Yak-List Digest Archive

Thu 11/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     1. 03:45 AM - Mogas use (Craig Payne)
     2. 03:54 AM - Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke (fougapilot)
     3. 05:04 AM - Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke (CJcanuck)
     4. 05:17 AM - Re: Avgas Prices (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
     5. 06:16 AM - Re: Avgas Prices (Roger Kemp)
     6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke (Roger Kemp)
     7. 06:56 AM - gas (Jerry Painter)
     8. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Avgas Prices (Cyrus Kissling)
     9. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Avgas Prices (N13472@aol.com)
    10. 08:53 AM - Re: Avgas Prices (Greg Young)
    11. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: av gas prices (Brian Lloyd)
    12. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (viperdoc)
    13. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke (Ira Saligman)
    14. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (Kregg Victory)
    15. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (David McGirt)
    16. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (Kregg Victory)
    17. 03:50 PM - Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (Drew)
    18. 05:25 PM - Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (LawnDart)
    19. 07:10 PM - HGU-68 vs HGU-55 (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
    20. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: FAST, Formation Flight, Safety (viperdoc)
    21. 08:54 PM - Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (Roger Kemp)
    22. 11:25 PM - Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (KingCJ6@aol.com)
    23. 11:40 PM - Re: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ (Shinden33)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:45:32 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Mogas use
    > > > How come your not running auto gas like us Westerners?? Been on it for four years > now, with 650 hrs on the CJ with zero problems.? Auto is $2.65 a gallon out > here!!? Why would you burn anything else?? Avgas is $ 4.55 gallon here > > Well I do burn it but along with 100LL in a 50/50 mix in the M-14P. Huosai's have a lower compression ratio and my Huosai engine always did better on "pure" mogas than 100LL. Winter-blended mogas up Nawth contains more "stuff" so I didn't use it then. Down "hear", 200 miles South of the Deep South, we get fine "sugar sand" in the mogas. I had partial fuel stoppage back in September and had to extract my parachute from my body when I finally landed safely. I found fine sand in my carb, fuel strainer and sump. Now I use a filtered funnel or a chamois when mogas is poured. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com


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    Time: 03:54:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke
    From: "fougapilot" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
    CJCanuck, I have had a positive experience with Flightsuits. I opted for the -55 with the -33 visor set. The idea was to protect the visor from scratching. I am very happy with the result. I also went for the ANR and love it. Never did it "pop" at any power setting. I even prefer it to my Bose X! However, a quick word on US Federal regulations. For some reasons, "military style helmets with communications capabilities" is listed as a weapon in the Coded Federal Regulation (CFR). Flightsuits does NOT have an export permit, and is thus not permitted to export their helmets to Canada. They will refuse to ship you a helmet as it WILL be stopped by US custom and be seized. There is an easy fix to this. The same CFR provides an exemption to Canadian citizen and allows us to export most weapons (there is a list of weapons not exempt and flight helmet is not on it). What you need to do is buy the helmet t your specs, have it shipped to a friend south of the border, fly down with the CJ, put the helmet on your head and fly back home. Canada custom will only look for the Tax$$, they couldn't care less about the fact that the USA consider the helmet to be a military item. In Canada, it's a fancy headset. That is how I got mine back in 2006. Completely legal method to get a great tool. Cheers, Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144555#144555


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    Time: 05:04:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke
    From: "CJcanuck" <m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
    Thank for the info, Guys! Now the big decision; a helmet, a parachute, or both! Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144559#144559


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    Time: 05:17:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Avgas Prices
    From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com>
    Check out www.100ll.com to find decent prices near your home airport. Here in South Florida you could pay $6.65 to $3.72 a gallon within a 50 mile radius. How's that for capitalism!! Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144560#144560


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    Time: 06:16:47 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Avgas Prices
    Makes flying not for the faint of wallet! Youch! We have it good in the US, but we can't let this get away from us! Apathy here is becoming rapant! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:34 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Avgas Prices In the Netherlands: $ 4,20 per LITER......... Hans _____ Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp Verzonden: donderdag 8 november 2007 6:03 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Avgas Prices Danged! Now convert the EU to US and it is a real ouch! Do the math.that gives our prices a whole new perspective! (~$9.12 US). Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Pickford Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Avgas Prices New Zealand $6.48 for Avgas - $6.96 for Auto - Ouch !!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Basiliere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Avgas Prices $3.69 self -serve here @LMO in Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com> Sent: 11/7/2007 5:50:37 PM Subject: Yak-List: Avgas Prices Just paid my October fuel chit from my friendly FBO. $4.50/gallon average price. How bad are y'all getting hosed? Trying to get back my money in FBO coffee and donuts but it's costing me at the Gastro Dr,'s. Either way, it's more heartburn.... Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on the Contribution link below to find out more about this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! List Contribution Web Site: --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Yak-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 06:26:11 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke
    Both! It's your rosey pink and cranium! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CJcanuck Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke Thank for the info, Guys! Now the big decision; a helmet, a parachute, or both! Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144559#144559


