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Thu 02/07/08


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 12:15 AM - Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals (Chris East)
     2. 04:43 AM - Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals (A. Dennis Savarese)
     3. 05:04 AM - Re: LLC and Aircraft Loans (rbwxx)
     4. 05:40 AM - Re: Tar Heel FAST Clinic (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
     5. 07:05 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE (Barry Hancock)
     6. 07:37 AM - Yak 52 instrument weights etc. (A. Dennis Savarese)
     7. 07:37 AM - Fw: Yak 52 instrument weights etc. (A. Dennis Savarese)
     8. 08:12 AM - Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals (Roger Baker)
     9. 08:39 AM - Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals (A. Dennis Savarese)
    10. 11:06 AM - Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals (Jorgen Nielsen)
    11. 07:07 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE (Tim Gagnon)
    12. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE (Roger Kemp M.D.)
    13. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE (Brian Lloyd)
    14. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE (Mark Davis)
    15. 09:28 PM - 50th or 60th anniversary (N13472@aol.com)
    16. 11:34 PM - 18T rib stitching (Dave Grosvenor - DreamWings)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:15:52 AM PST US
    From: Chris East <lik_2_fly@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals
    Thanks all, found the problem. Thanks to Dennis i was quickly able to determine that the push rod was work ing correctly. The front rudder pedals where installed back to front during original overh aul, when the rudder pedals where adjusted full forward the foward linkage didnt have enough room to clear the rudder pedal mounting tude. cheers Chris From: lik_2_fly@hotmail.comTo: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Yak-List: Lin kage from Differential valve to rudder pedalsDate: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:25:18 Hi All, Ive noticed im not getting full rudder deflection on a Yak 52 and i t appears to be hitting the end of travel on the differential valve before hitting the rudder stops. Looking at the drawings it appears there is a spr ing cartridge in the link between the rudder pedals and the differential va lve. Im guessing its to allow's for full travel of the rudder. Has anyone h ad any trouble with this or has more information on its operation. regardsC hrisAdelaide, Australia Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? _________________________________________________________________ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&r eferral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetrader s


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    Time: 04:43:14 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals
    Chris, As suggestion concerning the rudder cable mounting tubes - for safety of flight, particularly during aerobatics; either remove them completely or remove them and cut the end closest to the rudder peddles at a 45 - 60 degree angle. Then reinstall. The reason being - the heal of the shoe or boot can jam against the front edge of the tube when full rudder deflection is applied. This can be dangerous during aerobatic maneuvers where full rudder deflection is needed. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris East To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:12 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Thanks all, found the problem. Thanks to Dennis i was quickly able to determine that the push rod was working correctly. The front rudder pedals where installed back to front during original overhaul, when the rudder pedals where adjusted full forward the foward linkage didnt have enough room to clear the rudder pedal mounting tude. cheers Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: lik_2_fly@hotmail.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:25:18 +1030 Hi All, Ive noticed im not getting full rudder deflection on a Yak 52 and it appears to be hitting the end of travel on the differential valve before hitting the rudder stops. Looking at the drawings it appears there is a spring cartridge in the link between the rudder pedals and the differential valve. Im guessing its to allow's for full travel of the rudder. Has anyone had any trouble with this or has more information on its operation. regards Chris Adelaide, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders.


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    Time: 05:04:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LLC and Aircraft Loans
    From: "rbwxx" <mansionrw@bellsouth.net>
    The idea that putting the airplane into an LLC gives you liability protection if you bail out and the airplane crashes into a school is just wrong. The LLC didn't crash the airplane into the school. You did. You will be the target of the suit, not the LLC. If you want to protect your other assets -- your house, real estate, other investments, etc, put them into an LLC or better yet a Family Limited Partnership. This may provide some protection, but as another poster pointed out, a good trial lawyer may be able to pierce that corporate veil. I don't post much on this site because I don't own a Yak or CJ. I have been a trial lawyer for 30 years and a pilot for over 40. -------- Dick Watson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162808#162808


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    Time: 05:40:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tar Heel FAST Clinic
    From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com>
    Tim: Thanks for the invite. Maybe 2009! I am still living in Florida (moving to NC first weekend in March). My plane is still in California and will not be ready until April at which time I will move it to NC. Jack has some work to do on his 52 that we will be doing once I get to NC. Hope you guys can make it to our clinic in June! Craig CJ-6 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162810#162810


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    Time: 07:05:29 AM PST US
    From: Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
    Subject: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE
    On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE > > Barry, > > > Do you ship to Holland as well?? Hans, We'll ship anywhere... Cheers, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original.


