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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft (Roger Kemp M.D.)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: Chinese markings (ronald wasson)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Overvoltage (darn), Alternator for the CJ (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: N923YK (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
6. 02:44 PM - Re: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 03:06 PM - Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 10:19 PM - Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft (Tim Gagnon)
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| Subject: | Best Aerobatic Aircraft |
No..Trog shit pelt...make rapid ug..Ugg..UGGG while banging glare shield
with club!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Best Aerobatic Aircraft
Round thing go putt putt - Trog be happy. Round thing be quiet, Trog be
sad.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: 22 February 2008 07:07 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best Aerobatic Aircraft
On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
> >
>
> Obviously a deranged man. The only cure is to spend more time behind
> the
> bone stimulating rumble of a M-14.
Trog like fly. Trog like thing go round. Thing go round, Trog go up,
Trog go fast. Trog not care why thing go round. Trog not care that
thing go round be flat or round or make loud putt-putt noise.
Trog work on generator now.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft |
In a message dated 2/22/2008 7:44:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
AH! Trog know answer. Much wampum. Big white father with much wampum let
pretty boys play with stinky noise thing. They play and play and play until
big white father say, no more. Get to old like Trog. Still want play - no
wampum - come see Trog. Me show them CJ-6. Trog ALWAYS poor. No wampum from
first day. But Trog still need to play and play and play and play.
Yak OK for short play and play and play. Not good looking over horizon.
CJ-6 OK for Old Trog for short play and play. But good for go see fruit of
my loins. Make Trog mate happy too. She no like play and play and play.
Big white father pretty boys sad. No wampum for stinky noise thing. Must
come down from tree and walk ground like Trog. Soon see Trog play and play
and play looonnnng time.
Great truth of life is wampum. All earth and sky turn around wampum!
Trog Pappy
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
No..Trog shit pelt...make rapid ug..Ugg..UGGG while banging glare shield
with club!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Best Aerobatic Aircraft
Round thing go putt putt - Trog be happy. Round thing be quiet, Trog be
sad.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: 22 February 2008 07:07 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best Aerobatic Aircraft
On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
> >
>
> Obviously a deranged man. The only cure is to spend more time behind
> the
> bone stimulating rumble of a M-14.
Trog like fly. Trog like thing go round. Thing go round, Trog go up,
Trog go fast. Trog not care why thing go round. Trog not care that
thing go round be flat or round or make loud putt-putt noise.
Trog work on generator now.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese markings |
Go on the internet and buy a plastic chinese model. They come with a
great plan for painting them
On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:40 AM, peter waddington wrote:
> >
>
>
> We are having our CJ-6 stripped and painted at the moment. We are
> going for Chinese military green/blue with Chinese star and bars. We
> cannot find a good reference for the exact size and location of the
> original military markings. Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks, guys
>
> Pete
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overvoltage (darn), Alternator for the CJ |
Elmar:
The B&C alternator and VR will set you back between $900 and $1000. If you install
yourself, then there is no install cost, otherwise, add about 10 hours or
so to install. For the Housai engine, you also need the M-14 mounting plate
with the shaft seal or you'll be spending another $700 real soon to replace the
alternator once it gets loaded with oil.
Simple solution is to keep generator and put overvoltage protection on it. Thanks
to Brian, Aeroelectric has a unit designed. Bob at Aeroelectric will be producing
some soon!
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165556#165556
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Kurt:
Welcome to the CJ family!! It is a great airplane and you'll really enjoy it.
Fortunately for you, you are in California. When you want to add some mods to
it, Barry Hancock at Worlwide Warbirds in Chino, has the stuff and the mechanics
who know how to do it. Rudder pedal mods, Malcom hood canopy w/ one piece
rear section, EFIS install, long range tanks (new design!) or baldders if you
want em, etc, etc.
Craig
Nanchang CJ6
Soon to be in Raleigh, NC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165558#165558
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| Subject: | Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
Actually he was an accomplished glider pilot with several world records
to his credit. He worked at the Simulator and had put in for some kind
of an enlisted commissioning program... Which one, I am not sure of.
