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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 02:38 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 03:31 AM - Gasolines and modern engines (Craig Payne)
4. 04:45 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Stephen Fox)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
8. 06:39 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (David McGirt)
9. 06:52 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Genzlinger, Reade)
10. 07:37 AM - Oil sample frequency (MarkWDavis)
11. 07:53 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (Forrest Johnson)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 08:33 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (Jon Boede)
14. 08:34 AM - Carbon Bon Bons (Brians post) (Drew)
15. 08:45 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (Dave Laird)
16. 08:52 AM - Yaks and enignes in Russia (Richard Goode)
17. 10:36 AM - Re: Gasolines and modern engines (Brian Lloyd)
18. 10:55 AM - Re: Carbon Bon Bons (Brians post) (Brian Lloyd)
19. 11:53 AM - Re: Oil sample frequency (Doug Sapp)
20. 12:26 PM - Re: Oil sample frequency (Bill Tally)
21. 12:53 PM - Re: Oil sample frequency (Mark Davis)
22. 02:17 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
23. 02:54 PM - Re: Oil sample frequency (Craig Payne)
24. 05:10 PM - Found Cracked Main Gear Axle on CJ. (Tryon)
25. 06:01 PM - Comet Holmes (cjpilot710@aol.com)
26. 08:27 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
27. 08:42 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (xiaobao)
28. 11:14 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Shinden33)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
Scott,
Two good free internet web sites to use are Skyvectors.com and Airnav.com
Airnav is good for route planning. Very easy to use just make sure you ask
it use only the airports it has received fuel reports with-in the last 30
days. A lot of airports these days are reporting their fuel prices to Airnav
on
a regular bases. It will give up to 10 routes than you can take you pick.
Skyvectors is great for en-route. Before takeoff you can check weather,
bearing and distance, that is presented over a sectional chart display. Simples
are presented over weather reporting station and the detailed report with a
forecast at some station, will show up when you run the cursor over them.
One that requires a subscription ($25./yr) that is very good for detailed
planning (best altitudes for wind, weather, icing, etc ) is weathermiester.com.
Might be over kill for the Yak but it is an excellent preflight planner.
I use all the above regularly- even for short little flights (skyvectors).
Get your self a good seat cushion between you and the chute. Take water and
a candy bar and stop and smell the roses now and than. Don't push it!
You're going to have a ball!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/14/2007 1:02:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
shinden33@earthlink.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)
I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
PS. Make sure you GPS data base is up to date and take two.
In a message dated 11/14/2007 5:32:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
Scott,
Two good free internet web sites to use are Skyvectors.com and Airnav.com
Airnav is good for route planning. Very easy to use just make sure you ask
it use only the airports it has received fuel reports with-in the last 30
days. A lot of airports these days are reporting their fuel prices to Airnav
on
a regular bases. It will give up to 10 routes than you can take you pick.
Skyvectors is great for en-route. Before takeoff you can check weather,
bearing and distance, that is presented over a sectional chart display. Simples
are presented over weather reporting station and the detailed report with a
forecast at some station, will show up when you run the cursor over them.
One that requires a subscription ($25./yr) that is very good for detailed
planning (best altitudes for wind, weather, icing, etc ) is weathermiester.com.
Might be over kill for the Yak but it is an excellent preflight planner.
I use all the above regularly- even for short little flights (skyvectors).
Get your self a good seat cushion between you and the chute. Take water and
a candy bar and stop and smell the roses now and than. Don't push it!
You're going to have a ball!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/14/2007 1:02:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
shinden33@earthlink.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)
I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
after Thanksgiving stop over and say sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE
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| Subject: | Gasolines and modern engines |
Brian wrote:
>
>
> My gut feeling is, if "higher quality" gasoline had a lot more C=C
> (double) bonds (and therefore more energy), we would have to readjust
> our carburetors when we switch fuel in order to get a proper mixture.
> Since we don't ...
>
Brain, oops, er ah Brian. Sure hate to see you lose sleep over gasoline chemistry.
For modern auto engines, the engine's sensors and computer adjust the engine
to whatever energy level is required. Since the computer is programmable, we
now have multi-fuel engines that "adjust" to preset limits based on what effective
energy is being realized. I have one of those E85/no-lead 87 octane engines
in my truck.