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    Time: 07:37:33 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Yak 52 instrument weights etc.
    For those of you who are contemplating removing the Russian instruments and slave gyro system, below is a list of the components and their individual weights. The PT-200 inverter was not removed, but should weigh in pretty close to 10 pounds if removed. This information was provided to me by Jimmy Fordham who is upgrading his Yak 52 with a Dynon D10A. The Russian VHF radio was previously removed. The cannon plugs and wiring remained in the airplane. 1.9 Russian intercom box and connections 3.7 compass front 3.7 compass rear 2.9 v/s, turn and bank front 2.9 v/s, turn and bank rear 5.3 attitude ind. front 5.3 attitude ind. rear 7.0 Pag-1 inv. 15.0 dir. gyro and rack mount (located just aft of front seat) 1.0 Misc. wires and switches associated with the above. Total wt. removed is 47 lbs. +- a few ozs. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com


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    Time: 07:37:54 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Fw: Yak 52 instrument weights etc.
    I forgot to mention all weights are in pounds and ounces. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: Yak 52 instrument weights etc. > For those of you who are contemplating removing the Russian instruments > and slave gyro system, below is a list of the components and their > individual weights. The PT-200 inverter was not removed, but should weigh > in pretty close to 10 pounds if removed. This information was provided to > me by Jimmy Fordham who is upgrading his Yak 52 with a Dynon D10A. The > Russian VHF radio was previously removed. The cannon plugs and wiring > remained in the airplane. > > 1.9 Russian intercom box and connections > 3.7 compass front > 3.7 compass rear > 2.9 v/s, turn and bank front > 2.9 v/s, turn and bank rear > 5.3 attitude ind. front > 5.3 attitude ind. rear > 7.0 Pag-1 inv. > 15.0 dir. gyro and rack mount (located just aft of front seat) > 1.0 Misc. wires and switches associated with the above. > > Total wt. removed is 47 lbs. +- a few ozs. > > Dennis > > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-2141 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: yakworld1 > www.yak-52.com >


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    Time: 08:12:07 AM PST US
    From: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals
    It is interesting that there are still airplanes out there without this modification. It was a mandatory bulletin in the DOSAAF (like our Airworthiness Directive) to have the tubes modified. People had died because of them. To my mind, they MUST be modified before further flight. Roger___________________________________________________________________ ___________ On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:37 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > Chris, > As suggestion concerning the rudder cable mounting tubes - for > safety of flight, particularly during aerobatics; either remove > them completely or remove them and cut the end closest to the > rudder peddles at a 45 - 60 degree angle. Then reinstall. The > reason being - the heal of the shoe or boot can jam against the > front edge of the tube when full rudder deflection is applied. > This can be dangerous during aerobatic maneuvers where full rudder > deflection is needed. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris East > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:12 AM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder > pedals > > Thanks all, found the problem. > > Thanks to Dennis i was quickly able to determine that the push rod > was working correctly. > > The front rudder pedals where installed back to front during > original overhaul, when the rudder pedals where adjusted full > forward the foward linkage didnt have enough room to clear the > rudder pedal mounting tude. > > cheers > Chris > > > From: lik_2_fly@hotmail.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:25:18 +1030 > > Hi All, > > Ive noticed im not getting full rudder deflection on a Yak 52 and > it appears to be hitting the end of travel on the differential > valve before hitting the rudder stops. > > Looking at the drawings it appears there is a spring cartridge in > the link between the rudder pedals and the differential valve. Im > guessing its to allow's for full travel of the rudder. Has anyone > had any trouble with this or has more information on its operation. > > regards > Chris > Adelaide, Australia > > > Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? > et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listp:// > forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders. > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http:// > forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http:// > www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== >