When he had his medical, they found some inner ear anomalies caused by
his being at some "Oh My God" altitude in the glider with no pressure
suit. This prevented him from being acceptable as an aviator. When he
got the news, he went out that weekend, fired up an A-4 (not sure
exactly which model) and away he went. They indeed launched some armed
F-18's with the intent to shoot his butt down if necessary, but by the
time they got their ducks in a row, he had returned to the base and
landed without event.... And went directly to jail. He really was not
trying to prove anything to anyone... He just wanted to fly jets once in
his life.
Afterwards he wrote up a mea-culpa statement saying what a stupid ass he
was... And they let him go with a BCD and a kick.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. That little incident also kept anyone except aircrew from flying
ANY military simulator for about a decade.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
M.D.
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 23:14
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I even remember that. Seems this kid was a crew chief that wanted to go
to UPT but was turned down. He stole the jet to convince or to prove to
his CO that he could fly or something like that.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
I'd forgotten all about it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Remember the LCpl that stole one out of El Toro and took it for a joy
> ride?
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 16:00
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
>
> Yeah they did. But they had an extra 2,000# of avionics and assorted
> junk on them and wouldn't outperform an E or F model with a -8 engine
so
> I was told by a USMC type Mike driver. Part of that weight must've
been
> the starting system.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>
>
> Point,
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Mark & Doc, I believe that the A-4M also had self start capability.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> P.s. I think we may have finally gone too far with the J-52. There
> are
>> more than a few cases of the 4 1/2 bearing going out causing
>> catastrophic failure. Pretty sure that was what caused all four to
>> eject from an EA-6B near Guam last week.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 14:17
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>>
>> Doc,
>> I believe all of the later Scooters had some version of the J52
>> except for some late models modified for export. Most were P6 or P8.
>> The early Skyhawks had J65 W 20's in them.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:46 AM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and
>> Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Was it not he J58 that the Blues had? I understand the P408 mod
>> now.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:39 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and
>> Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>>
>> Doc,
>>
>> P408's and the slats bolted up to avoid asymetric
>> deployment while 36" wingtip to canopy!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:21 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries
>> and Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes Sir! I believe that was the engine they put in the
>> Blues!
>>
>> Sweat little jet!
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:03 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries
>> and Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>>
>> Doc,
>>
>> I'm with you on the Scooter. The only problem with
>> them is needing a huffer to crank it up. The ultimate A-4 would be
>> Super Fox with a J52-P408. Better than one to one at low fuel
weights
>> on a basic engine jet and a 720 degree/sec. roll rate can't be beat!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Davis
>>
>> N44YK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>> <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:42 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> You are absolutely correct as is Mark on this
>> point. However, for shear ass fun on a truly inexpensive basis in a
>> stead that just plain kick ass turns heads when fired up, taxied by,
> and
>> doing fly-bys the YAK 50 is your machine. Now yes for the truly
> sublime
>> expense of it, move up to a Su 31 but to me for looks and a plain ass
>> sexy A/C , the Sukios nor the YAK 55 have that appeal. I know beauty
> is
>> in the eye of the beholder. If I wanted to just plain ass turn Ben
>> Franklins to noise in a truly kick ass airplane at an ungodly
expense,
>> then I would buy that demilitarized F-16A that appears occasionally
> in
>> Trade-a-plane! Now from firsthand experience, that is truly a "KICK
> ASS"
>> plane. Down- right expensive to operate though at over $6000/hour
now!
>> Granted, there are a few MIG 29's floating around too that can be had
>> for a song! Again, cost is going to kick your but unless you are the
>> Collins Foundation or the likes of.
>>
>> Also, since I don't do air shows (except rarely
>> when I get together with bunch of my old squadron mates at our
reunion
>> about every three years) or compete, this is purely for fun and to
>> escape from some of the stress in my life!
>>
>> So for pure ass fun of flying in an economical
>> to operate War-bird, pick your poison. CJ6 (rolls to slow for my
> taste),
>> the YAK-52 (have one and enjoy flying her), or the YAK-50 (have one
> and
>> absolutely love flying it). Not to ignore the others but I have no
>> experience with them either. I have left the smokers intentionally
out
>> of this also except for my comments about the 16 and 29.
>>
>> Now If I were to seriously consider buying a
>> smoker, then the L-39 is on my list simply because of acquisition
> cost.
