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1. 03:37 AM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Rick Basiliere)
2. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: N923YK (Kurt Howerton)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: V530 props (Kregg Victory)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: N923YK (Brian Lloyd)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Re: N923YK (alikatz@mbay.net)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Alternator vs Generator and Overvoltage (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Re: N923YK (Kregg Victory)
9. 10:15 AM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Brian Lloyd)
10. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Re: N923YK (Kurt Howerton)
11. 11:38 AM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Roger Kemp M.D.)
12. 01:36 PM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Scott Poehlmann)
13. 07:46 PM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Herb Coussons)
14. 08:32 PM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Roger Kemp M.D.)
15. 09:50 PM - TOGGLE SWITCH (CZ)
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| Subject: | Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
Drew;
Thanks for all you and the other organizers of Red Star have done. I was one of
the earlier originals with coming on board with Bud in '96, so 12 years for
me now. Wow. I have kept some of Bud's Yak "magazines" crude in comparison
to our slick color mag now but it brings back great memories.
All of you out there...a big thanks - the organization is working. We haven't
had a good - who does akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while - that one has hopefully
died a gruesome death.
Respectfully, Rick b
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew
Sent: 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Folks,
I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter dated Winter 1993 Vol 1, No 1. and
titled "The CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud Harrell asked this question:
"...Will there be a Yak association like the T-34 association? I cannot answer
that question. For now, we may be too few, and too far flung..."
He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those days and had some 23 pilots respond
to this proposal to organize, out of a distribution list of 47 owners.
For many of you, the founding of the Yak Pilots Club and evolution to the RedStar
Pilots Association, has been a positive addition to your interest in these
aircraft and this great past time. The RPA (RedStar) is a unified all-aircraft
aviators association, it was about the pilots flying, and not about one type
specific aircraft or another - the name change proposal itself was done to cement
that concept not long after a Yak 52 pilot called up before coming to a California
fly-in we were forming in 2001 and said "This ain't one of those *$#@
CJ club get togethers they just refer to as 'Yak' is it?". No, this is RedStar...and
we made it a goal to forever remove such an incorrect perception among
aircraft owners of Eastern Block aircraft (and beyond, RPA membership is open
to pilot-owners who simply commit to the goals of training and fun).
I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old this year? The CJ is 50 or maybe more.
Whats really important, as is being pointed out by Condor [pres] to the volunteers
and seen through the agressive refocus of Oshkosh 2008, as you will
read in this quarters Red Alert, is the realization that the RPA is 15 years old
- and this event is a National RedStar Celebration of the ENTIRE associations
membership and it's collective accomplishments and evolution.
RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and Yak anniversaries in specialty publications,
mass formations and other venues, but this event is getting a lot of
planning effort (and RPA treasury and sponsor money) to support the pilots and
members equally, doesn't matter what you fly or drive.
And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow their association...from 23 in 1993
to well over 450 today.
Food for thought,
Drew
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Close - Watts-Woodland, CA - O41
--
Kurt Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
*Subject:* */Re: Re: N923YK/*
*From:* */Jim/ (/jimscjs@mbay.net/
<mailto:jimscjs@mbay.net?subject=Re:%20Re:%20N923YK&replyto=000901c87119$934b5d10$4101a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>)*
*Date:* */*Sat Feb 16 - 8:14 PM*/*
*Winters,by Sacramento
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From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com <mailto:capav8r@gmail.com?subject=Re:%20Re:%20N923YK&replyto=000901c87119$934b5d10$4101a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com?subject=Re:%20Re:%20N923YK&replyto=000901c87119$934b5d10$4101a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: N923YK
> <capav8r@gmail.com <mailto:capav8r@gmail.com?subject=Re:%20Re:%20N923YK&replyto=000901c87119$934b5d10$4101a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>>
>
> Jim:
>
> Where is Kurt going to base his new pride and joy?
>
> Craig
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164491#164491
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| Subject: | Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
Rick,
I'll respond to the question AND start the debate - "....who does akro
best, Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no comparison. Yak 52 wins
hands down. :-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Basiliere
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Drew;
Thanks for all you and the other organizers of Red Star have done. I
was one of the earlier originals with coming on board with Bud in '96,
so 12 years for me now. Wow. I have kept some of Bud's Yak
"magazines" crude in comparison to our slick color mag now but it
brings back great memories.
All of you out there...a big thanks - the organization is working. We
haven't had a good - who does akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while - that
one has hopefully died a gruesome death.
