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1. 12:47 AM - Re: LED replacement lamps (Rob Kent)
2. 04:45 AM - Yak-50 question (Drew)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Yak-50 question (Tim Gagnon)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: Yak-50 question (Roger Kemp)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: LED replacement lamps (Roger Kemp)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Mixture too rich? (Roger Kemp)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Mixture too rich? (tjyak50)
8. 08:32 AM - Line abreast (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Mixture too rich? (Roger Kemp)
10. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier (Doug Sapp)
11. 11:40 AM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
12. 11:57 AM - Re: Hard starting CJ (Doug Sapp)
13. 12:02 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Brian Lloyd)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Mixture too rich? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
16. 12:44 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
17. 12:47 PM - Re: Mixture too rich? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
18. 12:58 PM - Re: Mixture too rich? (tjyak50)
19. 01:01 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
20. 01:04 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
21. 01:06 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
22. 01:08 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
23. 01:20 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
24. 01:24 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Jan Mevis)
25. 01:49 PM - Aux tank (John Graham)
26. 01:49 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Frank Stelwagon)
27. 02:50 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
28. 02:51 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
29. 02:52 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Roger Kemp)
30. 03:07 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
31. 03:16 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
32. 03:25 PM - Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier (Tim Gagnon)
33. 03:33 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
34. 04:18 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Stephen Fox)
35. 04:34 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Tim Gagnon)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Mixture too rich? (Brian Lloyd)
37. 04:52 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Brian Lloyd)
38. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier (Brian Lloyd)
39. 04:57 PM - Re: fuse (Ron Davis)
40. 05:04 PM - Re: Mixture too rich? (Brian Lloyd)
41. 05:33 PM - New Ownership for Cdn. CJ (Mike & Lyne Bourget)
42. 05:43 PM - Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ (cjpilot710@aol.com)
43. 06:11 PM - Re: fuse (Brian Lloyd)
44. 06:13 PM - Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ (skidmk)
45. 06:16 PM - Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ (skidmk)
46. 06:26 PM - Re: fuse (Brian Lloyd)
47. 10:10 PM - Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier (mrfrankguo)
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| Subject: | LED replacement lamps |
Doc,
Cliff's LED's should also work for the 50 as they have a lot of the same
components such as the indicator lights for the undercarriage.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 825 975
Mob: +44 7866 438 293
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc
Sent: 17 November 2007 00:56
Subject: RE: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps
Cliff,
Will the work in the 50? Do they have a bayonet casing?
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Coy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps
Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive.
These directly replace the green & red gears lamps in the Yak-52 without
fuddling around with making something else work.
They're $15 ea (4X the cost of a standard lamp).
Yes, they're expensive...but they won't ever blow out either....
Cheers
Cliff
(Yes, I read the FAQ about advertising...;-)
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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Steve, how was the refueling process on that 50? - did it have poor/no venting
- i.e.it takes considerably longer to refuel. Viperdoc, or anyone - do your 50s
deal with the same issue?
I know some have modified to resolve this nuisance issue -
Is there a Yak50 owners website somewhere btw?
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-50 question |
[quote="lacloudchaser(at)yahoo.co"]Steve, how was the refueling process on that
50? - did it have poor/no venting - i.e.it takes considerably longer to refuel.
Viperdoc, or anyone - do your 50s deal with the same issue?
I know some have modified to resolve this nuisance issue -
Is there a Yak50 owners website somewhere btw?
Drew
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yak-50/
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Refuels slowly if you fill the tank for the "quick fuel" cap that was added
to the Aux tank on top of the nose. I have found, was told and forgot
actually, to fill the acro (main) tank first with the fuel cap off the Aux
tank. That makes refueling much quicker if you A/C has a gravity feed system
as does mine. Not sure how it works with those that have a transfer pump.
Yes there is a 50 website on Yahoo. I will have to get it for you.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:44 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-50 question
Steve, how was the refueling process on that 50? - did it have poor/no
venting - i.e.it takes considerably longer to refuel. Viperdoc, or anyone -
do your 50s deal with the same issue?
I know some have modified to resolve this nuisance issue -
Is there a Yak50 owners website somewhere btw?
Drew
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| Subject: | LED replacement lamps |
Rob thanks. Will contact you off list on another issue.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kent
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:47 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps
Doc,
Cliff's LED's should also work for the 50 as they have a lot of the same
components such as the indicator lights for the undercarriage.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 825 975
Mob: +44 7866 438 293
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of viperdoc
Sent: 17 November 2007 00:56
Subject: RE: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps
Cliff,
Will the work in the 50? Do they have a bayonet casing?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Coy
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: LED replacement lamps
Just had my first batch of LED lamps arrive.
These directly replace the green & red gears lamps in the Yak-52 without
fuddling around with making something else work.
They're $15 ea (4X the cost of a standard lamp).
Yes, they're expensive...but they won't ever blow out either....
Cheers
Cliff
(Yes, I read the FAQ about advertising...;-)
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
Tj,
Noticed you T.O. at 82% and ? 800-850 mm Hg manifold pressure. She is quiet
impressive when you depart at 100% and 850 mmHg is she not? The tail is up
in a heartbeat or she will just climb straight out from a 3 point attitude.
She tends to like to torque hard right also at 100% and full advance. As
Mozam said "quiet a machine".
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Mixture too rich?
What MAP settings did you have when flying at 70%(you mention the throttle
adjacent to the prop lever).
Jan Mevis
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tjyak50
Sent: zondag 18 november 2007 19:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Mixture too rich?
I have a JPI FS-450 Fuel Flow in my -50 and it is accurate to about .2
Gallons at the end of a long flight, so I am confident the flow values are
correct.
At takeoff I get around 40 gph.
At 82% and full throttle around the 3000' to 6000' range it is not uncommon
to see anywhere from 25gph down low to 20+ up higher.
On a recent long cross country with low power cruise at maybe 70% and
throttle back (actually to about adjacent to the prop lever seems to work
well) we were consistently under 15gph, and more like 13 to 14.
I have my mixture trimmed pretty lean at idle, down to under 2.8 gph at 40%.
Like many M14s, mine will sometimes stumble when putting in throttle slowly
from idle. You can watch the fuel flow spike from idle flow under 3.0 to
about 13gph when it stumbles, then back to the stabilized flow once it
settles down.
