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1. 12:08 PM - Insurance info (skidmk)
2. 12:19 PM - Re: Insurance info (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 03:06 PM - Cockpit Pocket? (John Graham)
4. 03:10 PM - Re: B&C alternator for M14 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 03:19 PM - Re: Cockpit Pocket? (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 04:30 PM - Re: Cockpit Pocket? (Mark Davis)
7. 05:01 PM - Re: Cockpit Pocket? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 06:29 PM - Jack Wang's phone # (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 06:54 PM - Re: Cockpit Pocket? (Roger Kemp)
10. 07:02 PM - Cockpit Pocket (Herb Coussons)
11. 07:09 PM - Re: Insurance info (Tim Gagnon)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: Cockpit Pocket? (Mark Davis)
13. 08:31 PM - Re: Gone 14-31st of Jan (DaBear)
14. 09:28 PM - Re: B&C alternator for M14 (Jan Mevis)
15. 09:59 PM - Re: Jack Wang's phone # (xiaobao)
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Hi,, in Canada we cannot get "hull in motion" insurance on our CJ's,, currently
21 or 22 on the registry.
To that end, I'm going to try to work with COPA (our AOPA) to get us some insurance.
Does any one have stats on loss rates for CJ's?,, or... a contact in the insurance
industry that could counsel us on the "industry" buzz words so we can write
an informed presentation.
thanks
Mike
C-FXMI
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157288#157288
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance info |
In a message dated 1/10/2008 3:09:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bourgem@cia.com writes:
Mike,
Cannon Aviation Insurance is a major sponsor for RPA. They have often
answered a lot of questions for me.
They might be familiar with the Canada market up there or at least point you
the right direction.
800-851-2997 is their number in Scottsdale, AZ.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "skidmk" <bourgem@cia.com>
Hi,, in Canada we cannot get "hull in motion" insurance on our CJ's,,
currently 21 or 22 on the registry.
To that end, I'm going to try to work with COPA (our AOPA) to get us some
insurance.
Does any one have stats on loss rates for CJ's?,, or... a contact in the
insurance industry that could counsel us on the "industry" buzz words so we can
write an informed presentation.
thanks
Mike
C-FXMI
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
Thanks,
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
Be a better friend, newshound, and
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| Subject: | B&C alternator for M14 |
Which can be rectified by some shroud line and a little imagination.
Been there, done that.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:52
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
Anyway, with a bad battery, I can't start my Yak 50 at all, since the
air start valve solenoid does not open (and unlike the Yak 52, I can't
touch it from the cockpit).
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: donderdag 10 januari 2008 1:52
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Disregard, Jan, you're right. I took the darn thing apart and checked
it myself. I also checked it using a variable AC input. It is a ...
IMHO.... A less than perfect design. If your battery goes totally
dead, and you prop the engine and get it started, you still will have no
voltage output on this darn thing. Ridiculous.
Jan, what you could do would be to build an additional circuit for this.
I know if it were my airplane, I sure as heck would. Tap off the two
blue wire, go to a double pole single throw switch. Pushbutton would be
ideal. From there run to a full wave bridge rectifier. Run that to a
medium sized cap, not huge mind you, but about 2000 uf. From there run
to a 7824 voltage regulator heatsinked for 5 amps. Connect that plus
output through about a 10 amp diode directly to the output of B&C's
voltage regulator.
If you ever lose total battery, you then pull the over-voltage breaker
thus disconnecting the B&C from the aircraft load. You prop the
aircraft, push in your new button, and that will flash start your B&C
voltage regulator as long as engine RPM is "up there". When you let go,
the really big 22,000 uf cap that they have on the output of the
regulator will act as a mini-battery and keep the thing operating until
you bring it back down to idle. Hopefully, your battery will then also
pick up some kind of charge.
More simple still.. Do the same thing, but instead of the circuit, put
in a small 24 volt nicad. Diode isolate it, and again use the same
"rest of the design and procedure" to get going again.
Lastly, and this is the best idea. TRASH that stupid circuit and build
your own.
Mark
P.s. I respect B&C for their fine products and think the world of them.
However, I personally think that any voltage regulator connected to the
output of an extremely reliable PMG alternator that REQUIRES battery
voltate in order to even operate is less than ideal. And ... Yes, I
think it is actually stupid... Even though that is much less than
polite. Their 35 and 50 amp systems are nothing like this and are much
better.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 17:19
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Hook the red wire to ground through a light bulb and try it again.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 16:24
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
I'm not entirely certain, but the bridge rectifier has two silicon
controlled rectifiers instead of ordinary diodes. These SCR's need a
current on their gate to function. I suppose that this is the reason why
this
PMR1-28 regulator needs a battery voltage on the blac and red wires.