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    Time: 08:39:19 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals
    You are 110% right Roger. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Baker To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals It is interesting that there are still airplanes out there without this modification. It was a mandatory bulletin in the DOSAAF (like our Airworthiness Directive) to have the tubes modified. People had died because of them. To my mind, they MUST be modified before further flight. Roger____________________________________________________________________ __________ On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:37 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: Chris, As suggestion concerning the rudder cable mounting tubes - for safety of flight, particularly during aerobatics; either remove them completely or remove them and cut the end closest to the rudder peddles at a 45 - 60 degree angle. Then reinstall. The reason being - the heal of the shoe or boot can jam against the front edge of the tube when full rudder deflection is applied. This can be dangerous during aerobatic maneuvers where full rudder deflection is needed. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris East To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:12 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Thanks all, found the problem. Thanks to Dennis i was quickly able to determine that the push rod was working correctly. The front rudder pedals where installed back to front during original overhaul, when the rudder pedals where adjusted full forward the foward linkage didnt have enough room to clear the rudder pedal mounting tude. cheers Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: lik_2_fly@hotmail.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:25:18 +1030 Hi All, Ive noticed im not getting full rudder deflection on a Yak 52 and it appears to be hitting the end of travel on the differential valve before hitting the rudder stops. Looking at the drawings it appears there is a spring cartridge in the link between the rudder pedals and the differential valve. Im guessing its to allow's for full travel of the rudder. Has anyone had any trouble with this or has more information on its operation. regards Chris Adelaide, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listp://forums.matroni cs.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/c - The Yak-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 11:06:04 AM PST US
    From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
    Subject: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals
    I have seen 2 very pale faces after landing when this occurred, luckily without injury.plane locked into spin. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: 07 February 2008 02:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Chris, As suggestion concerning the rudder cable mounting tubes - for safety of flight, particularly during aerobatics; either remove them completely or remove them and cut the end closest to the rudder peddles at a 45 - 60 degree angle. Then reinstall. The reason being - the heal of the shoe or boot can jam against the front edge of the tube when full rudder deflection is applied. This can be dangerous during aerobatic maneuvers where full rudder deflection is needed. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris East <mailto:lik_2_fly@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:12 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Thanks all, found the problem. Thanks to Dennis i was quickly able to determine that the push rod was working correctly. The front rudder pedals where installed back to front during original overhaul, when the rudder pedals where adjusted full forward the foward linkage didnt have enough room to clear the rudder pedal mounting tude. cheers Chris _____ From: lik_2_fly@hotmail.com Subject: Yak-List: Linkage from Differential valve to rudder pedals Hi All, Ive noticed im not getting full rudder deflection on a Yak 52 and it appears to be hitting the end of travel on the differential valve before hitting the rudder stops. Looking at the drawings it appears there is a spring cartridge in the link between the rudder pedals and the differential valve. Im guessing its to allow's for full travel of the rudder. Has anyone had any trouble with this or has more information on its operation. regards Chris Adelaide, Australia _____ Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders. <http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=832&refer ral=hotmailtaglineOct07&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:07:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
    Barry, Sign me up for a set. Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162923#162923


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    Time: 07:43:17 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE
    You guys are going to lose some of your G tolerance by stretching your legs out. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE Barry, Sign me up for a set. Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162923#162923


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    Time: 08:07:57 PM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE
    On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote: > > > > You guys are going to lose some of your G tolerance by stretching > your legs > out. How much do you think? 5G already hurts. :-) -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C


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    Time: 08:35:12 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Davis" <mark@pld.com>
    Subject: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE
    As I understand it , you will still have the option to move the pedals back to a more rearward position with the adjuster, but have a little more room for cross countries when wanted. Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > You guys are going to lose some of your G tolerance by stretching your > legs > out. > Doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:05 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder Pedal Mod - UPDATE > > > Barry, > > Sign me up for a set. > > Tim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162923#162923 > > >


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    Time: 09:28:52 PM PST US
    From: N13472@aol.com
    Subject: 50th or 60th anniversary
    EAA AirVenture is a major gathering for several warbirds groups celebrating anniversaries this year, including the 70th anniversary of the T-6 trainer and the 60th anniversary of the Nanchang CJ-6A. Dozens of each of those models are expected to be part of the AirVenture flight line, and it could shift warbird parking patterns slightly in that area. Pappy, will we need more CJ's now? Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)


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    Time: 11:34:49 PM PST US
    From: Dave Grosvenor - DreamWings <dave@dreamwings.co.za>
    Subject: 18T rib stitching
    I'm busy re-covering the wing tips of a Yak 18T. Does anyone have a drawing of the knot they use? Dave




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