The computer in the FS-450 is linked by a serial bus to the GPS and knows
where we are going and when we will be there. It also computes MPG and I
get about 11 Nautical miles per gallon. Mostly useless trivia I suppose.
Tj
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
Doc: you misread.
1) I take off at 103% and full throttle which is 40+ GPH in my -50.
2) I climb / acro / fight at 82% and full throttle which is 20 to 25 gph in my
-50.
Pretty standard M14 power settings.
TJ
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Did some formation flying yesterday with some of the guys around here.
Ernie, Rich, Hank, John and myself did a couple of 5 ship flights.
One thing we did practice was a "line abreast" to try to figure the bearing
line to use and way to determine distance. The bearing line turned out to
be, the front of the wing tip lined up with the pilot's head.
The distance we picked could be sighted by using you own wing tip. If you
were on the bearing line, the trailing edge AT your wing tip, would be on the
very end of lead's tail.
We flew the top end of a number 5, with 3 ships in line abreast and the lead
in the middle. From a strong finger right #2 & # 3 simply moved out the
abreast position and #4 & #5 went to a trail position.
I tried the position for a short time. Its a little difference at first
only because you not use to being there. But its not like trying to fly
formation by looking over your shoulder, but yo're just really acute.
Try it
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
Copy.
Thanks. I have been taking off at 80-85% and 850 mm HG. Makes for a little
longer TO Roll by about ~ 100- 150 ft but it makes it easier for the 52's to
catch up for rejoin. I push the power up to 70% for last chance check then
gradually advance it to 100% and full advance (manifold pressure) if just
flying solo.
Cobbing it will get your attention.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tjyak50
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Mixture too rich?
Doc: you misread.
1) I take off at 103% and full throttle which is 40+ GPH in my -50.
2) I climb / acro / fight at 82% and full throttle which is 20 to 25 gph in
my -50.
Pretty standard M14 power settings.
TJ
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| Subject: | Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier |
Mr. Guo,
_*There is but one issue here, your stealing of my parts list*_. You
say it belongs to Hongdu, just a few examples, please note line number
30 which is my US made CJ jacks, or lines 74 through 93 which are all my
conversion mods for the CJ6, or lines 172 which is my US made landing
light lens, or line 339 which is my stainless steel dessicant filter.
If this is Hongdu's price list then how did my custom made parts get on
their list?? Sorry Mr. Guo, your guilty as charged, you took something
that was not yours, you were foolish enough to send it to it's author,
and now your tying to worm out of it. I will admit that our cultures
are very different, in China you may not look upon taking something and
calling it your own as stealing, but here in the US it is not looked
upon as the honest thing to do.
As far as your selling to my customers you are free to do so, all I
asked in my email was simply that you not offer me your products or
phony lists if you choose to compete against me. And no, considering
your conduct I DO NOT want to be your US agent. It's really very
simple, you issue your own parts list and sell your own parts, I have
my parts list from which I sell my parts, but you CANNOT use my price
list and claim it's yours, it is simply dishonest.
If you think I'm crude because I asked you "*what in the hell you though
you were doing stealing my parts lis*t" you are free to think what ever
you please. The fact remains, and I feel I must say it one more time--
the _*list is NOT yours*_ and I must insist that if you want to issue a
list of *YOUR* parts then that list should reflect *YOUR* parts, not
*MY* parts or *HONGDU'S* parts. What portion of this point of honesty
don't you understand? The list is not your's, does not honestly
reflect your inventory, and furthermore you cannot, (and Hongdu cannot)
supply many of the items on it because they are of my design and my
manufacture.
To the listers and lurkers:
I do apologize that you should have to be party to this crap. However,
anyone wanting to a copy of Mr. Gou's email to me containing "his"
inventory list feel free to contact me off list. Or you could just go
to my parts room at CJ6.com and see the same list first hand for yourself.
Always Yakin,
Doug
mrfrankguo wrote:
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>I have to admit part of youEUR^(TM)ve said are true. My colleague did contact
you a month ago which I learnt later due to we deal with different clients.
>
>For your questioning, EURoeare you trying to sell to my customers?EUR? I honestly
donEUR^(TM)t know Mr. Craig is your customer at that moment since I didnEUR^(TM)t
hear any of you due to the above reason. Even I know, whatEUR^(TM)s wrong
for me offering Mr. Craig? You never even mentioned that you would like to
be our sole authorized agent in US. Thus, I assume weEUR^(TM)ve done no wrong
about offering other American clients.
>
>Referring to the part list, you even used the word of EURoestealEUR?. How can
you say that? DonEUR^(TM)t you know that? The part list is not your own private
property even though you put some to them on your web. It belongs to Hongdu,
the manufacture of CJ6. Therefore, we consider you have no right to claim that.
>
>The last one, why did we not reply your mail in which you cursed everything? I
actually got one for you. But I sent it to my colleague asking her opinion since
she is the one who contacted with you before. However, she said she really
understood your feeling about knowing us trying to sell to your customer. Then,
I gave up that idea and hope you can calm down later.
>
>But this time, I fell like I must give you a reply since you even behaved more
crudely. DonEUR^(TM)t you understand the American spirit of fair competition?
>
>EURoeBusiness is businessEUR?. After all, we still understand what youEUR^(TM)ve
done. We are the supplier who enjoy close relations with many OEMs here. This
is the key point. Consequently, you declared weEUR^(TM)re not welcoming in
US market.
>
>However, we firmly believe American people value the commercial spirit of fair
competition very much and it benefits all the customers.
>
>Best regards,
>
>frank
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147046#147046
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
You are absolutely correct. However, with all due respect... The Air Force has
always been very fond of the rules. The Marine Corps is too, until the rules
get in the way of accomplishing the mission, and then they go right out the window.
Fact is, it is well nigh impossible to tell the difference between a 1911A1 .45
issued by the Govt., and a 1911A1 issued by the Govt.!!! If Cliff's weapon is
indeed an original Govt. issued model, the very only person who could ever tell
the difference is the Amorer. If that gent is willing to draw up an "Issue
Card" on the weapon, he is just about... Within a bare fraction, of actually
putting it BACK into Govt. service. Not quite... And yes, it would be not quite
legal. However, if you take that route, the Armorer checks it out and makes
sure it is safe, and thereby accomplishes the main mission, and also can come
to get it when you no longer are allowed to carry it.
