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1. 04:18 AM - Distance restrictions in the Yak? (GreasySideUp)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Vynal stickers (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Distance restrictions in the Yak? (Roger Kemp)
4. 07:35 AM - (Richard Goode)
5. 08:09 AM - Re: Distance restrictions in the Yak? (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (DaBear)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Torque Curve HS6A (Jim Bernier)
9. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (kp)
10. 11:20 AM - Re: Distance restrictions in the Yak? (Brian Lloyd)
11. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (Roger Kemp)
12. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (Roger Kemp)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: LOL (Jim Bernier)
14. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (N13472@aol.com)
15. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. (viperdoc)
16. 09:11 PM - Re: Copied from M14 List (M14 on e bay) (jetjockey)
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| Subject: | Distance restrictions in the Yak? |
I keep reading posts regarding changing limits on where we can fly these birds
but I am unclear.
Can I not take off and fly where ever I want? Could I fly to the Bahamas? Is there
a cross country limit? Is a 350nm XC legal? A 1000 nm?
I hope I am misreading all these posts, I'm not sure what the original rule was
or how it is changing.
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151415#151415
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| Subject: | Re: Vynal stickers |
I have all the vinyl decals in stock.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vynal stickers
If somebody has PICTURES of the below stuff, I can make vector
artwork...
Jon
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:49:13 -0800
From: lacloudchaser@yahoo.com
Subject: Yak-List: Vynal stickers
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Does anyone have the vector art for the canopy rescue arrows - or
the vynal?
Also, the ICAO fuel placards would be nice.
Off list if able, thanks!
Drew
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| Subject: | Distance restrictions in the Yak? |
Greasy,
The original limit was for the YAK 50, 52 and CJ. It was for 350 nm for
proficiency training, maintenance, or to fly to an air show. That was stated
in the Operating Limits that you received at the time of certification of
your aircraft or when you transferred ownership (you took). These were
issued by the FSDO or their appointed representatives (the DAR). Each year
you had to send a "Program Letter" to the FSDO outlining your planned
training itinerary for the upcoming year. On 11 Sept 2007, the FAA issued a
"Deviation from Order 8130.2" that originally required the Program Letter.
That is no longer required. You now have to request that requirement be
removed from your Operating Limitations form though.
With the removal of the limitations restricting you to 350 nm, you can go
anywhere you want in the US except Class B airspace unless directed by the
controllers. As for going to the Bahamas, I think you are restricted from
taking an experimental aircraft out of the country by the current Operating
Limits. AT least mine says I cannot take it to a foreign country.
Hope this helps. Some others on the list have more gouge on this than I.
Changing the letter does not much matter for me. I do not have the time I
can take away from my practice to go on 1000 nm XC's in an aircraft with 250
nm legs. Just takes too much time to get there and back.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GreasySideUp
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Distance restrictions in the Yak?
I keep reading posts regarding changing limits on where we can fly these
birds but I am unclear.
Can I not take off and fly where ever I want? Could I fly to the Bahamas?
Is there a cross country limit? Is a 350nm XC legal? A 1000 nm?
I hope I am misreading all these posts, I'm not sure what the original rule
was or how it is changing.
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151415#151415
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Starting procedures
Too many people have problems starting the M14P, and many do not stop to
think why.
In my view, the principal issues are:
a.. Clearly ALL oil needs to be out of the lower cylinders - and to
this end a manifold oil drain system is really important.
b.. In any case the propeller should be turned through at least ten
revolutions.
c.. Russian engineers will only turn the prop after priming IF the air
pressure is very low - and in my view is seldom necessary.
d.. It is not logical to have a fixed number of primes to the "system"
- i.e. carburettor, and to the cylinders, since air can be in the fuel
lines, and so the amount of fuel cannot be certain until the lines are
filled with fuel.
e.. An important point is to prime the "system" so that the
carburettor is filled with fuel, and excess is returning to the fuel
system. It does not matter how much the "system" is primed - the
excess will always return.
f.. However, on priming the cylinders you can find that the first few
primes are actually only pumping air - you can feel when you are pumping
fuel.
g.. Priming into the cylinders should be done carefully to avoid
over-priming. Once pumping fuel is felt, primes should range between
four and eight, depending on the engine and the coldness of the weather.
h.. Importantly starting is with the magnetos OFF.
