---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/16/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:44 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Jan Mevis) 2. 06:08 AM - SE Region AYS clinic (cjpilot710@aol.com) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp) 4. 09:23 AM - Re: Compression Test Plug (Forrest Johnson) 5. 10:12 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 7. 10:34 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 8. 11:17 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Sarah Tobin) 9. 12:46 PM - Re: Compression Test Plug (A. Dennis Savarese) 10. 03:26 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Jan Mevis) 11. 03:34 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (DaBear) 12. 04:13 PM - LED replacement lamps (Cliff Coy) 13. 04:54 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp) 14. 05:21 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp) 15. 06:15 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (cjpilot710@aol.com) 16. 06:41 PM - Congrats! (Craig Payne) 17. 08:50 PM - Re: LED replacement lamps (Jon Boede) 18. 09:38 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (fish@aviation-tech.com) 19. 09:53 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp) 20. 09:54 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (fish@aviation-tech.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:02 AM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:32 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: SE Region AYS clinic Troops, If you guys have not signed up yet for the Jan 24 to 27 Formation Clinic at Waycross (AYS), better start making your plans. Head to the web RPA site and sign there. Our guest speaker(s) for the banquet on Saturday night will be: 1. Major General (Ret.) Frederick "Boots" Blesse You real fighter pilots know him. For us want-a bees, he shot down 10 MiGs in Korea. Wrote the definitive book on fighter tactics "No Guts-No Glory". 2. ??? Want to keep this a secret UNTIL we know he's coming. He too will be Double Ace. Does that wet your 'bagges'. :) Shane Golden and the guys are planning a little something different from last year, which I believe will be little demanding of everyone. Also we're going to have to practice some "line abreast" formations for the OSH 08 show. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:55 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Cliff, A couple of reasons for the standardized weapons. The AF carries Berreta 9mm and M-16 as primary. Ammunition standardization and parts standardization. Also for control of arms entering and exiting theater. Go figure. We can=92t keep up with who we gave them to in large quantities right now. But that is the reason they refused my carrying my Browning. The Brits and NATO used it as their standard issue at the time and the Berreta was new to our inventory. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Doc or Brian, My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid -- "Roger Kemp" wrote: Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would > be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel > kind > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the > same as > yours Doc! :-) Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . =C2=97 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5======================== ========================n bsp; (And Get Some AWESO -Matt Dralle, List======================= =; - The Yak-List Email Fo======================== bsp; &n======================== ================ _____________________________________________________________ Apply now for a Discover Card! 0% intro APR on Balance Transfers. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:15 AM PST US From: "Forrest Johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug Didn't know where to buy one. Please advise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug > > > Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter. > http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1 > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Forrest Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug > > >> >> >> Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a >> pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester. >> Forrest >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jon Boede" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM >> Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug >> >> >>> >>> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I >>> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid. Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:33 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" >Brian said: "Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?" Because the ammo is lighter, the gun can carry 16 rounds with one in the chamber, and our military has adopted the Berreta 92 as the standard issue firearm... Why did they do that? Because people are stupid and have to continually learn the same lessons over and over again. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 19:53 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would > be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel > kind > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the > same as > yours Doc! :-) Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis, I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations. There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is "Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore the safety of privately made or owned weapons. Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter. So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to! That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not legal really... But things like that happen all the time. Mark Bitterlich USMC Ret. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Doc or Brian, My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid -- "Roger Kemp" wrote: Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would > be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel > kind > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the > same as > yours Doc! :-) Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5================================================nbsp; (And Get Some AWESO -Matt Dralle, List========================; - The Yak-List Email Fo========================bsp; &n======================================== _____________________________________________________________ Apply now for a Discover Card! 0% intro APR on Balance Transfers. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:20 AM PST US From: Sarah Tobin Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Yeah, was is really funny is that we are issued 9 mm in the AF, but on my Jet, they throw only a couple of them in a locked trunk in the back and only one person has the key, hope that person makes it in the crash and better give me one of the pistols, don't trust the other 30 of my friends, they might want my MRE and and shoot me over it, haha. "netmaster15@juno.com" wrote: Doc or Brian, My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid -- "Roger Kemp" wrote: Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would > be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel > kind > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the > same as > yours Doc! :-) Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5================================================nbsp; (And Get Some AWESO -Matt Dralle, List========================; - The Yak-List Email Fo========================bsp; &n======================================== _____________________________________________________________ Apply now for a Discover Card! 0% intro APR on Balance Transfers. --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:40 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug Click on the link below. Or go to Aircraft Tool Supply and do a search for "14 mm". You find it there. