---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/17/08: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:34 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Cliff Coy) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Brian Lloyd) 4. 07:04 AM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Cliff Coy) 5. 08:22 AM - Recovered WWII plane (John Graham) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Air Bottle fitting leak (Mozam) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: CHT Monitoring (Barry Hancock) 8. 10:14 AM - Converting Russian hose to U.S. (Kregg Victory) 9. 01:38 PM - Re: GT50 Flight Data System in my Yak52 (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 10. 02:01 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 11. 02:04 PM - Re: CHT Monitoring (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 12. 02:09 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 13. 02:43 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (cjpilot710@aol.com) 14. 03:14 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 15. 03:15 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Mark Davis) 16. 03:21 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Dave Laird) 17. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: CHT Monitoring (DaBear) 18. 04:18 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Brian Lloyd) 19. 04:45 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Brian Lloyd) 20. 04:47 PM - 42J Keystone Heights (cjpilot710@AOL.COM) 21. 04:52 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Roger Baker) 22. 06:52 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Brian Lloyd) 23. 06:57 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Brian Lloyd) 24. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: CJ6A on the selling block (Stephen J. Byers) 25. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: CJ6A on the selling block (david@mcgirt.net) 26. 11:43 PM - Re: Shipping from Europe to USA (Yak Pilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:02 AM PST US From: Cliff Coy Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA You know....you can just take a SAT phone..... Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, > MALS-14 64E wrote: > >> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> >> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. >> >> Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt >> loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the >> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. > > Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the > wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded > dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It > would be easy to set that up. > >> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces >> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it than >> anyone else around these days. > > The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then > line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside > that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My > Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in > and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice > thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was > no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing > checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" > from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > -- Clifford Coy Director of Maintenance Border Air Ltd 629 Airport Rd. Swanton, VT 05488 802-868-2822 TEL 802-868-4465 FAX Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:47 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On the subject of importing foreign aircraft...with these military trainer types, do you have a lot of red tape to go through to import them? I did a little research once on importing an F-86 into the states, and it was way more red tape than I was willing to be involved in...Sounds like it's not so bad with the YAKS? Still best to go through a broker I guess and let them do what they do! Boyce **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:24 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Cliff Coy wrote: > > You know....you can just take a SAT phone..... Naw, that would be too easy. :-) -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:30 AM PST US From: Cliff Coy Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA I'd have to say the difference is mostly engine type and armament packages. The FAA has a little more heartburn over the capabilities of an F-86 than a Yak-52. The Yak 52's were never really used as combat aircraft- the straight 52's don't have provisions to hang anything on the wings (not so for the 52TW tho'). Cheers, Cliff RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote: > On the subject of importing foreign aircraft...with these military > trainer types, do you have a lot of red tape to go through to import > them? I did a little research once on importing an F-86 into the > states, and it was way more red tape than I was willing to be involved > in...Sounds like it's not so bad with the YAKS? Still best to go > through a broker I guess and let them do what they do! > Boyce > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > * > > > * -- Clifford Coy Director of Maintenance Border Air Ltd 629 Airport Rd. Swanton, VT 05488 802-868-2822 TEL 802-868-4465 FAX Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:11 AM PST US From: John Graham Subject: Yak-List: Recovered WWII plane This amazing Bell P39 was located at the bottom of Lake Mart-Yavr within the Russian Arctic Circle in the summer of 2004. As with other recoveries over the years, it was discovered by a fisherman who saw the silt covered outline through the crystal clear water. Full story here: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/index.htm Thanks, John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:11 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Bottle fitting leak From: "Mozam" Thanks Dennis. See ya at Waycross? