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1. 06:24 AM - Pic (Yak Pilot)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Pic (Tim Gagnon)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: Brain buckets (Roger Kemp)
4. 11:54 AM - Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (Yak Pilot)
5. 02:45 PM - Birthday (Craig Payne)
6. 08:10 PM - Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture (GreasySideUp)
7. 09:06 PM - Dennis Savarese maintenance training course (John Graham)
8. 09:44 PM - Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture (YakL1@aol.com)
9. 09:46 PM - Re: Avgas Prices (Yak Pilot)
10. 10:08 PM - Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture (Roger Kemp)
11. 10:10 PM - Re: Gas and helmet choice (Roger Kemp)
12. 10:17 PM - Re: Re: Brain buckets (Roger Kemp)
13. 10:48 PM - Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 11:08 PM - Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 11:24 PM - Re: Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture (Roger Baker)
16. 11:24 PM - Communication Ear Protection - C.E.P (Samuel Sax)
17. 11:45 PM - Fw: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 11:52 PM - Re: Communication Ear Protection - C.E.P (Samuel Sax)
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What picture Tim?
mgb
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It loaded on my side...give it a few seconds and see if it does not work. I will
try it again here too!
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Somewhere I have that video of the frozen chicken cannon blasting the 16
canopy.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:49 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Brain buckets
Doug,
I was told by some AF types that the HGU-55 was designed to protect the
pilot from the after effects of a bird strike on a Viper canopy at ~500kts.
The canopy damage is only supposed to be a rather substantial dent. Never
saw anything in the form of actual data.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Brain buckets
Tim or anyone,
I have heard this same statement ("55 offers very little impact
protection") many times, but have never actually seen any "official"
testing results that might confirm claim. Could anyone out there tell
me where the impact rating of all the various helmets could be found?
What is the best helmet for impact protection?
Always Yakin,
Doug
Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
>Just remember the -55/P offers virtually no impact protection. They are not
intended to. They are there for earphones and a place to put an oxygen mask.
Not much more.
>
>I find the helmet restricts headroom in the -50 and I have been using a
cloth helmet with DC's. It offers better attenuation and is a whole lot
cheaper. Plus, like Doc, I got my helmet for free via the ANG.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144224#144224
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| Subject: | Re: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution |
Yes Drew, you provided me with a lot of material that I found of
interest and value. Some of which your own members did not quite
believe was accurate, so it was a wake-up call for everyone. I took
your advice (actually against my better judgment) and wrote a formal
letter to RPA as per your recommendation. I'm still waiting for even an
acknowledgement of its receipt let alone an answer to the
question/request. No big deal... Patience is a virtue.
The YAK list is a valuable tool and I agree, it is sometimes human
nature to enjoy debate in all of its forms. As long as it does not get
too personal, I consider such debate to be in the best interests of all
involved. As you know, this is the YAK LIST and discussing an
organization that flies and supports Russian aircraft seems to me to be
WELL within the bounds of "normalcy", especially when you include the
constant remarks made on this list by RPA members discussing RPA recent
events that they have attended. Remember the near mid-air discussion?
Another good example.
The "Flight Suit" issue over the years has not only been limited to
requests for the RPA to change their rules, but has also morphed into
interesting, and sometimes even heated debates on the actual worth of
certain types of safety equipment that are used in and around aircraft.
Over the history of this issue, a lot of people have been bored, a lot
have become angry, but all of us... Every one of us, has learned
something that they did not know originally in the process. In my heart,
I sincerely believe that to be a true statement.
I can understand that you might prefer all discussion and debate of
certain RPA rules/regs/policies be conducted in private and through
official RPA communication channels, but to be honest while that might
be in the best interests of the RPA, I do not consider it to be in the
best interests of General Aviation in total, and those that fly
formation (or want to) specifically. Further, if you will look closely,
my postings have all been REPLIES, not originations.
Drew, you have the right to form your own opinions about any rule or
policy that you want to, regardless of whether it applies to airplanes,
motorcycles or lawnmowers. More power to you. Like the old saying goes:
"I may not agree with that you say, but I will support to the death your
right to say it".
What strikes me as interesting is that now you seem to no longer be
questioning my point of view, but rather whether it is "appropriate" to
express my views here in the first place rather/versus more "official
channels".
