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1. 12:12 AM - Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:14 AM - Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:42 AM - New FAA Ops Limits and RPA Magazine (Drew)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace (viperdoc)
5. 09:14 AM - Heating (John Alber)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Heating (Roger Kemp)
7. 12:10 PM - Re: Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace (N13472@aol.com)
8. 01:26 PM - Just found a nice Commemorative Yak-50 Cup on Ebay (Cliff Coy)
9. 02:58 PM - Re: Just found a nice Commemorative Yak-50 Cup on Ebay (Roger Kemp)
10. 05:45 PM - Re: Heating (Dave Laird)
11. 10:36 PM - Re: Heating (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace |
Posted by George Coy. Champion must think we have some VERY deep
pockets........!!!!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of
Contributors
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>
> Well,
> M14P users Champion Aerospace has developed a spark plug
> specifically for the M14P engine. It is the RVL38S. It has been tested in
> the engines at the Motorstar facility and ran about 300 hours in a Kamov
> helicopter with M14P engine. (the hardest duty). The results were very
> good.
> They claim easier starts, less fowling and smoother operations.
> I understand that Harvey Meek has also been running them with good
> results.
> The bad news is that when I asked for a quote on the for a large
> quantity the price quoted is $128.35 each. That means it will ONLY cost
> $2,310.3 to outfit your engine!
> I have no idea what Champion Aerospace is thinking, but it is
> certainly not about the aircraft owners!
>
>
> George S. Coy
> President
> Gesoco Industries Inc.
> 629 Airport Rd.
> Swanton, VT 05488 USA
> George@gesoco.com
> george.coy@ gmail.com
> Phone +1-802-868-5633
> Fax +1-802-868-4465
> SKYPE: GEORGE.COY
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New FAA Ops Limits and RPA Magazine |
Folks,
The FAA change guidance to the 300/600 NM restriction and how to obtain this relief
is on the RPA website under "communications" - "RPA News" as links to instructions
and you can downloadthe A-200 letter authorizing the change (to have
on hand when you make therequest to your FSDO). Instructions are also in the
RPA magazine which is at the printers.
Drew
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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| Subject: | Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace |
Champion...... ......do you know what that sound was?
Your cash register sitting idle!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Posted by George Coy. Champion must think we have some VERY deep
pockets........!!!!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of
Contributors
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>
> Well,
> M14P users Champion Aerospace has developed a spark plug
> specifically for the M14P engine. It is the RVL38S. It has been tested in
> the engines at the Motorstar facility and ran about 300 hours in a Kamov
> helicopter with M14P engine. (the hardest duty). The results were very
> good.
> They claim easier starts, less fowling and smoother operations.
> I understand that Harvey Meek has also been running them with good
> results.
> The bad news is that when I asked for a quote on the for a large
> quantity the price quoted is $128.35 each. That means it will ONLY cost
> $2,310.3 to outfit your engine!
> I have no idea what Champion Aerospace is thinking, but it is
> certainly not about the aircraft owners!
>
>
> George S. Coy
> President
> Gesoco Industries Inc.
> 629 Airport Rd.
> Swanton, VT 05488 USA
> George@gesoco.com
> george.coy@ gmail.com
> Phone +1-802-868-5633
> Fax +1-802-868-4465
> SKYPE: GEORGE.COY
>
>
>
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To all who are thinking about winter heating issues: there is a thought-provoking
article in Aviation Safety this month.
One of the fundamental points of the article is that aircraft engines are built
with clearances optimized for room termperature and above. When engines are
cold sinked, clearances are reduced to the point that oil will not penetrate
and metal to metal contact results. The problem is exacerbated when metals with
different expansion rates (e.g. aluminum and steel) are adjacent to each other.
The article discourages hand propping of cold sinked engines, saying that doing
so can score metal surfaces and spin bearings that are bound up. By inference,
the article also suggests that heating an oil reservoir alone is not enough.
The engine will still be cold when it turns over and damage will result.
Over the years, I've used three approaches: EZHeat pads on the oil tank, Red
Dragon portable heaters and, currently, a salamander mounted on a high, rolling
steel table. I open the gills and point the salamander straight into the engine
compartment. I like the salamander the best. It moves a lot of heated air
through the engine compartment and warms the oil reservoir, the sump, the cylinders--everything
ahead of the firewall. It even warms up the cockpit a little.
I begin to use it at 50 degrees F and below. In the dead of winter, it takes
an hour to warm things up nicely. Warms the hangar too.
John
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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Good article. These YAKs are so pampered it is pathetic. Not long ago, I had
a picture of a 52 on skis with a smudge pots burning under the noses of the
others on the line to warm the engines. This particular picture had two
pilots on board with the engine running and the crew chief standing by for
taxi form their snow drift. The underside of the cowling was black from soot
as was the side of the fuselage blackened from oil. It was painted in the
standard DOSAAF colors. Anyone seen that picture lately?
With oil dilution for 0 deg C or worse and smudge pots under their noses'
sitting on the Siberian Tarmac they still started and flew. Tough birds they
are!
Mine live in nice warm 45deg F heated hanger ( could be higher temp but)
with no exposure to the elements drinking 100 LL fuel. They have to believe
they have died and gone to YAK heaven. Why they even get wiped down after
every sortie or at least at the end of the flying day so they are always
putting their best tire forward for the envious passers-by.