This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero Tolerance" is a
matter of perspective and if you don't believe that, you ought to check out what
SpecOps members carry, or better yet see examples of how individual units have
directly purchased things like weapon accessories, body armor, etc.
Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at and people are
ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends to be something other than
"Zero" anymore, and personally, that is a circumstance that I support as well.
Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing such an view.
Oh well.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs, armorers,
and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all, it is
not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice in the
AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis,
I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is
"Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone
from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to
prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so
recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them
knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore
the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if
ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the
right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know
his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check
your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not
legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s.
I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to
carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry
my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable
to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered
such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the
time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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| Subject: | Re: Hard starting CJ |
Heated hanger? If not consider ice from past undrained condensation in
the air system. Because the system filled so rapidly the air was
always there, but somehow blocked. What are your temps?
Always Yakin,
Doug
CJcanuck wrote:
>
>Hi All!
>
>I went to fly my birdie tonight only to have it not start, and act very strangely
in the process.
>
>The pre-start pressure was around 40-45atm, and for the first few seconds during
the start the prop seemed to be swinging at it's usual rate. Very quickly
though both the prop rpm and the main air pressure dropped; the bottle showing
close to 10atms and the prop slowed to a stop.
>
>When I went to refill the air tank it regained it's pressure very quickly, in
less than 30 seconds. During past refills it took several minutes to refill the
tank from near empty to around 45atms.
>
>It's almost like the system has reduced in volume somehow, any ideas where I might
start looking? In addition, the starter valve is sticking open; you take
your finger off the button and the starter stays open, not sure if it's a solenoid
issue or a button issue.
>
>Thanks!
>
>p.s. YMK has always been a hard starter; I know some of you only see 1-2 blades
before the engine kicks, we normally need over 10seconds before anything close
to sustained firing with lots of prime and skinned knuckles. Could this be
related?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146988#146988
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
> This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero
> Tolerance" is a matter of perspective and if you don't believe
> that, you ought to check out what SpecOps members carry, or better
> yet see examples of how individual units have directly purchased
> things like weapon accessories, body armor, etc.
In support of your statement, my sons and I were guests of one of the
instructors at SEAL school in Coronado. (He and I had done some
formation training together.) The members of the Team currently in
residence were showing us their issued arms and then the stuff they
had chosen to carry. It wasn't necessarily the same stuff. Their
armorer was in hog heaven as he got to go for training in everybody's
chosen sidearms.
> Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at
> and people are ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends
> to be something other than "Zero" anymore, and personally, that is
> a circumstance that I support as well.
And that seemed to be their attitude as well. They tend to find
themselves in combat situations a lot, even in "peacetime". Results
are what matter.
OTOH, the Teams are relatively small units that can get away with a
degree of non-standardization. I can imagine the logistical nightmare
of running an entire army that way.
> Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing
> such an view. Oh well.
Mark, you are *SO* bad. ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
Tom, you're pushing to 103% ???
Mark
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tjyak50
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Mixture too rich?
Doc: you misread.
1) I take off at 103% and full throttle which is 40+ GPH in my -50.
2) I climb / acro / fight at 82% and full throttle which is 20 to 25
gph in my -50.
Pretty standard M14 power settings.
TJ
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
No doubt, I have seen some unique weapons carried. Just for the fighter
aircrew, it is frowned on to have a personal weapon. Again I have seen
different carried and also know what happened to that weapon when it was
discovered. I would hate to lose a family heirloom.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You are absolutely correct. However, with all due respect... The Air Force
has always been very fond of the rules. The Marine Corps is too, until the
rules get in the way of accomplishing the mission, and then they go right
out the window.
Fact is, it is well nigh impossible to tell the difference between a 1911A1
.45 issued by the Govt., and a 1911A1 issued by the Govt.!!! If Cliff's
weapon is indeed an original Govt. issued model, the very only person who
could ever tell the difference is the Amorer. If that gent is willing to
draw up an "Issue Card" on the weapon, he is just about... Within a bare
fraction, of actually putting it BACK into Govt. service. Not quite... And
yes, it would be not quite legal. However, if you take that route, the
Armorer checks it out and makes sure it is safe, and thereby accomplishes
the main mission, and also can come to get it when you no longer are allowed
to carry it.
This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero Tolerance" is
a matter of perspective and if you don't believe that, you ought to check
out what SpecOps members carry, or better yet see examples of how individual
units have directly purchased things like weapon accessories, body armor,
etc.
Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at and people
are ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends to be something other
than "Zero" anymore, and personally, that is a circumstance that I support
as well.
Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing such an
view. Oh well.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs,
armorers, and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all,
it is not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice
in the AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular
basis, I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it
is "Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING
anyone from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these
orders is to prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important
since wars even so recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to
be armed without them knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of
the quality and there-fore the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely
if ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know
the right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted
to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to
know his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him
check your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as
authorized. Not legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies
C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only
allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I
wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it
appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your
experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the
reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for
at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
By the way, there is also the 50 GL. It is a .50 cal pistol built around a 1911
frame. Of course it is Semi-Auto, but with a little modding and proof that
you have the right license, I am sure we can get it to go full auto. I'd love
to see anyone try to hold on to it though......
Or... We could also cut down a Ma-Deuce.
Mgb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 20:07
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:01 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
> Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot,
> full automatic pistol?
Some times a long gun just makes more sense. If I am going to have to take on a
grizzly, I want at least a .308.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Mixture too rich? |
There is a test procedure for checking that system Brian, (the auto lean system)
but darn if I remember it off the top of my head. If you would like, I will
look it up and post it.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 19:56
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Mixture too rich?
On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:50 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> No such thing as a "rich" mixture with the pressure carb John. The
> barometric chamber on the carb does it for us. True - there is no way
> to lean it.
Unless you have an improperly-calibrated carb.
You know, all M14Ps should have the same fuel-flow at the same pressure altitude,
temperature, and power setting. It might be useful to know what that is for
several common altitudes and power settings so that people can get an idea if
their carb adjustment is in the ball-park.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
There is a test procedure to check the initial position of the aneroid (Task Card
206). And there is a chart to tell you what it should be based on your pressure
altitude. That is the good news.
The bad news is that it is nearly impossible to perform.