i.. Having primed as above, the engine SHOULD start within a couple of
blades. If however it does not, there is no point in persisting to turn
the engine.
j.. Typically, if it is too weak it will not fire, and so needs more
priming.
k.. If it kicks back, then it is probably too rich, and in that case
it is worth switching everything off including the master-switch;
closing the throttle; getting out and turning the propeller in its
normal direction for (say) three revolutions.
l.. If primed correctly, and in reasonable condition they will always
start!
m.. Only when the engine fires, should you then switch the magnetos
on.
n.. You should be prepared to give an additional one / two primes
(depending on weather etc) into the cylinders immediately after firing
to keep the engine going, or you can pump the throttle to give the same
effect.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Distance restrictions in the Yak? |
If the aircraft has an Experimental - Exhibition airworthiness certificate,
there are Operating Limitations issued by the FAA that must be carried in
the aircraft at all times. The Operating Limitations, which are considered
part of the Special Airworthiness Certificate, spell out where and how the
aircraft can be operated. Yak 52's and CJ6's fall into this
category. With regards to your questions,
"Can I not take off and fly where ever I want?"
It depends on two things:
1-If the OL's were issued pre-1993 or post 9/19/2007 or 2- The wording in
the current operating limitions. If the OL's state 300 NM or 600 NM
proficiency area, that is your limitation as far as taking off and landing
anywhere you want, with the exception of Class B airports. You can have
the present OL's changed to remove the 300 or 600 NM proficiency area in
accordance with the letter issued by the FAA on 9/19/2007. See the RPA
website for instructions on how to proceed.
"Could I fly to the Bahamas?"
No. Read Section D on the back of the
Airworthiness Certificate. "....No person may operate the aircraft described
on the reverse side: (1) except in accordance with the applicable CFR and in
accordance with conditions and limitations which may be prescribed by the
Administrator as part of this
certificate; (2) over any foreign country without the special permission of
that country.
"... Also read FAR 45.22 Exhibition, antique, and other aircraft: "....
(c) No person may operate an aircraft under paragraph (a) or (b) of this
section-
(1) In an ADIZ or DEWIZ described in Part 99 of this chapter unless it
temporarily bears marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33;
(2) In a foreign country unless that country consents to that operation; or
(3) In any operation conducted under Part 121, 133, 135, or 137 of this
chapter.
(d) If, due to the configuration of an aircraft, it is impossible for a
person to mark it in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33, he may
apply to the Administrator for a different marking procedure.
45.29 SIZE OF MARKS
(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator of an aircraft penetrating an ADIZ or
DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft temporary or permanent nationality and
registration marks at least 12 inches high.
"Is there a cross country limit? Is a 350nm XC legal? A 1000 nm?" See
the answer above to "Can I take off and fly where I want?"
You should review the present Operating Limitations for the
Experimental-Exhibition aircraft. If there are none, then refer to FAA
Order 8130.2F CHG 3 and the FAA Memorandum-Removal of Proficiency Area.
Merry Christmas,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "GreasySideUp" <greasysideup@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Distance restrictions in the Yak?
>
> I keep reading posts regarding changing limits on where we can fly these
> birds but I am unclear.
>
> Can I not take off and fly where ever I want? Could I fly to the Bahamas?
> Is there a cross country limit? Is a 350nm XC legal? A 1000 nm?
>
> I hope I am misreading all these posts, I'm not sure what the original
> rule was or how it is changing.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151415#151415
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
What kind of plane is it? My first thought was the F16, but it has
front canard?
dabear
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> It's nice when you don't have a quzonar on the front
> Pappy.
>
> *From:* BernieBear00@aol.com <mailto:BernieBear00@aol.com>
> *Subject:* Close Encounter
>
>
>
> Photo shoot from the back of a C130, first pic (no number) has camera
> man on radio asking "come in a little closer for photo". final pic #5
> has pilot asking if this is close enough.
>
>
>
>
> TOM MASON
>
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
Its the new Euro fighter.
In a message dated 12/10/2007 11:36:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dabear@damned.org writes:
What kind of plane is it? My first thought was the F16, but it has
front canard?
dabear
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> It's nice when you don't have a quzonar on the front
> Pappy.
