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2. 07:25 AM - Re: English / left main gear strut (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 08:15 AM - Yak 55 Fuel Gauge Sight Glass (mikspin)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: English / left main gear strut (Valerie Walker)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: English / left main gear strut (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 (DaBear)
8. 10:57 AM - Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: English / left main gear strut (netmaster15@juno.com)
10. 12:34 PM - Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 (Roger Bieberdorf)
11. 12:40 PM - Re: English / left main gear strut (Valerie Walker)
12. 01:51 PM - Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | English / left main gear strut |
Doc, Dawg and others of like mind. Briefly, "Numbers USA " is the best
tool we have to keep American values, corrupt politicians in check, and
LEGAL immigration into this country the way it was meant to be. Find
it on the net and subscribe. It really works and you'll like it.
Back to Yaks. I have a small problem with what appears to be my main
gear strut inflation again. I had them worked on and apparently fixed
when they were serviced with both CO2 and hydraulic fluid. Both had
been down and dirty before and the plane lurched and wobbled while
taxiing. It taxied great for the first few flights afterward, but now
the left strut/wing seems to be dropping the same way even though the
CO2 charge is still full. I haven't noticed any Hydraulic fluid leaks,
and it appears to just be the left one. That strut also has thin
vertical grease lines indicating that it has indeed compressed. The
right one does not. I've also been getting a left "gear not up and
locked" indication on my light panel when I bring the gear up but the
gear up stick indicators are fine and my mechanic says it's just the
indicator and "we'll fix that in the December Annual". The mechanic had
also adjusted the uplocks prior to this. He says that the strut
problem may just be me using too much braking. I'll be the first one to
look at "Operator error" as the problem, and I did before I ever brought
the mechanic into the loop on this, but I really don't think so. The
odd thing is, the left wing dropped when I started the engine on the
ground as well, before the aircraft was ever in motion.
Any ideas on this strange set of circumstances out there in the
collective CJ wisdom?
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: English / left main gear strut |
Val,
Two things come to mind. The strut should be serviced with Nitrogen not
Carbon Dioxide. I've never heard of a strut being serviced with CO2.
The cause of problem with the left strut sagging could be either the
strut seals or the valve used to pressurize the strut is leaking.
Either or both could cause the pressure in the strut to leak down. The
strut should probably be disassembled and have new seals put in it.
As for the gear not indicating UP and LOCKED, it could very well be
caused by the adjustment made by your mechanic. The uplocks and their
associated micro switches must be properly adjusted in order to see an
UP and thus LOCKED indication. Most likely, I'd bet the microswitch is
not adjusted properly. It would be best to make this adjustment with
the airplane on jacks so the gear can be retracted and tested to verify
UP and LOCKED.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: V. Walker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: English / left main gear strut
Doc, Dawg and others of like mind. Briefly, "Numbers USA " is the
best tool we have to keep American values, corrupt politicians in check,
and LEGAL immigration into this country the way it was meant to be.
Find it on the net and subscribe. It really works and you'll like it.
Back to Yaks. I have a small problem with what appears to be my main
gear strut inflation again. I had them worked on and apparently fixed
when they were serviced with both CO2 and hydraulic fluid. Both had
been down and dirty before and the plane lurched and wobbled while
taxiing. It taxied great for the first few flights afterward, but now
the left strut/wing seems to be dropping the same way even though the
CO2 charge is still full. I haven't noticed any Hydraulic fluid leaks,
and it appears to just be the left one. That strut also has thin
vertical grease lines indicating that it has indeed compressed. The
right one does not. I've also been getting a left "gear not up and
locked" indication on my light panel when I bring the gear up but the
gear up stick indicators are fine and my mechanic says it's just the
indicator and "we'll fix that in the December Annual". The mechanic had
also adjusted the uplocks prior to this. He says that the strut
problem may just be me using too much braking. I'll be the first one to
look at "Operator error" as the problem, and I did before I ever brought
the mechanic into the loop on this, but I really don't think so. The
odd thing is, the left wing dropped when I started the engine on the
ground as well, before the aircraft was ever in motion.
Any ideas on this strange set of circumstances out there in the
collective CJ wisdom?
- Val
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| Subject: | Yak 55 Fuel Gauge Sight Glass |
Hi Folks,
For any interested parties, I have fabricated some molds and have made and can
make more replacements for the sight glass (actually plastic) in the Yak 55M fuel
gauges.