The Huosai carb has a variety of fuel and air jets to make manual adjustments as
well as a cockpit "mixture" lever that often gets neglected by the guy in the
cockpit. The M-14P automates this somewhat with a ground adjustable aneroid
chamber that autoleans...WW-II technology.
Now concentrate on a full FADEC system for the Huosai/M-14P and you will have something
worthy of losing sleep over :<)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
Scott,
When you get settled in PA, contact me off list and if you're interested, we
can discuss the new fuel bladders for the 52.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: yakworld1
www.yak-52.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> All,
>
> I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
> (L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
> hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
> proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
> turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
> anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra
> fuel)
> I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
> after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
For those that have not viewed this site, here is a excellent weather site.
http://www.usairnet.com/weather/
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> All,
>
> I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
> (L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
> hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
> proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
> turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
> anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra
> fuel)
> I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
> after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
As some one else with a short tank YAK, by the time Scott gets to PA
he going to wish he talked to you long before he left ;)
Scott, welcome to the East Coast. I will get Rob Mortara to add you
to the NE Raiders list so you know what's going on in the neighborhood.
Fly safe and avoid I-got-to-get- there-itis.
All the best,
POTUS
On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Scott,
> When you get settled in PA, contact me off list and if you're
> interested, we can discuss the new fuel bladders for the 52.
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is incase
you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started and expend
you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you have the
Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba yoke you can
make a adapter to service your air system.
Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are
going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure what
you use.
Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite for
me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a vest. Do
not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.
Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I have
not done that.
The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you just
sent on a ~1500nm XC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)
I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
If you need a Scott bottle to Scuba adapter "just in case" to borrow, let me
know, would be glad to lend it for your trip.
David McGirt
YK 52 TW
On 11/14/07 9:25 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is incase
> you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started and expend
> you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you have the
> Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba yoke you can
> make a adapter to service your air system.
> Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are
> going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure what
> you use.
> Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite for
> me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a vest. Do
> not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.
> Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I have
> not done that.
> The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you just
> sent on a ~1500nm XC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> All,
>
> I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
> (L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
> hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
> proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
> turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA. If
> anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra fuel)
> I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the week
> after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Scott:
Are you relocating to PA? We're based at KDYL - Doylestown, PA. Give
me a call when your local.
As for CC - we've done the trip three times in the Yak (also stock
configuration) using 70% and 232 kph it took 15 fuel stops. Using ~60%
it was 13 fuel stops. At 70% I planned 167 nm legs and rode the tail
wind using the GPS to gauge which airport to stop at. There are
sections where you'll have to short hop simply because there aren't
enough airports. Call ahead to check fuel. We made one stop where they
were out of fuel - that's not good news in a stock Yak to say the least.
You really appreciate winds aloft after the 4th stop or so!
I've only done the Route 80 in the Yak. I did ferry a Wilga from CA to
PA using the southern route - Apple Valley, Tuscon, Las Crusas, to Rt.
40, etc. Flying up through White Sands was quite something - we were in
the VFR corridor and saw a missile launch! That was a SLOW trip.
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com
215.914.0370
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:58 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.
If
anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no extra
fuel)
I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your neighborhood the
week
after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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| Subject: | Oil sample frequency |
What's the recommended interval for pulling oil samples on an M-14P? My engine
has 550 hours and I'm sending in my first sample to get a baseline started.
Thanks,
Mark Davis
N44YK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145938#145938
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a
pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester.
Forrest
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>
> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I
> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter.
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>
> Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a
> pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester.
> Forrest
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>
>
>>
>> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I
>> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
$10.90 with shipping. I went with Dennis' answer. :-) :-) :-)
>From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:14:53 -0600
>
><dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter.
>http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1
>
>Dennis
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Johnson"
><flushjohnson@charter.net>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>
>
>><flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>
>>Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a
>>pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester.