(IMHO
!!!!)
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: woensdag 9 januari 2008 18:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Yak Pilot wrote:
> Brian, Jan is telling me that the B&C Perm Mag system will not output
> from the voltage regulator without a battery present. Can you figure
> that out? It is news to me.
It is possible that it will not work without a battery present but that
would surprise me. Certainly the PM alternator (dynamo) will produce
output without any excitation as the magnet provides the excitation. But
I do not claim to be the final authority. B&C can do a better job of
representing their product than I can. I would just call Bill Bainbridge
at B&C and ask him.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Pocket? |
John,
Remove the front leather side panels and take them to your local upholstery
shop and have them sew a few pockets into the side panels. Have them made
with elastic at the top or better still, with zipper top end or snap flap to
keep everything inside. Some folks have a nice pouch made that is affixed
to one of the metal side panels on the console. This can be snapped in
place as well.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Graham" <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>
> Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
> Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
> installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
> cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
> the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John P. Graham
> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>
>
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Pocket? |
I took a stack of three sectionals to the lady that does upholstery work for
me and had her make a pouch that they would fit in easily. She forgot to
make a velcro strap to go over the top to hold them in tight, but so far
they haven't even tried to come out with a fair amount of negative g. I
attached them to the kick panel with HD velcro. So far so good. She has
yet to make me another for the back cockpit for charts/barf bags.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> John,
> Remove the front leather side panels and take them to your local
> upholstery shop and have them sew a few pockets into the side panels.
> Have them made with elastic at the top or better still, with zipper top
> end or snap flap to keep everything inside. Some folks have a nice pouch
> made that is affixed to one of the metal side panels on the console. This
> can be snapped in place as well.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Graham" <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> To: "Yak list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
>> Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
>> installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
>> cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
>> the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>
>>
>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Gee, and all this time I thought that was why they put zippers on flight
jackets. So that you could partially unzip them and stuff charts,
food, and all that kinda "stuff" down the front. The real purpose of
the seat belt then was of course to keep it from all falling out the
bottom.
Mgb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 19:25
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
I took a stack of three sectionals to the lady that does upholstery work
for me and had her make a pouch that they would fit in easily. She
forgot to make a velcro strap to go over the top to hold them in tight,
but so far they haven't even tried to come out with a fair amount of
negative g. I attached them to the kick panel with HD velcro. So far
so good. She has yet to make me another for the back cockpit for
charts/barf bags.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> John,
> Remove the front leather side panels and take them to your local
> upholstery shop and have them sew a few pockets into the side panels.
> Have them made with elastic at the top or better still, with zipper
top
> end or snap flap to keep everything inside. Some folks have a nice
pouch
> made that is affixed to one of the metal side panels on the console.
This
> can be snapped in place as well.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Graham" <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> To: "Yak list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
>> Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
>> installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
>> cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
>> the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>
>>
>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Jack Wang's phone # |
I need Jack Wang's phone number. Anyone have it or Jack are you watching?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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Front pockets of my helmet bag with the handles carabineer to the bulk head.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
Thanks,
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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See pockets below - works great, sectionals, tools, fuel strainer,
spares, lunch, phone book, etc. Works great inverted even - unless
you forget to zip it !!
Herb
P5010018
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance info |
Check with TOm Johnson....he owns a Yak-50 and owns an insurance co.
airpower insurance.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157372#157372
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Pocket? |
The flight jacket/flight suit pocket plan works great once airborne with
pubs in hand. My problem is getting airborne with the proper pubs in the
proper cockpit! Too many years recently flying around Western Kansas
without any pubs whatsoever and 150 miles from the closest controlled
airspace!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Gee, and all this time I thought that was why they put zippers on flight
> jackets. So that you could partially unzip them and stuff charts,
> food, and all that kinda "stuff" down the front. The real purpose of
> the seat belt then was of course to keep it from all falling out the
> bottom.
>
> Mgb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 19:25
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>
>
> I took a stack of three sectionals to the lady that does upholstery work
> for me and had her make a pouch that they would fit in easily. She
> forgot to make a velcro strap to go over the top to hold them in tight,
> but so far they haven't even tried to come out with a fair amount of
> negative g. I attached them to the kick panel with HD velcro. So far
> so good. She has yet to make me another for the back cockpit for
> charts/barf bags.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>
>
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> John,
>> Remove the front leather side panels and take them to your local
>> upholstery shop and have them sew a few pockets into the side panels.
