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1. 11:30 AM - Housai overhaul life (Jay McIntyre)
2. 12:03 PM - Re: Housai overhaul life (Doug Sapp)
3. 01:12 PM - Re: Yak'in Cross Country (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
4. 01:33 PM - Re: fuse (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 04:18 PM - Re: LED replacement lamps (Ernie)
6. 07:05 PM - 2008 Waycross GA Fly-In (Red Star Pilot's Association)
7. 09:20 PM - Re: (no subject) (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | Housai overhaul life |
Hi all...
Just out of curiosity... has anyone out there seen it written that the
Housai overhaul life in China is 600 hours. If so, where do I find it?
Regards, Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Housai overhaul life |
Jay,
It's in your logs. On page 99 I think, most Chinese vendors include
this page with the photo copies of the log.
Best,
Doug
Jay McIntyre wrote:
> Hi all...
> Just out of curiosity... has anyone out there seen it written that the
> Housai overhaul life in China is 600 hours. If so, where do I find it?
>
> Regards, Jay
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| Subject: | Yak'in Cross Country |
Probably a smart move in the end.
Best Regards,
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 22:41
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
To Doc and Mark B.:
Thanks for both of your responses as to what"s "Legal" to carry. Since "my" 1911
Colt 45 "may" have USN ancestry, and since I have come to think of it
as mine over the past 60+ years, I believe I'll refrain from putting it .into
the hands of a squadron armouror-even for the purpose of having him re-issue
it. There is always the potential for some energetic, over zealous second
LT. to attempt reclamation. I'd hate to lose a treasured family heirloom like
this.
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well damned...needs to be!
Will see if I need the sealant after this evening. I am going to put fuel in her
and see if it leaks! If it does, there is a ton of Pro Seal to scrap and sand
off!
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
But DOC... HE IS NOT IN THE AIR FORCE! :-) Heh heh....
Mark
P.s. I have a tube of sealant if you want me to send it.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 15:28
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
No doubt, I have seen some unique weapons carried. Just for the fighter aircrew,
it is frowned on to have a personal weapon. Again I have seen different carried
and also know what happened to that weapon when it was discovered. I would
hate to lose a family heirloom.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You are absolutely correct. However, with all due respect... The Air Force has
always been very fond of the rules. The Marine Corps is too, until the rules
get in the way of accomplishing the mission, and then they go right out the window.
Fact is, it is well nigh impossible to tell the difference between a 1911A1
.45 issued by the Govt., and a 1911A1 issued by the Govt.!!! If Cliff's weapon
is indeed an original Govt. issued model, the very only person who could ever
tell the difference is the Amorer. If that gent is willing to draw up an "Issue
Card" on the weapon, he is just about... Within a bare fraction, of actually
putting it BACK into Govt. service. Not quite... And yes, it would be not
quite legal. However, if you take that route, the Armorer checks it out and makes
sure it is safe, and thereby accomplishes the main mission, and also can come
to get it when you no longer are allowed
to carry it.
This is not an argument, it's just a statement of fact. "Zero Tolerance" is a
matter of perspective and if you don't believe that, you ought to check out what
SpecOps members carry, or better yet see examples of how individual units have
directly purchased things like weapon accessories, body armor, etc.
Typically when you are in a unit that is actually getting shot at and people are
ending up dead and wounded, "Zero Tolerance" tends to be something other than
"Zero" anymore, and personally, that is a circumstance that I support as well.
Of course many people would call me a criminal for evening voicing such an view.
Oh well.
Mark Bitterlich
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 19:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Mark,
The Guard is real touchy about "unauthorized" weapons in theater. The SPs, armorers,
and commanders have a zero tolerance for that. Tradition and all, it is
not worth the heartache. The Berreta 9 mm was/is the handgun of choice in the
AF. At least that is what we are issued in the fighters.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
You did not ask me Cliff, but since I go where your son does on a regular basis,
I thought I'd fill you in on present day regulations.
There is no restriction from carrying any weapon you want to, as long as it is
"Government Issued". There is a very clear and concise order PROHIBITING anyone
from carrying a "Personally owned weapon". The INTENT of these orders is to
prevent a lot of things that seem to have become important since wars even so
recent as Korea. The military does NOT want it's men to be armed without them
knowing about it, and they say they can't be sure of the quality and there-fore
the safety of privately made or owned weapons.
Don't try to argue with these rules with common sense. Common sense rarely if
ever works with any military branch, or Govt. Office for that matter.
So that said, that does not mean you can NOT carry a .45 The .45ACP is
still issued as a carry weapon in many forms in the military. If you know the
right people, you could carry a Thompson sub-machinegun if you wanted to!
That said, if your 1911 Colt has Govt. Markings ... You son needs to get to know
his units armorer. If you meet the right guy, you could simply have him check
your weapon into the armorer and then ISSUE it to your son as authorized. Not
legal really... But things like that happen all the time.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Ret.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 23:43
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
Doc or Brian,
My son just returned from Kandahar in Afghanastan; his Guard unit flies C-130s.