I'm pretty sure the straight 55 uses the same glass...if not, would any knowledgeable
55 owners lemme know otherwise?
I'll post some pic's if anybody wants 'em.
Mike Hastings
mikspin@aol.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137412#137412
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| Subject: | Re: English / left main gear strut |
Obviously, I must be breathing too much CO2. LOL Of course I meant nitrogen.
Thanks for the input Dennis.
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: English / left main gear strut |
In a message dated 10/1/2007 10:26:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
Val,
I agree with Dennis. The failure of up-lock indication can't have anything
to do with strut pressure because the distance from the gear pivot point at
the wing attachment; to the up-lock bracket where up micro switch is located
is a fix distance. It will never change. The same with the gear indicator on
the wing.
Sometime the seals in the shock will get "rolled" or twisted and cause a
leak. Its not so bad, if the wing dips during braking but if it does not come
right back up, it time to check the pressure for sure. That "dipping" is part
of the shock absorbing action. A little is OK but to much or slow recovery
to level, means the pressure ought to be checked.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Val,
Two things come to mind. The strut should be serviced with Nitrogen not
Carbon Dioxide. I've never heard of a strut being serviced with CO2. The cause
of problem with the left strut sagging could be either the strut seals or
the valve used to pressurize the strut is leaking. Either or both could cause
the pressure in the strut to leak down. The strut should probably be
disassembled and have new seals put in it.
As for the gear not indicating UP and LOCKED, it could very well be caused
by the adjustment made by your mechanic. The uplocks and their associated
micro switches must be properly adjusted in order to see an UP and thus LOCKED
indication. Most likely, I'd bet the microswitch is not adjusted properly.
It would be best to make this adjustment with the airplane on jacks so the
gear can be retracted and tested to verify UP and LOCKED.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _V. Walker_ (mailto:Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com)
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: English / left main gear strut
Doc, Dawg and others of like mind. Briefly, "Numbers USA " is the best tool
we have to keep American values, corrupt politicians in check, and LEGAL
immigration into this country the way it was meant to be. Find it on the net
and subscribe. It really works and you'll like it.
Back to Yaks. I have a small problem with what appears to be my main gear
strut inflation again. I had them worked on and apparently fixed when they
were serviced with both CO2 and hydraulic fluid. Both had been down and dirty
before and the plane lurched and wobbled while taxiing. It taxied great for
the first few flights afterward, but now the left strut/wing seems to be
dropping the same way even though the CO2 charge is still full. I haven't
noticed any Hydraulic fluid leaks, and it appears to just be the left one. That
strut also has thin vertical grease lines indicating that it has indeed
compressed. The right one does not. I've also been getting a left "gear not
up
and locked" indication on my light panel when I bring the gear up but the gear
up stick indicators are fine and my mechanic says it's just the indicator
and "we'll fix that in the December Annual". The mechanic had also adjusted
the uplocks prior to this. He says that the strut problem may just be me
using too much braking. I'll be the first one to look at "Operator error" as
the
problem, and I did before I ever brought the mechanic into the loop on this,
but I really don't think so. The odd thing is, the left wing dropped when
I started the engine on the ground as well, before the aircraft was ever in
motion.
Any ideas on this strange set of circumstances out there in the collective
CJ wisdom?
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
and Airworthiness Certificate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Davis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to the
supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of the letter.
Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're still operating
the A/C in their area?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Can someone post the letter of deviation pdf? Seems YAHOO has
closed that link!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:50 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
Folks,
This letter on the removal of the 300/600 limitation in 8130 went
out in an RPA Ecom a few weeks back and reprinted here, I was told the
practice of "rewriting OL when moving FSDOs" would also be a thing of
the past,
Just throwing it out there for your consideration/discusion.
EAA and the Warbirds of America (WOA) received terrific news this
week from the FAA regarding experimental exhibition operating
limitations for former military aircraft in Groups I, II, and III. The
FAA has announced a process to allow for a letter of deviation[RR1]
[RR1], permitting owners to conduct proficiency flights beyond the 300
nm (piston) and 600 nm (turbine) radius of operations stipulated in a
section of FAA Order 8130.2F.
The geographic limitations were adopted as a safety measure in the
early 1990s when a large number of former military aircraft was imported
into the United States. Since then, safety records have shown that the
proficiency limitations did little, if anything, to improve safety.