>>Forrest
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM
>>Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>>
>>
>>>
>>>What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I
>>>have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Carbon Bon Bons (Brians post) |
Brian,
After speaking to several class rooms of high school kids on a career as an Air
Force officer and pilot with a part time volunteer staff position, and seeing
the total "deer in the head light" look at the mention of further education,
college or developing a curiosity for learning/education, it's impressive you
bother to attack such subjects, apparently out of the shear enjoyment of making
the unknown - known,
"BTW, I encourage someone to show me where I am wrong as I always am
looking to learn."
Brain, perhaps there is a chemical engineer/BBS or Forum you could also cut and
paste your arguments to as well? It may provide the extra (and focused) feedback
and analysis that is suitable to your quest?
Drew
Time: 09:11:48 AM PST US
From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: carbon bonds (was: mogas vs 100LL)
I hate it when something sticks in my head overnight. It means I am
not going to get a good night's sleep. (Yes, I do lose sleep over
stuff like this. Yes, I probably am crazy.)
The issue was the comment about higher grades of fuel having more
carbon-carbon bonds and therefore more energy. The Wikipedia article
I referenced, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating, also
alluded to that. OTOH I figured that if there was an appreciable
increase in C-C bonds there would be a shift in best stoichiometric
mixture when measured by mass ratio.
As a mental experiment I decided to trot out my old and rotten
chemistry memories to compare the two simplest organic compounds with
single and double carbon-carbon (c-c) bonds: ethane (C2H6) and ethene
(C2H4). Ethane has a single C-C bond and ethene has a double C=C
bond. Combusting ethene should release more energy than combusting an
equivalent mass of ethane. Here is what the two molecules look like:
Ethane:
H H
| |
H-C-C-H
| |
H H
Ethene:
H H
\ /
C=C
/ \
H H
When you have the double carbon bond you no longer have bonds for the
two extra hydrogens. This changes the combustion reaction from:
2(C2H6) + 7(O2) = 4(CO2) + 6(H2O) + energy
To:
C2H4 + 3(O2) = 2(CO2) + H2O + energy
The mass of ethane is 30gm/Mol. The mass of ethene is 28gm/Mol. The
mass of O2 is 32gm/Mol. So the oxidizer-to-fuel mass ratios for the
two reactions are:
7(32)/2(30) = 3.73 (for ethane)
3(32)/28 = 3.42 (for ethene)
This is a 9% difference in mass ratio. (I didn't include the N2 from
the atmosphere because, while it does change the individual mass
ratios, it does not effect the percentage difference at the end which
is what I was looking for.)
My gut feeling is, if "higher quality" gasoline had a lot more C=C
(double) bonds (and therefore more energy), we would have to readjust
our carburetors when we switch fuel in order to get a proper mixture.
Since we don't ...
BTW, I encourage someone to show me where I am wrong as I always am
looking to learn.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
Or if you don't want to fabricate your own:
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?
PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas (ADS)
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| Subject: | Yaks and enignes in Russia |
I have just returned from a trip to Russia, and people might be
interested in the following:
New 18Ts
Production of new 18Ts has started at Smolensk, and two aircraft have
been delivered to the Russian Ministry of Transport.
Price is US $600,000, although this does include 3-blade propellers
(metal Avia) and good avionics.
M14P engines are being made - some from old stock parts, but many new
stock parts are being made. Would you believe engine price for this
large order is US $65,000 per engine! Unfortunately this price was
accepted by the Russian Government and indeed pre-paid.
This has given the manufacturers the confidence that this is a
"real-world" price that they can obtain elsewhere. Clearly I pointed
out to them that this is not the case but it is difficult to argue!
Engine overhauls by Vedeneyev and VMP are continuing - and VMP have
overhauled 150 engines in 2007.
Their overhaul prices are increasing significantly, but they say that
this is justified by virtue of their inclusion of all new Service
Bulletins (there are several recent ones), and their ability to provide
totally new parts, where as other people are simply unable to do this.
Including the sixty engines for the new 18Ts, total production of new
engines is going to be 130. In addition there will be various spare
parts.
The M9F engine, as used by the Russian Aerobatic Team Sukhois, is
continuing, but with hand-built engines in very small quantities. We
have six further engines on order.