The amount of measurement you are looking for is VERY small. You basically have
to try to measure down to 0.5mm in a funky blind hole based off a certain flange
position. With the carb on the airplane it is impossible without special
tooling.
In the words of Vladimir Yastremski-- "set by factory - better not to touch..."
I can send the section if you like.
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
I thought you were joking. I am very sorry. You're serious? Well, in
truth as you probably know, there is the .50 S&W Revolver, with which
you can get some very serious loads out of. There is also the .50 GL
which is a 50 cal built on a 1911 frame. There is also the .50 Desert
Eagle. I think... Personally.... I would opt for a 12 gage pump, with
pistol grip cut down to "barely legal" and would use the .50 S&W Mag
with some really hot loads set up for heavy penetration.
And then I'd pray.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:09
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Thanks! I'll consider it! :)
In a message dated 11/17/2007 10:03:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
desmor944@aol.com writes:
----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to
shoot to kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to
heavy. And using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a
single shot (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one
only needed to carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF
used to issue years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to
get you though. Right?
That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A
Forest Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood
over 14' tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag
before the bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several
rounds into its head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys
chest. It is the biggest grizzly on record. They later found the
remains of a hiker that the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had
emptied his 38 into the bear.
Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my
CJ to Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10
shot, full automatic pistol?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Jim,
Not exactly what you specified, but check out
www.magnumresearch.com <http://www.magnumresearch.com/> .
The Desert Eagle in .50AE with a 7 round magazine comes close.
Rich
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Doc... Hollow points not recommended on bear. Their hides and fat make such loads
totally ineffectual, other than really pissing that critter off big time.
You want to go for deep penetration and go for the heart/lungs first. Even then,
it can get really scary with Alaskan Brown. Better you than me.... :-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:08
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Don't know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army snipers have
a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you have
stopping power.
Can't believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on trout
with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide backing them up
with a 7 mm Mag auto.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to kill
the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And using my Army
taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot (30.06) (one at 325yds).
So as survival gun I figured one only needed to carry something like the little
folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue years ago. I mean like you need only
a bird or rabbit to get you though. Right?
That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest Service guy
HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14' tall (12'6" at the
shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the bear fell. Still alive,
he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its head. This bear's paws were
bigger than this guys chest. It is the biggest grizzly on record. They later
found the remains of a hiker that the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had
emptied his 38 into the bear.
Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to Alaska (yea
sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full automatic pistol?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com
writes:
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
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For a good backup weapon, take a look at the Rohrbach R9S (9mm) NOT CHEAP.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fish@aviation-tech.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:35
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <fish@aviation-tech.com>
Brian,
The government is afraid we may actually hurt someone if they gave us a real gun.
I was going to buy a compact Glock .40 Cal today, but they were sold out. I carry
a .45 cal Glock (Model 21) at work and love it, but I need something smaller
for off duty (concealed carry).
Fly Safe
John Fischer
California City, CA
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
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>
>
> On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>
> > Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >
> > Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> > every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I
> > would be hard put to not bring
> > along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel kind
> > of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun,
> > probably the same as
> > yours Doc! :-)
>
> Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
>
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Jan, come on over... I'll find you a place you can afford!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in blood
about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That is why
the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of our left
leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting on
the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and
became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union;
at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less
we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious
home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police
does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic
judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but
nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed
in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe
have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am
not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots
in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated
and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse
to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has
enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction
in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON
violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that
not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not
believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only
ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are
supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And
if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather
dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you
are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available
in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load
data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for
its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a
few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long
as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the
FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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But DOC... HE IS NOT IN THE AIR FORCE! :-) Heh heh....
Mark
P.s. I have a tube of sealant if you want me to send it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 15:28
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
No doubt, I have seen some unique weapons carried. Just for the fighter aircrew,
it is frowned on to have a personal weapon. Again I have seen different carried
and also know what happened to that weapon when it was discovered. I would
hate to lose a family heirloom.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You are absolutely correct. However, with all due respect... The Air Force has
always been very fond of the rules. The Marine Corps is too, until the rules
get in the way of accomplishing the mission, and then they go right out the window.
Fact is, it is well nigh impossible to tell the difference between a 1911A1
.45 issued by the Govt., and a 1911A1 issued by the Govt.!!! If Cliff's weapon
is indeed an original Govt. issued model, the very only person who could ever
tell the difference is the Amorer. If that gent is willing to draw up an "Issue
Card" on the weapon, he is just about... Within a bare fraction, of actually
putting it BACK into Govt. service. Not quite... And yes, it would be not
quite legal. However, if you take that route, the Armorer checks it out and makes
sure it is safe, and thereby accomplishes the main mission, and also can come
to get it when you no longer are allowed
to carry it.
This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero Tolerance" is a
matter of perspective and if you don't believe that, you ought to check out what
SpecOps members carry, or better yet see examples of how individual units have
directly purchased things like weapon accessories, body armor, etc.
Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at and people are
ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends to be something other than
"Zero" anymore, and personally, that is a circumstance that I support as well.
Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing such an view.
Oh well.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs, armorers,
and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all, it is
not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice in the
AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis,
I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is
"Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone
from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to
prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so
recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them
knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore
the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if
ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the
right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know
his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check
your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not
legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s.
I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to
carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry
my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable
to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered
such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the
time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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Only if I can bring my Yak 50 with me ....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: maandag 19 november 2007 22:08
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Jan, come on over... I'll find you a place you can afford!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
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What does this have to do with aircraft??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Doc... Hollow points not recommended on bear. Their hides and fat make
> such loads totally ineffectual, other than really pissing that critter off
> big time. You want to go for deep penetration and go for the heart/lungs
> first. Even then, it can get really scary with Alaskan Brown. Better
> you than me.... :-)
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:08
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> Don't know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army
> snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
>
> Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you
> have stopping power.
>
> Can't believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on
> trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide
> backing them up with a 7 mm Mag auto.
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to
> kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And
> using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot
> (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to
> carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue
> years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though.
> Right?
>
>
> That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest
> Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14'
> tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the
> bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its
> head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the
> biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that
> the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
>
>
> Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
> Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full
> automatic pistol?
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
>
>
> Jan,
> You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
> blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested.
> That
> is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
> our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
> Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than
> waiting
> on the response time of our city police!
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
> and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
> Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
> know why.
>
> The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
> less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
> Germany).
