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1. 01:13 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (ByronMFox@aol.com)
2. 03:44 AM - Nose Wheel Shimmy (Drew)
3. 06:37 AM - I need a camera platform....soon! (Tim Gagnon)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy (Roger Kemp M.D.)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (Craig Payne)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (jon)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (bill wade)
8. 09:42 AM - fuel pressure (bob)
9. 09:42 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (fougapilot)
10. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (Kurt Howerton)
11. 01:16 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy (doug sapp)
12. 01:19 PM - 18T parts (Joe Howse)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
In a message dated 3/14/08 7:16:07 PM, wehnerj@charter.net writes:
> Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined Redstar
> and just found this forum. My question is what are somethings
> to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation.
> Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked
> before so Thank You in advance.-
>
Bless you for asking, John. We haven't had a spirited CJ vs Yak 52 debate in
a while. What? Three weeks?
My first question would be -- how big are you? When RPA living legend Papp
y
Goolsby complained to Sergei Boriak,
(http://www.evqshows.com/portal/contenders/SergeiBoriak/), that the 52 would
n't fit a grown man, Sergei responded dead
pan in dialect,"Airplane not beelt for people like you. Beelt for 140lb, 18
year boyz."
That being truly said, my brother, Steve, though somewhat north of 200lb,
fits handily in his 52. Doubtless, the Yak is indeed the poor man's Extra
300,
It'll do anything, and it's the most fun you can in an airplane for one hour
.
By comparison, the CJ like mine is a gentleman's airplane, and does
gentlemanly aerobatics. Pappy, as befitting his 25,000 hours and handsome gi
rth, finds
it comfortable.
Happily parts are readily availble for both. Moreover, with one notably
exception, the folks who deal in these aircraft have the highest integrity.
For
example here in the West, our CJ support from Jim Selby, Bill Blackwell and
Doug
Sapp is superb. They're not alone. The Yak 52 guys are equally cared for.
So, fear not. There's endless help available to find the right airplane fo
r
you. Welcome! ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
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Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Shimmy |
Folks,
My CJ has always experienced an excessive shimmy, serviced the dampner (piston/arm
not broken), linkages tight, replaced the tire (showed uneven wear/left
side heavy)...no fix
Wheel assembly out of balance? Any ideas/experiences/solutions/instructions with
this problem? Where/how to balance check.
Thank you,
Chunks
You can also reach me at lacloudchaser@gmail.com
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| Subject: | I need a camera platform....soon! |
A friend of mine is heading to Navy Lemoore soon and needs a camera ship to shoot
the Navy's hertiage flight gathering.
He would prefer a B-25 but a BE-18 or Beech Baron would be ok too...the faster
the better since he will be shooting F-18's.
Some of you left coast foks have to know someone that has something along these
lines! Hopefully at a reasonable rate since this guys is paying this out of pocket....help
his aviation photog business along.
Let me know if anyone can help or knows someone who can.
This needs to happen quickly!~
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Shimmy |
Drew,
A real simple way to check if the tire is in balance is to strap the tail to
a tie down with a come along (ratcheted tie down strap). Tighten down the
strap enough to lift your nose wheel off the ground. Or if you have a jacks
then simply jack the nose wheel off the ground to do this. Then first just
look at the wheel up in the air. Does it automatically rotate to the heavy
side down? Where does you valve stem stop? At the bottom? Or is there a
particular part of the tire that appears to seek the lowest side of the
circle, i.e. the bottom of the wheel with it up in the air? The heavier part
of the tire assembly will seek the lowest side of the circle in response to
gravity. Next spin the tire. Is there a smooth rotation? Does it wobble on
the axle?
Now if it is simply a balance issue, you can pull it off and take it to most
tire shops where they can apply a stick on wt under the lip of the rim to
balance the tire. If not you may have to change the tire for a new one
hoping they did a better job of molding it at Dessler.