A major problem is that new magnetos or carburettors are being made, but
quite large supplies of these already exist, and moves are being made to
re-establish production.
If anyone wants more details please contact us directly.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Gasolines and modern engines |
On Nov 14, 2007, at 3:28 AM, Craig Payne wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> >
> > My gut feeling is, if "higher quality" gasoline had a lot more C=C
> > (double) bonds (and therefore more energy), we would have to
> readjust
> > our carburetors when we switch fuel in order to get a proper
> mixture.
> > Since we don't ...
> >
> Brain, oops, er ah Brian. Sure hate to see you lose sleep over
> gasoline chemistry. For modern auto engines, the engine's sensors
> and computer adjust the engine to whatever energy level is
> required. Since the computer is programmable, we now have multi-
> fuel engines that "adjust" to preset limits based on what effective
> energy is being realized. I have one of those E85/no-lead 87 octane
> engines in my truck.
Yes, I am aware of that but was focusing on the technology found in
our aircraft. And it isn't so much energy being released as just
ensuring a proper mixture, something the simple O2 sensor can do for us.
> The Huosai carb has a variety of fuel and air jets to make manual
> adjustments as well as a cockpit "mixture" lever that often gets
> neglected by the guy in the cockpit. The M-14P automates this
> somewhat with a ground adjustable aneroid chamber that
> autoleans...WW-II technology.
Yes, but you will note that the setup and adjustment procedures for
the carb on a flow bench do not change their settings and procedures
for different grades of gasoline.
> Now concentrate on a full FADEC system for the Huosai/M-14P and you
> will have something worthy of losing sleep over :<)
It isn't hard to do. I have been experimenting with various
microcontrollers and a FADEC would be relatively simple. I just don't
think that there is a big enough market to justify its development. I
would rather spend time in the air moving levers (well, some levers)
than on the ground moving bits.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Bon Bons (Brians post) |
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Drew wrote:
>
>
> Brian,
>
> After speaking to several class rooms of high school kids on a
> career as an Air Force officer and pilot with a part time volunteer
> staff position, and seeing the total "deer in the head light" look
> at the mention of further education, college or developing a
> curiosity for learning/education, it's impressive you bother to
> attack such subjects, apparently out of the shear enjoyment of
> making the unknown - known,
Thank you Drew. I am now teaching science to 4th-8th grade students
at a private school. I have them designing and building catapults,
robots, radios, and even fuel cells. The "deer-in-the-headlights"
problem you allude to may be laid firmly at the feet of our abortion
of an education system. By getting the kids early enough and showing
them that it is FUN to make and understand even complex things, I
hope to offset the damage that the public school system is going to
do to them later.
Just the other day I had a 5th grade girl ask me a question that
indicated that she sees and understands the questions that lead from
Michael Faraday's empirical work in electricity and magnetism, to
James Clerk Maxwell's theoretical work on electromagnetic waves, work
that led to the creation of radio. It tickles me no end when I see
the light bulb go on like that.
When you stop "dumbing down" this stuff, they just eat it up,
especially when they get to DO something with it. It is a kick to see
kids this age writing software, soldering, putting up antennas,
tracking satellites, reading weather charts, etc. Several even know
how to use an E6B now. (I use it as a tool to demonstrate ratios and
proportions.)
>
> "BTW, I encourage someone to show me where I am wrong as I always am
> looking to learn."
> Brain, perhaps there is a chemical engineer/BBS or Forum you could
> also cut and paste your arguments to as well? It may provide the
> extra (and focused) feedback and analysis that is suitable to your
> quest?
Perhaps I will, in my copious free time. ;-) The school is currently
eating about 60 hours/week of my time.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Oil sample frequency |
About, oil analysis:
Which outfit does the best job, do they have the info specifically about
the HS6A and the M14P, or are they just looking for "metal"? The shop
we used (years ago) for our 4 and 6 cly Lyc's had all the factory info
about the types of metal used in the engine so when a specific metal
type showed up the report would come back with a recommendation that
might say to look at the bearings in the mag drive in the accessory
section. Or it might say that the metal found was wrist pin cap
material. This is of much more help than "we found steel particles in
your oil". Can any one out there tell me which service is the best
for our engines? Who do you use?