I asked him what kind of side arms he carried, he said he was only allowed to
carry standard gov issue- whatever that was I don't recall. I wanted him to carry
my 1911 model Colt 45 which i've had since WW 2 ; it appears not to be acceptable
to the present day command;. from your experience ,have YOU encountered
such restriction? If so, what is the reason ? Thanks for your response.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Yes, Berretta's. No Mark I have a Browning. It was easier to get parts for at the
time as we were converting from S&W .38's. Now those were pop guns.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak'in Cross Country
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Absolutely. If I owned the Taurus Judge, I would recommend it over
> every other weapon to carry on a cross country. No question. I would
> be hard put to not bring along my Kimber .45ACP CDP though. I feel
> kind of naked without it. In Iraq I carry a 9mm popgun, probably the
> same as yours Doc! :-)
Why would anyone carry a 9mm, especially into combat?
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Good info as usual Brian.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 21:01
Subject: Re: Yak-List: fuse
On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> And for some reason the Russians put big fuses in the main
> electrical panel, and then used switched circuit breakers to come
> off the main and feed the actual equipment. Go figure.
It makes sense. Protect the main feed from a gross overload and then
protect the individual circuits (you have to do that anyway). I am
talking about doing exactly the same thing but cheaper and more
reliably. An automotive fuse block that is protected by a fusible
link with individual fuse-protected circuits that are switched by
ordinary switches is both cheaper (by a LONG shot) and more reliable.
> And for Brian.... Just sitting here wondering what the electrical
> difference was between a fusible link and an actual fuse. I guess
> the only real difference is one has a holder and thus is USUALLY
> easy to swap out while the fusible link requires a wire cutter and
> new crimps to repair? :-)
Yes. Oh, and it won't fail in-flight for mechanical reasons. And how
often have you had to replace a fuse because it has blown to protect
the circuit and how often have you had to replace it because it has
failed, "I don't know why?"
> Actually most fuse holders I have seen go bad before the actual
> fuse ever fails! Either corrosion attacks them, or the internal
> springs of some models causes the structure to fail. This is true
> except for the very best types of military models used in Govt.
> aircraft.
Precisely. That is the advantage of a fusible link and the automotive
type fuse. The old 3AG-type fuseholder has very low pressure contacts
and is prone to failure from corrosion. The automotive ATO/ATC-type
fuse uses a high-pressure gas-tight contact (referring to the metal-
to-metal contact) that is unlikely to fail during a normal lifetime.
(Meaning, it will last longer than the rest of the parts in your
airplane.)
>
> Some other things to ponder:
>
> 1. Some fuse holders are prohibited from being used in military
> aircraft since they are made from PVC. Something to consider.
Consider that this is a different environment. We aren't flying
military aircraft in combat so there is less chance of having to deal
with in-flight fire.
> 2. When a fusible link lets go, it means that the wire inside has
> MELTED.
Same with a fuse.
> An actual fuse has some kind of cover to protect that melting metal.
And so does a fusible link.
> A fusible link has just the standard insulation.
No. The fusible links we use/make for aviation use are covered with a
glass-fiber high-temp covering that prevents any flame from escaping
and provides thermal insulation to prevent igniting nearby
components. The fusible link burns through without damaging anything
around it.
Here are pictures of how to fabricate a high-rel, high-safety fusible
link:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Fuses/Fusible_Links/
> When using a fusible link vice a fuse, placement of this link is
> critical as it is possible to achieve an open flame for a split
> second when it fails. What is your view on that aspect Brian?
It doesn't happen for the reasons listed above. A fusible link is
just as safe in its failure mode as is a fuse, perhaps more safe.
Fusible links aren't damaged by impact and are completely insulated.
You can drop a wrench on it and not have someone give you the
callsign "sparky". Fusible links are impervious to vibration and
moisture. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that a fusible
link is better and cheaper than a fuse.
And consider one other thing -- most standard (3AG) fuses and
breakers don't end up failing by doing their job of protecting the
circuit to which they are attached. They usually fail for
environmental reasons. Corrosion causes a high-resistance contact
which causes the fuse to get hot and fail at a lower current.
Breakers get "weak" with time. Going to automotive fuses and fusible
links reduces this type of failure to a very low level, resulting in
a more reliable electrical system over time. Add to that lower cost,
better availability, and greater simplicity, it is difficult to see
why anyone would want to keep going with more expensive, less
reliable components.
OTOH, a side panel filled with $50 circuit breakers sure looks cool!
But I can think of better ways to spend $750 than to protect 15
circuits and look cool.
There is still one place to use a breaker: use it in a circuit where
you might need to disable that circuit such as the alternator field
or the power feed to your autopilot servo. Other than that ...
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Re: LED replacement lamps |
I just received my lamps. They dont work in a CJ, the bayonette part is much smaller
than whats in my CJ. Apparently Yaks have different bulbs than CJ's.
Any Yak drivers need a full set of lights, just cost me $90 + shipping.
Ernie
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Hear, hear!
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