Of course I could be wrong.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Drew <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:18:45 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
Mark,
Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was retained
from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the website - the
RPA vice president is David McGirt.
Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through admin@flyredstar.org, as
I've seen you have done, and so should others with opinions that they feel need
to be heard on this issue!! The yak list, although a valuable tool, tends to
express the human tendancy to enjoy conflict.
I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had to wear
his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless letters that
he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we highsided in a turn,
but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker leathers, no breathable fabrics
except dead cow zippered or one piece, armored, including racing boots and
what not...he wasn't paying my medical bills for face slapping the pavement, and
in the desert, its hot...
...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that so many
talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an opportunity
to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to any rider of sport,
touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to street.
I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone else feels
strongly about it, they should also write admin@flyredstar.org
Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide levels....
Drew
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Happy Birthday Jarheads! Born November 10th, 1775 and still going strong.
Craig Payne 2003175
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture |
So you are against flight suits then?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144914#144914
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| Subject: | Dennis Savarese maintenance training course |
Good evening,
I respectfully submit the following in the sole
interest of safety of Yak-52 flying. Earlier this
week, I, along with Grant Farrell (fellow Yak owner)
and my A&P/IA and his assistant had the privilege of
participating in Dennis Savarese's Yak-52 maintenance
training course.
In short, I feel that any Yak-52 owner who is not
comfortable with all (and I mean ALL) of the basic
functionalities and systems (pneumatic, fuel, pitot,
static, instrumentation, oil, electric, etc.) of the
concepts listed below has a duty to themselves to
either learn these items or take Dennis' course. It
is the best deal going. The course was simply
invaluable to me.
The course starts out with a 4-5 hour classroom
session where the systems are reviewed in depth, with
special emphasis on the pneumatic system. The next
day (8-9 hours) and the third day (4-6 hours) are
spent hands-on (you will get dirty!) on your airplane
at your location. So, can you, as a Yak-52 owner,
answer the following?
1. Do you have schematics for the fuel and pneumatic
system? Can you read them? What should you do to
your air tanks at each annual to ensure a long life of
your pneumatic system?
2. Do you know how many actuators are on your plane?
Have your uplock actuators ever been removed and
inspected? My plane is a 1993 and still had the
original factory safety wire on the uplock actuators.
A review of these actuators is a good proxy for the
condition of the landing gear and flap actuators.
Mine are now all being serviced as a result of our
inspection.
3. Have your prop blades ever been pulled? Mine were
clearly unserviced for at least 7 years and maybe
longer. The grease in the prop bearings was virtually
gone and in little balls. We pulled both prop blades
and cleaned and greased them - what a cool thing to
see!
4. How about your brakes and wheels? Do you know
what happens inside your brakes when you depress the
brake handle? What is the probable cause when your
brakes feel mushy?
5. With respect to the pneumatic system, do you know
what other systems can be operated via the emergency
air valve? Can you lower your emergency gear when
testing it at annual without it slamming down
violently? We can now!
6. If your air starter solenoid goes bad, do you know
how to start your plane using the starter button the
little known (to me at least) toe switch that will
bypass the solenoid and put air pressure into the
engine to crank it over?
7. Do you know what you should tighten and clean on
the fuel, intake and exhaust systems each time you do
an oil change?
8. Can you identify all of the major parts of your
engine? How about the fuel, pitot and static lines by
their colors? Those colors mean something - who
knew?!?
9. Do you know the empennage risk areas to check at
each pre-flight inspection and how to mark them so any
increase in risk is obvious?
10. Do you know the purpose of EVERY switch in both
cockpits and which ones you should probably safety to
the OFF position in the rear cockpit?
11. Do you know the first places to look when your
main or emergency air pressure is leaking?
12. Do you know the easiest way to unlock an uplock
parrot hook that has been accidentally pushed into the
locking position? (And it doesn't involve a
screwdriver.)
13. Can you install safety wire and do it in the
proper direction? Seems simple but I learned how and
would feel confident doing it in the field.
14. Can you identify all the cylinders, their firing
order, the power arm cylinder, set your magneto
timing, check for a valve clearance, etc.? Do you
know how to easily identify which cylinder has the
mis-firing plug? How to pull your plugs to alleviate
hydraulic lock and how to find top dead center on a
cylinder? Not that you will do them, but it is nice
to know how all of these are done.
