way the Yak 52 flap system works, a split flap condition is impossible unless
a component actually breaks (unlikely considering the strength of construction).
Flaps on both sides are both connected to a common piston rod which has
to be either in the up or down position. Ingenious and dirt simple.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136569#136569
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Nick,
Try Shane Weese of Vintage Aircraft, phone +503-678-6887, email
vintageaircraft@yahoo.com Shane is located at Aurora OR., just about 20
south of Hillsboro. Shane maintains several Yaks and CJ's and would be
my choice if I were doing the job.
Good luck.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Pilbrow wrote:
>
>Hi
>
>I am writing this email on the off chance you could help me. I'm am
>importing a Yak 55m in to Christchurch New Zealand . The plane is
>based in Hillsboro, OR USA. I am having a lot of difficulty in finding
>a suitable engineer to pull the plane apart and put it in the
>container well enough to survive the 8000 mile trip to New Zealand.
>Would you be able to help, or put me in touch with some one who can?
>
>Thank you very much for your time.
>
>Nick Pilbrow
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Monitoring |
Anyone hear an update from Dynon on their support for our radial
engines? Last I checked they only supported 4-6 cyl engines. Is anyone
using a graphical engine analyzer for their Yak or CJ?
Dabear
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Monitoring |
Spoke to the owner of Dynon in OSH last summer. It is true that he owns a Nurphy
Rebel with a radial engine in it, however he has no plans to come up with an
engine monitoring system that will work on 9 cyl engines.
Such is life.
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136580#136580
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| Subject: | Re: Flap storage |
Flat spin maybe.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Tally
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage
Walt, a careful reading of your first post shows you were referring to CJ's.
It appears that Yaks have the locks and and CJ's don't. So, you really
don't need any correcting!
The discussion of ball locks brings up another topic: The presence of the
ball locks in the Yak flaps has led many to question why the Russian flight
manual forbids tail slides. If the flaps are in fact locked, what is the
reason for that prohibition? Is it because of potential flap damage or for
some other reason?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136529#136529
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| Subject: | Nuts! tire for sale. |
I've been home a week from flying the B-24. I never get tired of flying
this plane. Everyday something significant happens. Most of the time its the
people and their actions brought on by these airplanes. The very last day
out, I was a little tired cause I had just helped our mechanic change a
exhaust pipe on the #2 engine. (Unlike the M-14p or HS-6 the P&W 1830 on the
B-24
requires damn near total disassembly to get to one section of pipe.) Than
a lady (my age) asked if she could sit in the cockpit. Her father had been a
pilot in one. We have a policy that anyone in cockpit has to be
accompanied. We were about to close up for the day, I was tired, but you know
me guys,
- - - any thing for a lady.
She climbed into the left seat, sat there for about 10 second, and totally
broke down. "Oh, my God" "Daddy, I am here". I let her sit there quite
awhile. After awhile she got herself composed, apologized, and I helped her get
out of the cockpit. She explained that her father had passed away sometime
ago and she just had to see the airplane he had told her so many stories
about, as his daughter. She said she didn't think that would have effected her
so, until she sat where he had sat.
I've been puttering around the house cleaning up since I'd been gone over
four weeks. Sitting in the hangar has been a nose wheel tire from Aircraft
Spruce, I had ordered just before leaving for the above trip. I finally got
around to opening it up and put on the rim, when I noted, that it was larger
than the tire I was replacing. I didn't even put air in it. Hmmmmm Let see,
I
ordered a 6.00x6. Yes this was a 6.00x6 BUT a 28x6.00x6. Hmmmm Will it fit?
Most definitely NO. Hmmmm I want a 15x6.00x6. So I call Aircraft Spruce
to arrange for an exchange. BUT I made the mistake during the chit-chat, of
telling the gal, I had put the tire on the rim before I had notice it was
wrong. Guess what? They will not accept a return tire if it has been on the
rim, EVEN IF YOU DID NOT INFLATE IT OR REMOVE ANY OF THE TAGS. They thanked me
for being honest ($135.00 worth) but they could not help me.
If I had kept my mouth shut I wouldn't have a 8 ply, 28 x 6.00 x 6 Goodyear
Flight Custom III, for sale in my hangar. Anyone interested?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Chicago area accident? |
Troops
I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around Chicago
area??
Pappy
______________________________________________________________________________
_________
I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed near
Chicago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the Red Star community
and if you get confirmation, let me know. This is something the RPA needs to
be on top of, if its true.
Alan
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yakpilot@bellsouth.net writes:
Alan,
Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Jim
Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois?
Alan
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| Subject: | Chicago area accident? |
Chicago area pilot killed in Ohio while on an Angel Flight
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ap-il-smallplanecrash,0,
1304380.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Wed 9/26/2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Chicago area accident?
Troops
I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around Chicago ar
ea??
Pappy
___________________________________________________________________________
____________
I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed near Chi
cago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the Red Star communit
y and if you get confirmation, let me know. This is something the RPA need
s to be on top of, if its true.
Alan
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakpilot@
bellsouth.net writes:
Alan,
Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Jim
Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois?
Alan
See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Monitoring |
JP instruments makes a 9 cylinder monitor. I do not have any experience with
it though.
Not sure what I would know what to do it the 1st through 3rd cylinder head
temp exceeded 200 C bumping into the Red while #4 read 180 C.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fougapilot
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Engine Monitoring
Spoke to the owner of Dynon in OSH last summer. It is true that he owns a
Nurphy Rebel with a radial engine in it, however he has no plans to come up
with an engine monitoring system that will work on 9 cyl engines.
Such is life.
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136580#136580
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| Subject: | Re: Chicago area accident? |
Happened at Crystal Lake airport. Loss of power on t/o. Two fatal.
Owner taking Flight Review in front pit; IP in rear pit. IP was
Academy grad, full career fighter pilot. MiG 17 airshow pilot, did
lots of GA instructing apparently. Both had flown this particular
airplane a lot. The owner had the airplane for some 4 years before
the accident.
Roger
Baker__________________________________________________________________
On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:39 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Troops
>
> I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around
> Chicago area??
>
> Pappy
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _________________
>
> I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed
> near Chicago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the
> Red Star community and if you get confirmation, let me know. This
> is something the RPA needs to be on top of, if its true.
>
> Alan
>
> -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com:
> --------------
>
> In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> yakpilot@bellsouth.net writes:
>
>
> Alan,
>
> Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
> Jim
> Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois?
> Alan
>
>
> See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F |
Dennis:
Question re: 8130 and Op Lim Letter issued in 1990 -
Would an aircraft (e.g. Harvard Mark IV) that was issued its
airworthiness cert. and operation limit letter in the exhibition/show
category in 1990 be subject to the 300/600 mile proficiency area? There
is nothing in the letter relating to this at all. In fact it is the
most unencumbered OL that I have seen. I realize this may be a mute
point with the issuance of the 9-11-07 FAA memo but I am curious as to
what is required to re-register such an aircraft as I believe the rules
were different in 1990.
Reade
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com
215.914.0370
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
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