Industry groups, including WOA, felt that allowing pilots to train
outside these limits would help raise the pilot's experience and
proficiency levels, thus improving safety.
Discussions on the issue turned a huge corner during meetings
hosted by EAA and WOA in March 2007 when industry representatives and
senior FAA officials reviewed FAA Order 8130.2F and discussed
recommendations on future revisions. At EAA AirVenture 2007 in July, the
FAA agreed to issue the letter of deviation and discussed the proposed
timetable for its release. Other organizations represented included the
Commemorative Air Force (CAF); Classic Jet Aircraft Association (CJAA);
and Courtesy Aircraft.
Input was also received from the Army Aviation Heritage Foundation
(AAHF); North American Trainer Association (NATA); Red Star Pilots
Association (RPA); International Aerobatic Club (IAC); as well as pilots
and owners of former military aircraft.
"We are extremely pleased with this outcome," said Rick Siegfried,
EAA Warbirds of America president. "EAA Warbirds of America and our
industry partners have worked very hard on our members' behalf. By
meeting face-to-face in Oshkosh with FAA officials, we were able to work
through this and other issues. We have submitted a list of recommended
revisions to FAA Order 8130.2F and look forward to even more progress in
the weeks and months to come."
Owners of experimental exhibition aircraft are encouraged to
review the FAA memorandum and decide for themselves if it is in their
best interest to request the letter of deviation. For many owners and
operators of warbirds aircraft, this is an attractive option, helping
them expand their training and proficiency options.
Siegfried applauded the EAA Government Relations Programs staff of
Earl Lawrence, Doug Macnair, Randy Hansen, and Lynn Nelson for their
support, along with the industry partners who participated in the
process. Also playing key roles were WOA Executive Director Bill Fischer
and the WOA Government Affairs Committee, including Connie Bowlin, Ray
Dieckman, Jack Harrington, Bill Harrison, Michael Schloss, Siegfried,
and Warren Wood.
EAA, EAA Warbirds of America, and industry representatives will
continue to work on our member's behalf to maintain and improve our
freedom of flight. For more information regarding EAA Warbirds of
America programs and activities, or to join or renew your EAA Warbirds
of America membership, visit www.warbirds-eaa.org.
How to obtain the letter of deviation:
1.. Former military aircraft receiving initial experimental
exhibition (FAR 21.191(d)) certification from today forward, need to
present the September 11, 2007 FAA Memorandum to their FSDO in order to
be exempt from the 300/600-mile proficiency flight area limitation. The
next change to FAA Order 8130.2(F) will contain the elimination of this
requirement, but in the meantime, this FAA Memorandum is the authority
to remove the proficiency flight area limitation on their operating
limitations.
2.. All former military experimental exhibition aircraft in
Groups I, II, and III currently operating and with the flight
proficiency 300/600 mile limitations on their operating limitations must
continue to operate under the issued limitations until such time they
get their operating limitations updated from their local FSDO.
3.. All former military experimental exhibition aircraft owners
can immediately apply to their local FSDO to amend their operating
limitations to eliminate the 300/600-mile flight proficiency area
limitation. Once amended, they will no longer have a proficiency flight
area limitation. When submitting the request to the FSDO to drop the
proficiency area limitation, owners should:
1.. Submit a cover letter to their local FSDO-"Request the
operating limitations issued to TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, N-NUMBER, be updated
to eliminate the proficiency flight area limitation per FAA Memorandum,
subject: Deviation to Order 8130.2, dated September 11, 2007, from Frank
Paskiewicz, Manager AIR-200. FAA headquarters, AFS-800, and AIR-200 have
approved that this operating limitation change request will be processed
per FAA Order 8130.2F, paragraph 27b(6), and no aircraft certification
inspection is required for this paperwork change."
The owners need to attach the following to their letter:
(1) A completed FAA Form 8130-6
http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-6d.pdf/; and
(2) A copy of their current operating limitations (not the
original); and
(3) A copy of their aircraft registration (not the original);
and
(4) A copy of the FAA Memorandum from AIR-200.
2.. As a note, once the local FSDO office is ready to update
the operating limitations, the owners can expect to go to that office
and exchange their old operating limitations for a new set (face to
face).
