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1. 01:41 AM - Re: WTB Parachute/GPS (GreasySideUp)
2. 07:39 AM - OSH 50 - Once in a Lifetime (Barry Hancock)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: ELT's (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
4. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: ELT's (Tom Elliott)
5. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: ELT's (Cliff Coy)
6. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: ELT's (Tom Elliott)
7. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: ELT's (netmaster15@juno.com)
8. 03:57 PM - Re: OSH 50 - Once in a Lifetime (Cpayne)
9. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: ELT's (Cliff Coy)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: ELT's (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | Re: WTB Parachute/GPS |
Will a Strong 306 fit in the Yak 50 seat?
Also Dennis, sent you an email but have not heard back.
Thanks,
-j
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| Subject: | OSH 50 - Once in a Lifetime |
Gang,
I've been having a discussion with my "Tiger Squadron" mates about
planning our trek to OSH from the left coast. Here's what I said:
+++++++
One thing I'd like us to consider when planning for OSH is that this
is a ONCE IN A LIFETIME event. I think it's safe to say we will
never see this many planes at OSH again. With fuel prices, etc.,
this pilgrimage is shaping up to be the pinnacle of OSH displays for us.
That being said:
Monday is the mass arrival at OSH. If we miss this we miss being a
part of the largest ever RPA formation at OSH...or will ever be.
Also the pre-OSH weekend is where ALL the practice for the new
formations we'll be flying it taking place, positions assigned, etc.
I figure leaving Thursday gives us a weather slip of one day to
arrive sometime Saturday or early Sunday so we can participate in the
practice. I personally want to make this thing look great and come
off well as we (and the RPA) will be the center of attention all
week. Without the practice I think we stand a good chance of making
mistakes and looking bad....or worse. No one in our group has ever
flown with close to this many airplanes....making it look like
something other than a gaggle, much less something to be proud of, is
going to take practice.....
++++++++++
So, my personal feeling is I want our 50 to be as memorable as when
the T-6's put up 50... Remember, the T-6's are having their 70th
anniversary this year, and I'm sure they'll have their stuff
together. This is something we will tell our grandkids about, and I
want to tell them we were the best! And something we'll never have
the chance to see again in our lifetime...
Food for thought,
Bdog
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Dear Tom:
I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments on
ELTs. Yes there are exceptions. I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52 owners).
Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need ELTs OR parachutes.
The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you have a passenger.
And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank you
very much. Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find em sometimes.
Do you? Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.
While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5 before
engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT. Once we go to 406,
we can't do this anymore. It would save a great deal of time, effort, and your
tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.
Regards,
Craig
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Dear Tom:
I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments
on ELTs. Yes there are exceptions. I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52
owners). Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need
ELTs OR parachutes. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you
have a passenger.
And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank
you very much. Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find
em sometimes. Do you? Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.
While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5
before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT. Once we go to
406, we can't do this anymore. It would save a great deal of time, effort,
and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.
Regards,
Craig
Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You
stated that if people did NOT have an ELT
they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on
this list as is! So when someone who use's
this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title that
implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think
the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I did by
posting the FAR 14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows
that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by
operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than
just single seat aircraft.
Regards,
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
8:35 AM
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Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.
My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-
When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air
event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.
This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.
So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper
on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install
an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.
Cliff
Tom Elliott wrote:
>
> --> <capav8r@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Tom:
>
> I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my comments
> on ELTs. Yes there are exceptions. I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52
> owners). Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not need
> ELTs OR parachutes. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only if you
> have a passenger.
>
> And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - thank
> you very much. Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to go find
> em sometimes. Do you? Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.
>
> While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 121.5
> before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT. Once we go to
> 406, we can't do this anymore. It would save a great deal of time, effort,
> and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig
>
> Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You
> stated that if people did NOT have an ELT
> they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on
> this list as is! So when someone who use's
> this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title that
> implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think
> the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I did by
> posting the FAR 14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows
> that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by
> operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than
> just single seat aircraft.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 702-595-2680
>
> 8:35 AM
>
>
>
>
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.
My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-
When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air
event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.
This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.
Cliff I am not looking for a fight. But that attitude is the reason we have
many rules put on our flying not by
law but because some(FSDO) person thinks in their own mind we should or do
this or that. Because of this the Operating
limits on like aircraft vary greatly from FSDO to FSDO. When I move my plane
from one FSDO to another the new inspector
made the statement ( I wonder what he was smoking ) They were referring to
how the operating limits were written. And completely rewrote mine to be
much less restrictive.
This the last post by me on this subject. Just remember (ref: FSDO
inspectors ) Opinions are like assholes everyone
has one. And an opinion is not an FAR.
And I do have an ELT in my plane because I choose too not because I have
too.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
8:35 AM
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Hi Cliff, this is Cliff;
Are you by any chance selling the new 406s? If not, do you know
the best place which is offering us a special price? I might just as we
ll go ahead now and buy the new 406. It""s just a matter of finding the
best vendor.
Thanks for your posts
Cliff Umscheid
-- Cliff Coy <cliff@gesoco.com> wrote:
Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.
My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-
When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air
event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.
This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.
So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper
on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install
an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.
Cliff
Tom Elliott wrote:
>
> --> <capav8r@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Tom:
>
> I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my co
mments
> on ELTs. Yes there are exceptions. I wrote to the majority (CJ and 5
2
> owners). Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do not
need
> ELTs OR parachutes. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only i
f you
> have a passenger.