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158797#158797 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:47 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: Re: CHT Monitoring > Time: 10:22:39 AM PST US > From: John Graham > Subject: Yak-List: CHT Monitoring > > > Seeing that my CHT gauge in the Yak-52 only shows > temps off of one cylinder (#4 I believe), does anyone > have an opinion on gauges that measure CHT/EGT off of > all 9 cylinders, like JPI's EDM‑700‑9C? > Any feedback is greatly appreciated. We are currently installing the Blue Mountain Engine Pod in two CJ's. We are hoping to do first engine runs on the first one in the next 30 days or so. The Big Advantage, in my opinion, is for nearly the same price as dedicated engine monitors (and in many cases much less) you get not only all the engine monitor info you could ever use, but also a full EFIS that will fit into a 3 1/8" hole if you use the Lite. We are installing the Sport, which is, in my opinion, optimal for the CJ/Yak panel. As soon as we have the panels installed in the aircraft (we're doing a complete rewire of the first CJ) in their final configuration, I'll post some pics. We have been working closely with BMA and also Cliff Coy at GESOCO has been very helpful in sharing info to pull this together correctly. I love it when the community bands together for the greater good....in true commie warbird fashion! ;) Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (714) 730-3958 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com www.cj6.com The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipients. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, forwarding or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message and all attachments from your system. Thank you ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:08 AM PST US From: "Kregg Victory" Subject: Yak-List: Converting Russian hose to U.S. Recently I added fuel flow to a Yak 50 and a 52. Converting or upgrading the Russian hose to a US hose, 306 aeroquip or 111 stratoflex from the banjo fitting can be a pain. So, I had a machine shop make some fittings to adapt the banjo fitting to a -8 hose fitting that simply remove the hose and screw on the adapter to make the change to a -8 hose. Check this out Kregg Victory ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:04 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: GT50 Flight Data System in my Yak52 From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Jack: There is an excellent article on batteries in the Dec 2007 issue of the EAA magazine Sport Aviation. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158859#158859 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:57 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint. Will the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights? In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple. We have embedded gold flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out. Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea. Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF. Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna. And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would take to actually do that. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Coy Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:31 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA You know....you can just take a SAT phone..... Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, > MALS-14 64E wrote: > >> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> >> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. >> >> Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt >> loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the >> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. > > Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the > wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded > dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It > would be easy to set that up. > >> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces >> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it than >> anyone else around these days. > > The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then > line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside > that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My > Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in > and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice > thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was > no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing > checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" > from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > - Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A > 1B6C > > -- Clifford Coy Director of Maintenance Border Air Ltd 629 Airport Rd. Swanton, VT 05488 802-868-2822 TEL 802-868-4465 FAX Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:59 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CHT Monitoring From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Take a look at the EI web page www.buy-ei.com and download the Pilots Manual for Leaning and Engine Diagnostics. Read it and decide for yourself if you want 9 cyl EGT and CHT. Doc is correct about the M-14 in that you can't lean it. However, there are a host of other engine problems you can diagnose with CHT and EGT info. Barry is installing the BMA (www.bluemountainavionics.com) Sport in my CJ. In this project, I decided to do the engine pod and monitor EGT and CHT for all 9 cylinders. I addition, I get GPS linked in with fuel flow data, oil temps in and out, and a few other minor data points. We still have some work to do, but we are optimistic that the plane will be ready for and at Sun and Fun for those who would like to see the installation. If you look at the cost of the JPI or EI monitor, Dynon, and a GPS, the BMA Sport solution comes in at a competitive (but higher) acquisition cost (installation will probably be more for the Sport too). However, the BMA solution is integrated, provides more function and is way better looking! Once Barry is done with my plane, he and his crew will have the expertise to make the conversion for others. I'm sure Barry will happy to discuss this off list with anyone who is interested. I also think Barry will be posting pics of this installation (once we are done) on his company web site. Fly smart. Fly safe! Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158867#158867 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! 6146 finals no less. Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes would you mount that in a 52? Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite. I still own an S line myself that I restored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C receiver... With station console. If it does not glow in the dark, what good is it? :-) Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 0:06 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. > > Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt > loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the > tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It would be easy to set that up. > Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces > makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it > than anyone else around these days. The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:20 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: Just returned from ground school/recurrent training on the B17/B25/B24. The B-24 is getting major work done on her fuel tanks. While waiting for that, one of our volunteer pilots, is refurbishing and restoring the original radios in the radio compartment. This includes the Morris code key, throat mikes, etc. Plus by May he will attempted to have a working Norton bomb sight. I've been told that if you hold a neon tube next to the antennae while transmitting, it will light the tube, with out a power cord. Also as PIC I will be required to get a Ham radio license because of the frequencies IF I need to use the radios!!! Not only that they're getting the belly turret fully functional (yes minus guns) and the top turret can now be moved manually. The old plastic glass turret was not perfectly round and would bind. While up there one day doing the refueling, I slipped while stepping over the turret and broke it when I fell on it. The new one ($5,500) is perfect. Who said I couldn't be an agent of change? Newest pilot comfort? Fuel gages, new glass over head and a new electric standby horizon. Pappy. -.. --- --- .-.. ... -.-. Y (I think) --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! 6146 finals no less. Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes would you mount that in a 52? Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite. I still own an S line myself that I restored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C receiver... With station console. If it does not glow in the dark, what good is it? :-) Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 0:06 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. > > Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt > loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the > tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It would be easy to set that up. > Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces > makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it > than anyone else around these days. The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" You're lucky Pappy, code is no longer required for an amateur ticket. You spelled "d o o l s c" Not too bad. I think you were trying to spell your last name: --. --- --- .-.. ... -... -.-- My first HF radio was a WW-II ARC-2B. AND I STILL HAVE IT (although sadly my ex-wire poured salt all over it and pretty much ruined it). I am not sure what bomber carried it, but it was definitely a bomber HF rig. If memory serves, about 2-7 Mhz. Did AM, CW, and MCW. MCW is no longer legal on the HF ham bands, but AM and CW sure are. I think you could create quite a stir getting on the ham bands in a B-24, especially while flying, but even on the deck would be special! Hey, I did... When I called CQ from an EA-6B flying over IRAQ in Desert Storm, it caused quite a pile-up. Of course 10 meters was wide open, and the sunspot cycle was at it's peak. Rog on the neon tubes. We used to actually hang them from wire antenna during Vietnam. Caused quite a light show at night! Also a good indicator of power out. Surprised that the radio in the 24 would do that... My best recollection is that the finals in those radios were 24 volt 811's, ... 1622's? Man, I can not remember, but basically a pair of 811's with a 24 volt filiment. Typically about 25 watts carrier on HF (100 watts PEP). That's all you really need. Anyway, consider yourself lucky.... Back in the day (sheesh I am getting up there with Pappy), you had to copy one minutes worth of 5 letter code groups without making an error. They sent for 5 minutes, and you had to get one full minute of that copy with NO ERRORS! By the time I went for my extra class (20 words per minute), they had changed it to just multiple choice questions, and it was actual text instead of code groups... Much easier. Now... No code at all. I still think that was a big mistake. The more you work for something, the more you value that.... Somehow that message got lost in today's world. Good Luck Pappy, let us know what callsign you get! Mark Bitterlich WA3JPY -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 17:39 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: Just returned from ground school/recurrent training on the B17/B25/B24. The B-24 is getting major work done on her fuel tanks. While waiting for that, one of our volunteer pilots, is refurbishing and restoring the original radios in the radio compartment. This includes the Morris code key, throat mikes, etc. Plus by May he will attempted to have a working Norton bomb sight. I've been told that if you hold a neon tube next to the antennae while transmitting, it will light the tube, with out a power cord. Also as PIC I will be required to get a Ham radio license because of the frequencies IF I need to use the radios!!! Not only that they're getting the belly turret fully functional (yes minus guns) and the top turret can now be moved manually. The old plastic glass turret was not perfectly round and would bind. While up there one day doing the refueling, I slipped while stepping over the turret and broke it when I fell on it. The new one ($5,500) is perfect. Who said I couldn't be an agent of change? Newest pilot comfort? Fuel gages, new glass over head and a new electric standby horizon. Pappy. -.. --- --- .-.. ... -.-. Y (I think) Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! 6146 finals no less. Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes would you mount that in a 52? Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite. I still own an S line myself that I restored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C receiver... With station console. If it does not glow in the dark, what good is it? :-) Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 0:06 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: Cherry > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. > > Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt > loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the > tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It would be easy to set that up. > Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces > makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it > than anyone else around these days. The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my ________________________________ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:43 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA I'm not sure about the effectiveness of the gold canopies on the Prowlers. When I was in the RAG, the story was that an instructor had taken a home microwave radiation detector up when the pods were radiating and it pegged the meter. Whenever I had ECMO's that insisted on "burning out" the pods because it was good for them I explained that since we weren't at war it wasn't really necessary. I didn't mind if we were actually using them. If the Master Rad light didn't go out soon, I slowed down below 220 KIAS so the RATs kick at least one transmitter off line. If I was light enough I'd take it down under 192 KIAS so both kicked off line. Pissed 'em off. But my nuts didn't glow in the dark! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA > MALS-14 64E" > > Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint. Will the FAA > buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights? > > In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple. We have embedded gold flake in > the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out. Givent the ERP of > the jammers, that is not really a bad idea. Regardless, it is pretty darn > effective once you get up past UHF. Sure... Just install some coax and an > external antenna. > > And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would take > to actually do that. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Coy > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:31 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA > > > You know....you can just take a SAT phone..... > > Brian Lloyd wrote: >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, >> MALS-14 64E wrote: >> >>> Point, MALS-14 64E" >>> >>> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. >>> >>> Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt >>> loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the >>> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. >> >> Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the >> wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded >> dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It >> would be easy to set that up. >> >>> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces >>> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it than >>> anyone else around these days. >> >> The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then >> line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside >> that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My >> Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in >> and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice >> thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was >> no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing >> checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" >> from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) >> >> -- >> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive >> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 >> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) >> >> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . >> - Antoine de Saint-Exupry >> >> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C >> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A >> 1B6C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Clifford Coy > Director of Maintenance > Border Air Ltd > 629 Airport Rd. > Swanton, VT 05488 > 802-868-2822 TEL > 802-868-4465 FAX > Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy > > > -- > 11:12 AM > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:26 PM PST US From: Dave Laird Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA Mark and Brian, I'm starting to think that you two need to spend some quality time together - off list... in person - like maybe dinner, drinks and a movie. 'Cuz your big-brain-mutual-admiration-society-of-two is starting to sound more and more like a budding romance to me these days... ;) Uh, not that there is anything wrong with that... in some states... I jest because i love, Dave Laird N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty" Dallas (ADS) On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and > the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! > 6146 finals no less. > > Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes > would you mount that in a 52? > > Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite. I still own an > S line myself that I restored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" > model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C > receiver... With station console. If it does not glow in the dark, > what good is it? :-) > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 0:06 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA > > > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, > MALS-14 64E wrote: > >> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> >> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian. >> >> Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt >> loading the whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the >> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well. > > Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the > wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded > dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It > would be easy to set that up. > >> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces >> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it >> than anyone else around these days. > > The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then > line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside > that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My > Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in > and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice > thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was > no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing > checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" > from copilots when they read the checklist to me. :-) > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty > things . . . > - Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A > 1B6C > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:57 PM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CHT Monitoring So, I'd love to see how it turns out. I agree the BM is better looking, has terrain and gps built in. I was leaning that way due to the autopilot option ($3500). To have a repeater screen in the back for the BM is only 3k more. (only?) But the repeater screen only shows what is on the front screen, no real intelligence there. However, for the same cost as the sport and engine pod (8k not with the added BM repeater), I can get 2 Dynon D-100s and a D-120. That gives me 2 in the front cockpit and 1 in the back. They don't have GPS, but they do interface to the Garmin 3/496. Also with the new dynon HS34, the 3 EFIS units are easy to connect together and to multiple other items such as 496,SL30,GTX330, etc. Each of the Garmin EFIS units can display any of the data, HSI, ADI, Eng data, etc. With the connection to a 3/496 you get fuel data as well. Also, Dynon is getting ready for beta testing of their autopilot, so they'll have one by the summer or fall. I like the BM screen system and the built in GPS/terrain. But then again updates are costly. As is the cost of the unit(s). The Dynon is a good unit, needs a switch to cover the other cyls for CHT/EGT but is inexpensive comparatively. I'm adding a GTX330 and a SL30 during my annual this winter. But I'm still on the sidelines regarding EFIS. Dabear Craig Winkelmann, CFI wrote: > > Take a look at the EI web page www.buy-ei.com and download the Pilots Manual for Leaning and Engine Diagnostics. Read it and decide for yourself if you want 9 cyl EGT and CHT. Doc is correct about the M-14 in that you can't lean it. However, there are a host of other engine problems you can diagnose with CHT and EGT info. > > Barry is installing the BMA (www.bluemountainavionics.com) Sport in my CJ. In this project, I decided to do the engine pod and monitor EGT and CHT for all 9 cylinders. I addition, I get GPS linked in with fuel flow data, oil temps in and out, and a few other minor data points. We still have some work to do, but we are optimistic that the plane will be ready for and at Sun and Fun for those who would like to see the installation. > > If you look at the cost of the JPI or EI monitor, Dynon, and a GPS, the BMA Sport solution comes in at a competitive (but higher) acquisition cost (installation will probably be more for the Sport too). However, the BMA solution is integrated, provides more function and is way better looking! > > Once Barry is done with my plane, he and his crew will have the expertise to make the conversion for others. I'm sure Barry will happy to discuss this off list with anyone who is interested. I also think Barry will be posting pics of this installation (once we are done) on his company web site. > > Fly smart. Fly safe! > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158867#158867 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:48 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint. Will > the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights? Turns out it doesn't matter what the FAA says. It only matters to the country of departure and then, most don't even pay attention. The Canadians did insist that I drop by for an inspection of the airplane and me. The modified KWM2 (I changed the crystals and then retuned it for the aviation HF bands) and trailing wire was deemed satisfactory even tho' it didn't even remotely qualify as FCC-approved. (The FCC has jurisdiction over radios, not the FAA.) They only cared if it would work to communicate. In fact, the inspector said, "wow, I haven't seen one of those in an aircraft for a long time. They work great, don't they," as he handed me the paper that told the boys in Gander to let me take off eastbound. No one in any other country even looked. > In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple. We have embedded gold > flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out. > Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea. > Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF. > Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna. > > And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would > take to actually do that. Radio is fun. Almost as much fun as airplanes and computers. Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:00 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and > the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! 30A on voice peaks. I had the supply for the KWM2 wired directly to the battery with its own contactor. I could still run the HF off the battery in order to make a mayday call even if the rest of the electrical system failed. Oh, and I had a backup battery for the rest of the avionics. It was sized to run my LORAN and one comm radio for the rest of the flight in case I lost my alternator. I figured I could make position reports through the airliners. > 6146 finals no less. Everything had 6146 finals and a 12BY7 driver. > Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes > would you mount that in a 52? Well, in the Comanche it was mounted right on top of the ferry tank. There was just enough room for it between the tank and the ceiling. The life raft was right next to it. And I would not use a KWM2 (I stupidly sold it years ago) in the -52. I would use my Icom IC-706mkII with my SGC-231 tuner. I have hacked the Icom for general coverage transmit so I can use it in the airplane. It will even transmit AM on the VHF aircraft band so I can use it as a backup comm too. > Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite. I still own an S > line myself that I restored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model > that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C > receiver... With station console. If it does not glow in the dark, > what good is it? :-) I have always wanted a 32S3B/C and a 75S3C. I just haven't been able to bring myself to pay the freight they bring these days. I had the KWM2 and a 75S1/32S1 combo once. I am sorry I sold them too. OTOH, there are some new designs that work very well. I have been playing around with software-defined radios. Pretty cool stuff. Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:40 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@AOL.COM Subject: Yak-List: 42J Keystone Heights North Florida RedStars On Feb 22-25 there will be a gathering of WarBirds at Keystone Heights (42J) (about half way between JAX & GNV). The B24/17/25 will be there from the Collings Foundation. The organizer asked that us "Yak guys" come. It will be on your dime though as this is a real low budget event to help a local aviation museum get started. Pappy **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:14 PM PST US From: Roger Baker Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry > Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > >> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> >> Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint. Will >> the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights? > > Turns out it doesn't matter what the FAA says. It only matters to > the country of departure and then, most don't even pay attention. > The Canadians did insist that I drop by for an inspection of the > airplane and me. The modified KWM2 (I changed the crystals and then > retuned it for the aviation HF bands) and trailing wire was deemed > satisfactory even tho' it didn't even remotely qualify as FCC- > approved. (The FCC has jurisdiction over radios, not the FAA.) They > only cared if it would work to communicate. In fact, the inspector > said, "wow, I haven't seen one of those in an aircraft for a long > time. They work great, don't they," as he handed me the paper that > told the boys in Gander to let me take off eastbound. No one in any > other country even looked. > >> In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple. We have embedded gold >> flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out. >> Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea. >> Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF. >> Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna. >> >> And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it >> would take to actually do that. > > Radio is fun. Almost as much fun as airplanes and computers ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ > But it bores the crap out of a lot of us! Best regards anyway, Roger___________________________________________________________________ ____________ > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brianl AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A > 1B6C > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:23 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:39 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil > writes: > > Just returned from ground school/recurrent training on the B17/B25/ > B24. The B-24 is getting major work done on her fuel tanks. While > waiting for that, one of our volunteer pilots, is refurbishing and > restoring the original radios in the radio compartment. This > includes the Morris code key, throat mikes, etc. Plus by May he > will attempted to have a working Norton bomb sight. I've been told > that if you hold a neon tube next to the antennae while > transmitting, it will light the tube, with out a power cord. That is correct. I have often used that as a quick test for output. > Also as PIC I will be required to get a Ham radio license because of > the frequencies IF I need to use the radios!!! Not necessarily. If you are using it in an aircraft on the aviation frequencies your restricted radiotelephone license is sufficient. OTOH, if you use it in the ham bands you will need a ham license. You will need at least a general-class license. The requirement for morse code has been removed. > Not only that they're getting the belly turret fully functional (yes > minus guns) and the top turret can now be moved manually. The old > plastic glass turret was not perfectly round and would bind. While > up there one day doing the refueling, I slipped while stepping over > the turret and broke it when I fell on it. The new one ($5,500) is > perfect. Who said I couldn't be an agent of change? > > Newest pilot comfort? Fuel gages, new glass over head and a new > electric standby horizon. > > Pappy. -.. --- --- .-.. ... -.-. Y (I think) Well, in code that was DOOLSCY. I think you wanted to send GOOLSBY which would have been: --. --- --- .-.. ... -... -.-- If you want to learn morse code there is an *EXCELLENT* system called "Code Quick". It is what I am using to teach the code to the kids at school. All the 5th-8th graders are studying for their ham radio licenses and even tho' they aren't required to know the code, I am teaching it to them anyway as their technician-class licenses will only allow them code privileges on 80M, 40M, and 15M. Code Quick web site: http://www.cq2k.com/ -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:02 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA On Jan 17, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Dave Laird wrote: > > Mark and Brian, > > I'm starting to think that you two need to spend some quality time > together - off list... in person - like maybe dinner, drinks and a > movie. Naw, we'd get together and he'd show me his (rig) and I'd show him mine. Sounds like he has some stuff I'd like to have -- including the -50. > 'Cuz your big-brain-mutual-admiration-society-of-two is starting to > sound more and more like a budding romance to me these days... ;) Aw, shucks. > Uh, not that there is anything wrong with that... in some states... Hey, I live in California. If you ain't gay you ain't ... uh, electable. > I jest because i love, Ah, but *whom* do you love? That is the question. ;-) > > > Dave Laird > N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty" > Dallas (ADS) > -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:41 PM PST US From: "Stephen J. Byers" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ6A on the selling block Thanks Craig, Here is the link again for those who might be interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130187714504 There is some one interested in Canada but they are trying to figure out the export import process to get the plane registered there. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann, CFI Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ6A on the selling block To anyone interested in this CJ: I have about 20 hours of flight time in this aircraft (just flew it this past week for a missing man formation flight). It is a good solid, strong running CJ. I will be flying it up to Waycross later this month. If you know anyone who is interested in a CJ, they should take a look at this airplane. I would buy it, but I have a CJ in the final stages of restoration. Steve was kind enough to allow me to fly his plane while mine is in restoration. Any questions, contact me off-list or come to Waycross to see this plane in person. Regards, Craig Winkelmann Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157910#157910 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ6A on the selling block From: david@mcgirt.net I know of two people going to waycross that are looking to get a plane, see you there.. Looks like well over 50 planes confirmed for the event, should be a great time David -----Original Message----- From: "Stephen J. Byers" To: Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: CJ6A on the selling block Thanks Craig, Here is the link again for those who might be interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130187714504 There is some one interested in Canada but they are trying to figure out the export import process to get the plane registered there. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann, CFI Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ6A on the selling block To anyone interested in this CJ: I have about 20 hours of flight time in this aircraft (just flew it this past week for a missing man formation flight). It is a good solid, strong running CJ. I will be flying it up to Waycross later this month. If you know anyone who is interested in a CJ, they should take a look at this airplane. I would buy it, but I have a CJ in the final stages of restoration. Steve was kind enough to allow me to fly his plane while mine is in restoration. Any questions, contact me off-list or come to Waycross to see this plane in person. Regards, Craig Winkelmann Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157910#157910 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:33 PM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to USA We have the same interests and the same hobbies. Even in his current activ ity of working with kids, we do more or less the same thing. His "kids" a re a lot younger than mine, but what the heck! :_0=0A=0AAs for the other i nsinuation.... I heard the same thing about you, but when you told me you t ried it and did not enjoy it at all, I decided to never mention it again. Am I a nice guy or what? =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mes sage ----=0AFrom: Dave Laird =0ATo: yak-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:19:09 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: =0A=0AMark and Brian,=0A=0AI'm starting to think that you two need to spend some quality time =0Atogether - off list... in pers on - like maybe dinner, drinks and a =0Amovie.=0A=0A'Cuz your big-brain-mu tual-admiration-society-of-two is starting to =0Asound more and more like a budding romance to me these days... ;)=0A=0AUh, not that there is anythi ng wrong with that... in some states...=0A=0A=0AI jest because i love,=0A =0ADave Laird=0AN63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"=0ADallas (ADS)=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 1 7, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, =0AMALS-14 6 t Cherry =0A> Point, MALS-14 64E" =0A>=0A> I won der how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and =0A> the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting! =0A> 6146 finals no less.=0A>=0A> Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it? Where in the name of blazes =0A> would you mount that in a 52?=0A>=0A> Lastly.... Collins g ear is still my very favorite. I still own an =0A> S line myself that I r estored decades ago. A 32S3C (yep, a "C" =0A> model that was actually mad e by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C =0A> receiver... With station cons ole. If it does not glow in the dark, =0A> what good is it? :-)=0A>=0A> Mark Bitterlich=0A>=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-yak- list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list- =0A> server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd=0A> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 0:06=0A> To : yak-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shipping from Europe to com>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Ch "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry=0A>> Point, MALS-14 64E" =0A>>=0A>> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian.=0A>>=0A>> Ju st for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt=0A>> loading t he whole aircraft itself. This is often done on the=0A>> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well.=0A>=0A> Huh. Neat idea. Yea h, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the=0A> wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded=0A> dipole. I may just tr y that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It=0A> would be easy to set t hat up.=0A>=0A>> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control s urfaces=0A>> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it=0A>> than anyone else around these days.=0A>=0A> The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then=0A> line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside=0A> that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My=0A> Collins KWM-2 liked it so I did n't need a tuner. I just cranked it in=0A> and out to make it resonate on t he frequency I was using. The nice=0A> thing is that the wire was completel y behind the aircraft so there was=0A> no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing=0A> checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF"=0A> from copilots when they read the checkl ist to me. :-)=0A>=0A> --=0A> Brian Lloyd 3191 Weste rn Drive=0A> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 =0A> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)=0A>=0A> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty =0A> things . . . =0A> - Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry=0A>=0A> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A 1B6C=0A> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A ======================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.