Always Yakin,
Doug
MarkWDavis wrote:
>
>What's the recommended interval for pulling oil samples on an M-14P? My engine
has 550 hours and I'm sending in my first sample to get a baseline started.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark Davis
>N44YK
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145938#145938
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil sample frequency |
I send a sample after every oil change (25-hour intervals) to Blackstone Labs: http://www.blackstone-labs.com/aircraft.html
I'm pleased with their reports, which are detailed, personalized and helpful. They
seemed to understand radial engines and were familiar with the M-14P. It
costs $22.50, but the peace of mind is worth it to me. No, oil analysis is not
a crystal ball and it's certainly not infallible, but it provides useful information,
especially after a baseline is established.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146011#146011
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| Subject: | Re: Oil sample frequency |
Doug,
I use the AOA (Aviation Oil Analysis) kits. No idea if they have any
specific knowledge of the M-14P though. My plan is to do one every 100
hours and watch for changes.
Thanks,
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil sample frequency
>
> About, oil analysis:
> Which outfit does the best job, do they have the info specifically about
> the HS6A and the M14P, or are they just looking for "metal"? The shop we
> used (years ago) for our 4 and 6 cly Lyc's had all the factory info about
> the types of metal used in the engine so when a specific metal type showed
> up the report would come back with a recommendation that might say to look
> at the bearings in the mag drive in the accessory section. Or it might
> say that the metal found was wrist pin cap material. This is of much more
> help than "we found steel particles in your oil". Can any one out
> there tell me which service is the best for our engines? Who do you
> use?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug
>
> MarkWDavis wrote:
>
>>
>>What's the recommended interval for pulling oil samples on an M-14P? My
>>engine has 550 hours and I'm sending in my first sample to get a baseline
>>started.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mark Davis
>>N44YK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145938#145938
>>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the airports I remember
going into were:
Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)
Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)
Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)
Gallup NM (Spent the night. Lots of Indians!)
Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed down to take a look
at me)
Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg without stopping
here.)
Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's, lots of wind)
29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you want, honor system...
Amazing)
Ramona Ca (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski, Russian Master Mechanic)
Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was just enough for about
one emergency start.
Concur with the SARSAT. I also carried a .45 with about 100 rounds, and
a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:25
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is
incase you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started
and expend you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you
have the Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba
yoke you can make a adapter to service your air system.
Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are
going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure
what you use.
Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite
for me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a
vest. Do not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.
Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I
have not done that.
The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you
just sent on a ~1500nm XC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.
If anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no
extra fuel) I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your
neighborhood the week after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Oil sample frequency |
I sample with each oil change at 50 hour intervals, and change the oil filter also.
I now have oil filter/mount "kits" available for CJ's and the Murphy Moose
on my web site. I would like to see if there is any room on the Yak firewall
for my Moose Kit. After seeing how an oil filter on "Pappy's" CJ saved his bacon
some years back, I am a believer.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Found Cracked Main Gear Axle on CJ. |
Two things...
-- First, I need a Main Gear Axle for a CJ if anyone has one they want to
sell, new or used.. This was the Left Main, so it has "Right hand thread"
for the retaining nut.. I wouldn't be afraid to use the other one in that
side since the nut is secured with a bolt/locknut anyway.. you can call me
at 770-712-5909 or email to tryon@aviator.org
-- Second I wan't to let everyone know that the crack was found after
removal of a very difficult stuck bearing , during annual condition
inspection. the crack was partially under the race and just out from the
flange of the outer dust seal. This was the large outer bearing. I removed
the lower gear leg and pressed out the axle taper pin, then pressed out the
axle. both came out fairly easily.. no heat needed. Further inspection
(NDT) showed the crack went completley around the axle, though most visible
in the front leading edge half. the rest looked like stretch or a rub..
I don't think the crack was any result of the bearing being stuck on the
axle, but just metal stress over time from an unknown # of landings and the
brake pulling on it too.. who knows..