>
> And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs - t
hank
> you very much. Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to g
o find
> em sometimes. Do you? Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.
>
> While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to 1
21.5
> before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT. Once we
go to
> 406, we can't do this anymore. It would save a great deal of time, ef
fort,
> and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig
>
> Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You
> stated that if people did NOT have an ELT
> they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info
on
> this list as is! So when someone who use's
> this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a title
that
> implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think
> the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I di
d by
> posting the FAR 14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows
> that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by
> operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than
> just single seat aircraft.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 702-595-2680
>
> 8:35 AM
>
>
>
>
--
Clifford Coy
Director of Maintenance
Border Air Ltd
629 Airport Rd.
Swanton, VT 05488
802-868-2822 TEL
802-868-4465 FAX
Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH 50 - Once in a Lifetime |
Yowlsir, Yowlsir;
It will be a big event and we will have a great time. Many activities and perks
are planned for participants. While the CJ-6 is highlighted, we need ALL RedStar
aircraft to fly, NOT JUST 50 AIRPLANES. This means Yaks; even IARs will pass
muster from 2000 AGL.
In order to accurately plan for a smooth running event, we need everyone to register
for the activities they will be partaking in. This means Oshkosh attendance
as well as the Pre-OSH work-up at ETB. Visit your flyredstar.org site soon!
Craig Payne
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I'm not itching for a fight either. I apologize for getting "caught up
in the moment".
You are correct that even different ASI's in the same FSDO will
interpret the FAR's differently.
I felt you were the pot calling the kettle black with the
"mis-information" statement and was merely pointing out that in some
parts of the country, operating without an ELT will be considered a
violation of the FARs.
In any event, I'm holding out for both ACK and Ameriking to release
their respective ELTs. Both companies are working diligently on
replacements for their current line. If I remember correctly, ACK got
sent to the back of the certification line for snafu or something.
Cheers,
Cliff
netmaster15@juno.com wrote:
>
> Hi Cliff, this is Cliff;
> Are you by any chance selling the new 406s? If not, do you
> know the best place which is offering us a special price? I might
> just as well go ahead now and buy the new 406. It""s just a matter of
> finding the best vendor.
>
> Thanks for your posts
>
> Cliff Umscheid
>
> -- Cliff Coy <cliff@gesoco.com> wrote:
>
> Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.
>
> My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-
>
> When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air
> event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.
> This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.
>
> So if you don't want some ASI with a chip on his shoulder hanging paper
> on your plane, then it's /advisable/ that you spend the $400 and install
> an ELT which /just might/ save your butt.
>
> Cliff
>
> Tom Elliott wrote:
> >
> > --> <capav8r@gmail.com>
> >
> > Dear Tom:
> >
> > I was not sitting with a copy of the FARs on my lap when I wrote my
> comments
> > on ELTs. Yes there are exceptions. I wrote to the majority (CJ and 52
> > owners). Yes, single seat airplanes (do I have to list them?) do
> not need
> > ELTs OR parachutes. The FAA doesn't care if you kill yourself, only
> if you
> > have a passenger.
> >
> > And, YES, we in CAP are acutely aware of all ramifications of ELTs -
> thank
> > you very much. Hell, I get out of bed in the middle of the night to
> go find
> > em sometimes. Do you? Last one was in a Yak 52 at 3 am.
> >
> > While we still have 121.5 ELTs, it is a good idea to tune a radio to
> 121.5
> > before engine shutdown and check to see if you hear your ELT. Once
> we go to
> > 406, we can't do this anymore. It would save a great deal of time,
> effort,
> > and your tax dollars if CAP didn't have to do this for you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > Craig, if you felt tweaked well? But you did not address my issue. You
> > stated that if people did NOT have an ELT
> > they were illegally operating their aircraft. We have enough bad info on
> > this list as is! So when someone who use's
> > this list to disseminates inaccurate info and also sign's with a
> title that
> > implies knowledge (i.e. Capt CAP)I think
> > the correct info should be brought to the list's attention. Which I
> did by
> > posting the FAR 14CFR91.207 parg. F that shows
> > that in many types of operations you are not violating the FAR's by
> > operating with OUT an ELT. And that include more than
> > just single seat aircraft.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom Elliott
> > CJ-6A NX63727
> > 702-595-2680
> >
> > 8:35 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Clifford Coy
> Director of Maintenance
> Border Air Ltd
> 629 Airport Rd.
> Swanton, VT 05488
> 802-868-2822 TEL
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Aircraft Spruce has the 406 elts. They are not cheap though.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: ELT's
Tom...maybe you should call your FSDO and get their ruling.
My argument is pretty much the opinion of the FAA over here-
When the aircraft is not being used for exhibition at a "scheduled air
event" then an ELT is required to be installed in the aircraft.
This is not mis-information, this is the ruling of the Portland FSDO.
Cliff I am not looking for a fight. But that attitude is the reason we have
many rules put on our flying not by
law but because some(FSDO) person thinks in their own mind we should or do
this or that. Because of this the Operating
limits on like aircraft vary greatly from FSDO to FSDO. When I move my plane
from one FSDO to another the new inspector
made the statement ( I wonder what he was smoking ) They were referring to
how the operating limits were written. And completely rewrote mine to be
much less restrictive.
This the last post by me on this subject. Just remember (ref: FSDO
inspectors ) Opinions are like assholes everyone
has one. And an opinion is not an FAR.
And I do have an ELT in my plane because I choose too not because I have
too.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
8:35 AM
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