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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Jan Mevis)
2. 06:08 AM - SE Region AYS clinic (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
4. 09:23 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (Forrest Johnson)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 10:34 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 11:17 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Sarah Tobin)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: Compression Test Plug (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 03:26 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Jan Mevis)
11. 03:34 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (DaBear)
12. 04:13 PM - LED replacement lamps (Cliff Coy)
13. 04:54 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
14. 05:21 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
15. 06:15 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 06:41 PM - Congrats! (Craig Payne)
17. 08:50 PM - Re: LED replacement lamps (Jon Boede)
18. 09:38 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (fish@aviation-tech.com)
19. 09:53 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
20. 09:54 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (fish@aviation-tech.com)
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | SE Region AYS clinic |
Troops,
If you guys have not signed up yet for the Jan 24 to 27 Formation Clinic at
Waycross (AYS), better start making your plans.
Head to the web RPA site and sign there.
Our guest speaker(s) for the banquet on Saturday night will be:
1. Major General (Ret.) Frederick "Boots" Blesse
You real fighter pilots know him. For us want-a bees, he shot down 10
MiGs in Korea. Wrote the definitive book on fighter tactics "No Guts-No
Glory".
2. ??? Want to keep this a secret UNTIL we know he's coming. He too will
be Double Ace.
Does that wet your 'bagges'. :)
Shane Golden and the guys are planning a little something different from
last year, which I believe will be little demanding of everyone. Also we're
going to have to practice some "line abreast" formations for the OSH 08 show.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Cliff,
A couple of reasons for the standardized weapons. The AF carries Berreta
9mm
and M-16 as primary. Ammunition standardization and parts
standardization.
Also for control of arms entering and exiting theater. Go figure. We
can=92t
keep up with who we gave them to in large quantities right now.
But that is the reason they refused my carrying my Browning. The Brits
and
NATO used it as their standard issue at the time and the Berreta was new
to
our inventory.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies
C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was
only
allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I
wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ;
it
appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your
experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the
reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts
for
at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop
guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind
> of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as
> yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
Didn't know where to buy one. Please advise.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter.
> http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>
>
>> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>
>> Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a
>> pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester.
>> Forrest
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>>
>>
>>>
>>> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I
>>> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am
not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots
in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated
and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse
to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has
enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction
in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON
violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that
not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not
believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only
ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are
supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And
if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather
dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you
are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available
in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load
data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for
its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a
few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long
as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the
FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
>Brian said: "Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?"
Because the ammo is lighter, the gun can carry 16 rounds with one in the chamber,
and our military has adopted the Berreta 92 as the standard issue firearm...
Why did they do that? Because people are stupid and have to continually learn
the same lessons over and over again.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 19:53
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind
> of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as
> yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis,
I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is
"Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone
from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to
prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so
recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them
knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore
the safety of privately made or owned weapons. Don't try to argue with these
rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if ever works with any military
branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is still
issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the right
people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know
his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check
your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not
legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s.
I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to
carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry
my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable
to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered
such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the
time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind
> of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as
> yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Yeah, was is really funny is that we are issued 9 mm in the AF, but on my Jet,
they throw only a couple of them in a locked trunk in the back and only one person
has the key, hope that person makes it in the crash and better give me one
of the pistols, don't trust the other 30 of my friends, they might want my MRE
and and shoot me over it, haha.
"netmaster15@juno.com" <netmaster15@juno.com> wrote: Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s.
I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed
to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to
carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be
acceptable to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered
such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for
at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind
> of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as
> yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Test Plug |
Click on the link below. Or go to Aircraft Tool Supply and do a search for
"14 mm". You find it there.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>
> Didn't know where to buy one. Please advise.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>
>
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter.
>> http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>>
>>
>>> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>>
>>> Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a
>>> pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester.
>>> Forrest
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I
>>>> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Glock 20C (10mm) when I like to carry the plastic weapon... or the
delta-elite (10mm) when I like the 1911 version.
Dabear
Jorgen Nielsen wrote:
>
> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
> available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
> also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
> bought it for its simplicity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
> have a few. I think you'd love them.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
>
>> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
>> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
>>
>
> I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
> long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
>
> But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
> the FBI favors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
>
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| Subject: | LED replacement lamps |
Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive.
These directly replace the green & red gears lamps in the Yak-52 without
fuddling around with making something else work.
They're $15 ea (4X the cost of a standard lamp).
Yes, they're expensive...but they won't ever blow out either....