>> Have them made with elastic at the top or better still, with zipper
> top
>> end or snap flap to keep everything inside. Some folks have a nice
> pouch
>> made that is affixed to one of the metal side panels on the console.
> This
>> can be snapped in place as well.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Graham" <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>> To: "Yak list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Pocket?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any products that they know of or any
>>> Rube Goldberg solutions that they have used for
>>> installing/creating a pocket or pouch for the front
>>> cockpit of a Yak 52. I would like something to keep
>>> the sectional charts and checklists in while flying.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> John P. Graham
>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>
>>>
>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gone 14-31st of Jan |
Doug,
Please call me when you get the chance tomorrow. 540.349.2313
Randy
Doug Sapp wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> My wife gave me a fishing trip to Belize for my 60th birthday!! So
> I'm saying good-bye to 20 degrees and 24 inches of snow and hello to
> 85 degrees, beach, Bone fish, Tarpon, Permit, scuba diving, and cold
> Belikin Beer (not necessarily in that order). I will be out of the
> office Jan 14 through Jan 31st. Kathleen will do her best to fill
> orders while I'm away. If you need something special give me a call
> in the next few days.
> Always Yakin....except when I'm fishin,
> Doug
>
>
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| Subject: | B&C alternator for M14 |
Yes, of course. But there's an advantage too. I had it too in my Yak 50. Bad
battery, no start. I did not notice the status of the battery before because
the voltmeter is broken since I bought the plane. And then I prefer to
change the battery before flying.
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: vrijdag 11 januari 2008 0:11
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Which can be rectified by some shroud line and a little imagination.
Been there, done that.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:52
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
Anyway, with a bad battery, I can't start my Yak 50 at all, since the
air start valve solenoid does not open (and unlike the Yak 52, I can't
touch it from the cockpit).
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: donderdag 10 januari 2008 1:52
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Disregard, Jan, you're right. I took the darn thing apart and checked
it myself. I also checked it using a variable AC input. It is a ...
IMHO.... A less than perfect design. If your battery goes totally
dead, and you prop the engine and get it started, you still will have no
voltage output on this darn thing. Ridiculous.
Jan, what you could do would be to build an additional circuit for this.
I know if it were my airplane, I sure as heck would. Tap off the two
blue wire, go to a double pole single throw switch. Pushbutton would be
ideal. From there run to a full wave bridge rectifier. Run that to a
medium sized cap, not huge mind you, but about 2000 uf. From there run
to a 7824 voltage regulator heatsinked for 5 amps. Connect that plus
output through about a 10 amp diode directly to the output of B&C's
voltage regulator.
If you ever lose total battery, you then pull the over-voltage breaker
thus disconnecting the B&C from the aircraft load. You prop the
aircraft, push in your new button, and that will flash start your B&C
voltage regulator as long as engine RPM is "up there". When you let go,
the really big 22,000 uf cap that they have on the output of the
regulator will act as a mini-battery and keep the thing operating until
you bring it back down to idle. Hopefully, your battery will then also
pick up some kind of charge.
More simple still.. Do the same thing, but instead of the circuit, put
in a small 24 volt nicad. Diode isolate it, and again use the same
"rest of the design and procedure" to get going again.
Lastly, and this is the best idea. TRASH that stupid circuit and build
your own.
Mark
P.s. I respect B&C for their fine products and think the world of them.
However, I personally think that any voltage regulator connected to the
output of an extremely reliable PMG alternator that REQUIRES battery
voltate in order to even operate is less than ideal. And ... Yes, I
think it is actually stupid... Even though that is much less than
polite. Their 35 and 50 amp systems are nothing like this and are much
better.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 17:19
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Hook the red wire to ground through a light bulb and try it again.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 16:24
Subject: RE: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
I'm not entirely certain, but the bridge rectifier has two silicon
controlled rectifiers instead of ordinary diodes. These SCR's need a
current on their gate to function. I suppose that this is the reason why
this
PMR1-28 regulator needs a battery voltage on the blac and red wires.
(IMHO
!!!!)
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: woensdag 9 januari 2008 18:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator for M14
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Yak Pilot wrote:
> Brian, Jan is telling me that the B&C Perm Mag system will not output
> from the voltage regulator without a battery present. Can you figure
> that out? It is news to me.
It is possible that it will not work without a battery present but that
would surprise me. Certainly the PM alternator (dynamo) will produce
output without any excitation as the magnet provides the excitation. But
I do not claim to be the final authority. B&C can do a better job of
representing their product than I can. I would just call Bill Bainbridge
at B&C and ask him.
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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