Respectfully, Rick b
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Folks,
I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter dated Winter 1993 Vol
1, No 1. and titled "The CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud Harrell asked this
question:
"...Will there be a Yak association like the T-34 association? I
cannot answer that question. For now, we may be too few, and too far
flung..."
He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those days and had some 23
pilots respond to this proposal to organize, out of a distribution list
of 47 owners.
For many of you, the founding of the Yak Pilots Club and evolution
to the RedStar Pilots Association, has been a positive addition to your
interest in these aircraft and this great past time. The RPA (RedStar)
is a unified all-aircraft aviators association, it was about the pilots
flying, and not about one type specific aircraft or another - the name
change proposal itself was done to cement that concept not long after a
Yak 52 pilot called up before coming to a California fly-in we were
forming in 2001 and said "This ain't one of those *$#@ CJ club get
togethers they just refer to as 'Yak' is it?". No, this is
RedStar...and we made it a goal to forever remove such an incorrect
perception among aircraft owners of Eastern Block aircraft (and beyond,
RPA membership is open to pilot-owners who simply commit to the goals of
training and fun).
I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old this year? The CJ is 50
or maybe more. Whats really important, as is being pointed out by
Condor [pres] to the volunteers and seen through the agressive refocus
of Oshkosh 2008, as you will read in this quarters Red Alert, is the
realization that the RPA is 15 years old - and this event is a National
RedStar Celebration of the ENTIRE associations membership and it's
collective accomplishments and evolution.
RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and Yak anniversaries in
specialty publications, mass formations and other venues, but this event
is getting a lot of planning effort (and RPA treasury and sponsor money)
to support the pilots and members equally, doesn't matter what you fly
or drive.
And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow their association...from
23 in 1993 to well over 450 today.
Food for thought,
Drew
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Barry, I have one or two I am will sell.
Kregg Victory
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: V530 props
Gang,
Looking for anyone willing to part with their V530 prop in useable
condition.
Please contact me off list.
Thanks!
Barry
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On Feb 17, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
>
> Close - Watts-Woodland, CA - O41
Kurt:
We have two Redstar aircraft, a Yak-52 and a CJ6A (and another CJ6A
when my project is done), at Cameron Park -- O61. We also have two
SNJs, two T-28s, a T-34, and a Swift as well, all FAST-trained and all
who actively go out and practice formation. We can almost always put
up a two-ship and most times can get a four-ship formation flight with
just a little notice if someone is interested.
In addition I am a CFI who specializes in transition training in both
the CJ6A and the Yak-52. I also teach spins, upset recovery,
formation, and basic aerobatics. I will be happy to provide recurring
training, systems training, and flight reviews in your CJ should you
feel the need.
Feel free to give me a call and then pop on over. We are only about 20
minutes away.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Thanks Brian...
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
>
> >
> > Close - Watts-Woodland, CA - O41
>
> Kurt:
>
> We have two Redstar aircraft, a Yak-52 and a CJ6A (and another CJ6A
> when my project is done), at Cameron Park -- O61. We also have two
> SNJs, two T-28s, a T-34, and a Swift as well, all FAST-trained and all
> who actively go out and practice formation. We can almost always put
> up a two-ship and most times can get a four-ship formation flight with
> just a little notice if someone is interested.
>
> In addition I am a CFI who specializes in transition training in both
> the CJ6A and the Yak-52. I also teach spins, upset recovery,
> formation, and basic aerobatics. I will be happy to provide recurring
> training, systems training, and flight reviews in your CJ should you
> feel the need.
>
> Feel free to give me a call and then pop on over. We are only about 20
> minutes away.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator vs Generator and Overvoltage |
Brian:
Yes it does. As I have a significant investment in avionics in my CJ, I am not
interested in cooking them with a potential overvoltage situation.
You mentioned that you would automatically replace the gen system and replace it
with an alternator in any Yak/CJ you owned. I suspect it is more for the peace
of mind in modern regulators/alternators/etc. or is there another benefit
of the alternator that I am missing (other than weight).
Also, I have not seen an alternator for the CJ on the B&C website. The one listed
is for the M-14 not the Housai. I understand that the drive spline is different
on these two engines.
Thanks for your help,
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164603#164603
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Brian, Kurt and all,
I have a Yak and CJ friendly shop at Reid Hillview (KRHV) in San Jose, CA.
Current I am in the final stages of a glass panel front and rear of my -52.
Also with many other mods. Also a -50 which is next in line for some
enhancements.
Anyone is welcome to stop by, visit chat about Yaks, and CJ. We also are
form qualified and fly some ACM as well.
