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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Jan Mevis)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Oil temp (was: YAk-50 structural issues) (napeone)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (flir47)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (DaBear)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Yak-50 for sale (Barry Hancock)
6. 08:07 AM - Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Tim Gagnon)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Jan Mevis)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Yak-50 for sale (Mark Davis)
9. 09:19 AM - Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (flir47)
10. 11:06 AM - Re: Log book translation (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
11. 11:52 AM - Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Tim Gagnon)
12. 12:11 PM - Pneumatic Line Repairs (hkgibby@yahoo.com)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (Doug Sapp)
14. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Log book translation (Doug Sapp)
15. 03:44 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Jan Mevis)
17. 05:04 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (Vincent Palermo)
18. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Terry Lewis)
19. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Brian Lloyd)
20. 06:23 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (hkgibby@yahoo.com)
21. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Scott Poehlmann)
22. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Yak-50 for sale (Roger Kemp)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (Doug Sapp)
24. 06:41 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (Roger Kemp)
25. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (viperdoc)
26. 07:38 PM - Fuel Burn in Va (viperdoc)
27. 09:34 PM - MWM seeks GFAA for discrete good time as a threesome (Brian Lloyd)
28. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Brian Lloyd)
29. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
30. 10:10 PM - OSH 50 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
31. 10:29 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
32. 10:31 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
33. 10:34 PM - Re: Re: Yak-50 for sale (Yak Pilot)
34. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
35. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
36. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
37. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia (Yak Pilot)
38. 10:59 PM - Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs (Yak Pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Amazing: in this article it is claimed that the YK50 can do a 5000 FT per
minute climb with the original Russian propeller and the 360 horsepower
Ivchenko engine.
I need a three-bladed MT 9-260 prop to do that. And I am not really certain
that it really performs that climb speed (IMHO there are not enough data to
claim this).
By the way, I recently did a +9,5 G pull, and I deeply regret it. I will
NEVER do it again, although a recent thorough inspection by two Russian
mechanics (one of them a riveting specialist from the Shakthy factory)
showed no damage. I had some damage to the right elevator (two ribs broken).
But there's strong evidence that this is not caused by the high G's.
Richard Goode is absolutely right. Don't pull more than 6 G's on these
beautiful oldtimers, because that is what they are: oldtimers. If you want
to do more, fly an Extra 300 or an Edge 540
All the best,
Jan Mevis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 5:59
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Mark,
I believe this is the airplane that Flir47 owns. I met the guy who recently
bought his Yak-52.
http://members.cox.net/yakpilot/n63ra.htm
Being a 1977 model, it seems to have never been modified. I think this
airplane carries some history.
As for room in the Yak-50, I am 5'11" and as far as I am concerned, it is
perfect. If I could only get the seat to recline like the one in the jet I
fly does, all would be good.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil temp (was: YAk-50 structural issues) |
Yes
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
jan.mevis(at)informavia.b wrote:
> Amazing: in this article it is claimed that the YK50 can do a 5000 FT per
> minute climb with the original Russian propeller and the 360 horsepower
> Ivchenko engine.
>
> I need a three-bladed MT 9-260 prop to do that. And I am not really certain
> that it really performs that climb speed (IMHO there are not enough data to
> claim this).
>
>
> By the way, I recently did a +9,5 G pull, and I deeply regret it. I will
> NEVER do it again, although a recent thorough inspection by two Russian
> mechanics (one of them a riveting specialist from the Shakthy factory)
> showed no damage. I had some damage to the right elevator (two ribs broken).
> But there's strong evidence that this is not caused by the high G's.
>
> Richard Goode is absolutely right. Don't pull more than 6 G's on these
> beautiful oldtimers, because that is what they are: oldtimers. If you want
> to do more, fly an Extra 300 or an Edge 540
>
> All the best,
>
> Jan Mevis
>
>
>
>
> --
According to Richard Goode's site.... Here is what you need for 5,000 fpm
"Fantastic straight line performance, particularly in terms of rate of climb with
a 400hp PF engine; 3-blade propeller and lightweight systems, a 50 will climb
at 5000 feet per minute!"
No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true. Mine does
3,300 on a cool day. May do better but I don't try.
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Mark,
I'm 6'3" and not thin anymore. I'm also tall in the body not in the
legs. When I sit at a table with other folks, I'm taller than everyone
at the table. That said, I've modified my CJ so that I can fit in it
and so that I can actually get a pad between my parachute and my butt.
If you are interested in the CJ, come see what I've done to it so that
I'm comfortable.