>
> In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
> serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
> the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the
> city,
> there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
> completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
> of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
>
> The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
> Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
>
> Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
>
> Jan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten.
> I
> am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
> idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
> outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
> people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of
> this
> country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
> have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one
> also
> has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same
> states,
> which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
>
> Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
> does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
> deadly force.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
> only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
> citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
> any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old
> from
> your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
> destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
>
>
> Jan Mevis
> RA2005K YK50
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
> available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
> also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service.
> I
> bought it for its simplicity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
> have a few. I think you'd love them.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
>
> I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
> long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
>
> But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W
> round
> the FBI favors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
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Well damned...needs to be!
Will see if I need the sealant after this evening. I am going to put fuel in
her and see if it leaks! If it does, there is a ton of Pro Seal to scrap and
sand off!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
But DOC... HE IS NOT IN THE AIR FORCE! :-) Heh heh....
Mark
P.s. I have a tube of sealant if you want me to send it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 15:28
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
No doubt, I have seen some unique weapons carried. Just for the fighter
aircrew, it is frowned on to have a personal weapon. Again I have seen
different carried and also know what happened to that weapon when it was
discovered. I would hate to lose a family heirloom.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You are absolutely correct. However, with all due respect... The Air Force
has always been very fond of the rules. The Marine Corps is too, until the
rules get in the way of accomplishing the mission, and then they go right
out the window.
Fact is, it is well nigh impossible to tell the difference between a 1911A1
.45 issued by the Govt., and a 1911A1 issued by the Govt.!!! If Cliff's
weapon is indeed an original Govt. issued model, the very only person who
could ever tell the difference is the Amorer. If that gent is willing to
draw up an "Issue Card" on the weapon, he is just about... Within a bare
fraction, of actually putting it BACK into Govt. service. Not quite... And
yes, it would be not quite legal. However, if you take that route, the
Armorer checks it out and makes sure it is safe, and thereby accomplishes
the main mission, and also can come to get it when you no longer are allowed
to carry it.
This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero Tolerance" is
a matter of perspective and if you don't believe that, you ought to check
out what SpecOps members carry, or better yet see examples of how individual
units have directly purchased things like weapon accessories, body armor,
etc.
Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at and people
are ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends to be something other
than "Zero" anymore, and personally, that is a circumstance that I support
as well.
Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing such an
view. Oh well.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs,
armorers, and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all,
it is not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice
in the AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular
basis, I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it
is "Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING
anyone from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these
orders is to prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important
since wars even so recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to
be armed without them knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of
the quality and there-fore the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely
if ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know
the right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted
to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to
know his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him
check your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as
authorized. Not legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies
C-130s. I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only
allowed to carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I
wanted him to carry my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it
appears not to be acceptable to the present day command;. from your
experience ,have YOU encountered such restriction? If so, what is the
reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for
at the time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
--
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Need help pulling the wings off and crating it up?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Only if I can bring my Yak 50 with me ....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: maandag 19 november 2007 22:08
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Jan, come on over... I'll find you a place you can afford!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That
is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting
on the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city,
there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I
am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of this
country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also
has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states,
which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from
your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I
bought it for its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
have a few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round
the FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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Not a lot until you go down in bad critter country.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stelwagon
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
<pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
What does this have to do with aircraft??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Doc... Hollow points not recommended on bear. Their hides and fat make
> such loads totally ineffectual, other than really pissing that critter off
> big time. You want to go for deep penetration and go for the heart/lungs
> first. Even then, it can get really scary with Alaskan Brown. Better
> you than me.... :-)
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:08
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> Don't know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army
> snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
>
> Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you
> have stopping power.
>
> Can't believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on
> trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide
> backing them up with a 7 mm Mag auto.
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to
> kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And
> using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot
> (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to
> carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue
> years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though.
> Right?
>
>
> That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest
> Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14'
> tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the
> bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its
> head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the
> biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that
> the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
>
>
> Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
> Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full
> automatic pistol?
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
>
>
> Jan,
> You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
> blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested.
> That
> is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
> our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
> Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than
> waiting
> on the response time of our city police!
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
> and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
> Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
> know why.
>
> The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
> less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
> Germany).
>
> In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
> serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
> the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the
> city,
> there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
> completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
> of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
>
> The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
> Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
>
> Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
>
> Jan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten.
> I
> am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
> idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
> outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
> people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of
> this
> country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
> have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one
> also
> has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same
> states,
> which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
>
> Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
> does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
> deadly force.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
> only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
> citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
> any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old
> from
> your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
> destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
>
>
> Jan Mevis
> RA2005K YK50
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
> available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
> also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service.
> I
> bought it for its simplicity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
> have a few. I think you'd love them.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
>
> I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
> long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
>
> But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W
> round
> the FBI favors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> See
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
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That goes without saying!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 16:24
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Only if I can bring my Yak 50 with me ....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: maandag 19 november 2007 22:08
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Jan, come on over... I'll find you a place you can afford!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:42
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Jan,
You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in blood
about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested. That is why
the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of our left
leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than waiting on
the response time of our city police!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified and
became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the Soviet Union;
at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't know why.
The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the less
we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern Germany).
In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a serious
home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where the police
does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the city, there are islamic
judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is completely unlegal, but
nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators of these khadi's, dressed
in green, behave like police-officers.
The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-) Europe
have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten. I am
not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of idiots
in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is outdated
and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same people simply refuse
to believe facts either... In that every State of this country that has
enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them) have had a noted reduction
in violent crime. To be totally honest, one also has to report that NON
violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same states, which goes to prove that
not ALL criminals are stupid.
Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which does not
believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
deadly force.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the only
ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent citizens are
supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have any weapon. And
if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old from your grandfather
dating back to the first World War, then you'd better destroy it. Otherwise you
are in big trouble...
Jan Mevis
RA2005K YK50
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo available
in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was also no load
data available yet. Over the years its given good service. I bought it for
its simplicity.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I have a
few. I think you'd love them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as long
as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W round the
FBI favors.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Actually not a darn thing. Don't worry, like most everything else, this topic
too will die a natural death.
On the other hand, I could bring up the latest info on Flight Suits in the RPA!
