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1. 04:12 AM - Shipping from Europe to USA (GreasySideUp)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Tim Gagnon)
3. 07:05 AM - Re: Nanchang aileron balancing (Joe Howse)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (viperdoc)
5. 08:44 AM - ARS VII dates official! (Barry Hancock)
6. 11:21 AM - Re: Nanchang aileron balancing (Walter Lannon)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: Nanchang aileron balancing (Walter Lannon)
8. 11:43 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Tim Gagnon)
9. 06:33 PM - Yak / M-14P parts (Dee Conger)
10. 07:26 PM - Re: CJ6A on the selling block (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
11. 11:38 PM - oil for shock absorbers in landing gear (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | Shipping from Europe to USA |
I know a few of you have bought Yaks from overseas. A couple of questions.
How much does the disassembly shipping and reassembly cost for a Yak shipped over
from Germany or Russia? Also what time frame can I reasonably expect and what
have any of you done as far as escrow or payment for buying something like
this sight unseen from a foreign country? Any shipping companies to recommend
or to stay away from?
Thanks,
-j
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| Subject: | Re: Shipping from Europe to USA |
There is only one person I can think of that I would trust to pull something like
this off....and that is Dennis. He as done plenty of these...he can tell some
of the joys involved as well!
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang aileron balancing |
I have not worked on a TBm, I was referring to the
fabric attachment wire clip system on the Mallard.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Shipping from Europe to USA |
Dennis and Steve Beaver. Steve started it and Dennis has carried the torch
for the 52's in Central Alabama. There are others out there to that have
done this. Doug Sapp, Cliff Coy, Bill Walker, Steve Culp, Barry Hancock to
name a few. I'm sure I have left a few out like Dave Hilker and Jj Johnson.
>From the time it is in the container on the truck headed to the port until
the truck pulls up in front of your hanger for YOU to unload your prize,
expect about a month. Assuming there are no issues at the port of entry.
Are you buying this 50 from an individual or are you getting it from a
company like Termikus, YAKUK, ANABARAS, or Nerka to name a few? If so they
already have the expertise in disassembly, loading it in the container for
safe transport, and arranging the clearance of customs and loading the
container on the boat for the pond crossing for delivery to your chosen port
of entry. Dennis Savarese and the others above can give you all the
particulars along with contact names if you are trying to do this on your
own. The price of shipping mine was included in the purchase price as were
the hassles of dealing with the shippers and customs.
Dennis is @ 334-285-3242 Office and Cell (other office) 334-546-8121.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
There is only one person I can think of that I would trust to pull something
like this off....and that is Dennis. He as done plenty of these...he can
tell some of the joys involved as well!
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| Subject: | ARS VII dates official! |
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This year we are excited to have Vietnam vet, Skunkworks Test Pilot
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Wether you burn 100LL or kerosene, this is the place to be!
Thanks again to our sponsors that help keep our registration fees
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if you register now we will notify you when you can complete your
registration with payment soon.... We look forward to having you at
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The ARS Staff
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang aileron balancing |
Hi Joe;
The CJ6 aileron has no provision for a tip balance weight installation. The only
possible location is within the L/E.
I recovered a set of controls for the CG5 (Yak 18) a few years back and, if my
memory is correct, those ailerons were balanced. That is quite possibly true of
all the Yak models. For certain if the ailerons are cable operated.
The CJ6 is the only aircraft I have ever been involved with that uses unbalanced
ailerons. No need to strip the fabric to determine that. Just pick it up.
Cheers;
Walt
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From: Joe Howse
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang aileron balancing
Grumman ribs are similar to the CJ however they used a continuos wire clip for
attachment.
The Stits manual says to use the original system if possible.
I have recovered several sets of CJ ailerons and found that some had
a counterweight in the leading edge as well as the standard tip CW,
I assumed that as long as they were matched, ie. left and right,
that either method was acceptable.
But like Walt points out, not so critical with the push rod system.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang aileron balancing |
Jim;
To the best of my knowledge control surfaces are balanced to provide a damping
effect which will eliminate or reduce the destructive effect of control surface
flutter.
I believe the design operating speeds have a great deal to do with the criticality
of balance. The Harvard allows a surprising amount of under balance (T/E heavy)
for the elevator and rudder (in the area of 2 to 3 lbs.)
Ailerons are far more critical. For example the maximum under balance for the Harvard
aileron is 13 oz. Actually a much larger difference than indicated since
the measuring arm is less than half that of the elevator.