DaBear
Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>
> Brian, I can not really get into a 52 OR a CJ. But I also admit to being just
short of 6 feet 7 inches tall AND, I am not what you would call "thin" anymore.
>
> Yes, truly the 50 has more room. You can also modify it so as to move the seat
aft a little bit, which I have done with mine. My torso height is such that
sitting in a CJ, if I tilt my head all the way down to my shoulder, I can close
the canopy.
>
> I wish mightily that all the above was NOT the case. My airplane choices are
limited.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 20:05
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E wrote:
>
>
>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> You're right. No question that with the same engine, a CJ will
>> walk away from the YAK. Beautiful wing. Beautiful airplane. The
>> downside is that there is more room in a YAK-50 than a CJ-6.
>> Amazingly hard to believe, but it is true. I am very very tight in
>> a YAK-50, but simply can't even get in and close the canopy on the CJ.
>>
>
> Huh. That means that the Yak-50 cockpit is cavernous. I find the CJ
> cockpit plenty roomy. I find the Yak-52 to be a bit of a squeeze for
> my 6'2" frame.
>
> And the CJ6A is a nice airframe but the roll rate is just a bit on
> the anemic side. Also, it doesn't have inverted fuel and oil by
> default. Dunno, does anyone make the perfect airplane?
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-50 for sale |
See below....
On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I was not aware that you owned that aircraft Barry. You lucky dog. I
> read some history that indicated that the first pre-production
> YAK-50's
> had bubble canopies, non-retractable gear, and a much stronger wing.
> Does serial #001 have any of these differences?
I have thought about blowing a teardrop canopy for it as was
originally installed...it looks fantastic. But that canopy was
replaced in favor of the "stock" one early in it's life.
This has retractable gear, as did it's Yak-18 PS predecessor. As for
the wing, I really don't get the fuss. Yes, they had a couple of
failures where the pilots, according to my understanding,
instantaneously exceeded the ultimate load limit. So, unless you're
planning to reach back with two fistfuls of anger and pull for all
your worth (like a Russian aerobatic pilot) the original wing was
plenty strong enough for us mere mortals. That being said, #001 did
have the spar reinforced during it's airframe overhaul in 2002.
> Do you see any kind of
> changes that were made from 001 to other aircraft down the road?
Switch positions, removal of seat adjustment system (we've disabled
it in #001 because it had a nasty habit of not staying put under
negative G's)...I'm sure there are others.
> Just
> curious really. Long range fuel: Are you speaking about the aerobatic
> tank still being in there with the AUX tank added for around 28-31
> or so
> usable gallons, or something else?
We removed the AUX tank and bloused it for an additional 6 gallons,
so it has 35 usable. I can comfortably get 300 nm out of it if I go
to 10,500' and no wind.
>
> For what you are offering, that price is sure tempting.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good deal myself. ;)
Cheers,
Barry
>
> Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
> No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
Wow.....
Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a -50
than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it not
been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of day
and may have been lost forever.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Yes of course, I never said that it's not possible with the original prop to climb
very fast. There are many factors, INCLUDING pilot's skill (and I stay very
humble as for that). I still don't even know what my best rate of climb or angle
of climb speed is. These data are not present in the aircraft's book. As
a matter of fact, it is not very important. The Yak 50 is an amazing beast anyway.
I also fly an Extra 300L, but my Yak 50 outperforms it easily as for climbing
and acceleration. If I want to do aerobatics, I prefer the Extra. For fun
flying and formation flying, the Yak is superior (my own very subjective opinion).
Best regards,
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 16:30
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
jan.mevis(at)informavia.b wrote:
> Amazing: in this article it is claimed that the YK50 can do a 5000 FT per
> minute climb with the original Russian propeller and the 360 horsepower
> Ivchenko engine.
>
> I need a three-bladed MT 9-260 prop to do that. And I am not really certain
> that it really performs that climb speed (IMHO there are not enough data to
> claim this).
>
>
> By the way, I recently did a +9,5 G pull, and I deeply regret it. I will
> NEVER do it again, although a recent thorough inspection by two Russian
> mechanics (one of them a riveting specialist from the Shakthy factory)
> showed no damage. I had some damage to the right elevator (two ribs broken).
> But there's strong evidence that this is not caused by the high G's.
>
> Richard Goode is absolutely right. Don't pull more than 6 G's on these
> beautiful oldtimers, because that is what they are: oldtimers. If you want
> to do more, fly an Extra 300 or an Edge 540
>
> All the best,
>
> Jan Mevis
>
>
>
>
> --
According to Richard Goode's site.... Here is what you need for 5,000 fpm
"Fantastic straight line performance, particularly in terms of rate of climb with
a 400hp PF engine; 3-blade propeller and lightweight systems, a 50 will climb
at 5000 feet per minute!"