And those are just the basics you learn in the
course!I am not an A&P and probably won't perform
anything but the basic maintenance on my plane and
assist with the annual condition inspection, but the
confidence in my plane and the understanding of the
systems I took away from the course will allow me to
trouble shoot problems and fly with exponentially
higher levels of confidence. And I can't wait to
update my pre-flight inspection checklist!
Fly safe my friends!
Thanks,
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture |
I certainly hope this was not at an RPA sponsored event. She looks like she
needs training (having a hard time finding the forward pilot compartment)
and is unfortunately NOT wearing a flight suit....
I bet she didn't get sent home to change...
J. Zecherle MD
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| Subject: | Re: Avgas Prices |
Doc, try to post something on the yak list and see if it goes through will
you please?=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Roger
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| Subject: | Find the Yak-50 in this picture |
What 50? Is this another one of those Elmo questions?!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Find the Yak-50 in this picture
I bet no one can find the Yak-50 in this picture.
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| Subject: | Gas and helmet choice |
Drew,
Can you find out from Sam who makes those noise attenuating ear plugs. I
suspect they are the same that you find in the hunting/ sport shooting
industry. If so they are made by Game Ear. Or you can go to your Beltone
dealer and pay about $1500 for a pair. But then again, what is the price of
your hearing at 75 or > when you are trying to get directions or correct a
fast food order placed with one of proliferate illiterate fast food
workers!
Again using a set of foam ear plugs with the ear muffs provide significant
reduction in the 3000-6000 dB range protecting your ears from that M-14
rumble and at a huge savings, Foam Ear plugs are a cheap insurance for your
hearing.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:40 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Gas and helmet choice
After checking out the HGU/68P helmet, I'm getting one and paying for it
through the savings made by using autogas in the 285...
Thanks Craig and Brian,
PS: Sam Sax has a new device for the hearing impaired; the ear plugs have
the micro-speakers factory imbedded, so its seperate from the helmet! Your
helmet can be passive noise canceling, and you further have standard ear
plugs. Would seem this would cut down the most noise for those already on
the road to becoming deaf...it looked pretty slick, I don't know the
manufacturer?
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| Subject: | Re: Brain buckets |
Herb,
The Grunt kevalar helmets are not light by any means compared the HGU-55,
33, or 35. The next generation helmets being fielded for the army, AF
special ops, marines, and seals (if they wear one at all) are much lighter
while providing better protection from cou counter cou injuries (sorry
forgot the spelling for cou). Basically for the non medical, the initial
shock of impact sends the brain in its water bath crashing against the skull
in the direction of the impact. It then rebounds against the opposite side
of the skull where it is bruised also. The brain gets bruised on both sides
or fore and aft depending on the initial direction of the impact. This is
your basic concussion. It is like a bouncing ball inside your skull with
the repercussions. Imagine a supersonic round hitting the unmovable object
with the inside of that object being gelatinous. Even though the round does
not penetrate the casing (kevelar) the energy does. The rounds fired from
our handguns and rifles are all supersonic (high velocity). The .45 is not,
it is subsonic.
Remember the additional weight you carry on your head is additional weight
transmitted to your cervical spine multiplied by the force of the G and the
weight of the helmet. We try to lighten our helmets in the aviation arena to
decrease that weight while providing some protection from incidental impact
with the canopy under neg G, acoustic protection for our ears and nap
padding to protect the neck during times of flexion/extension.
The AF helmets we currently fly with are close to meeting that. Not perfect,
but nothing is perfect. If you are going to spend a fair amount of your
flying time at risk of being in a 9 G turning fight with all sorts of extra
weight do da s hung on them (your cranium and ultimately your cervical
spine) to do your mission. You want the lightest you can get with some
protection from blast injury in ejection and the incidental whack on the
head from the abrupt reversal in a fight or to defeat a missile in flight.
The Army's helicopter helmets are much heavier than the AF's. They have
kevelar in theirs where we do not. They have a lot higher risk of bad guys
firing rifle rounds at their heads than the fast movers do.
Just a few reasons for why the AF has the helmets it has. My old AF helmet
serves me well. With the Oregon Aero modes (which incidentally AF is using
on the line now), it is quit comfortable!