Cheers
Cliff
(Yes, I read the FAQ about advertising...;-)
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
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Swanton, VT 05488
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802-868-4465 FAX
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs,
armorers, and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all,
it is not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice
in the AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular
basis, I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it
is "Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING
anyone from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these
orders is to prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important
since wars even so recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to
be armed without them knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of
the quality and there-fore the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely
if ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know
the right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted
to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to
know his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him
check your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as
authorized. Not legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies
C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only
allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I
wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it
appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your
experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the
reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for
at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind
> of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as
> yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to
kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And using
my
Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot (30.06) (one at
325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to carry something l
ike
the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue years ago. I mean like yo
u
need only a bird or rabbit to get you though. Right?
That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest Service
guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14' tall (12'6"
at
the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the bear fell. Still
alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its head. This bear's pa
ws
were bigger than this guys chest. It is the biggest grizzly on record.
They later found the remains of a hiker that the bear had kill a few day
earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to Alaska
(yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full automati
c
pistol?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. Tha
t
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten.
I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of thi
s
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one als
o
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states
,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old fro
m
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Congratulations to our own Jim "Pappy" Goolsby for being awarded Warbirds of America
Command Wings. This achievement is earned by flying in 20 EAA Warbird events
and 500+ hours in civilian warbirds. Even though one may have flown 4 or
5 daily airshows at AirVenture 2007, it counts as 1 event, etc.
Pappy's warbird time includes over 1200 hours in his CJ, B-24 Captain, B-17, B-25,
C-47, and it goes on from there. His 23,000 hours of airline time doesn't
count.
While a number of us RedStars hold Senior Warbird Aviator wings, Pappy is our first
guy (I know of) to achieve this level. Command Wings are the mark of highest
flying participation with the Warbirds and brings respect not just for Jim,
but to all of RedStars for years of effort in doing what we do.
Just wait until next year, we are going to have a great time with the Oshkosh 50
CJ's (Yaks invited too)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | LED replacement lamps |
I think if you're hawking your own wares, that's advertising. If you've fo
und something you like and you mention it here, that's called "sharing".
What's the URL for the lamps you bought, Cliff?> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:
08:45 -0500> From: cliff@gesoco.com> Subject: Yak-List: LED replacement lam
<cliff@gesoco.com>> > Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive.> These
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Clif,
In 2003/04 when I was flying as a Flight Engineer on C-130's
out of Quatar (into Iraq, Afganistan, Pakastan and Jabouty)
we carried the M-9 (Berrata 92F, pop gun).
Fly Safe
John Fischer
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From: "netmaster15@juno.com" <netmaster15@juno.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> Doc or Brian,
> My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his
> Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side
> arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry
> standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I
> wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had
> since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the
> present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU
> encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ?
> Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid
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> -- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
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> Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier
> to get parts for at the time as we were converting from
> S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
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> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
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> On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
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> > Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >
> > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would
> > recommend it over every other weapon to carry on a cross
> > country. No question. I would be hard put to not bring
> > along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel kind
> > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun,
> > probably the same as
> > yours Doc! :-)
>
> Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Don=92t know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army
snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and
you
have stopping power.
Can=92t believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding
on
trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide
backing
them up with a 7 mm Mag auto.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot
to
kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And
using
my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot (30.06)
(one
at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to carry
something
like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue years ago. I mean
like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though. Right?
That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest
Service
guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14' tall
(12'6"
at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the bear fell.
Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its head. This
bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the biggest grizzly
on
record. They later found the remains of a hiker that the bear had kill
a
few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
Alaska
(yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full
automatic pistol?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid
in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested.
That
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some
of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than
waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly
modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy,
the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic
(Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town
where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the
city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan,
collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are
forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot
of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution
is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of
this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of
them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one
also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same
states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves
from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe,
the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not
have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old
from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no
ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service.
I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for
as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W
round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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Brian,
The government is afraid we may actually hurt someone if
they gave us a real gun.
I was going to buy a compact Glock .40 Cal today, but they
were sold out. I carry a .45 cal Glock (Model 21) at work
and love it, but I need something smaller for off duty
(concealed carry).
Fly Safe
John Fischer
California City, CA
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>
> > Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >
> > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would
> > recommend it over every other weapon to carry on a cross
> > country. No question. I would be hard put to not bring
> > along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel kind
> > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun,
> > probably the same as
> > yours Doc! :-)
>
> Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA
> 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788
> (fax)
>
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