No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true. Mine does
3,300 on a cool day. May do better but I don't try.
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142148#142148
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-50 for sale |
Barry,
If I've followed the thread properly Shawn Troutman was the first
owner and removed the canopy. You might try contacting him in Ulysses,
KS at (620) 356-1909. Maybe it's still around?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-50 for sale
See below....
On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
I was not aware that you owned that aircraft Barry. You lucky dog.
I
read some history that indicated that the first pre-production
YAK-50's
had bubble canopies, non-retractable gear, and a much stronger wing.
Does serial #001 have any of these differences?
I have thought about blowing a teardrop canopy for it as was
originally installed...it looks fantastic. But that canopy was replaced
in favor of the "stock" one early in it's life.
This has retractable gear, as did it's Yak-18 PS predecessor. As for
the wing, I really don't get the fuss. Yes, they had a couple of
failures where the pilots, according to my understanding,
instantaneously exceeded the ultimate load limit. So, unless you're
planning to reach back with two fistfuls of anger and pull for all your
worth (like a Russian aerobatic pilot) the original wing was plenty
strong enough for us mere mortals. That being said, #001 did have the
spar reinforced during it's airframe overhaul in 2002.
Do you see any kind of
changes that were made from 001 to other aircraft down the road?
Switch positions, removal of seat adjustment system (we've disabled it
in #001 because it had a nasty habit of not staying put under negative
G's)...I'm sure there are others.
Just
curious really. Long range fuel: Are you speaking about the
aerobatic
tank still being in there with the AUX tank added for around 28-31
or so
usable gallons, or something else?
We removed the AUX tank and bloused it for an additional 6 gallons, so
it has 35 usable. I can comfortably get 300 nm out of it if I go to
10,500' and no wind.
For what you are offering, that price is sure tempting.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good deal myself. ;)
Cheers,
Barry
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
>
>
> Wow.....
>
> Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a -50
than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
>
> He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it not
been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of day
and may have been lost forever.
WOW!
You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in regards to
the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300 not 5,000 like
stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is needed to do
it. You IDIOT!
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Log book translation |
Doug:
Do you have anybody that can do that for Chinese logs? It would be nice to be
able to read CJ logs from their home country.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
flir47 wrote:
>
> Tim Gagnon wrote:
> >
> > > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
> >
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a
-50 than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
> >
> > He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it
not been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of
day and may have been lost forever.
>
>
> WOW!
>
> You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in regards
to the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300 not 5,000
like stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is needed to do
it. You IDIOT!
Look at what I quoted....I can use crayons if it helps.
It seems true what I have heard about you...
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Line Repairs |
All,
Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic line?
Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
Hoot
CJ/Jacksonville, FL
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
Hoot (Hank?),
Replace the entire line or cut out the leak area and use a male/male
splicer and 2 nuts. I can help with both.
Always Yakin,
Doug
hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>All,
>
>Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic line?
Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Hoot
>CJ/Jacksonville, FL
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Log book translation |
Craig,
Not at this time, but I'll see what I can find.
Always Yakin,
Doug
Winkelmann, CFI wrote:
>
>Doug:
>
>Do you have anybody that can do that for Chinese logs? It would be nice to be
able to read CJ logs from their home country.
>
>Craig
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142179#142179
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
It is highly recommended you fabricate a replacement line and not try
repairing it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
>
> Hoot (Hank?),
> Replace the entire line or cut out the leak area and use a male/male
> splicer and 2 nuts. I can help with both.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug
>
>
> hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic
>>line? Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>>Hoot
>>CJ/Jacksonville, FL
>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
I would like to know who's hiding behind this flir47 or me262pilot. Why is
he so aggressive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 18:19
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
>
>
> Wow.....
>
> Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion"
carries a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than
6 months. I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear
on a -50 than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
>
> He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had
it not been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light
of day and may have been lost forever.
WOW!
You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in
regards to the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300
not 5,000 like stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is
needed to do it. You IDIOT!
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142169#142169
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
Dennis is right, you start putting repair fittings in hard lines,
either fluid or pneumatic and you end up chasing leaks, sorta like
flying on a CH-47D, check the fuel and top off the hydraulic fluid.
Vincent Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com
On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> It is highly recommended you fabricate a replacement line and not
> try repairing it.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
>
>
>>
>> Hoot (Hank?),
>> Replace the entire line or cut out the leak area and use a male/
>> male splicer and 2 nuts. I can help with both.