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Johnson" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug > > > Didn't know where to buy one. Please advise. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug > > >> >> >> Come on guys. For $7.95 you can buy the appropriate adapter. >> http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=14MM&ReturnPage=/shop/flyer.aspx?PageNo=1 >> >> Dennis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Forrest Johnson" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug >> >> >>> >>> >>> Use a standard 14mm automotive plug, drillout the guts and weld in a >>> pneumatic hose fitting that will fit the tester. >>> Forrest >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jon Boede" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 AM >>> Subject: Yak-List: Compression Test Plug >>> >>> >>>> >>>> What pseudo-spark-plug do I need for the compression test kit that I >>>> have... I want to use it on my stock 285hp CJ engine? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:01 PM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why. The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany). In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers. The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom. Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate. Jan -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country MALS-14 64E" Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid. Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:53 PM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Glock 20C (10mm) when I like to carry the plastic weapon... or the delta-elite (10mm) when I like the 1911 version. Dabear Jorgen Nielsen wrote: > > Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo > available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was > also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I > bought it for its simplicity. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G > CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country > > MALS-14 64E" > > Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I > have a few. I think you'd love them. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country > > > On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > > >> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a >> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. >> > > I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as > long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. > > But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round > the FBI favors. > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:08 PM PST US From: Cliff Coy Subject: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive. These directly replace the green & red gears lamps in the Yak-52 without fuddling around with making something else work. They're $15 ea (4X the cost of a standard lamp). Yes, they're expensive...but they won't ever blow out either.... Cheers Cliff (Yes, I read the FAQ about advertising...;-) -- Clifford Coy Director of Maintenance Border Air Ltd 629 Airport Rd. Swanton, VT 05488 802-868-2822 TEL 802-868-4465 FAX Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:32 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Mark, The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs, armorers, and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all, it is not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice in the AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country MALS-14 64E" You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis, I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations. There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is "Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore the safety of privately made or owned weapons. Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter. So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to! That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not legal really... But things like that happen all the time. Mark Bitterlich USMC Ret. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Doc or Brian, My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid -- "Roger Kemp" wrote: Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would > be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel > kind > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the > same as > yours Doc! :-) Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5================================================nbsp; (And Get Some AWESO -Matt Dralle, List========================; - The Yak-List Email Fo========================bsp; &n======================================== _____________________________________________________________ Apply now for a Discover Card! 0% intro APR on Balance Transfers. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:26 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Jan, You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also. Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting on the response time of our city police! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why. The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany). In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers. The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom. Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate. Jan -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country MALS-14 64E" Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid. Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:20 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to carry something l ike the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue years ago. I mean like yo u need only a bird or rabbit to get you though. Right? That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14' tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its head. This bear's pa ws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear. Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full automati c pistol? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" Jan, You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. Tha t is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also. Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting on the response time of our city police! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why. The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany). In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers. The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom. Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate. Jan -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country MALS-14 64E" Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of thi s country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one als o has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states , which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid. Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old fro m your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:57 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Congrats! Congratulations to our own Jim "Pappy" Goolsby for being awarded Warbirds of America Command Wings. This achievement is earned by flying in 20 EAA Warbird events and 500+ hours in civilian warbirds. Even though one may have flown 4 or 5 daily airshows at AirVenture 2007, it counts as 1 event, etc. Pappy's warbird time includes over 1200 hours in his CJ, B-24 Captain, B-17, B-25, C-47, and it goes on from there. His 23,000 hours of airline time doesn't count. While a number of us RedStars hold Senior Warbird Aviator wings, Pappy is our first guy (I know of) to achieve this level. Command Wings are the mark of highest flying participation with the Warbirds and brings respect not just for Jim, but to all of RedStars for years of effort in doing what we do. Just wait until next year, we are going to have a great time with the Oshkosh 50 CJ's (Yaks invited too) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:17 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: RE: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps I think if you're hawking your own wares, that's advertising. If you've fo und something you like and you mention it here, that's called "sharing". What's the URL for the lamps you bought, Cliff?> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16: 08:45 -0500> From: cliff@gesoco.com> Subject: Yak-List: LED replacement lam > > Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive.> These directly replace the green & red gears lamps in the Yak-52 without > fuddli ng around with making something else work.> They're $15 ea (4X the cost of a standard lamp).> Yes, they're expensive...but they won't ever blow out ei ther....> > Cheers> Cliff> > (Yes, I read the FAQ about advertising...;-)> -- > Clifford Coy> Director of Maintenance> Border Air Ltd> 629 Airport Rd. > Swanton, VT 05488> 802-868-2822 TEL> 802-868-4465 FAX> Skype: callto:Clif f.Coy ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:39 PM PST US From: "fish@aviation-tech.com" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Clif, In 2003/04 when I was flying as a Flight Engineer on C-130's out of Quatar (into Iraq, Afganistan, Pakastan and Jabouty) we carried the M-9 (Berrata 92F, pop gun). Fly Safe John Fischer ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "netmaster15@juno.com" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country > Doc or Brian, > My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his > Guard unit flies C-130s. I asked him what kind of side > arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to carry > standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I > wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had > since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable to the > present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU > encountered such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? > Thanks for your response. Cliff Umscheid > > > > > -- "Roger Kemp" wrote: > > > Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier > to get parts for at the time as we were converting from > S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns. Doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country > > > > > On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det > Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > > > Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" > > > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would > > recommend it over every other weapon to carry on a cross > > country. No question. I would be hard put to not bring > > along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel kind > > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, > > probably the same as > > yours Doc! :-) > > Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA > 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 > (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of > petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 > 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > ========================================================= > ======================= > __________________________________________________________ > ___ Apply now for a Discover Card! > 0% intro APR on Balance Transfers. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/JKFkuJi7Dykd9lgSnxQGEQDRPk5jTIKdYLbD3gY7J4TRxIBgL9wWmv/ > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:59 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Don=92t know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle. Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you have stopping power. Can=92t believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide backing them up with a 7 mm Mag auto. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though. Right? That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14' tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear. Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full automatic pistol? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: Jan, You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also. Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting on the response time of our city police! Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why. The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany). In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers. The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom. Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate. Jan -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Point, MALS-14 64E" Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid. Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from deadly force. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble... Jan Mevis RA2005K YK50 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for its simplicity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a few. I think you'd love them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it. I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun. But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the FBI favors. -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C _____ See ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:12 PM PST US From: "fish@aviation-tech.com" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country Brian, The government is afraid we may actually hurt someone if they gave us a real gun. I was going to buy a compact Glock .40 Cal today, but they were sold out. I carry a .45 cal Glock (Model 21) at work and love it, but I need something smaller for off duty (concealed carry). Fly Safe John Fischer California City, CA ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country > > > > On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det > Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > > > Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" > > > > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would > > recommend it over every other weapon to carry on a cross > > country. No question. I would be hard put to not bring > > along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel kind > > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, > > probably the same as > > yours Doc! :-) > > Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat? > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA > 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 > (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of > petty things . . . 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