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    Time: 06:56:03 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
    Subject: gas
    Been $4.549 here at KAWO since the last runup (and never came down when mogas prices dropped), 'spect it'll go higher this time. Ah, no, I don't have the concession--I wish! Jerry Painter Wild Blue Aviation JP@FlyWBA.com www.FlyWBA.com


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    Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US
    From: "Cyrus Kissling" <cyco55@COMCAST.NET>
    Subject: Re: Avgas Prices
    What about burning hi test auto with the 400 hp M14 PF? Cyrus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Avgas Prices > <capav8r@gmail.com> > > Check out www.100ll.com to find decent prices near your home airport. > Here in South Florida you could pay $6.65 to $3.72 a gallon within a 50 > mile radius. How's that for capitalism!! > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144560#144560 > > >


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    Time: 08:30:26 AM PST US
    From: N13472@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Avgas Prices
    In a message dated 11/8/2007 5:25:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, capav8r@gmail.com writes: Check out www.100ll.com to find decent prices near your home airport. Here in South Florida you could pay $6.65 to $3.72 a gallon within a 50 mile radius. How's that for capitalism!! Craig Are you sure its capitalism? In many case's when you see this big difference in a local area make note of which Government agency own's? run's the airport and how much Flowage fee/tax they have put on the avgas to keep the peasants off of the jet center / airline turf. Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223


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    Time: 08:53:52 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Subject: Re: Avgas Prices
    You can also use www.airnav.com to find the lowest prices locally or enroute. If you go after the lowest prices be prepared that they often run out and you should have fuel for an alternate. Just happened to me - I got fuel outbound but they were empty 2 days later on the return. Regards, Greg Young > --> <capav8r@gmail.com> > > Check out www.100ll.com to find decent prices near your home > airport. Here in South Florida you could pay $6.65 to $3.72 > a gallon within a 50 mile radius. How's that for capitalism!! > > Craig >


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    Time: 10:14:48 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: re: av gas prices
    On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:53 PM, hkgibby@yahoo.com wrote: > > Gary, Pls enlighten us with how you run regular gas in a CJ. I > thought it had to be leaded. Additive, access to leaded gas? What? The Huosai engine is designed to run on 73 octane, unleaded avgas, otherwise known as "white gas". It loves plain ol' regular auto gas. Spark plugs last longer too. I bought a 100 gal tank and pump for my pickup truck. I paid for it in avgas savings in four months. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C


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    Time: 11:15:13 AM PST US
    From: "viperdoc" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    Pull the ADI out and it fits perfect. Will have to make a back plate to bolt it to your panel though. Postive side is you lose the inverter! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33 Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ I was looking at the EFIS Sport and based in the website information it looked to me like if you removed the RMI and the ADI the EFIS would fit in the hole for the RMI. I never had a chance to test that theory though. S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > <capav8r@gmail.com> > > I personally like the BMA EFIS/Sport. It would likely requires a new > panel to be built but it will give you a ton of capability. You'd have to > see if it will fit in a 52. BMA does have the EFIS Two as well. Both of > these units give you nice IFR capability, moving map, and you can add > engine monitoring. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143651#143651 > > >


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    Time: 11:34:33 AM PST US
    From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
    Subject: Re: HGU-55 vs David Clarke
    I recently put the headsets inc. helmet anr Kit in my hgu55. The difference is unbelievable compared to a headset (due to tighter helmet fit) and compared to the HGU standard leather triangle foam and standard speakers. It really sounds like starting one of those fancy L-39s. Even at high power, it is silent. The only drawback - if it is a drawback, is there is not separate ear volume control. I set up my system with power adapter and the 9v battery pouch (in case I go into another aircraft) Call if you would like to discuss. Brooks at headsets Inc was very good in getting me exactly what I needed - needs may vary based on what you already have. The Kit comes with the Oregon aero seals. Ira Saligman o 610 940 0420 c 610 324 5500 f 215 243 7699 <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com