Doc Kemp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Brain buckets
Dan,
Excellent post. I also picked the 33 in Kevlar for the low weight and
range of movement. Having known acro pilots that have hit the canopy
in higher neg G maneuvers I think this helmet provides adequate
protection from that likely scenario. I have only known of 3 pilots
to exit the plane with a chute. They all did fine with the 55/33
helmet. I have not spoken to him personally but the photos I saw
showed that Sergeis Sukhoi came to rest inverted after the wings came
off. He also uses either a 33 or a 55. It would be interesting to
get his perspective. (He is also 1 of the 3 I know who has bailed.)
I also invested in the 7 point ratcheting Hooker - as protection from
hitting the canopy.
I like it much better than the standard 5 point. Very comfortable in
the neg G. The lap belt holds your butt in the seat better. But I am
a little concerned about getting off quickly compared to the standard
5 point in the 52.
As an aside - Gentex makes the kevlar helmet for the Marines on the
ground. My partner in my practice is a former Marine and has been
shot twice. One time in the head with that helmet on. Obviously he
survived, the shooter was killed and Mike went on to graduate tops in
his class in college and medical school and is a physician now. I
think the kevlar shell seems pretty reliable. I do not know the
difference in the thickness of the Marine vs the flight helmets but I
would think they're both designed for being lightweight.
Herb
On Nov 9, 2007, at 5:56 AM, fougapilot wrote:
>
> When I was looking to buy a new helmet last year, I did a bunch of
> reading online and had made my mind n a Helicopter helmet because of
> the increased protection. But, after speaking with the folks at
> flightsuit, I opted for the standard HGU-55. There are many
> advantage to either helmets, but I felt that the -55 would be better
> for the type of flying I do.
>
> One has to look at helicopter flying to understand the need for
> extra shell protection. When a helicopter goes down (along with the
> pilots might I add) there is a significant chance that it may not
> stay upright upon "landing", the extra shell protection was designed
> to protect the head against the very likely side impacts one's
> cranium would sustain in such an event. However, as anything comes
> with a price this increased in side protection also means an
> increases in weight (about 2lbs more if memory serves). I don't know
> about you, but when I do acro, I much prefer having a light weight
> helmet.
>
> Flightsuits offers both the -33 and the -55 in Kevlar. The Kevlar
> helmet is a little more expensive ($100ish) but provides with an
> increased protection (over the standard helmet) while retaining a
> lesser weight.
>
> The -55 helmet was designed for fighter pilots and offers many
> advantage for our type of flying. It has both the front and rear
> "spaces" cut very high. This offer and improved field of vision. The
> front is cut off high enough so I do not see the helmet. The rear
> cut is specifically designed to offer freedom of head movement. The
> helmet does not restrict my head movement!.
>
> My CJ has an advantage over a helicopter; it had fixed wings. The
> chances of having it rolled on me during a "controlled" off site
> landing are small simply because said wings should absorb any
> rolling tendency. If I find myself in a position where I no longer
> control the airplane (either because of a midair or structural
> failure) then I would like to hope I will think of using another
> safety item I carry on board with me and let the airplane do it's
> own thing while I watch from the comfort of my parachute. The -55
> was designed for parachute landings.
>
> At the end of the day, there is no right and no wrong. In my book,
> having the light weight and increased field of vision outweigh the
> "limited" increase in protection from a heavier helmet.
>
> My 2 cents, to each his own.
>
> Dan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144806#144806
>
>
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Mark,
Are you dies paying member?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/10/2007 2:55:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yakplt@yahoo.com writes:
Yes Drew, you provided me with a lot of material that I found of
interest and value. Some of which your own members did not quite
believe was accurate, so it was a wake-up call for everyone. I took
your advice (actually against my better judgment) and wrote a formal
letter to RPA as per your recommendation. I'm still waiting for even an
acknowledgement of its receipt let alone an answer to the
question/request. No big deal... Patience is a virtue.
The YAK list is a valuable tool and I agree, it is sometimes human
nature to enjoy debate in all of its forms. As long as it does not get
too personal, I consider such debate to be in the best interests of all
involved. As you know, this is the YAK LIST and discussing an
organization that flies and supports Russian aircraft seems to me to be
WELL within the bounds of "normalcy", especially when you include the
constant remarks made on this list by RPA members discussing RPA recent
events that they have attended. Remember the near mid-air discussion?
