---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/26/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:12 AM - Yak 55m (Nick Pilbrow) 2. 06:27 AM - Re: Flap storage (Michael Bolton) 3. 06:49 AM - Re: Flap storage (Stephen Fox) 4. 06:58 AM - Re: Flap storage (Bill Tally) 5. 07:10 AM - Re: Yak 55m (Joe Howse) 6. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Flap storage (Joe Howse) 7. 07:48 AM - Fw: Re: Yak (Jerry Painter) 8. 07:48 AM - flap storage (Joe Howse) 9. 08:24 AM - Re: flap storage (Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering) 10. 09:00 AM - Re: flap storage (Walter Lannon) 11. 09:45 AM - Re: Flap storage (Bill Tally) 12. 09:59 AM - Re: Yak 55m (Doug Sapp) 13. 10:07 AM - Engine Monitoring (DaBear) 14. 10:21 AM - Re: Engine Monitoring (fougapilot) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Flap storage (Roger Kemp) 16. 02:09 PM - Nuts! tire for sale. (cjpilot710@aol.com) 17. 06:41 PM - Chicago area accident? (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 07:11 PM - Re: Chicago area accident? (Craig Schneider) 19. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Engine Monitoring (Roger Kemp) 20. 09:11 PM - Re: Chicago area accident? (Roger Baker) 21. 10:55 PM - Re: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F (Genzlinger, Reade) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:08 AM PST US From: "Nick Pilbrow" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55m Hi I am writing this email on the off chance you could help me. I'm am importing a Yak 55m in to Christchurch New Zealand . The plane is based in Hillsboro, OR USA. I am having a lot of difficulty in finding a suitable engineer to pull the plane apart and put it in the container well enough to survive the 8000 mile trip to New Zealand. Would you be able to help, or put me in touch with some one who can? Thank you very much for your time. Nick Pilbrow ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:26 AM PST US From: "Michael Bolton" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage Glad to see that I am not alone in this Club Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage > > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Hans Oortman 1 wrote: > >> John. Ref Pappys comment: >> >> >> >> Especially the bold part by looking at it is important.I knowI found >> out the hard way > > It is funny how so many people have made the same mistake of thinking > they are raising the flaps and instead raise the gear. You would think > that, since there are nowhere near each other, this failure mode would be > infrequent but for some reason it is not. The best insurance is to ensure > that you slide the gear-lock slide in place as soon as you place the gear > lever in the down position regardless of the reason. > > (I *KNOW* that religious use of the gear slide-lock *WILL* save your > airplane's belly. Please do not ask me how I know this.) > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:03 AM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage Bill Blackwell sells a gear knob in bright red that says GEAR on it. Fits both Yaks and CJs. It will not relieve you of your duty to stop, think and look, but it is one extra reminder. Steve On Sep 26, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Michael Bolton wrote: > > Glad to see that I am not alone in this Club > > Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flap storage > > >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Hans Oortman 1 wrote: >> >>> John. Ref Pappy=92s comment: >>> >>> >>> >>> Especially the bold part =93by looking at it=94 is important=85.I know=85 >>> I found out the hard way=85 >> >> It is funny how so many people have made the same mistake of >> thinking they are raising the flaps and instead raise the gear. >> You would think that, since there are nowhere near each other, >> this failure mode would be infrequent but for some reason it is >> not. The best insurance is to ensure that you slide the gear-lock >> slide in place as soon as you place the gear lever in the down >> position regardless of the reason. >> >> (I *KNOW* that religious use of the gear slide-lock *WILL* save >> your airplane's belly. Please do not ask me how I know this.) >> >> -- >> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive >> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 >> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) >> >> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty >> things . . . >> =97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry >> >> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C >> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A >> 1B6C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:24 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage From: "Bill Tally" Walt, a careful reading of your first post shows you were referring to CJ's. It appears that Yaks have the locks and and CJ's don't. So, you really don't need any correcting! The discussion of ball locks brings up another topic: The presence of the ball locks in the Yak flaps has led many to question why the Russian flight manual forbids tail slides. If the flaps are in fact locked, what is the reason for that prohibition? Is it because of potential flap damage or for some other reason? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136529#136529 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:20 AM PST US From: Joe Howse Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55m Nick Try Shane, at vintageaircraft@yahoo.com He is located in Aurora Oregon, very close to Hillsboro. Very knowlegable with the Nanchangs and probably with Yaks. Joe Howse ----- posted by: "Nick Pilbrow" > > Hi > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:37 AM PST US From: Joe Howse Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage I agree with Walt, my CJ6 overhaul manual clearly shows the flap actuator with no ball locks, page 26-1 chapter 26 I assume the CJ6 and the 52 have different actuators. Joe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:30 AM PST US From: "Jerry Painter" Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Re: Yak ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:44 AM PST US From: Joe Howse Subject: Yak-List: flap storage Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap Joe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:58 AM PST US From: "Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering" Subject: RE: Yak-List: flap storage The CJ6 will have completely different actuators to the Yk-52. The Yk-52 has two flaps controlled by one actuator. The Yk-18T and the CJ6 have the one large 'barn door' flap across the wing centre section. The Yk-18T also has the bungees on the flap, I suspect, similar to the CJ6. The actuator for the Yk-52 flap is a double-ended actuator with the shaft protruding from both ends. The Yk-18T (not sure about the CJ6) has two small actuators for the one flap. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 825 975 Mob: +44 7866 438 293 _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Howse Sent: 26 September 2007 15:46 Subject: Yak-List: flap storage Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap Joe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:45 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: flap storage Ahh So!!! Thanks Rob. Seems the 52 flap actuator is a totally different animal. "two flaps controlled by one actuator". I could not see a need for the ball lock in the CJ actuator (there is none) and assumed (bad idea but I am regularly guilty) this applied to other models. So here we go again - I will suggest that other models with a single piece flap are the same as the CJ and will hazard a guess that the reason for the ball lock in the 52 is to prevent a split flap condition. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Kent - WLAC Russian Engineering To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: flap storage The CJ6 will have completely different actuators to the Yk-52. The Yk-52 has two flaps controlled by one actuator. The Yk-18T and the CJ6 have the one large 'barn door' flap across the wing centre section. The Yk-18T also has the bungees on the flap, I suspect, similar to the CJ6. The actuator for the Yk-52 flap is a double-ended actuator with the shaft protruding from both ends. The Yk-18T (not sure about the CJ6) has two small actuators for the one flap. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 825 975 Mob: +44 7866 438 293 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe Howse Sent: 26 September 2007 15:46 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: flap storage Also the CJ6 has a bungee to retract the flap Joe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:52 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage From: "Bill Tally" The way the Yak 52 flap system works, a split flap condition is impossible unless a component actually breaks (unlikely considering the strength of construction). Flaps on both sides are both connected to a common piston rod which has to be either in the up or down position. Ingenious and dirt simple. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136569#136569 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:19 AM PST US From: Doug Sapp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55m Nick, Try Shane Weese of Vintage Aircraft, phone +503-678-6887, email vintageaircraft@yahoo.com Shane is located at Aurora OR., just about 20 south of Hillsboro. Shane maintains several Yaks and CJ's and would be my choice if I were doing the job. Good luck. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Pilbrow wrote: > >Hi > >I am writing this email on the off chance you could help me. I'm am >importing a Yak 55m in to Christchurch New Zealand . The plane is >based in Hillsboro, OR USA. I am having a lot of difficulty in finding >a suitable engineer to pull the plane apart and put it in the >container well enough to survive the 8000 mile trip to New Zealand. >Would you be able to help, or put me in touch with some one who can? > >Thank you very much for your time. > >Nick Pilbrow > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:27 AM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Yak-List: Engine Monitoring Anyone hear an update from Dynon on their support for our radial engines? Last I checked they only supported 4-6 cyl engines. Is anyone using a graphical engine analyzer for their Yak or CJ? Dabear ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:46 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Engine Monitoring From: "fougapilot" Spoke to the owner of Dynon in OSH last summer. It is true that he owns a Nurphy Rebel with a radial engine in it, however he has no plans to come up with an engine monitoring system that will work on 9 cyl engines. Such is life. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136580#136580 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:24 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage Flat spin maybe. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Tally Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Flap storage Walt, a careful reading of your first post shows you were referring to CJ's. It appears that Yaks have the locks and and CJ's don't. So, you really don't need any correcting! The discussion of ball locks brings up another topic: The presence of the ball locks in the Yak flaps has led many to question why the Russian flight manual forbids tail slides. If the flaps are in fact locked, what is the reason for that prohibition? Is it because of potential flap damage or for some other reason? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136529#136529 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:57 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Nuts! tire for sale. I've been home a week from flying the B-24. I never get tired of flying this plane. Everyday something significant happens. Most of the time its the people and their actions brought on by these airplanes. The very last day out, I was a little tired cause I had just helped our mechanic change a exhaust pipe on the #2 engine. (Unlike the M-14p or HS-6 the P&W 1830 on the B-24 requires damn near total disassembly to get to one section of pipe.) Than a lady (my age) asked if she could sit in the cockpit. Her father had been a pilot in one. We have a policy that anyone in cockpit has to be accompanied. We were about to close up for the day, I was tired, but you know me guys, - - - any thing for a lady. She climbed into the left seat, sat there for about 10 second, and totally broke down. "Oh, my God" "Daddy, I am here". I let her sit there quite awhile. After awhile she got herself composed, apologized, and I helped