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    Time: 11:55:51 AM PST US
    From: "Kregg Victory" <kregg@balancemyprop.com>
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    I have plans on installing two Advanced Flight Systems units in my 52. These units are much more value for the money. Currently I have been installing Dynon units. After installing and Advanced Flight Systems unit in another aircraft, I was so impressed with the features and how this system performs, I am putting two in my own aircraft. If you are wondering I am both a Dynon and Advanced Flight Systems Dealer, however based on room functionality I wanted the Advanced Flight System. http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/ Kregg -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ Pull the ADI out and it fits perfect. Will have to make a back plate to bolt it to your panel though. Postive side is you lose the inverter! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33 Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ I was looking at the EFIS Sport and based in the website information it looked to me like if you removed the RMI and the ADI the EFIS would fit in the hole for the RMI. I never had a chance to test that theory though. S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > <capav8r@gmail.com> > > I personally like the BMA EFIS/Sport. It would likely requires a new > panel to be built but it will give you a ton of capability. You'd have to > see if it will fit in a 52. BMA does have the EFIS Two as well. Both of > these units give you nice IFR capability, moving map, and you can add > engine monitoring. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143651#143651 > > >


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    Time: 01:11:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    From: David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net>
    Do you have pics of one in a Yak? I would be interested in how this fit? On 11/8/07 2:35 PM, "Kregg Victory" <kregg@balancemyprop.com> wrote: > > I have plans on installing two Advanced Flight Systems units in my 52. > These units are much more value for the money. Currently I have been > installing Dynon units. After installing and Advanced Flight Systems unit > in another aircraft, I was so impressed with the features and how this > system performs, I am putting two in my own aircraft. > If you are wondering I am both a Dynon and Advanced Flight Systems Dealer, > however based on room functionality I wanted the Advanced Flight System. > http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/ > > Kregg > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:33 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > > Pull the ADI out and it fits perfect. Will have to make a back plate to bolt > it to your panel though. Postive side is you lose the inverter! > Doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33 > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:38 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > > I was looking at the EFIS Sport and based in the website information it > looked to me like if you removed the RMI and the ADI the EFIS would fit in > the hole for the RMI. I never had a chance to test that theory though. > > S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:42 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > >> <capav8r@gmail.com> >> >> I personally like the BMA EFIS/Sport. It would likely requires a new >> panel to be built but it will give you a ton of capability. You'd have to > >> see if it will fit in a 52. BMA does have the EFIS Two as well. Both of >> these units give you nice IFR capability, moving map, and you can add >> engine monitoring. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143651#143651 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:54:16 PM PST US
    From: "Kregg Victory" <kregg@balancemyprop.com>
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    I don't have pics yet, but it will be in the enter top section with a garmin 496 mounted bleow. K -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ Do you have pics of one in a Yak? I would be interested in how this fit? On 11/8/07 2:35 PM, "Kregg Victory" <kregg@balancemyprop.com> wrote: > > I have plans on installing two Advanced Flight Systems units in my 52. > These units are much more value for the money. Currently I have been > installing Dynon units. After installing and Advanced Flight Systems unit > in another aircraft, I was so impressed with the features and how this > system performs, I am putting two in my own aircraft. > If you are wondering I am both a Dynon and Advanced Flight Systems Dealer, > however based on room functionality I wanted the Advanced Flight System. > http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/ > > Kregg > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:33 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > > Pull the ADI out and it fits perfect. Will have to make a back plate to bolt > it to your panel though. Postive side is you lose the inverter! > Doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33 > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:38 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > > I was looking at the EFIS Sport and based in the website information it > looked to me like if you removed the RMI and the ADI the EFIS would fit in > the hole for the RMI. I never had a chance to test that theory though. > > S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:42 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ > > >> <capav8r@gmail.com> >> >> I personally like the BMA EFIS/Sport. It would likely requires a new >> panel to be built but it will give you a ton of capability. You'd have to > >> see if it will fit in a 52. BMA does have the EFIS Two as well. Both of >> these units give you nice IFR capability, moving map, and you can add >> engine monitoring. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143651#143651 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:50:26 PM PST US
    From: Drew <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
    Mark, Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was retained from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the website - the RPA vice president is David McGirt. Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through admin@flyredstar.org, as I've seen you have done, and so should others with opinions that they feel need to be heard on this issue!! The yak list, although a valuable tool, tends to express the human tendancy to enjoy conflict. I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had to wear his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless letters that he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we highsided in a turn, but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker leathers, no breathable fabrics except dead cow zippered or one piece, armored, including racing boots and what not...he wasn't paying my medical bills for face slapping the pavement, and in the desert, its hot... ...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that so many talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an opportunity to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to any rider of sport, touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to street. I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone else feels strongly about it, they should also write admin@flyredstar.org Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide levels.... Drew __________________________________________________