>> Its' short field capability on a hot day suxs and it reminds me of an
>> F-84 in that it is a runway loving hog on a warm day!
>>
>> An A-4 Scooter is also on that list! In the
>> scheme of things, it is a very simple smoker to own and operate but
> not
>> from a cost perspective. Now I have gone an opened the door on who
> has
>> the best Smoker with writing all this bs.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:11 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>>
>>
>>
>> I concur with your ranking of the aircraft in
>> performance. A foot note needs to added on price point: it's an
>> exponential curve. An Su-31 is maybe 5% better than a Yak 55 and
> costs
>> three times as much. If you want to win in unlimited, you will need
> the
>> 5% improvement in performance and you will need to PAY big time to
> get.
>> The Yak 50 and 55 are at very good points in the price/performance
>> curve, but if your only concern is performance you'll need to move
way
>> up the price curve.
>>
>> As far as airshows and competition, the former
>> is show business, meant to dazzle and entertain. It is unrelated to
>> competition which is the archane, and dull as dishwater, persuit of
>> technical perfection.
>>
>> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>> > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:36:21 -0500
>> > From: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> >
>> Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> >
>> > No way Doc. The 50 is far from being the best
>> Aerobatic Mount... And I
>> > say that owning one. For doing AIRSHOWS, it
>> may very well be one of the
>> > best. Hang a 400HP motor on it with a good
>> three bladed prop and look
>> > out! However for pure aerobatics I believe of
>> all the Russian models,
>> > the Sukhoi 31 would be the best, followed by
>> the 26, and right there
>> > equal with the 26, probably the 29. Just a
>> tiny notch down, and this is
>> > of course debatable... Would be the YAK-55,
>> and close to that.. The 54.
>> > The 54 is very hard to judge... Very few of
>> them flying and you hardly
>> > ever see one at anything other than airshows.
>> >
>> > The difference between a 50 and a 31 is simply
>> night and day. Of
>> > course... So is the freaking price!
>> >
>> > Getting the best bang for the buck, I would
>> clearly put the 55 and 50
>> > first.
>> >
>> > Sadly, I think we are about to see the end of
>> the day where Russian
>> > designs dominate. A lot of models have either
>> stopped production, or
>> > are now asking SERIOUS prices.
>> >
>> > Mark Bitterlich
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>> On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> > M.D.
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 14:34
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>> >
>> > Ohhhh.......Nooooo...YUUUUUU.....d'it'nntt!!
>> Being one of the few and
>> > the proud...the YAK-50!
>> >
>> > Now lets hear from the YAK 54/55 and Sukio
>> boys....a well...the girls
>> > too!
>> >
>> > Doc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
>> On Behalf Of A. Dennis
>> > Savarese
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:16 AM
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and Oshkosh...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rick,
>> >
>> > I'll respond to the question AND start the
>> debate - "....who does akro
>> > best, Yak or CJ? in a while". Answer - no
>> comparison. Yak 52 wins
>> > hands down. :-)))) OK. Let the "debate" begin!
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From: Rick Basiliere
>> <mailto:discrab@earthlink.net>
>> >
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> >
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:35 AM
>> >
>> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and
>> > Oshkosh...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Drew;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for all you and the other organizers of
>> Red Star have
>> > done. I was one of the earlier originals with
>> coming on board with Bud
>> > in '96, so 12 years for me now. Wow. I have
>> kept some of Bud's Yak
>> > "magazines" crude in comparison to our slick
>> color mag now but it
>> > brings back great memories.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All of you out there...a big thanks - the
>> organization is
>> > working. We haven't had a good - who does akro
>> best, Yak or CJ? in a
>> > while - that one has hopefully died a gruesome
>> death.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Respectfully, Rick b
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From: Drew <mailto:lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> >
>> > Sent: 2/16/2008 9:41:59 AM
>> >
>> > Subject: Yak-List: Yak n CJ Aircraft
>> anniversaries and
>> > Oshkosh...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm sitting here with my copy of a newsletter
>> dated
>> > Winter 1993 Vol 1, No 1. and titled "The
>> CJ-6/Yak-18 Driver"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In that first edition, page 1, the editor Bud
>> Harrell
>> > asked this question:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "...Will there be a Yak association like the
>> T-34
>> > association? I cannot answer that question.