Kregg Victory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: N923YK
On Feb 17, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
>
> Close - Watts-Woodland, CA - O41
Kurt:
We have two Redstar aircraft, a Yak-52 and a CJ6A (and another CJ6A
when my project is done), at Cameron Park -- O61. We also have two
SNJs, two T-28s, a T-34, and a Swift as well, all FAST-trained and all
who actively go out and practice formation. We can almost always put
up a two-ship and most times can get a four-ship formation flight with
just a little notice if someone is interested.
In addition I am a CFI who specializes in transition training in both
the CJ6A and the Yak-52. I also teach spins, upset recovery,
formation, and basic aerobatics. I will be happy to provide recurring
training, systems training, and flight reviews in your CJ should you
feel the need.
Feel free to give me a call and then pop on over. We are only about 20
minutes away.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
On Feb 17, 2008, at 7:16 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Rick,
> I'll respond to the question AND start the debate - "....who does
> akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no comparison. Yak 52
> wins hands down. :-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
I fly both on a regular basis. Dennis is right. Yak-52 is a *much*
better acro mount.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Wow! This is great!
I'll keep all this in mind and I'll definitely drop by here soon!
K
Kregg Victory wrote:
>
> Brian, Kurt and all,
>
> I have a Yak and CJ friendly shop at Reid Hillview (KRHV) in San Jose, CA.
> Current I am in the final stages of a glass panel front and rear of my -52.
> Also with many other mods. Also a -50 which is next in line for some
> enhancements.
>
> Anyone is welcome to stop by, visit chat about Yaks, and CJ. We also are
> form qualified and fly some ACM as well.
>
> Kregg Victory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:24 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: N923YK
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
>
>>
>> Close - Watts-Woodland, CA - O41
>
> Kurt:
>
> We have two Redstar aircraft, a Yak-52 and a CJ6A (and another CJ6A
> when my project is done), at Cameron Park -- O61. We also have two
> SNJs, two T-28s, a T-34, and a Swift as well, all FAST-trained and all
> who actively go out and practice formation. We can almost always put
> up a two-ship and most times can get a four-ship formation flight with
> just a little notice if someone is interested.
>
> In addition I am a CFI who specializes in transition training in both
> the CJ6A and the Yak-52. I also teach spins, upset recovery,
> formation, and basic aerobatics. I will be happy to provide recurring
> training, systems training, and flight reviews in your CJ should you
> feel the need.
>
> Feel free to give me a call and then pop on over. We are only about 20
> minutes away.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
> PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
> PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
Ohhhh...Nooooo.YUUUUUU...d'it'nntt!! Being one of the few and the proud.the
YAK-50!
Now lets hear from the YAK 54/55 and Sukio boys..a well.the girls too!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Rick,
I'll respond to the question AND start the debate - "....who does akro best,
Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no comparison. Yak 52 wins hands down.
:-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Basiliere <mailto:discrab@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Drew;
Thanks for all you and the other organizers of Red Star have done. I was
one of the earlier originals with coming on board with Bud in '96, so 12
years for me now. Wow. I have kept some of Bud's Yak "magazines" crude
in comparison to our slick color mag now but it brings back great memories.
All of you out there...a big thanks - the organization is working. We
haven't had a good - who does akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while - that one
has hopefully died a gruesome death.
Respectfully, Rick b
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew <mailto:lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Sent: 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Folks,
I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter dated Winter 1993 Vol 1, No 1.
and titled "The CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud Harrell asked this question:
"...Will there be a Yak association like the T-34 association? I cannot
answer that question. For now, we may be too few, and too far flung..."
He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those days and had some 23 pilots
respond to this proposal to organize, out of a distribution list of 47
owners.
For many of you, the founding of the Yak Pilots Club and evolution to the
RedStar Pilots Association, has been a positive addition to your interest in
these aircraft and this great past time. The RPA (RedStar) is a unified
all-aircraft aviators association, it was about the pilots flying, and not
about one type specific aircraft or another - the name change proposal
itself was done to cement that concept not long after a Yak 52 pilot called
up before coming to a California fly-in we were forming in 2001 and said
"This ain't one of those *$#@ CJ club get togethers they just refer to as
'Yak' is it?". No, this is RedStar...and we made it a goal to forever
remove such an incorrect perception among aircraft owners of Eastern Block
aircraft (and beyond, RPA membership is open to pilot-owners who simply
commit to the goals of training and fun).
I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old this year? The CJ is 50 or maybe
more. Whats really important, as is being pointed out by Condor [pres] to
the volunteers and seen through the agressive refocus of Oshkosh 2008, as
you will read in this quarters Red Alert, is the realization that the RPA is
15 years old - and this event is a National RedStar Celebration of the
ENTIRE associations membership and it's collective accomplishments and
evolution.
RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and Yak anniversaries in specialty
publications, mass formations and other venues, but this event is getting a
lot of planning effort (and RPA treasury and sponsor money) to support the
pilots and members equally, doesn't matter what you fly or drive.
And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow their association...from 23 in
1993 to well over 450 today.
Food for thought,
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
I think it is safe to say that the Su26/31 is the best Russian Acro
plane available--how many World Championships? 7 now, I think (not
counting the 4-minute Free, of course...)
I think it is safe to say that the Su29 is the best Russian 2-seat Acro
plane. Possibly the best 2 seat acro plane of any sort.
The Yak 55/55M is probably the best acro VALUE anywhere--it will hold
its own with any of the Sukhois (yes, it really is AT LEAST 80% of a
Sukhoi) and is about 1/4-1/5 the price.
There were only about 7 Yak 54's ever made--if I ever get to fly one,
I'll have an opinion about it. I have seen the I-3/E-3/SP91/SP95
(whatever you want to call it), and it is in the same league with the
Yak 55.
Now, if someone would come up with a symmetrical, 0-dihedral wing with a
tailwheel conversion for a -52, THAT would be quite the trainer...
Scott
Yak 55M N155YK
former owner of Su29 N329SU
Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
>
> Ohhhh.NoooooYUUUUUU..ditnntt!! Being one of the few and the
> proudthe YAK-50!
>
> Now lets hear from the YAK 54/55 and Sukio boys.a wellthe girls too!
>
> Doc
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
> Savarese
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:16 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
> Rick,
>
> I'll respond to the question AND start the debate - "....who does akro
> best, Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no comparison. Yak 52 wins
> hands down. :-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Rick Basiliere <mailto:discrab@earthlink.net>
>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and
> Oshkosh...
>
> Drew;
>
> Thanks for all you and the other organizers of Red Star have done.
> I was one of the earlier originals with coming on board with Bud
> in '96, so 12 years for me now. Wow. I have kept some of Bud's Yak
> "magazines" crude in comparison to our slick color mag now but it
> brings back great memories.
>
> All of you out there...a big thanks - the organization is working.
> We haven't had a good - who does akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while
> - that one has hopefully died a gruesome death.
>
> Respectfully, Rick b
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Drew <mailto:lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
>
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and
> Oshkosh...
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter dated Winter
> 1993 Vol 1, No 1. and titled "The CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
>
> In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud Harrell asked
> this question:
>
> "...Will there be a Yak association like the T-34 association?
> I cannot answer that question. For now, we may be too few, and
> too far flung..."
>
> He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those days and had some
> 23 pilots respond to this proposal to organize, out of a
> distribution list of 47 owners.
>
> For many of you, the founding of the Yak Pilots Club and
> evolution to the RedStar Pilots Association, has been a
> positive addition to your interest in these aircraft and this
> great past time. The RPA (RedStar) is a unified all-aircraft
> aviators association, it was about the pilots flying, and not
> about one type specific aircraft or another - the name change
> proposal itself was done to cement that concept not long after
> a Yak 52 pilot called up before coming to a California fly-in
> we were forming in 2001 and said "This ain't one of those *$#@
> CJ club get togethers they just refer to as 'Yak' is it?". No,
> this is RedStar...and we made it a goal to forever remove such
> an incorrect perception among aircraft owners of Eastern Block
> aircraft (and beyond, RPA membership is open to pilot-owners
> who simply commit to the goals of training and fun).
>
> I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old this year? The CJ
> is 50 or maybe more. Whats really important, as is being
> pointed out by Condor [pres] to the volunteers and seen
> through the agressive refocus of Oshkosh 2008, as you will
> read in this quarters Red Alert, is the realization that the
> RPA is 15 years old - and this event is a National RedStar
> Celebration of the ENTIRE associations membership and it's
> collective accomplishments and evolution.
>
> RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and Yak anniversaries
> in specialty publications, mass formations and other venues,
> but this event is getting a lot of planning effort (and RPA
> treasury and sponsor money) to support the pilots and members
> equally, doesn't matter what you fly or drive.
>
> And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow their
> association...from 23 in 1993 to well over 450 today.
>
> Food for thought,
>
> Drew
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
Yak 52TW and Yak 55M
They both are awesome fun to fly - The 52TW loses some performance
solo in my opinion. It takes a guy in the back seat to keep the CG
and Center of lift closer so that acro such as tumbling improves.