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    Time: 05:25:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    From: "LawnDart" <propwash@gmail.com>
    Hello Scott, I have been looking at your pics with interest as I have been thinking about the BM Lite in a 52. A couple semi-related questions... Are those annunciator lights stock (the ones outside the G-meter/annunciator/compass pack)? Also, how did you manage to get an XPND between the intercom panel and the primer??? VR, LawnDart Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144669#144669


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    Time: 07:10:34 PM PST US
    Subject: HGU-68 vs HGU-55
    From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com>
    I decided on an HGU-68/P helmet when I was looking for a helmet. It has the advantage of, according to Gentex (the manufacturer), having the lowest possible profile of any helmet. The helmet has a track for the visor (single hand operation) and the knob to move the visor is off to the left side (not on top). In addition, they are now making a gradient visor for the helmet. Tinted on top to clear on the bottom. See it at www.gentexcorp.com. They are often available on eBay where I purchased mine. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144691#144691


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    Time: 08:45:18 PM PST US
    From: "viperdoc" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: FAST, Formation Flight, Safety
    That's how we get dictators! The apathetic refrain. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: FAST, Formation Flight, Safety I agree- when flying at an RPA event in Rome wear nomex. If you're in America at an RPA event then celebrate your Americanism and tell the tyrants to piss off. As for voting on the matter, I guess we could vote on whether everyone should mind their own business, but tyrants are big on voting. > Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAST, Formation Flight, Safety > From: capav8r@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:14:52 -0700 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > <capav8r@gmail.com> > > All: > > To nomex or not to nomex, that was not the question!! > > So...we have two camps - those that wear nomex and those that don't. GREAT. > > When is Rome do as the Romans. So when at an RPA event (or for me flying for CAP), follow the guidelines. Otherwise, this is America - do what you want as long as it doesn't violate FARs. > > Isn't it GREAT to fly communist country airplanes in a country where we have the freedom to do what we want (within reason). > > Now....GO READ the NEW RPA FORMATION MANUAL. > > I think we should move on to other topics...... > > Enjoy the freedom of flight this weekend!! > > Craig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143348#143348 > >====== > > > _____ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get <http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us> 'em!


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    Time: 08:54:18 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
    Drew, You still riding that hard tail crotch rocket!? This has nothing to do with flying..well it could but usually without wings! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution Mark, Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was retained from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the website - the RPA vice president is David McGirt. Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through admin@flyredstar.org, as I've seen you have done, and so should others with opinions that they feel need to be heard on this issue!! The yak list, although a valuable tool, tends to express the human tendancy to enjoy conflict. I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had to wear his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless letters that he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we highsided in a turn, but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker leathers, no breathable fabrics except dead cow zippered or one piece, armored, including racing boots and what not...he wasn't paying my medical bills for face slapping the pavement, and in the desert, its hot... ...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that so many talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an opportunity to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to any rider of sport, touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to street. I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone else feels strongly about it, they should also write admin@flyredstar.org Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide levels.... Drew


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    Time: 11:25:25 PM PST US
    From: KingCJ6@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
    It's also been far, far to long without a post on MMO..... In a message dated 11/8/2007 8:55:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide levels.... Drew


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    Time: 11:40:24 PM PST US
    From: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ
    LawnDart, The annunciator lights are stock as far as I know. My 52 was produced in 1982 (hence the tail number N8252) so it is an earlier model. I've seen a picture of one other early model with this configuration so I'm guessing it was changed in later production lots. I have never been able to confirm that. Anyone else know about this? The xponder was installed prior to my purchase of the airplane. As I understand it my primer is reversed for a '52 and was taken from a '50. Cylinder prime is to the left and fuel system is right. I think it is also located higher on the panel than a stock '52. Again Having never flown another '52 or a '50 I don't know what's normal for either one. This is another question for the group. But I do know that the change was made specifically to accommodate the xponder. Scott -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LawnDart Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Best EFIS in a Yak/CJ Hello Scott, I have been looking at your pics with interest as I have been thinking about the BM Lite in a 52. A couple semi-related questions... Are those annunciator lights stock (the ones outside the G-meter/annunciator/compass pack)? Also, how did you manage to get an XPND between the intercom panel and the primer??? VR, LawnDart Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144669#144669




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