Pampered I tell ya..pampered they are!
Damned these planes are fun!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Heating
To all who are thinking about winter heating issues: there is a
thought-provoking article in Aviation Safety this month.
One of the fundamental points of the article is that aircraft engines are
built with clearances optimized for room termperature and above. When
engines are cold sinked, clearances are reduced to the point that oil will
not penetrate and metal to metal contact results. The problem is exacerbated
when metals with different expansion rates (e.g. aluminum and steel) are
adjacent to each other.
The article discourages hand propping of cold sinked engines, saying that
doing so can score metal surfaces and spin bearings that are bound up. By
inference, the article also suggests that heating an oil reservoir alone is
not enough. The engine will still be cold when it turns over and damage will
result.
Over the years, I've used three approaches: EZHeat pads on the oil tank, Red
Dragon portable heaters and, currently, a salamander mounted on a high,
rolling steel table. I open the gills and point the salamander straight into
the engine compartment. I like the salamander the best. It moves a lot of
heated air through the engine compartment and warms the oil reservoir, the
sump, the cylinders--everything ahead of the firewall. It even warms up the
cockpit a little.
I begin to use it at 50 degrees F and below. In the dead of winter, it takes
an hour to warm things up nicely. Warms the hangar too.
John
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: New spark plugs from Champion Aerospace |
In a message dated 12/6/2007 7:23:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Posted by George Coy. Champion must think we have some VERY deep
pockets........!!!!
Dennis
Yeh! the next thing will be Champion going to the feds saying the Russian
plugs are NFG and they need
to issue an AD mandating US plugs.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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| Subject: | Just found a nice Commemorative Yak-50 Cup on Ebay |
Nice commemorative cup of "BonesFest" 2007.
Should be good for letting the steam off a few -nudge nudge wink wink-
Check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Yak-50-52-Operation-Bonesfest-Commemorative-Cup_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6755QQihZ008QQitemZ180190237013QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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| Subject: | Just found a nice Commemorative Yak-50 Cup on Ebay |
AH, I get it selling cups to rebuild our 50s'! Smooth move. I think a new
call sign is in order!
Grinder
Tails
Stubby
Skidder
Chomper
To name a few.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Coy
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Just found a nice Commemorative Yak-50 Cup on Ebay
Nice commemorative cup of "BonesFest" 2007.
Should be good for letting the steam off a few -nudge nudge wink wink-
Check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Yak-50-52-Operation-Bonesfest-Commemorative-C
up_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6755QQihZ008QQitemZ180190237013QQrdZ1QQsspagen
ameZWDVW#ebayphotohosting
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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Hi John,
What kind of salamander do you use? Is it fueled by kerosene or
propane? Also, how many BTU's does it generate?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas (ADS)
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That's correct, Doc !
I personnally spend much more time in maintaining and cleaning than flying,
and probably I'm not the only one.
Jan
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: donderdag 6 december 2007 19:44
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Heating
Good article. These YAKs are so pampered it is pathetic. Not long ago, I had
a picture of a 52 on skis with a smudge pots burning under the noses of the
others on the line to warm the engines. This particular picture had two
pilots on board with the engine running and the crew chief standing by for
taxi form their snow drift. The underside of the cowling was black from soot
as was the side of the fuselage blackened from oil. It was painted in the
standard DOSAAF colors. Anyone seen that picture lately?
With oil dilution for 0 deg C or worse and smudge pots under their noses'
sitting on the Siberian Tarmac they still started and flew. Tough birds they
are!
Mine live in nice warm 45deg F heated hanger ( could be higher temp but)
with no exposure to the elements drinking 100 LL fuel. They have to believe
they have died and gone to YAK heaven. Why they even get wiped down after
every sortie or at least at the end of the flying day so they are always
putting their best tire forward for the envious passers-by.
Pampered I tell ya..pampered they are!
Damned these planes are fun!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Alber
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Heating
To all who are thinking about winter heating issues: there is a
thought-provoking article in Aviation Safety this month.
One of the fundamental points of the article is that aircraft engines are
built with clearances optimized for room termperature and above. When
engines are cold sinked, clearances are reduced to the point that oil will
not penetrate and metal to metal contact results. The problem is exacerbated
when metals with different expansion rates (e.g. aluminum and steel) are
adjacent to each other.
The article discourages hand propping of cold sinked engines, saying that
doing so can score metal surfaces and spin bearings that are bound up. By
inference, the article also suggests that heating an oil reservoir alone is
not enough. The engine will still be cold when it turns over and damage will
result.
Over the years, I've used three approaches: EZHeat pads on the oil tank, Red
Dragon portable heaters and, currently, a salamander mounted on a high,
rolling steel table. I open the gills and point the salamander straight into
the engine compartment. I like the salamander the best. It moves a lot of
heated air through the engine compartment and warms the oil reservoir, the
sump, the cylinders--everything ahead of the firewall. It even warms up the
cockpit a little.
I begin to use it at 50 degrees F and below. In the dead of winter, it takes
an hour to warm things up nicely. Warms the hangar too.
John
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
314-259-2144
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