With a solo pilot in the front the CG is so far forward it always
wants to go nose down - safer but not as fun. The Yak 52TW is cleaner
- less induced drag and easier energy management than the 55.
The 55M has the better power to weight ratio, Shorter wing, faster
roll, bigger ailerons and way more rudder authority. Symetrical wing
- close CG and center of lift. Simpler systems - I would say it kicks
the 52's ass in acro - but it was designed to fly acro - the 52 was
designed as a trainer - thus the flying characteristics of the 52 are
more capable with a moderate sized GIB - The only drawback to the 55 -
you can't take a friend and energy management. Otherwise It's my
choice when I have time to squeeze in a 20-30 minute flight by myself
before work.
Although another 10 inches of snow and its supposed to be below zero
Monday again - I was in Miami and Orlando last week and kept thinking
how nice it would be to fly year around....
Herb
On Feb 17, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
> Ohhhh=85=85.Nooooo=85YUUUUUU=85..d=92it=92nntt!! Being one of the few
and the
> proud=85the YAK-50!
> Now lets hear from the YAK 54/55 and Sukio boys=85.a well=85the girls
too!
> Doc
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:16 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
> Rick,
> I'll respond to the question AND start the debate - "....who does
> akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no comparison. Yak 52
> wins hands down. :-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Basiliere
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
> Drew;
>
> Thanks for all you and the other organizers of Red Star have done.
> I was one of the earlier originals with coming on board with Bud in
> '96, so 12 years for me now. Wow. I have kept some of Bud's Yak
> "magazines" crude in comparison to our slick color mag now but it
> brings back great memories.
>
> All of you out there...a big thanks - the organization is working.
> We haven't had a good - who does akro best, Yak or CJ? in a while -
> that one has hopefully died a gruesome death.
>
> Respectfully, Rick b
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drew
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter dated Winter 1993 Vol
> 1, No 1. and titled "The CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
>
> In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud Harrell asked this
> question:
>
> "...Will there be a Yak association like the T-34 association? I
> cannot answer that question. For now, we may be too few, and too far
> flung..."
>
> He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those days and had some 23
> pilots respond to this proposal to organize, out of a distribution
> list of 47 owners.
>
> For many of you, the founding of the Yak Pilots Club and evolution
> to the RedStar Pilots Association, has been a positive addition to
> your interest in these aircraft and this great past time. The RPA
> (RedStar) is a unified all-aircraft aviators association, it was
> about the pilots flying, and not about one type specific aircraft or
> another - the name change proposal itself was done to cement that
> concept not long after a Yak 52 pilot called up before coming to a
> California fly-in we were forming in 2001 and said "This ain't one
> of those *$#@ CJ club get togethers they just refer to as 'Yak' is
> it?". No, this is RedStar...and we made it a goal to forever remove
> such an incorrect perception among aircraft owners of Eastern Block
> aircraft (and beyond, RPA membership is open to pilot-owners who
> simply commit to the goals of training and fun).
>
> I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old this year? The CJ is 50
> or maybe more. Whats really important, as is being pointed out by
> Condor [pres] to the volunteers and seen through the agressive
> refocus of Oshkosh 2008, as you will read in this quarters Red
> Alert, is the realization that the RPA is 15 years old - and this
> event is a National RedStar Celebration of the ENTIRE associations
> membership and it's collective accomplishments and evolution.
>
> RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and Yak anniversaries in
> specialty publications, mass formations and other venues, but this
> event is getting a lot of planning effort (and RPA treasury and
> sponsor money) to support the pilots and members equally, doesn't
> matter what you fly or drive.
>
> And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow their association...from
> 23 in 1993 to well over 450 today.
>
> Food for thought,
>
> Drew
>
>
>
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Well, between the Tornados and Hurricanes that is. Had 2 days of great
flying Fri and Sat. If one could get away during the week, we had 3 other
great days and it is Feb. Now it does get hot and humid during the summer.
Move south, Herb, the water is fine. My hospital is always looking for good
Ob Gyns'. You will have to deal the 800 lb Gorilla though. BC/BS of Al. Hate
them!
Roger "Doc" Kemp
YAK 50 78YK and YAK 52 552SH.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Although another 10 inches of snow and its supposed to be below zero Monday
again - I was in Miami and Orlando last week and kept thinking how nice it
would be to fly year around....
Herb
On Feb 17, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
Ohhhh...Nooooo.YUUUUUU...d'it'nntt!! Being one of the few and the proud.the
YAK-50!
Now lets hear from the YAK 54/55 and Sukio boys..a well.the girls too!
Doc
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Does anybody have a label list or illustration of the toggle switches for the cj
cockpit
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