>
> *From:* BernieBear00@aol.com <mailto:BernieBear00@aol.com>
> *Subject:* Close Encounter
>
>
>
> Photo shoot from the back of a C130, first pic (no number) has camera
> man on radio asking "come in a little closer for photo". final pic #5
> has pilot asking if this is close enough.
>
>
>
>
> TOM MASON
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Curve HS6A |
Does anyone have a torque curve for the HS6A?
I've never seen one, but that does not say that one does not exist. Max.
torque would be a good place to cruise.
Jim B
>>> "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> 12/10/2007 9:26 AM
>>>
Starting procedures
Too many people have problems starting the M14P, and many do not stop to
think why.
In my view, the principal issues are:
Clearly ALL oil needs to be out of the lower cylinders - and to this end a
manifold oil drain system is really important.
In any case the propeller should be turned through at least ten revolutions
.
Russian engineers will only turn the prop after priming IF the air
pressure is very low - and in my view is seldom necessary.
It is not logical to have a fixed number of primes to the "system" - i.e.
carburettor, and to the cylinders, since air can be in the fuel lines,
and so the amount of fuel cannot be certain until the lines are filled
with fuel.
An important point is to prime the "system" so that the carburettor is
filled with fuel, and excess is returning to the fuel system. It does
not matter how much the "system" is primed - the excess will always
return.
However, on priming the cylinders you can find that the first few primes
are actually only pumping air - you can feel when you are pumping fuel.
Priming into the cylinders should be done carefully to avoid over-priming.
Once pumping fuel is felt, primes should range between four and eight,
depending on the engine and the coldness of the weather.
Importantly starting is with the magnetos OFF.
Having primed as above, the engine SHOULD start within a couple of blades.
If however it does not, there is no point in persisting to turn the
engine.
Typically, if it is too weak it will not fire, and so needs more
priming.
If it kicks back, then it is probably too rich, and in that case it is
worth switching everything off including the master-switch; closing the
throttle; getting out and turning the propeller in its normal direction
for (say) three revolutions.
If primed correctly, and in reasonable condition they will always
start!
Only when the engine fires, should you then switch the magnetos on.
You should be prepared to give an additional one / two primes (depending
on weather etc) into the cylinders immediately after firing to keep the
engine going, or you can pump the throttle to give the same effect.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com ( http://www.russianaeros.com/ )
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
Ok what am I missing here ?
I see no canards, in fact I see no photos at all ?
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots.
>
> What kind of plane is it? My first thought was the F16, but it has front
> canard?
>
>
> dabear
>
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>> It's nice when you don't have a quzonar on the front
>> Pappy.
>>
>> *From:* BernieBear00@aol.com <mailto:BernieBear00@aol.com>
>> *Subject:* Close Encounter
>>
>> Photo shoot from the back of a C130, first pic (no number) has camera
>> man on radio asking "come in a little closer for photo". final pic #5
>> has pilot asking if this is close enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> TOM MASON
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Distance restrictions in the Yak? |
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Roger Kemp wrote:
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> As for going to the Bahamas, I think you are restricted from
> taking an experimental aircraft out of the country by the current
> Operating
> Limits. AT least mine says I cannot take it to a foreign country.
Normally the limitation on operations in foreign airspace has to do
with the regulations of the country whose airspace you are
transiting. Most other countries do not recognize the operation of an
aircraft with an FAA-issued experimental airworthiness certificate
and require special dispensation. Usually this come in the form of a
letter of authorization from the aeronautical authority of that
country. This means that, if you want to fly to the Bahamas, you must
first get a letter of authorization from the Bahamian government to
fly an experimental aircraft in their airspace. This true for ALL
aircraft with an experimental AC including amateur-built.
So, even though we are pretty much free to fly anywhere we want to in
the US, that does *NOT* extend to foreign airspace. I had to deal
with this when flying in the Caribbean. Taking an aircraft with an
experimental AC down through the Bahamas and Caribbean is *painful*
as you have to get a letter of authorization from EVERY country whose
airspace you are flying through.
OTOH, you can just pick up and go, hoping that no one will notice.
They probably won't ... until you reenter US soil in Puerto Rico or
the USVI (or back in FL if you are just doing a quick hop over to
Bimini for lunch). At that point some butt-head in customs will
probably give you a hard time. Better to just jump through all the
hoops, painful though it may be.