Another good example.
The "Flight Suit" issue over the years has not only been limited to
requests for the RPA to change their rules, but has also morphed into
interesting, and sometimes even heated debates on the actual worth of
certain types of safety equipment that are used in and around aircraft.
Over the history of this issue, a lot of people have been bored, a lot
have become angry, but all of us... Every one of us, has learned
something that they did not know originally in the process. In my heart,
I sincerely believe that to be a true statement.
I can understand that you might prefer all discussion and debate of
certain RPA rules/regs/policies be conducted in private and through
official RPA communication channels, but to be honest while that might
be in the best interests of the RPA, I do not consider it to be in the
best interests of General Aviation in total, and those that fly
formation (or want to) specifically. Further, if you will look closely,
my postings have all been REPLIES, not originations.
Drew, you have the right to form your own opinions about any rule or
policy that you want to, regardless of whether it applies to airplanes,
motorcycles or lawnmowers. More power to you. Like the old saying goes:
"I may not agree with that you say, but I will support to the death your
right to say it".
What strikes me as interesting is that now you seem to no longer be
questioning my point of view, but rather whether it is "appropriate" to
express my views here in the first place rather/versus more "official
channels".
Of course I could be wrong.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Drew <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:18:45 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
Mark,
Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was
retained from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the website
- the RPA vice president is David McGirt.
Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through _admin@flyredstar.org_
(mailto:admin@flyredstar.org) , as I've seen you have done, and so should
others with opinions that they feel need to be heard on this issue!! The yak
list, although a valuable tool, tends to express the human tendancy to enjoy
conflict.
I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had to
wear his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless letters
that he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we highsided in
a turn, but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker leathers, no breathable
fabrics except dead cow zippered or one piece, armored, including racing
boots and what not...he wasn't paying my medical bills for face slapping the
pavement, and in the desert, its hot...
...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that so
many talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an
opportunity to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to any rider
of
sport, touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to street.
I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone else
feels strongly about it, they should also write _admin@flyredstar.org_
(mailto:admin@flyredstar.org)
Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide
levels....
Drew
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
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Yes Drew, you provided me with a lot of material that I found of
interest and value. Some of which your own members did not quite
believe was accurate, so it was a wake-up call for everyone. I took
your advice (actually against my better judgment) and wrote a formal
letter to RPA as per your recommendation. I'm still waiting for even an
acknowledgement of its receipt let alone an answer to the
question/request. No big deal... Patience is a virtue.
The YAK list is a valuable tool and I agree, it is sometimes human
nature to enjoy debate in all of its forms. As long as it does not get
too personal, I consider such debate to be in the best interests of all
involved. As you know, this is the YAK LIST and discussing an
organization that flies and supports Russian aircraft seems to me to be
WELL within the bounds of "normalcy", especially when you include the
constant remarks made on this list by RPA members discussing RPA recent
events that they have attended. Remember the near mid-air discussion?
Another good example.
The "Flight Suit" issue over the years has not only been limited to
requests for the RPA to change their rules, but has also morphed into
interesting, and sometimes even heated debates on the actual worth of
certain types of safety equipment that are used in and around aircraft.
Over the history of this issue, a lot of people have been bored, a lot
have become angry, but all of us... Every one of us, has learned
something that they did not know originally in the process. In my heart,
I sincerely believe that to be a true statement.
I can understand that you might prefer all discussion and debate of
certain RPA rules/regs/policies be conducted in private and through
official RPA communication channels, but to be honest while that might
be in the best interests of the RPA, I do not consider it to be in the
best interests of General Aviation in total, and those that fly
formation (or want to) specifically. Further, if you will look closely,
my postings have all been REPLIES, not originations.
Drew, you have the right to form your own opinions about any rule or
policy that you want to, regardless of whether it applies to airplanes,
motorcycles or lawnmowers. More power to you. Like the old saying goes:
"I may not agree with that you say, but I will support to the death your
right to say it".
What strikes me as interesting is that now you seem to no longer be
questioning my point of view, but rather whether it is "appropriate" to
express my views here in the first place rather/versus more "official
channels".
Of course I could be wrong.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 17:19
Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
Mark,
Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was
retained from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the
website - the RPA vice president is David McGirt.
Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through
admin@flyredstar.org, as I've seen you have done, and so should others
with opinions that they feel need to be heard on this issue!! The yak
list, although a valuable tool, tends to express the human tendancy to
enjoy conflict.
I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had
to wear his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless
letters that he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we
highsided in a turn, but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker
leathers, no breathable fabrics except dead cow zippered or one piece,
armored, including racing boots and what not...he wasn't paying my
medical bills for face slapping the pavement, and in the desert, its
hot...
...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that
so many talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an
opportunity to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to
any rider of sport, touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to
street.
I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone
else feels strongly about it, they should also write
admin@flyredstar.org
Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide
levels....
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Find the Yak-50 in this picture |
That photo has nothing to do with flight suits. It's all about
another use for MMO.
________________________________________________________________________
___________
On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:09 PM, GreasySideUp wrote:
> <greasysideup@hotmail.com>
>
> So you are against flight suits then?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144914#144914
>
>
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| Subject: | Communication Ear Protection - C.E.P |
Drew, et al
The HGU-68/P is my choice of helmet also. Work great for us over 6' tall as
the one-hand-operation knob is left of center and saves almost 2" of canopy
clearance vs. the HGU 33.
The hearing device you mentioned is the C.E.P (Communication Ear
Protection). This device is common with Helicopter pilots and as far as I
am concerned is superior to the ANR. The ANR "cancels" the low frequency
range but all the noise still hits the ear drum. The ANR does not provide
any enhance passive noise reduction over the helmet's existing insulation.
The CEP is a neat and simple solution that works so well in my CJ. A simple
pig tail wire is attached to one of the helmet earphone (in parallel) and
than splits to a "Y" that have a transducer embedded in an ear plug that is
made of the same material as standard foam earplugs that you roll between
your fingers and place in the ear opening. This foam provides a very
efficient Passive Noise Reduction while the audio is ported right into your
ear canal (the foam earplug is hollow in the center to allow the audio to go
directly to your ear drum). Works amazingly well and provides better noise
protection (30db). Also, I don't need to set the radio or intercom volume
to max and I do not need another power plug (as with the ANR) and you can
fly in any aircraft again, without needing a power socket or drag your
battery pack...
You can log on to the manufacturer's web site to get the details and to
order one, if you wish. Cost is around $120.
www.cep-usa.com/index.htm
FWIW,
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Gas and helmet choice
After checking out the HGU/68P helmet, I'm getting one and paying for it
through the savings made by using autogas in the 285...
Thanks Craig and Brian,
PS: Sam Sax has a new device for the hearing impaired; the ear plugs have
the micro-speakers factory imbedded, so its seperate from the helmet! Your
helmet can be passive noise canceling, and you further have standard ear
plugs. Would seem this would cut down the most noise for those already on
the road to becoming deaf...it looked pretty slick, I don't know the
manufacturer?
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| Subject: | Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution |
Corrections :
Are you a dues paying member? (Didn't have my glasses on)
____________________________________
From: cjpilot710
Sent: 11/10/2007 4:02:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
Mark,
Are you dies paying member?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/10/2007 2:55:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yakplt@yahoo.com writes:
Yes Drew, you provided me with a lot of material that I found of
interest and value. Some of which your own members did not quite
believe was accurate, so it was a wake-up call for everyone. I took
your advice (actually against my better judgment) and wrote a formal
letter to RPA as per your recommendation. I'm still waiting for even an
acknowledgement of its receipt let alone an answer to the
question/request. No big deal... Patience is a virtue.
The YAK list is a valuable tool and I agree, it is sometimes human
nature to enjoy debate in all of its forms. As long as it does not get
too personal, I consider such debate to be in the best interests of all
involved. As you know, this is the YAK LIST and discussing an
organization that flies and supports Russian aircraft seems to me to be
WELL within the bounds of "normalcy", especially when you include the
constant remarks made on this list by RPA members discussing RPA recent
events that they have attended. Remember the near mid-air discussion?
Another good example.
The "Flight Suit" issue over the years has not only been limited to
requests for the RPA to change their rules, but has also morphed into
interesting, and sometimes even heated debates on the actual worth of
certain types of safety equipment that are used in and around aircraft.
Over the history of this issue, a lot of people have been bored, a lot
have become angry, but all of us... Every one of us, has learned
something that they did not know originally in the process. In my heart,
I sincerely believe that to be a true statement.