>>
>> Always Yakin,
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a
>>> pneumatic line? Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Hoot
>>> CJ/Jacksonville, FL
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
I don,t have a clue who they are. They are autodelete on my system.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
>
> I would like to know who's hiding behind this flir47 or me262pilot. Why is
> he so aggressive ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
> Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 18:19
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
>
>
>
> Tim Gagnon wrote:
>>
>> > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
>>
>>
>> Wow.....
>>
>> Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion"
> carries a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less
> than
> 6 months. I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the
> gear
> on a -50 than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
>>
>> He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had
> it not been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the
> light
> of day and may have been lost forever.
>
>
> WOW!
>
> You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in
> regards to the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300
> not 5,000 like stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what
> is
> needed to do it. You IDIOT!
>
> --------
> You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142169#142169
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
On Oct 26, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> My shoulders hit both sides of the 50. A parachute may be able to be
> done, but I have yet to be able to get one on, and then get into the
> aircraft. You will (I am sure) remember my diatribe with RPA over
> that
> issue. :-) I have so far broken one YAK-50 canopy with my head.
> It's
> worth it though.
>
> I'm completely serious... If I could fit into one, I'd own a CJ-6.
> And
> yes... It sucks so badly you just can barely imagine. Envy is not a
> nice thing.
The CJ6A is a nice airplane but since I have been flying Tyson's
Yak-52 and flying the Pitts this past summer, I want something with
more performance all around the envelope. The CJ6A and Yak-52 are
nice but none of them are what you would call real performers. I want
a faster roll rate, a faster cruise, and a better climb. I also want
to burn less fuel.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
Thanks, looks like a replacement line is in order.
Hank
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Palermo <vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
To:yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
Dennis is right, you start = putting repair fittings in hard lines, either fluid
or pneumatic and you = end up chasing leaks, sorta like flying on a CH-47D,
check the fuel and = top off the hydraulic fluid.
Vincent = Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
On Oct = 27, 2007, at 6:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
It is = highly recommended you fabricate a replacement line and not try = repairing
it.
Dennis
----- = Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> >
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line = Repairs
--> Yak-List message posted = by: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> >
Hoot- = (Hank?),
Replace the entire line or cut = out the leak area and use a male/male splicer
and 2 nuts.- I can help with = both.
Always Yakin,
Doug
hkgibby@yahoo.com <mailto:hkgibby@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted = by: hkgibby@yahoo.com <mailto:hkgibby@yahoo.com>
All,
Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small = crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic line?-=
Tips and advice is much appreciated.- Thanks.
Hoot
CJ/Jacksonville, FL
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Try a 55, Brian. Or a Su-29. Much better roll rate, much better vertical
performance. OK, the cruise isn't faster and the fuel burn is the same, but
the fun factor is off scale high.
Scott Poehlmann
Yak 55M N155YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Saturday, 27 October, 2007 18:40
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
On Oct 26, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> My shoulders hit both sides of the 50. A parachute may be able to be
> done, but I have yet to be able to get one on, and then get into the
> aircraft. You will (I am sure) remember my diatribe with RPA over
> that
> issue. :-) I have so far broken one YAK-50 canopy with my head.
> It's
> worth it though.
>
> I'm completely serious... If I could fit into one, I'd own a CJ-6.
> And
> yes... It sucks so badly you just can barely imagine. Envy is not a
> nice thing.
The CJ6A is a nice airplane but since I have been flying Tyson's
Yak-52 and flying the Pitts this past summer, I want something with
more performance all around the envelope. The CJ6A and Yak-52 are
nice but none of them are what you would call real performers. I want
a faster roll rate, a faster cruise, and a better climb. I also want
to burn less fuel.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-50 for sale |
Barry,
Can you send me a picture of what you did to Blouse your regular 15 gal acro
tank to add 6 additional gal to make it 35 gal? I am missing something.
Mine has the Aux tank (standard size) . Saying that I have 32.5 gal usable
with the two tanks.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-50 for sale
See below....
On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
I was not aware that you owned that aircraft Barry. You lucky dog. I
read some history that indicated that the first pre-production YAK-50's
had bubble canopies, non-retractable gear, and a much stronger wing.
Does serial #001 have any of these differences?
I have thought about blowing a teardrop canopy for it as was originally
installed...it looks fantastic. But that canopy was replaced in favor of
the "stock" one early in it's life.