If you need to fly in foreign airspace a lot you might want to find
out if you can register your aircraft in a country that operates the
Yak-52 under a normal airworthiness certificate. In that case the
problems with flying through foreign airspace go away (assuming
reciprocity). That might then have another effect on operating the
aircraft in the US and require you to get a pilots license from the
country that issues the AC and reg for your aircraft.
Speaking of customs butt-heads, I had one customs inspector get all
excited to tell me how he had recently confiscated someone's airplane
because they had made an unauthorized trip to Cuba. Seems the pilot
had made a completely legal trip to the Bahamas and then on to Cuba
but since he had not applied for special dispensation, his airplane
was confiscated when he returned. No due-process, no legal challenge.
Do not pass go. Do not collect your airplane. When dealing with the
US government over international flight BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!!!!
International operations are *SO* much fun!
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
EFA-2000 Eurofighter (Typhoon).
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots.
What kind of plane is it? My first thought was the F16, but it has
front canard?
dabear
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> It's nice when you don't have a quzonar on the front
> Pappy.
>
> *From:* BernieBear00@aol.com <mailto:BernieBear00@aol.com>
> *Subject:* Close Encounter
>
>
>
> Photo shoot from the back of a C130, first pic (no number) has camera
> man on radio asking "come in a little closer for photo". final pic #5
> has pilot asking if this is close enough.
>
>
>
>
> TOM MASON
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
Agree KP, there are no pictures. I have seen the photos they are talking
about in the past many times. It is of a sequential trail approach of a
Eurofighter as it slides up to the open ramp of a C-130 in flight. Just glad
the loadmaster had a harness on knowing the cubic meters of air that sucker
is drawing in!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots.
Ok what am I missing here ?
I see no canards, in fact I see no photos at all ?
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots.
>
> What kind of plane is it? My first thought was the F16, but it has front
> canard?
>
>
> dabear
>
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>> It's nice when you don't have a quzonar on the front
>> Pappy.
>>
>> *From:* BernieBear00@aol.com <mailto:BernieBear00@aol.com>
>> *Subject:* Close Encounter
>>
>> Photo shoot from the back of a C130, first pic (no number) has camera
>> man on radio asking "come in a little closer for photo". final pic #5
>> has pilot asking if this is close enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> TOM MASON
>>
>>
>>
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>
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My new and improved LOL has come back. And now I need to sign. The
paragraph that contains the restriction on practice area has been removed,
"N/A". Is this normal? It now sounds as if I have to contact FSDO every
time I want to fly.
Maybe I'm overly cautious when it comes to the feds.
I need advise on this one.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
In a message dated 12/10/2007 11:38:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Agree KP, there are no pictures. I have seen the photos they are talking
about in the past many times. It is of a sequential trail approach of a
Eurofighter as it slides up to the open ramp of a C-130 in flight. Just glad
the loadmaster had a harness on knowing the cubic meters of air that sucker
is drawing in!
Doc
The plane was a Euro fighter. But then why do you think the camera plane was
a C-130? Why would the
frogs use a US aircraft to film there new toy???????
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
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| Subject: | Re: And you think your hot formation pilots. |
Tom,
I do not know. But if memory serves correct, it was the Brits doing the
flying. To my knowledge, the C-130 is the only transport A/C they own that
can lower its rear door.
Doc
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: And you think your hot formation pilots.
In a message dated 12/10/2007 11:38:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Agree KP, there are no pictures. I have seen the photos they are talking
about in the past many times. It is of a sequential trail approach of a
Eurofighter as it slides up to the open ramp of a C-130 in flight. Just glad
the loadmaster had a harness on knowing the cubic meters of air that sucker
is drawing in!
Doc
The plane was a Euro fighter. But then why do you think the camera plane was
a C-130? Why would the
frogs use a US aircraft to film there new toy???????
Tom Elliott
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| Subject: | Re: Copied from M14 List (M14 on e bay) |
A word of caution on the guy selling the M-14. I bid and was the high bidder on
two previous auctions that he had on this same engine. He would not respond
to my emails after the auction ended either time. Now he is apparently saying
that I didn't pay on the first auction (I didn't meet the reserve.) However,
I did attempt to contact him to see how much more he wanted. He would not reply
or return my phone calls. He also claims his second auction got hijacked.
This is not true, at least from my perspective. The auction terminated normally
with me as the high bidder.
He may be legit but I would be very wary about dealing with him.
Ray Stallings
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