:-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stelwagon
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 16:49
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
What does this have to do with aircraft??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Doc... Hollow points not recommended on bear. Their hides and fat make
> such loads totally ineffectual, other than really pissing that critter off
> big time. You want to go for deep penetration and go for the heart/lungs
> first. Even then, it can get really scary with Alaskan Brown. Better
> you than me.... :-)
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:08
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> Don't know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army
> snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
>
> Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you
> have stopping power.
>
> Can't believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on
> trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide
> backing them up with a 7 mm Mag auto.
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to
> kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And
> using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot
> (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to
> carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue
> years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though.
> Right?
>
>
> That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest
> Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14'
> tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the
> bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its
> head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the
> biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that
> the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
>
>
> Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
> Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full
> automatic pistol?
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
>
>
> Jan,
> You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
> blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested.
> That
> is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
> our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
> Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than
> waiting
> on the response time of our city police!
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
> and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
> Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
> know why.
>
> The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
> less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
> Germany).
>
> In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
> serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
> the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the
> city,
> there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
> completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
> of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
>
> The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
> Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
>
> Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
>
> Jan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten.
> I
> am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
> idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
> outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
> people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of
> this
> country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
> have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one
> also
> has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same
> states,
> which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
>
> Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
> does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
> deadly force.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
> only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
> citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
> any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old
> from
> your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
> destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
>
>
> Jan Mevis
> RA2005K YK50
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
> available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
> also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service.
> I
> bought it for its simplicity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
> have a few. I think you'd love them.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
>
> I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
> long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
>
> But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W
> round
> the FBI favors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> See
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier |
Do any of these parts have dangerous levels of lead in them or is that just the
toys coming out of mainland China?
Doug,
I do not own a CJ-6 but have bought from you and will continue to do so.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147217#147217
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Sorry for posting twice, but to be perfectly candid, your comment got me to thinking!
This discussion started following a query of what people carry with them
when going on a cross country IN THEIR AIRCRAFT. This particular line then
morphed off into a discussion of what kind of weapon would be best to carry in
your aircraft when operating in or near the Alaskan wilderness, as in "Bush
Piloting". So it really does involve aircraft in a certain sense. This line even
went so far as to point out the differences in civil liberties between different
countries! Personally... I found it to be an interesting and informative
sideline to the norm.
BUT.... I see your point though.... A more accurate question would be:
"What does this have to do with YAK aircraft?" This being the "YAK" list after
all.
My point? Everyone has their own line in the sand that they wish people would
not cross regarding what they say and don't say, or discuss or do not discuss.
On this list, I think you either have to learn to be flexible about that personal
line, or else.
Fact is, if you don't like what is being discussed at any given time, just ask
a question. In one day or less people will be coming out of the woodwork on this
list to try and answer you.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stelwagon
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 16:49
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
What does this have to do with aircraft??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Doc... Hollow points not recommended on bear. Their hides and fat make
> such loads totally ineffectual, other than really pissing that critter off
> big time. You want to go for deep penetration and go for the heart/lungs
> first. Even then, it can get really scary with Alaskan Brown. Better
> you than me.... :-)
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 23:08
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> Don't know about a 50 cal 6 shot pistol but our SOS guys and the Army
> snipers have a new 50 auto sniper rifle.
>
> Otherwise a .454 magnum would be a nice choice. Load hollow points and you
> have stopping power.
>
> Can't believe that a couple of my friends stalked those things feeding on
> trout with bows. They were not stupid though. They did have a guide
> backing them up with a 7 mm Mag auto.
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:02 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> All this gun stuff. In the Army I was in, they taught us how to shoot to
> kill the first shoot and that huge bore guns were just to heavy. And
> using my Army taught skills, I killed many a deer with a single shot
> (30.06) (one at 325yds). So as survival gun I figured one only needed to
> carry something like the little folding 410/22 the USAF used to issue
> years ago. I mean like you need only a bird or rabbit to get you though.
> Right?
>
>
> That is until I found a couple of pictures out of Alaska. A Forest
> Service guy HAD to kill a charging grizzly. This bear stood over 14'
> tall (12'6" at the shoulder). The ranger emptied his 7mm Mag before the
> bear fell. Still alive, he reloaded and pumped several rounds into its
> head. This bear's paws were bigger than this guys chest. It is the
> biggest grizzly on record. They later found the remains of a hiker that
> the bear had kill a few day earlier, who had emptied his 38 into the bear.
>
>
> Since I plan at some time in my short remaining life to fly my CJ to
> Alaska (yea sure), does anyone know where I can get a 50 cal 10 shot, full
> automatic pistol?
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
>
>
> Jan,
> You are absolutely right. Freedom comes with a Price. It has to be paid in
> blood about every 20 years otherwise the Tyrants take over uncontested.
> That
> is why the politicians do not want the citizens armed. That is why some of
> our left leaning leaders want us disarmed also.
> Thank you, but I feel safer knowing I can defend myself rather than
> waiting
> on the response time of our city police!
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> The laws on weapons in most of the European countries were slowly modified
> and became much more severe since the fall of the communist empire, the
> Soviet Union; at the end of the 80ties, beginning of the 90ties. I don't
> know why.
>
> The more our politicians and certainly the media talk about democracy, the
> less we have it. Just like the former German Democratic Republic (Eastern
> Germany).
>
> In the mean time Brussels, the would-be capital of Europe, has become a
> serious home-basis for Al Qaida. There are already parts of the town where
> the police does not dare to go anymore. And in a specific part of the
> city,
> there are islamic judges (the "khadi's") that speak right. This is
> completely unlegal, but nothing is done. During the Ramadan, collaborators
> of these khadi's, dressed in green, behave like police-officers.
>
> The media carry a very great responsibility. A lot of people in (West-)
> Europe have forgotten that you have to fight for your freedom.
>
> Unfortunately I'm too old to emigrate.
>
> Jan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 18:51
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Sad but true Jan. How soon the lessons learned from WW-II are forgotten.
> I
> am not going to "brag" about the United States because there are a lot of
> idiots in this country as well, many of whom feel that the Constitution is
> outdated and ridiculous, most especially the 2nd Amendment. These same
> people simply refuse to believe facts either... In that every State of
> this
> country that has enacted "Right To Carry" laws (and that is MOST of them)
> have had a noted reduction in violent crime. To be totally honest, one
> also
> has to report that NON violent crime has in turn RISEN in those same
> states,
> which goes to prove that not ALL criminals are stupid.