This has retractable gear, as did it's Yak-18 PS predecessor. As for the
wing, I really don't get the fuss. Yes, they had a couple of failures where
the pilots, according to my understanding, instantaneously exceeded the
ultimate load limit. So, unless you're planning to reach back with two
fistfuls of anger and pull for all your worth (like a Russian aerobatic
pilot) the original wing was plenty strong enough for us mere mortals. That
being said, #001 did have the spar reinforced during it's airframe overhaul
in 2002.
Do you see any kind of
changes that were made from 001 to other aircraft down the road?
Switch positions, removal of seat adjustment system (we've disabled it in
#001 because it had a nasty habit of not staying put under negative
G's)...I'm sure there are others.
Just
curious really. Long range fuel: Are you speaking about the aerobatic
tank still being in there with the AUX tank added for around 28-31 or so
usable gallons, or something else?
We removed the AUX tank and bloused it for an additional 6 gallons, so it
has 35 usable. I can comfortably get 300 nm out of it if I go to 10,500'
and no wind.
For what you are offering, that price is sure tempting.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good deal myself. ;)
Cheers,
Barry
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
Hank,
I agree, replacement is the best way. I have a ton of hard lines all
in a big tangled pile, so take a photo and give me the total length.
Always Yakin,
Doug
hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>Thanks, looks like a replacement line is in order.
>
>Hank
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vincent Palermo <vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:03:39
>To:yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
>
>
>Dennis is right, you start = putting repair fittings in hard lines, either fluid
or pneumatic and you = end up chasing leaks, sorta like flying on a CH-47D,
check the fuel and = top off the hydraulic fluid.
>
>
>Vincent = Palermo
>vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Oct = 27, 2007, at 6:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>
>
>
>It is = highly recommended you fabricate a replacement line and not try = repairing
it.
>Dennis
>
>
>----- = Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> >
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> >
>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line = Repairs
>
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted = by: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> >
>
>
>Hoot- = (Hank?),
>Replace the entire line or cut = out the leak area and use a male/male splicer
and 2 nuts.- I can help with = both.
>
>
>Always Yakin,
>Doug
>
>
>hkgibby@yahoo.com <mailto:hkgibby@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted = by: hkgibby@yahoo.com <mailto:hkgibby@yahoo.com>
>
>
>All,
>
>
>Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small = crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic line?-=
Tips and advice is much appreciated.- Thanks.
>
>
>Hoot
>CJ/Jacksonville, FL
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>- - - - - - The = Yak-List Email Forum -
>
>
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>com/Navigator?Yak-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
>
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Line Repairs |
Hoot,
Replace it. You are only prolonging your agony!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hkgibby@yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
All,
Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic
line? Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
Hoot
CJ/Jacksonville, FL
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Danged, I'm getting really confused now! Who's looking for a YAK-50? Brian,
Mark, Greasy, Partridge, Pear tree....
Well bugger me!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
On Oct 26, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> My shoulders hit both sides of the 50. A parachute may be able to be
> done, but I have yet to be able to get one on, and then get into the
> aircraft. You will (I am sure) remember my diatribe with RPA over
> that
> issue. :-) I have so far broken one YAK-50 canopy with my head.
> It's
> worth it though.
>
> I'm completely serious... If I could fit into one, I'd own a CJ-6.
> And
> yes... It sucks so badly you just can barely imagine. Envy is not a
> nice thing.
The CJ6A is a nice airplane but since I have been flying Tyson's
Yak-52 and flying the Pitts this past summer, I want something with
more performance all around the envelope. The CJ6A and Yak-52 are
nice but none of them are what you would call real performers. I want
a faster roll rate, a faster cruise, and a better climb. I also want
to burn less fuel.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Gang,
Here is what I found today when I flew my 50 at 1700. I waited that long
hoping the winds would die down. They did not! They were 030 @ 22 at 3000.
They were 360 at 8 G 15. They were actually more like 30 kts @ 2500 ft when
measured by the GPS! So saying all that, these are indicated airspeeds
only.
I was at 2500 ft in level flight for this.
240 kph @ 62% and 600 mmHg
250 kph @ 65% and 650 mmHg
260 kph @ 70% and 700 mmHg
290 kph @ 80% and 800 mmHg
My 50 is stock with flush riveted skin, 360 hp engine and 2 blade standard
Ru prop.
I did not do fuel burns for an hour at each of these throttle settings. I
just wanted to confirm for myself what I had seen when flying her.
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| Subject: | MWM seeks GFAA for discrete good time as a threesome |
On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Scott Poehlmann wrote:
>
> Try a 55, Brian. Or a Su-29. Much better roll rate, much better
> vertical
> performance. OK, the cruise isn't faster and the fuel burn is the
> same, but
> the fun factor is off scale high.