As far as getting the worn out bearing and race off the axle, "this was the
trick.." the rollers and the cage pretty much came off easily as it was
badly worn.. this left the inner race stuck on the axle... I got the entire
brake assy. off and out of the way,, and was reluctant to use the torch to
heat it for safety reasons... too much gas overhead...
tried the puller only to break the flange of the bearing.. So I got a
bearing seperator "Snap -On PN# CJ950" or any 2" to 2 1/4" bearing seperator
will work.. I machined an aluminum plug to go in the axle end to pull
against protecting the axle (not knowing it was cracked). then made a
puller out of two long 3/8" bolts that fit the holes in the bearing clamp
and a piece of steel channel drilled with three holes center hole pinned
to the axle bushing . It generally came right off. just pull evenly with the
bolts.. That's all folks.. I'll try to post pictures of the crack later
if anyone is interrested..
Thanks,, Tryon..
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You guys want to see a comet?
You can just barley see the comet Holmes at this time. With an ordinary set
of binoculars you'll get an excellent view.
Right now its in the constellation Perseus very near the center star
Melotte. Can't find Perseus or Melotte? Draw a stright line between Polaris
(North
star) and the Pleiades (a tight group of 6 stars). About 6/10 on the way to
the Pleiades, you'll see Melotte slightly above the line. If you're looking
to the NE in the early evening, the comet will be below and left not quite a
finger width away. Right now its looks like a fuzz ball with just the
barest of a tail that you can only see with binoculars. Later it'll get a tail.
Right now it can just be seen with the necked eye.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
I was not going to say anything about my 9mm with hollow points and two 14
shot clips! Concur with the handheld VHF (I carry a PRC 90 in my vest
pocket) along with all the other survival stuff. Flares (day and night),
whistle, signal mirror, magnesium striker fire starter, thermal blanket(that
is the bulky part) tucked in the back pouch, flashlight, water in aluminum
pouches, Iodine tablets, Ziploc plastic bags, fishing line with some hooks,
extra AA batteries, and hi protein energy bars. That is the contents of my
survival vest. Thought about an MRE but that really would be bulky.
Most of this stuff can be found at West Marine. The vest was an old one I
got from a Army Navy store. I had the inside line on the sale of some of our
old vests that were sold as surplus after we converted to a modular survival
vest.
The GPS handheld and or panel mounted is a given. Well maybe not but....
Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a fight
that has anything less than a 4 in it. Those hollow points can do some
serious damage judging from a couple deer that were shot with them along
with one cotton mouth! I am currently looking for the "the Judge". A .410 6
shooter. It also will fire .45 rounds. The manufacturer has a 4 mo back log
of orders. That is a serious home protection weapon. Blows a 12 in diameter
hole in the target at 25 yards. Just an aside on my dream handgun.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the airports I remember
going into were:
Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)
Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)
Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)
Gallup NM (Spent the night. Lots of Indians!)
Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed down to take a look
at me)
Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg without stopping
here.)
Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's, lots of wind)
29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you want, honor system...
Amazing)
Ramona Ca (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski, Russian Master Mechanic)
Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was just enough for about
one emergency start.
Concur with the SARSAT. I also carried a .45 with about 100 rounds, and
a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:25
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is
incase you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started
and expend you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you
have the Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba
yoke you can make a adapter to service your air system.
Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are
going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure
what you use.
Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite
for me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a
vest. Do not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.
Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I
have not done that.
The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you
just sent on a ~1500nm XC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.
If anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no
extra fuel) I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your
neighborhood the week after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
>>..............a pickup truck <<
.... flatbed ford, was it?
--- "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the
> airports I remember
> going into were:
>
> Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)
> Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)
> Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)
> Gallup NM (Spent the night. Lots of Indians!)
> Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed
> down to take a look
> at me)
> Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg
> without stopping
> here.)
> Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's,
> lots of wind)
> 29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you
> want, honor system...
> Amazing)
> Ramona Ca (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski,
> Russian Master Mechanic)
>
> Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was
> just enough for about
> one emergency start.
> Concur with the SARSAT. I also carried a .45 with
> about 100 rounds, and
> a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:25
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along
> that route. That is
> incase you do something like leave your air on or
> can't get her started
> and expend you air. Do you have an adapter for your
> air system? Do you
> have the Schrader conversion? If so and you have the
> stage one scuba
> yoke you can make a adapter to service your air
> system.
> Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per
> hour. Not all FBO's are
> going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or
> Phillips. Not sure
> what you use.
> Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT
> would be a definite
> for me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be
> struck easily in a
> vest. Do not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or
> not.
> Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell
> you about that. I
> have not done that.
> The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are
> definitely going to tell you
> just sent on a ~1500nm XC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Shinden33
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> <shinden33@earthlink.net>
>
> All,
>
> I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross
> country from Rosamond, CA
> (L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure
> is on 26 November
> hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following
> weekend. My current
> proposed course is taking the southern route through
> AZ, NM, TX, OK then
> turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally
> through Ohio into PA.
> If anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak
> (that's right - no
> extra fuel) I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo
> -52 in your
> neighborhood the week after Thanksgiving stop over
> and say hi!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
WOW! Thanks for all the gouge and invites guys & gals.
The websites will come in handy. I'm definitely going to take the southern
route - probably I40ish at least into TX.
I have a panel mount GPS but am planning on bringing a handheld as a backup.
I'm old fashioned and am taking paper charts as well.
Sorry folks, think I'm going to pass on the weaponry. If I get into that
kind of situation I've got bigger problems.
Water = Camelback. Camelbacks fit nicely behind the left shoulder so you can
even get to the H20 hose (and in some cases the pockets) in flight. They
will also hold a nice amount of energy bars, etc.
I'm looking at getting a pony SCUBA bottle for the trip. Anyone know where
I can get a 1st stage regulator cheap??? I have a adapter for my air system
but it doesn't have the Schrader valve. It just has an AN fitting.
The plan right now is ~130Nm legs to start and see how things go from there.
Day 1 (partial day) will be from L00 to Big Bear, to Parker AZ finally to
Deer Valley.
Flying with chutes and lots of memory foam.
See ya'll out there.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I went west on 40 in Mary Alexanders Yak-50, and the airports I remember
going into were:
Shamrock Tx (A REAL lonely place)
Tucumcari NM (really friendly folks)
Double Eagle NM (LONG runway, pretty busy)
Gallup NM (Spent the night. Lots of Indians!)
Winslow Az (Where this girl in a pickup truck slowed down to take a look
at me)
Flagstaff Az (Just couldn't quite handle another leg without stopping
here.)
Kingman Az (Lots of dead airlines, lots of T-28's, lots of wind)
29 Palms Ca (No one there, buy fuel, take what you want, honor system...
Amazing)
Ramona Ca (Say hello to Vladimir Yastremski, Russian Master Mechanic)
Carried a really nifty small scuba bottle that was just enough for about
one emergency start.
Concur with the SARSAT. I also carried a .45 with about 100 rounds, and
a hand held VHF radio and TWO hand held GPS's.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:25
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Plan 150 nm legs and find fellow YAK owners along that route. That is
incase you do something like leave your air on or can't get her started
and expend you air. Do you have an adapter for your air system? Do you
have the Schrader conversion? If so and you have the stage one scuba
yoke you can make a adapter to service your air system.
Oil obviously is the other issue at 1 liter per hour. Not all FBO's are
going to carry 100 wt oil if you use Aeroshell or Phillips. Not sure
what you use.
Survival gear would be another thought. A SARSat ELT would be a definite
for me, flares, and thermal blanket that could be struck easily in a
vest. Do not know if you plan to fly with a Chute or not.
Others that have taken the Mountain routes can tell you about that. I
have not done that.
The rest, have fun. Your but and knees are definitely going to tell you
just sent on a ~1500nm XC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shinden33
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All,
I am (finally) planning on flying my -52 cross country from Rosamond, CA
(L00) to Collegeville, PA (N10). Planned Departure is on 26 November
hopefully arriving in PA sometime the following weekend. My current
proposed course is taking the southern route through AZ, NM, TX, OK then
turning north towards Louisville, KY and finally through Ohio into PA.
If anyone has any pointers on taking a stock Yak (that's right - no
extra fuel) I'm all ears. If you see a desert camo -52 in your
neighborhood the week after Thanksgiving stop over and say hi!
Scott
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