3.. The mailing addresses for local FSDOs is at:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/
Time: 04:11:56 AM PST US
From: "Ira Saligman"
Subject: Yak-List: Aircraft acquisition and FAA
In the event one buys an aircraft outside of their FSDO, are
there any
requirements to ferry it to the home FSDO?
At the moment on acquisition you could have an experimental not
under the
"guidance": of any FSDO.
Ira Saligman
o 610 940 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
isaligman@Saligman.com
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Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
Reade,
Everything that is applicable to that specific including the
300/600 NM
proficiency area will be written in the aircraft's operating
limitations.
My guess would be because the OL's were issued prior to 1993,
there are no
restrictions/no 300/600 NM proficiency area. ie:
"pre-moratorium" aircraft.
Anyone who has a pre-moratorium aircraft is very lucky because
the OL's were
written under a different FAA Order.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genzlinger, Reade"
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: FAA Memorandum - 8130.2F
>
> Dennis:
>
> Question re: 8130 and Op Lim Letter issued in 1990 -
>
> Would an aircraft (e.g. Harvard Mark IV) that was issued its
> airworthiness cert. and operation limit letter in the
exhibition/show
> category in 1990 be subject to the 300/600 mile proficiency
area? There
> is nothing in the letter relating to this at all. In fact it
is the
> most unencumbered OL that I have seen. I realize this may be a
mute
> point with the issuance of the 9-11-07 FAA memo but I am
curious as to
> what is required to re-register such an aircraft as I believe
the rules
> were different in 1990.
>
> Reade
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com
> 215.914.0370
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying anywhere
if we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense
to tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or it
is the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
Dabear
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
> thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
> mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
> and Airworthiness Certificate.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mark Davis <mailto:mark@pld.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
> Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to
> the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of
> the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're
> still operating the A/C in their area?
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
I completely agree. It doesn't make sense. But until such time as the
Order is revised to reflect no annual program letter of events, then we
still have to comply. Now think about this..... The FSDO's are having to
amend existing OL's and Airworthiness Certificates to delete the 300/600
mile proficiency area. When the revised Order comes out, guess what! They
are going to have to do it all over again if any of the statements in our
existing OL's are effectively rescinded in the revised Order. That includes
no annual program letter of events.
If the FAA were to just think ahead for a change, they could have easily
included a statement in the Memorandum that says, "To all FAA Inspectors.
This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600 mile
proficiency area for all Experimental Exhibition aircraft." If they were to
again think ahead and figure out that an aircraft that has no proficiency
area limitation has really no need to submit an annual program letter of
events since the aircraft can take-off and land at any airport except Class
B airports anyway. Then they would do exactly the same thing for the
Schedule of Events letter.
What ever happened to the "Paperwork Reduction Act"?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
> Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying anywhere if
> we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense to
> tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or it is
> the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
>
> Dabear
>
> A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>> Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
>> thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
>> mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
>> and Airworthiness Certificate.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mark Davis <mailto:mark@pld.com>
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>> Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to
>> the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of
>> the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're
>> still operating the A/C in their area?
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: English / left main gear strut |
VAL, Change the CO2 ,try nitrogen, Change the seals, change the mechani
c,
Regards,
Cliff
-- "V. Walker" <Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com> wrote:
Doc, Dawg and others of like mind. Briefly, "Numbers USA " is the best
tool we have to keep American values, corrupt politicians in check, and
LEGAL immigration into this country the way it was meant to be. Find i
t on the net and subscribe. It really works and you'll like it. Back to
Yaks. I have a small problem with what appears to be my main gear stru
t inflation again. I had them worked on and apparently fixed when they
were serviced with both CO2 and hydraulic fluid. Both had been down and
dirty before and the plane lurched and wobbled while taxiing. It taxie
d great for the first few flights afterward, but now the left strut/wing
seems to be dropping the same way even though the CO2 charge is still f
ull. I haven't noticed any Hydraulic fluid leaks, and it appears to jus
t be the left one. That strut also has thin vertical grease lines indic
ating that it has indeed compressed. The right one does not. I've also
been getting a left "gear not up and locked" indication on my light pa
nel when I bring the gear up but the gear up stick indicators are fine a
nd my mechanic says it's just the indicator and "we'll fix that in the D
ecember Annual". The mechanic had also adjusted the uplocks prior to th
is. He says that the strut problem may just be me using too much braki
ng. I'll be the first one to look at "Operator error" as the problem, a
nd I did before I ever brought the mechanic into the loop on this, but I
really don't think so. The odd thing is, the left wing dropped when I
started the engine on the ground as well, before the aircraft was ever i
n motion. Any ideas on this strange set of circumstances out there in th
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
How about anytime that a request for the change in the OL's is made, we also ask
if the Program Letter is STILL a necessity; and if it IS, then what do they
want us to include in that letter? Possibly it would become obvious that it should
be eliminated. If enough of the locals in the FSDO pointed out the obvious
to the Rule Writers; we might get it changed. rb
I completely agree. It doesn't make sense. But until such time as the
Order is revised to reflect no annual program letter of events, then we
still have to comply. Now think about this..... The FSDO's are having to
amend existing OL's and Airworthiness Certificates to delete the 300/600
mile proficiency area. When the revised Order comes out, guess what! They
are going to have to do it all over again if any of the statements in our
existing OL's are effectively rescinded in the revised Order. That includes
no annual program letter of events.