Well, I do think that reversing an inverted accelerated spin to an
upright accelerated spin in a Pitts is a LOT of fun. Still, I want to
climb to about 20K and go like a bat out of hell too. I guess I just
need more airplanes.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
On Oct 27, 2007, at 7:02 PM, viperdoc wrote:
>
> Danged, I'm getting really confused now! Who's looking for a
> YAK-50? Brian,
> Mark, Greasy, Partridge, Pear tree....
Not me.
> Well bugger me!
Not bloody likely!
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
You're correct Jan. I've never seen that kind of performance on the three 50's
that I have flown. However, with a 400 HP engine, and a modern MT-9-260 thick
root...,... maybe it is possible.
By the way, I was once asked to ferry this exact aircraft. Long story, but I decided
against it.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:45:36 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Amazing: in this article it is claimed that the YK50 can do a 5000 FT per
minute climb with the original Russian propeller and the 360 horsepower
Ivchenko engine.
I need a three-bladed MT 9-260 prop to do that. And I am not really certain
that it really performs that climb speed (IMHO there are not enough data to
claim this).
By the way, I recently did a +9,5 G pull, and I deeply regret it. I will
NEVER do it again, although a recent thorough inspection by two Russian
mechanics (one of them a riveting specialist from the Shakthy factory)
showed no damage. I had some damage to the right elevator (two ribs broken).
But there's strong evidence that this is not caused by the high G's.
Richard Goode is absolutely right. Don't pull more than 6 G's on these
beautiful oldtimers, because that is what they are: oldtimers. If you want
to do more, fly an Extra 300 or an Edge 540
All the best,
Jan Mevis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 5:59
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Mark,
I believe this is the airplane that Flir47 owns. I met the guy who recently
bought his Yak-52.
http://members.cox.net/yakpilot/n63ra.htm
Being a 1977 model, it seems to have never been modified. I think this
airplane carries some history.
As for room in the Yak-50, I am 5'11" and as far as I am concerned, it is
perfect. If I could only get the seat to recline like the one in the jet I
fly does, all would be good.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142095#142095
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Troops
Some time in the next couple of weeks, the planners for EAAWB will start
planning for 2008 AirVenture at OSH. The number of aircraft that I can tell
them that are planning to attend our CJ-6 fiftieth anniversary will ( I hope )
impress them on our special needs for the celebration.
As of right now we have some 34 CJ-6 pilots and aircraft signed up for next
year, plus there have been a number (4) of those not on the list who have told
me they are coming but not on the list. That's great. At this far ahead
of next year we are kind of encouraged this far ahead. However we'd really
like to get more of you signed up. In December the college will start
processing the reservations for next year. We'll need some kind of number of
participants, to work out a group numbers with them.
Now you Yak guys need to put in your names also. You're just as much part
of this celebration as the CJ guys. We need to know your numbers also. This
is RPA's first big aircraft celebration and Yaks are part of RPA.
BTW at last count we had 57 CJ-6 pilots on the RPA roster that are FAST
rated. You CJ-6 who do not have your FAST cards at present need to "get
cracking". You Yaks guys are in the same boat BTW. So fellows start working
toward
those FAST ratings.
Go to the RPA web site (_http://www.flyredstar.org/_
(http://www.flyredstar.org/) ) and go to the Fly-in pre- registration section and sign-up for the OSH
CJ-6 50th celebration..
Jim (Pappy) Goolsby
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Thanks Tim for the heads up. Here are some interesting tidbits.
1. Flir47 never signs his own name.
2. He is a very sarcastic individual who enjoys badmouthing anyone and everyone.
3. He got very frantic when it was suggested that a YAK-50 without spar modifications
should not pull over 5 G's and that not having this modification lowered
the worth of the aircraft. I should have tied that kind of response to be
one from the owner of such an aircraft?
4. YAK-50 77-1009 shows an incorrect "N" number on the YAK census list.
5. N number N63RA shows up at the FAA's registration site as "May not be suitable
for operation".
6. Tim, can you remember the N number of the 52 that this gent sold?
Thanks,
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:58:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Mark,
I believe this is the airplane that Flir47 owns. I met the guy who recently bought
his Yak-52.
http://members.cox.net/yakpilot/n63ra.htm
Being a 1977 model, it seems to have never been modified. I think this airplane
carries some history.
As for room in the Yak-50, I am 5'11" and as far as I am concerned, it is perfect.