>
> Interesting to hear from an educated person who lives in a country which
> does not believe its citizens should be allowed to protect themselves from
> deadly force.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:15
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> Amazing how easy it is for you guys to carry a weapon. Here in Europe, the
> only ones who have guns, are criminals and the police-officers. Decent
> citizens are supposed to be protected by "the law", so they must not have
> any weapon. And if you happen to have a gun, even if it's something old
> from
> your grandfather dating back to the first World War, then you'd better
> destroy it. Otherwise you are in big trouble...
>
>
> Jan Mevis
> RA2005K YK50
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
> Sent: vrijdag 16 november 2007 7:34
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Glock 23 compact. When I got mine the 40 S&W was so new there was no ammo
> available in SA, managed to get cases and had to roll my own. There was
> also no load data available yet. Over the years its given good service.
> I
> bought it for its simplicity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: 16 November 2007 12:41 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Brian, I would suggest you take a look at some of the Kimber models. I
> have a few. I think you'd love them.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:59
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> > Do say anything about that Marine thing of never carry a weapon to a
> > fight that has anything less than a 4 in it.
>
> I will go along with that. I have been an aficionado of the .45ACP for as
> long as I can remember. A 1911A1 is my carry gun.
>
> But I have been tempted to try something chambered for the .40cal S&W
> round
> the FBI favors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
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>
> ________________________________
>
> See
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
No please let's talk about MMO
On Nov 19, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> latest info on Flight Suits in the RPA! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
As I am about to hang up my slide rule for calculating weight & balance on the
mighty Herk, I will pick up a new toy on the HH-60G....now if I could figure out
how to mount this on the -50!
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/minigun.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> There is a test procedure for checking that system Brian, (the auto
> lean system) but darn if I remember it off the top of my head. If
> you would like, I will look it up and post it.
I would certainly be interested. I bet Dennis knows it off the top of
his head.
You know, it would probably be useful to find someone who has a flow
bench and could calibrate carburetors. My guess is that a shop that
overhauls Bendix RSA injection systems could do the job. The Bendix
RSA fuel control servo is virtually identical to our pressure carbs.
And then there is a very simple point. We can calculate it. If we
know the MAP, engine RPM, displacement of the engine, and
stoichiometric mixture, we can calculate the proper fuel flow. We can
even work it up for various rich and lean mixtures.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Yak'in Cross Country |
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> By the way, there is also the 50 GL. It is a .50 cal pistol built
> around a 1911 frame. Of course it is Semi-Auto, but with a little
> modding and proof that you have the right license, I am sure we can
> get it to go full auto. I'd love to see anyone try to hold on to
> it though......
Ever seen a 1911A1 break its seer and go full-auto? I have. The
shooter was a pro and a full magazien ended up on the target. However
it did spoil his group.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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| Subject: | Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier |
On Nov 19, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> Do any of these parts have dangerous levels of lead in them or is
> that just the toys coming out of mainland China?
Of course they do. Radium too.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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Fuses generally protect equipment. They come in fast-blow for electronics,
slow blow for things with a powerup surge, and normal. Wires are very tol
erant of short duration surges and are generally protected by circuit break
ers> From: brian-1927@lloyd.com> Subject: Re: Yak-List: fuse> Date: Tue, 13
Nov 2007 15:53:21 -0800> To: yak-list@matronics.com> > --> Yak-List messag
e posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>> > > On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:
49 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, > MALS-14 64E wrote:> > > -
, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>> >> > One comment. I want to repl
ace that fuse with a circuit breaker > > myself,> > but keep in mind that t
he "reaction time" of a fuse is faster than the> > typical aircraft circuit
breaker. Aircraft breakers can easily> > withstand 150% of rated load for
a few second before blowing. Fuses> > react faster than that.> > And the is
sue is protecting the wiring. Go with a fusible link.> > --> Brian Lloyd 31
91 Western Drive> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)> > I fly because it release
s my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .> =97 Antoine de Saint-Exup
=E9ry> > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture too rich? |
On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> And then there is a very simple point. We can calculate it. If we
> know the MAP, engine RPM, displacement of the engine, and
> stoichiometric mixture, we can calculate the proper fuel flow. We
> can even work it up for various rich and lean mixtures.
Oh, I forgot temperature.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | New Ownership for Cdn. CJ |
Hi all,,,
Just had to share. This evening I concluded a deal for my new Chang
C-FXMI... will be flying with me soon.
Thank you to all who gave me advice, and all of your words of encouragement.
I have to brag now <grin>
Here she is: (I can't figure out how to post a picture or a movie)
Mike
Nanchang CJ-6A Serial # 1332012, Registered as Canadian C-FXMI
The aircraft was then disassembled for full inspection, painted,
modified as noted below, reassembled and certified with a
Certificate of Airworthiness in December, 1994.
Both night and aerobatic certifications have since been received from
Transport
Canada
This CJ is a 1965 model with 3,400 airframe and 339 engine hours
since installation of a "0" time since first factory overhaul stock Housai
engine four years ago. Propellor is new, "0" time in Dec. 2004 - replaced
at the 10 year standard overhaul time for all Canadian aircraft.
The aircraft is painted in the colours of a
Soviet Guards Sqn. of circa 1943. Both cockpits have been
refinished in standard military grey. Both airspeed indicators and
altimeters have been replaced with knots and feet respectively. Standard
equipment includes stock inverter-powered A/H and gyrosyn compasses in each
cockpit.
All modifications, installations, annuals, and periodic maintenance have
been undertaken through Victoria Air Maintenance. Modifications or
improvements include:
* -tinted new canopy (plexiglass is provided by a Seattle firm);
* -enlarged (plug added) fuel tanks, for total 53 US Gal (204
litres).
* -Cleveland nose wheel conversion
* -auxiliary air bottle with separate selector valve, gauge and
plumbing (the tank is also recharged by the engine compressor similar to the
standard tank);
* -EGT and OAT gauges, plus "G" meter;
* -functional stock instrument lighting & pitot heat;
* -luggage compartment behind the rear seat
* -alternate static (cockpit air);
* -pre-oiler;
* -avionics installation of Narco Com 810 TSO, Narco Nav 825 TSO,
Narco ILS Loc & GS; Apollo II Morrow 2001 NMS GPS, King KT-76A transponder
plus encoder, plus ELT;
* -100% stainless steel exhaust conversion, installed with new
engine in December, 2000;
* -Reinforced wing walk;
* -Standard North American Halogen sealed beam landing light
conversion;
* -Replaced upper stabilizer fairings with new, for improved
appearance;
-All instruments and controls are functional in both cockpits.