Check out the web for the TBM manuals. A company called ESSCO lists the TBM Structural
Repair for $51.00.
Cheers;
Walt
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang aileron balancing
In a message dated 1/12/2008 3:52:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wlannon@persona.ca
writes:
This might be a good time to start a discussion about WHY flight controls are
balanced. Those real certified engineers amongst us (I am not one) could (please
in layman's terms) explain why it is done.
My education on the subject is from EAA manuals, shop experience, and hangar
shop talk. I do not pretend to be an expert cause I don't have the paper on the
wall.
I was to understand that balancing the control were for 2 basic reason. 1. For
control system function, in that the pilot would not have to input constant
control correction for a system that was out of balance. 2. Help to eliminate
the possibility of control flutter (although I understand that shape had a lot
to do with that).
The latter making sense to me when it came to the rudder which is mounted vertically
and would appear to less likely be effected by an out of balance condition.
In all my readings of aircraft repair, I've never seen where it said that a certain
out of balance condition (trailing edge heavy or light) would be needed.
But I have not read every manual either.
BTW I am trying find a TBM manual at this time. The flight control fabric is
rib stitched, but because of the way the rib are made, you can not use the standard
FAA approved rib stitch. Grumman had did something different.
Also the procedure you outline is the one I've used and understood as a "standard"
way of balancing.
Awaiting to be elucidated.
Jim"Pappy" Goolsby
Hal;
My apology!
I sent a diatribe on control surface balancing that may be of use for CJ elevators
and rudder and all surfaces on most other aircraft but has no applicability
to the CJ6 aileron.
The reason is that the CJ6 aileron is not an individually balanced surface.
It is part of a balanced system! Installed on the aircraft each aileron is effectively
balanced by the opposing aileron through a rigid push-pull rod control
system. Obviously that would not be possible with a cable system.
While this sounds logical and good it does not comply with Western aircraft
certification standards (at least the old ones I am familiar with), whether rod
or cable operated. What happens if you forget one cotter pin and this excellent
push-pull system is suddenly disconnected?
For your situation I would suggest you do not change the weight or configuration
of one aileron over the other.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Hal
To: Yak List
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:11 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang aileron balancing
We are in the process of remounting the ailerons onto 88 (the project).
We want to make sure we get the balance right as we have installed a trim motor
on one side. Does anyone on the list have information on the factory settings
or know where we might get this information? For those of you who have balanced
the ailerons we would appreciate hearing what and how you did it.
Thanks for the help.
Hal Morley
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| Subject: | Re: Shipping from Europe to USA |
If we are including CJ's..then yeah...Doug Sapp.
Dennis and Doug do this on a regular basis so they would get my nod without hesitation.
Barry does jets..and nice ones. Steve Culp, he is more parts now and
I am not sure he would even tackle a no kidding airplane.
Josh,
You really need to find an airplane here in the states. I would recommend finding
everyone on the FAA data base who owns a -50 and ask them if they might be
interested in selling. You may find one guy/gal who was thinking about it but
had not pulled the trigger. You may help him the rest of the way.
Before you deal with anyone, get some reviews...someone on here has dealt with
at least one of the folks on that list and can pass along some info. It is a VERY
small community and someone will have an opinion.
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| Subject: | Yak / M-14P parts |
Still have the following items available:
Airflow Performance Fuel Injection - complete system $3,000
M-14P Titanium exhaust system - almost new - $2,000
ADC flat-type oil filter - $450
Oil Tank for M-14P conversion such as Murphy Moose, etc - non-inverted
pickup - very nice quality and included oil separator - $500
Dee
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A on the selling block |
To anyone interested in this CJ:
I have about 20 hours of flight time in this aircraft (just flew it this past week
for a missing man formation flight). It is a good solid, strong running CJ.
I will be flying it up to Waycross later this month. If you know anyone who
is interested in a CJ, they should take a look at this airplane.
I would buy it, but I have a CJ in the final stages of restoration. Steve was
kind enough to allow me to fly his plane while mine is in restoration.
Any questions, contact me off-list or come to Waycross to see this plane in person.
Regards,
Craig Winkelmann
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| Subject: | oil for shock absorbers in landing gear |
Hi all,
What is the best oil to use in the shock absorbers of the gear on a Yak 50
? This probably has been mentioned before on this list, but I can't find it
anymore.
Jan
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