If I could only get the seat to recline like the one in the jet I fly does,
all would be good.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142095#142095
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Rog.... I'd love to do that! =0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:30:43 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Intro
r <dabear@damned.org>=0A=0AMark,=0A=0AI'm 6'3" and not thin anymore. I'm a
lso tall in the body not in the =0Alegs. When I sit at a table with other
folks, I'm taller than everyone =0Aat the table. That said, I've modified
my CJ so that I can fit in it =0Aand so that I can actually get a pad betwe
en my parachute and my butt. =0AIf you are interested in the CJ, come see
what I've done to it so that =0AI'm comfortable.=0A=0ADaBear=0A=0ABitterli
ch, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:=0A> --> Yak-List messag
e posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.b
itterlich@navy.mil>=0A>=0A> Brian, I can not really get into a 52 OR a CJ.
But I also admit to being just short of 6 feet 7 inches tall AND, I am not
what you would call "thin" anymore. =0A>=0A> Yes, truly the 50 has more r
oom. You can also modify it so as to move the seat aft a little bit, which
I have done with mine. My torso height is such that sitting in a CJ, if I
tilt my head all the way down to my shoulder, I can close the canopy. =0A
>=0A> I wish mightily that all the above was NOT the case. My airplane cho
ices are limited. =0A>=0A> Mark=0A>=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A>
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd=0A> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 20:
05=0A> To: yak-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Introducti
loyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Bitter
lich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,=0A> MALS-14 64E wrote:=0A>=0A> =0A>> --
, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A>>=0A>> You're right. No quest
ion that with the same engine, a CJ will =0A>> walk away from the YAK. Be
autiful wing. Beautiful airplane. The =0A>> downside is that there is mo
re room in a YAK-50 than a CJ-6. =0A>> Amazingly hard to believe, but it i
s true. I am very very tight in =0A>> a YAK-50, but simply can't even ge
t in and close the canopy on the CJ.=0A>> =0A>=0A> Huh. That means that
the Yak-50 cockpit is cavernous. I find the CJ =0A> cockpit plenty roomy.
I find the Yak-52 to be a bit of a squeeze for =0A> my 6'2" frame.=0A>=0A
> And the CJ6A is a nice airframe but the roll rate is just a bit on =0A>
the anemic side. Also, it doesn't have inverted fuel and oil by =0A> defau
lt. Dunno, does anyone make the perfect airplane?=0A>=0A> --=0A> Brian Lloy
d 3191 Western Drive=0A> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd
DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682=0A> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1
.270.912.0788 (fax)=0A>=0A> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyra
nny of petty things . . .=0A> - Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry=0A>=0A> PGP key
ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C=0A> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254
B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-50 for sale |
Barry, the reason I asked about the wing was not related to the previous conversation.
Articles I have seen stated that the original prototype 50's actually
used a totally different spar system than what eventually went into production.
Mark
----- Original Message ----
From: Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-50 for sale
See below....
On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
I was not aware that you owned that aircraft Barry. You lucky dog. I
read some history that indicated that the first pre-production YAK-50's
had bubble canopies, non-retractable gear, and a much stronger wing.
Does serial #001 have any of these differences?
I have thought about blowing a teardrop canopy for it as was originally installed...it
looks fantastic. But that canopy was replaced in favor of the "stock"
one early in it's life.
This has retractable gear, as did it's Yak-18 PS predecessor. As for the wing,
I really don't get the fuss. Yes, they had a couple of failures where the pilots,
according to my understanding, instantaneously exceeded the ultimate load
limit. So, unless you're planning to reach back with two fistfuls of anger
and pull for all your worth (like a Russian aerobatic pilot) the original wing
was plenty strong enough for us mere mortals. That being said, #001 did have
the spar reinforced during it's airframe overhaul in 2002.
Do you see any kind of
changes that were made from 001 to other aircraft down the road?
Switch positions, removal of seat adjustment system (we've disabled it in #001
because it had a nasty habit of not staying put under negative G's)...I'm sure
there are others.
Just
curious really. Long range fuel: Are you speaking about the aerobatic
tank still being in there with the AUX tank added for around 28-31 or so
usable gallons, or something else?
We removed the AUX tank and bloused it for an additional 6 gallons, so it has 35
usable. I can comfortably get 300 nm out of it if I go to 10,500' and no wind.
For what you are offering, that price is sure tempting.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good deal myself. ;)
Cheers,
Barry
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Concur Tim.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:06:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
> No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
Wow.....
Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a -50
than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it not
been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of day
and may have been lost forever.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142154#142154
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Well Tim, welcome to the "idiot" list. Sorry to see this person talk to you this
way as well.
A little bit more and I am going to suggest a vote.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: flir47 <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:18:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
>
>
> Wow.....
>
> Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a -50
than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
>
> He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it not
been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of day
and may have been lost forever.
WOW!
You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in regards to
the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300 not 5,000 like
stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is needed to do
it. You IDIOT!
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142169#142169
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Tim, if you truly know... I'd ask/suggest/whatever... that you post this gentlemans
name on the list and where he is from. I strongly suspect that once everyone
knows exactly who he is and where they have to go to buy him a cup of coffee,
he might be just a tad more polite.
Regardless, I do not believe it is in anyones best interests to be required to
put up with this kind of abuse on this list.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 2:52:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
flir47 wrote:
>
> Tim Gagnon wrote:
> >
> > > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
> >
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion" carries
a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than 6 months.
I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear on a
-50 than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
> >
> > He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had it
not been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light of
day and may have been lost forever.
>
>
> WOW!
>
> You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in regards
to the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300 not 5,000
like stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is needed to do
it. You IDIOT!
Look at what I quoted....I can use crayons if it helps.
It seems true what I have heard about you...
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia |
Because he is anonymous Jan. I have seen it countless times before all over the
internet, and I suspect everyone else has run into it at one time or another
as well. It usually involves someone who has a real honest to goodness inferiority
complex. In the normal world they are afraid of most anything and everything,
and they hate themselves for it. Simply put, they are usually closet
cowards. When they get access to the internet, they live to try and transfer some
of that frustration and anger they have felt all throughout their lives to
other people. They do this by being very careful to never let anyone know who
they are, where they live, etc. The Internet becomes the world where they can
be a big ole bad ass, and never have to fear that someone might actually come
along and make them stand behind the way they act, and the way they talk.
This is why I so quickly offered to bet this man $10,000. I knew there was no
way in the world that he would
ever accept the offer. He simply can't. That would involve him actually having
to meet someone that he has been so nasty to, and that is something he will
NEVER allow to happen. The thought scares him to death, and when he feels scared,
he gets even more nasty and throws around even more bad language. He desperately
wants respect, but truthfully simply does not know how to go about getting
it. Believe it or not, he really would like to be good friends with everyone
here, he simply does not know how to go about that either.
There are two mature ways to deal with people like this:
1. Go to the list server owner and ask for him to be removed.
2. Ignore him.
Now, if I could only follow my own advice..... I am trying.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:51:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
I would like to know who's hiding behind this flir47 or me262pilot. Why is
he so aggressive ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flir47
Sent: zaterdag 27 oktober 2007 18:19
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Introduction/burning fuel in Virginia
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> > No data to support it...but it is on the internet so it must be true.
>
>
> Wow.....
>
> Richard has been involved in Yaks for a loooooong time and his "opinion"
carries a lot more weight than someone who has owned a Yak-50 for less than
6 months. I would willing to bet that Richard has more time cycling the gear
on a -50 than you do between your former -52 and your new -50.
>
> He has been a great help to this group and I would be willing to bet had
it not been for him, many of these airplanes would have never seen the light
of day and may have been lost forever.
WOW!
You can't read. If you notice that was in a separate paragraph and in
regards to the article (web page) on my airplane. My 50 does a solid 3,300
not 5,000 like stated on the Internet. I used Richards quote to show what is
needed to do it. You IDIOT!
--------
You built and fly an RV.......BIG DEAL!!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142169#142169
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Line Repairs |
There is one repair that I have seen work that I will pass on here. If your crack
or leak is in a flare, you can do a very good emergency repair by putting
in a layer of teflon tape and then wrenching it back down. It'll get you home,
even with 3000 psi in the lines.
Mark Bitterlich
N50yk
----- Original Message ----
From: Vincent Palermo <vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:03:39 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
Dennis is right, you start putting repair fittings in hard lines, either fluid
or pneumatic and you end up chasing leaks, sorta like flying on a CH-47D, check
the fuel and top off the hydraulic fluid.
Vincent Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com
On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
It is highly recommended you fabricate a replacement line and not try repairing
it.
Dennis
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pneumatic Line Repairs
Hoot (Hank?),
Replace the entire line or cut out the leak area and use a male/male splicer and
2 nuts. I can help with both.
Always Yakin,
Doug
hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote:
All,
Has anyone had luck on a repair of a small crack/pin-hole in a pneumatic line?
Tips and advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
Hoot
CJ/Jacksonville, FL
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