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| Subject: | Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ |
Mike,
Good for you! Welcome to the exclusive club of people who have enough moxi
e
and eye for beauty to pick a CJ OVER a Yak. ;-)
You need only now to fly a lot and get your self down to Oshkosh next year
to help celibate her Fifth birthday.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:34:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thebourgets@cia.com writes:
Hi all,,,
Just had to share. This evening I concluded a deal for my new Chang
C-FXMI... will be flying with me soon.
Thank you to all who gave me advice, and all of your words of encouragement
.
I have to brag now <grin>
Here she is: (I can=99t figure out how to post a picture or a movie)
Mike
Nanchang CJ-6A Serial # 1332012, Registered as Canadian C-FXMI
The aircraft was then disassembled for full inspection, painted,
modified as noted below, reassembled and certified with a
Certificate of Airworthiness in December, 1994.
Both night and aerobatic certifications have since been received from
Transport
Canada
This CJ is a 1965 model with 3,400 airframe and 339 engine hours
since installation of a =9C0=9D time since first factory overha
ul stock Housai
engine four years ago. Propellor is new, =9C0=9D time in Dec.
2004 =93 replaced
at the 10 year standard overhaul time for all Canadian aircraft.
The aircraft is painted in the colours of a
Soviet Guards Sqn. of circa 1943. Both cockpits have been
refinished in standard military grey. Both airspeed indicators and
altimeters have been replaced with knots and feet respectively. Standard
equipment includes stock inverter-powered A/H and gyrosyn compasses in eac
h
cockpit.
All modifications, installations, annuals, and periodic maintenance have
been undertaken through Victoria Air Maintenance. Modifications or improvem
ents
include:
=C2=B7 -tinted new canopy (plexiglass is provided by a Seattle fi
rm);
=C2=B7 -enlarged (plug added) fuel tanks, for total 53 US Gal (204
litres).
=C2=B7 -Cleveland nose wheel conversion
=C2=B7 -auxiliary air bottle with separate selector valve, gauge a
nd
plumbing (the tank is also recharged by the engine compressor similar to th
e
standard tank);
=C2=B7 -EGT and OAT gauges, plus =9CG=9D meter;
=C2=B7 -functional stock instrument lighting & pitot heat;
=C2=B7 -luggage compartment behind the rear seat
=C2=B7 -alternate static (cockpit air);
=C2=B7 -pre-oiler;
=C2=B7 -avionics installation of Narco Com 810 TSO, Narco Nav 825
TSO,
Narco ILS Loc & GS; Apollo II Morrow 2001 NMS GPS, King KT-76A transponder
plus encoder, plus ELT;
=C2=B7 -100% stainless steel exhaust conversion, installed with ne
w
engine in December, 2000;
=C2=B7 -Reinforced wing walk;
=C2=B7 -Standard North American Halogen sealed beam landing light
conversion;
=C2=B7 -Replaced upper stabilizer fairings with new, for improved
appearance;
-All instruments and controls are functional in both cockpits.
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
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On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Ron Davis wrote:
>
> Fuses generally protect equipment. They come in fast-blow for
> electronics, slow blow for things with a powerup surge, and
> normal. Wires are very tolerant of short duration surges and are
> generally protected by circuit breakers
Well, actually no. Fuses and/or breakers are there to protect the
wiring. Some people want them to do double duty and protect the
equipment too but that is not their primary purpose. Devices are
supposed to have their own protection internally.
And just because that is what is *supposed* to happen doesn't mean
that is what really happens.
FWIW, when I wire up an aircraft, I normally install only one circuit
breaker -- the alternator field circuit. The OV circuit is a crowbar
across the field circuit thus forcibly shutting down the alternator
by shorting the field to ground and popping the breaker. This is
pretty hard to ignore. For everything else, there are fuses.
Far and away the most reliable devices are automotive fuses and fuse
blocks. These are much simpler and more reliable the circuit
breakers. In addition to using fuses I put the fuse block where the
pilot can't get to it. This removes the temptation to dick around
with things until you impact the ground. By placing the fuses out of
reach the pilot just has to accept the fact that this circuit is out-
of-service until (s)he lands.
BTW, if a circuit being OOS causes panic and chest constriction then
you need to rethink how that circuit works and perhaps install some
sort of backup.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ |
Starting to fix up my leave request now (Air traffic controller, need to ask for
leave well in advance)
I will be at Osh this year... I've already have 4 requests for GIB's :P
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: New Ownership for Cdn. CJ |
thought I 'd send some pics....
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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> BTW, if a circuit being OOS causes panic and chest constriction
> then you need to rethink how that circuit works and perhaps install
> some sort of backup.
And before someone points out that resetting the circuit breaker may
restore service to the critical circuit I want to add that being able
to reset the circuit breaker is not likely to make the circuit work
again unless the reason was a nuisance trip due to an undersized
breaker. If a breaker trips off or a fuse blows it means something is
wrong and you shouldn't be fiddling with it in flight. If a circuit
is so critical that you can't do without it, having a circuit breaker
doesn't make it better. Rethink the circuit so that you can
comfortably complete a flight no matter which circuit fails.
Oh, and use fusible links for the bus feed from the battery and for
the alternator output. They are a LOT more reliable than either fuses
or breakers. That is why the automotive industry switched to them.
And for those of you wondering what a fusible link is, it is a piece
of ordinary wire two wire gauges smaller than the wire it is supposed
to protect. If something shorts your big circuit to ground the
fusible link will burn instead of the rest of the wiring. They are
easy to fabricate and dead-nuts reliable.
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| Subject: | Re: top Chinnes aircraft spare parts supplier |
Mr. Dough,
If there is only one issue about the part list, we owe you an apology. We apologize
officially here for using some of your part numbers without your permission
first. Consequently, we won't use those part numbers anywhere whenever unless
we got them from our other suppliers with their official permission. We surely
comply with American game rules if we want to take part in this market.
We actually have deleted them from our stock list immediately after we got your
letter. Yet, why we prefer to apologize here is simple that we just cann't stand
your tone and words in that letter.
Regards,
frank
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