If the FAA were to just think ahead for a change, they could have easily
included a statement in the Memorandum that says, "To all FAA Inspectors.
This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600 mile
proficiency area for all Experimental Exhibition aircraft." If they were to
again think ahead and figure out that an aircraft that has no proficiency
area limitation has really no need to submit an annual program letter of
events since the aircraft can take-off and land at any airport except Class
B airports anyway. Then they would do exactly the same thing for the
Schedule of Events letter.
What ever happened to the "Paperwork Reduction Act"?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear"
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
> Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying anywhere if
> we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense to
> tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or it is
> the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
>
> Dabear
>
> A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>> Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
>> thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the 300/600
>> mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating limitations
>> and Airworthiness Certificate.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mark Davis
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>> Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to
>> the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of
>> the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're
>> still operating the A/C in their area?
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: English / left main gear strut |
Apparently I've been breathing too much CO2 guys, LOL. Of course I meant nitrogen
in the servicing. Thanks for the input and I'll check the seals.
- Val
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"Pilots take no special joy in walking, pilots like flying." - Neil Armstrong
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600 |
Good luck on that one.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Bieberdorf
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
How about anytime that a request for the change in the OL's is made,
we also ask if the Program Letter is STILL a necessity; and if it IS,
then what do they want us to include in that letter? Possibly it would
become obvious that it should be eliminated. If enough of the locals in
the FSDO pointed out the obvious to the Rule Writers; we might get it
changed. rb
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I completely agree. It doesn't make sense. But until such time as
the
Order is revised to reflect no annual program letter of events, then
we
still have to comply. Now think about this..... The FSDO's are
having to
amend existing OL's and Airworthiness Certificates to delete the
300/600
mile proficiency area. When the revised Order comes out, guess what!
They
are going to have to do it all over again if any of the statements
in our
existing OL's are effectively rescinded in the revised Order. That
includes
no annual program letter of events.
If the FAA were to just think ahead for a change, they could have
easily
included a statement in the Memorandum that says, "To all FAA
Inspectors.
This Memorandum, when carried in the aircraft, rescinds the 300/600
mile
proficiency area for all Experimental Exhibition aircraft." If they
were to
again think ahead and figure out that an aircraft that has no
proficiency
area limitation has really no need to submit an annual program
letter of
events since the aircraft can take-off and land at any airport
except Class
B airports anyway. Then they would do exactly the same thing for the
Schedule of Events letter.
What ever happened to the "Paperwork Reduction Act"?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>
> Why would we need to send an annual letter that we are flying
anywhere if
> we don't have to report leaving 300/600nm area? Doesn't make sense
to
> tell them what airshow we are attending (we'll be on the waver) or
it is
> the same as us flying to any other airport for proficiency.
>
> Dabear
>
> A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>> Answer.....Yes. Don't read anything into the Memorandum. The only
>> thing the Memorandum does is facilitate the elimination of the
300/600
>> mile proficiency area by amending the aircraft's operating
limitations
>> and Airworthiness Certificate.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mark Davis
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 9:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>> Does the change remove the need for the required annual letter to
>> the supervising FSDO? I've looked and can't find any mention of
>> the letter. Do we need to send them an annual reminder that we're
>> still operating the A/C in their area?
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese
>> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 7:53 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: FAA 8130.2f and 300/600
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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