I can understand that you might prefer all discussion and debate of
certain RPA rules/regs/policies be conducted in private and through
official RPA communication channels, but to be honest while that might
be in the best interests of the RPA, I do not consider it to be in the
best interests of General Aviation in total, and those that fly
formation (or want to) specifically. Further, if you will look closely,
my postings have all been REPLIES, not originations.
Drew, you have the right to form your own opinions about any rule or
policy that you want to, regardless of whether it applies to airplanes,
motorcycles or lawnmowers. More power to you. Like the old saying goes:
"I may not agree with that you say, but I will support to the death your
right to say it".
What strikes me as interesting is that now you seem to no longer be
questioning my point of view, but rather whether it is "appropriate" to
express my views here in the first place rather/versus more "official
channels".
Of course I could be wrong.
Mark Bitterlich
----- Original Message ----
From: Drew <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 5:18:45 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits, leathers and conflict resolution
Mark,
Just to clarify, I believe I provided you the policy vie email that was
retained from the YPA in it's modified form that is posted online at the website
- the RPA vice president is David McGirt.
Again, my advice is to communicate this issue through _admin@flyredstar.org_
(mailto:admin@flyredstar.org) , as I've seen you have done, and so should
others with opinions that they feel need to be heard on this issue!! The yak
list, although a valuable tool, tends to express the human tendancy to enjoy
conflict.
I just got back from Kieth Codes california superbike school, we all had to
wear his type of leathers, even after signing multiple hold harmless letters
that he had no responsibility for our personal well being if we highsided in
a turn, but the clothing had no wiggle room, no biker leathers, no
breathable fabrics except dead cow zippered or one piece, armored, including racing
boots and what not...he wasn't paying my medical bills for face slapping the
pavement, and in the desert, its hot...
...And you can imagine, I didn't question it - I was just thankful that so
many talented folks put together such an awsome program, and I had an
opportunity to learn from the best around, btw, I recommend it highly to any rider
of
sport, touring or cruiser...many lessons apply track to street.
I'm sure this will get discussed by those at admin - again, if anyone else
feels strongly about it, they should also write _admin@flyredstar.org_
(mailto:admin@flyredstar.org)
Now about those helmets, smoke systems, valve clearances, monoxide
levels....
Drew
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
____________________________________
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| Subject: | RE: Communication Ear Protection - C.E.P |
Drew, et al
The HGU-68/P is my choice of helmet also. Work great for us over 6' tall as
the one-hand-operation knob is left of center and saves almost 2" of canopy
clearance vs. the HGU 33.
The hearing device you mentioned is the C.E.P (Communication Ear
Protection). This device is common with Helicopter pilots and as far as I
am concerned is superior to the ANR. The ANR "cancels" the low frequency
range but all the noise still hits the ear drum. The ANR does not provide
any enhance passive noise reduction over the helmet's existing insulation.
The CEP is a neat and simple solution that works so well in my CJ. A simple
pig tail wire is attached to one of the helmet earphone (in parallel) and
than splits to a "Y" that have a transducer embedded in an ear plug that is
made of the same material as standard foam earplugs that you roll between
your fingers and place in the ear opening. This foam provides a very
efficient Passive Noise Reduction while the audio is ported right into your
ear canal (the foam earplug is hollow in the center to allow the audio to go
directly to your ear drum). Works amazingly well and provides better noise
protection (30db). Also, I don't need to set the radio or intercom volume
to max and I do not need another power plug (as with the ANR) and you can
fly in any aircraft again, without needing a power socket or drag your
battery pack...
You can log on to the manufacturer's web site to get the details and to
order one, if you wish. Cost is around $120.
www.cep-usa.com/index.htm
FWIW,
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Gas and helmet choice
After checking out the HGU/68P helmet, I'm getting one and paying for it
through the savings made by using autogas in the 285...
Thanks Craig and Brian,
PS: Sam Sax has a new device for the hearing impaired; the ear plugs have
the micro-speakers factory imbedded, so its seperate from the helmet! Your
helmet can be passive noise canceling, and you further have standard ear
plugs. Would seem this would cut down the most noise for those already on
the road to becoming deaf...it looked pretty slick, I don't know the
manufacturer?
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