>> For now, we may be too few,
>> > and too far flung..."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He reffered to the CJ-6 as a Yak-18 in those
>> days and
>> > had some 23 pilots respond to this proposal to
>> organize, out of a
>> > distribution list of 47 owners.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For many of you, the founding of the Yak
>> Pilots Club and
>> > evolution to the RedStar Pilots Association,
>> has been a positive
>> > addition to your interest in these aircraft
>> and this great past time.
>> > The RPA (RedStar) is a unified all-aircraft
>> aviators association, it was
>> > about the pilots flying, and not about one
>> type specific aircraft or
>> > another - the name change proposal itself was
>> done to cement that
>> > concept not long after a Yak 52 pilot called
>> up before coming to a
>> > California fly-in we were forming in 2001 and
>> said "This ain't one of
>> > those *$#@ CJ club get togethers they just
>> refer to as 'Yak' is it?".
>> > No, this is RedStar...and we made it a goal to
>> forever remove such an
>> > incorrect perception among aircraft owners of
>> Eastern Block aircraft
>> > (and beyond, RPA membership is open to
>> pilot-owners who simply commit to
>> > the goals of training and fun).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I've heard that the Yak 52 is 30 years old
>> this year?
>> > The CJ is 50 or maybe more. Whats really
>> important, as is being pointed
>> > out by Condor [pres] to the volunteers and
>> seen through the agressive
>> > refocus of Oshkosh 2008, as you will read in
>> this quarters Red Alert, is
>> > the realization that the RPA is 15 years old -
>> and this event is a
>> > National RedStar Celebration of the ENTIRE
>> associations membership and
>> > it's collective accomplishments and evolution.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > RPA ops at Oshkosh may highlight the CJ and
>> Yak
>> > anniversaries in specialty publications, mass
>> formations and other
>> > venues, but this event is getting a lot of
>> planning effort (and RPA
>> > treasury and sponsor money) to support the
>> pilots and members equally,
>> > doesn't matter what you fly or drive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > And yes Bud, the community did indeed grow
>> their
>> > association...from 23 in 1993 to well over 450
>> today.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Food for thought,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Best Aerobatic Aircraft |
Good choice Craig.
As for your comments on the Suke... Well... Not sure I agree with that.
No other aircraft uses titanium the way that darn thing does... Mainly
because no other country could AFFORD to put it in there like the
Russians did/still do. Further, varients of the M-14 or M-9 have
horsepower figures that are near or over 450 HP. Put all the mods
together from EVERYONE, and you might even EXCEED 450 HP. I was told
that the 31's wing went over 20 G's before it failed in a load to
destruction test. After it failed, they stressed it again, and it went
to NINE G's (!!!) before it failed the second time. I know of no other
aircraft that can do THAT.
That said, while technology does indeed move on, in the case of the
Sukhoi 31, it had to.. Just to come close to catching up!
Sure the Pitts is great... And was one of the best in the world... Until
the Russians came along with their product. I would have to say that a
YAK-55 can out-do a Pitts... Other than maybe the Model 12 of course.
All a matter of opinion of course, but it is interesting to compare what
models won what titles in the World's.
Mark
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OK, I'll stick my neck out with this one.....MX2. Have you guys read
about this plane? All carbon fiber, two-place, 400+ deg/sec roll, +/-
14gs. Check it out at www.mx2aircraft.com.
Continuing to stick my neck out....the Pitts S1 is probably the BEST
price performer of any aircraft capable of competition aerobatics.
On the list also is the Giles, Extra, Edge 540, and Pitts S2C. Of
course, if you want to take someone along, the MX2, Extra, and Pitts S2C
are the planes of choice.
OK, none of these have round engines. As for the 50, it was a great
airplane in its day and is a good price performer. The Sukhoi is also a
stellar aircraft even though it is late 80s, early 90s technology.
Technology (and prices) have moved on.
Oh, if only the bank account were larger!!
Craig
PS - am I excommunicated from the list since my choices have flat
engines?? :D
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| Subject: | Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft |
The Pitts, Extra....just do not look as cool as a Suk or Yak....isnt that the important
part?
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