her get out of the cockpit. She explained that her father had passed away sometime ago and she just had to see the airplane he had told her so many stories about, as his daughter. She said she didn't think that would have effected her so, until she sat where he had sat. I've been puttering around the house cleaning up since I'd been gone over four weeks. Sitting in the hangar has been a nose wheel tire from Aircraft Spruce, I had ordered just before leaving for the above trip. I finally got around to opening it up and put on the rim, when I noted, that it was larger than the tire I was replacing. I didn't even put air in it. Hmmmmm Let see, I ordered a 6.00x6. Yes this was a 6.00x6 BUT a 28x6.00x6. Hmmmm Will it fit? Most definitely NO. Hmmmm I want a 15x6.00x6. So I call Aircraft Spruce to arrange for an exchange. BUT I made the mistake during the chit-chat, of telling the gal, I had put the tire on the rim before I had notice it was wrong. Guess what? They will not accept a return tire if it has been on the rim, EVEN IF YOU DID NOT INFLATE IT OR REMOVE ANY OF THE TAGS. They thanked me for being honest ($135.00 worth) but they could not help me. If I had kept my mouth shut I wouldn't have a 8 ply, 28 x 6.00 x 6 Goodyear Flight Custom III, for sale in my hangar. Anyone interested? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:17 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Chicago area accident? Troops I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around Chicago area?? Pappy ______________________________________________________________________________ _________ I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed near Chicago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the Red Star community and if you get confirmation, let me know. This is something the RPA needs to be on top of, if its true. Alan -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: -------------- In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakpilot@bellsouth.net writes: Alan, Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Jim Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois? Alan ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Chicago area accident? From: Craig Schneider Chicago area pilot killed in Ohio while on an Angel Flight http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ap-il-smallplanecrash,0, 1304380.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Wed 9/26/2007 9:39 PM Subject: Yak-List: Chicago area accident? Troops I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around Chicago ar ea?? Pappy ___________________________________________________________________________ ____________ I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed near Chi cago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the Red Star communit y and if you get confirmation, let me know. This is something the RPA need s to be on top of, if its true. Alan -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: -------------- In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakpilot@ bellsouth.net writes: Alan, Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Jim Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois? Alan See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:55 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Engine Monitoring JP instruments makes a 9 cylinder monitor. I do not have any experience with it though. Not sure what I would know what to do it the 1st through 3rd cylinder head temp exceeded 200 C bumping into the Red while #4 read 180 C. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fougapilot Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Engine Monitoring Spoke to the owner of Dynon in OSH last summer. It is true that he owns a Nurphy Rebel with a radial engine in it, however he has no plans to come up with an engine monitoring system that will work on 9 cyl engines. Such is life. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136580#136580 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:06 PM PST US From: Roger Baker Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chicago area accident? Happened at Crystal Lake airport. Loss of power on t/o. Two fatal. Owner taking Flight Review in front pit; IP in rear pit. IP was Academy grad, full career fighter pilot. MiG 17 airshow pilot, did lots of GA instructing apparently. Both had flown this particular airplane a lot. The owner had the airplane for some 4 years before the accident. Roger Baker__________________________________________________________________ On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:39 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: > Troops > > I pass this on to the list. Anyone hear about a accident around > Chicago area?? > > Pappy > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _________________ > > I have heard from a couple of different sources that a Yak crashed > near Chicago last month with 2 fatalities. Please ask around the > Red Star community and if you get confirmation, let me know. This > is something the RPA needs to be on top of, if its true. > > Alan > > -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: > -------------- > > In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:05:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > yakpilot@bellsouth.net writes: > > > Alan, > > Not at all. This is the first I've heard of it. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > Jim > Do you have any details on the recent Yk-52 crash in Illionois? > Alan > > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:16 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F From: "Genzlinger, Reade" Dennis: Question re: 8130 and Op Lim Letter issued in 1990 - Would an aircraft (e.g. Harvard Mark IV) that was issued its airworthiness cert. and operation limit letter in the exhibition/show category in 1990 be subject to the 300/600 mile proficiency area? There is nothing in the letter relating to this at all. In fact it is the most unencumbered OL that I have seen. I realize this may be a mute point with the issuance of the 9-11-07 FAA memo but I am curious as to what is required to re-register such an aircraft as I believe the rules were different in 1990. Reade Reade Genzlinger Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com 215.914.0370 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.