If it wobbles when spun, then it may be a rim out of round or you could
have a bad set of bearings. The next thing is to listen to the sound it
makes when you spin it. That will give a clue as to the quality of your
bearings and how well the last bearing grease packing was. If there is a
grinding or ticking sound, you have a bigger issue than just a tire out of
balance.
Hope this helps
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:41 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
Folks,
My CJ has always experienced an excessive shimmy, serviced the dampner
(piston/arm not broken), linkages tight, replaced the tire (showed uneven
wear/left side heavy)...no fix
Wheel assembly out of balance? Any ideas/experiences/solutions/instructions
with this problem? Where/how to balance check.
Thank you,
Chunks
You can also reach me at lacloudchaser@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
Ah yes, the debate that never ends, De Ja Vu all over again (first attributed to
Yogi Berra). My first questions to the prospective buyer would first be: What
do you really want and what kind of flying are you looking forward to? I say
"forward to", because it ain't gonna be the same as most other backgrounds you
may have experienced before.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics
but mostly just enjoying the plane, flying and the people. I only have
1000hrs mostly tail wheel and a fair amount of multi. 15 years ago a gentleman
landed at the airport with a 52. I was taking lessons at the
time, after admiring his plane he asked if I would like to sit in it.
I was in love with Yaks sense. It was a dark blue 52 with just a white
star on the side, I believe the man was from Eagle River WI. and was making the
seat into an aux fuel tank.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
John I've got a 1985 Yak 52 I've found it to be an excellent aircraft strong like
bull minimum maintenance. Purchased it directly from Termikas in Lithuania
when the dollar was strong still what an interesting felling to wire the full
amount from an e-mail description of the aircraft with only about 4 references
on the company, that being said I would do it again today with Termikas they
sent an airplane exactly as described. I had a friend purchase from a guy in the
Ukraine and got a derelict (unairworthy & missing many important parts) described
as a flying aircraft, but I feel he got what he paid for and used the parts
from the derelict to fix a broken aircraft that he purchased here in the
states. Shakaty in Russia might be another but I have no experience with them.
Any of the major sellers here in the states will treat you right all are frequent
writers to this list, and if you find one overseas you might want to have
them bring it into the country
assemble it and do the certification, radio - intercom (CJ), transponder, ELT,
all the sellers on this list are in it for the long haul and not looking to make
a fortune from you.
Which airplane? I would have to say if your thinking acro and or just hanging in
the seat belts go for the Yak as it can do all the aresti maneuvers and has
a full inverted system fuel and oil two minutes max (that's a long time standing
on your head). More power 360 HP. Drawbacks on an original Yak 52 1.5 hour
has been my longest flight with pucker factor. Not equipped for night flight.
Smaller cabin I'm 215lbs and 5'7" and its snug, seat doesn't move at all, rudder
peddles are adjustable maybe 4". Instruments and radio, the original Russian
stuff works excellent (if working properly) as they are designed for the aircraft,
acro, and vibration. Landing gear hangs out creating drag, an advantage
if you forget to put them down but not much though. A Yak TW or W and my favorite
Termikas TD overcome most of the drawbacks.
CJ marginal acro no inverted systems, its a bigger airplane longer and wider, larger
cabin adjustable seats and rudders, lower HP 285 original, carries more
fuel and I've been told it cruises faster, landing gear comes up flush,
Both aircraft will be registered experimental exhibition with operating limitations
specific to your local FAA office, which means you can add any of the current
uncertified Wis bang avionics, radios, GPS, lights, auto pilots, glass cockpits
that the home builders are using. But you cant fly the airplane commercially.
I think if I were going to buy today I would find one here in the States (licensed
and flying) that I liked and have one of the dealers Dennis Doug Cliff go
do a pre buy on it. Pays your money and fly it home, then get some serious aircraft
specific training and fly the hell out it.
Bill Wade N4450Y
Just my two cents worth
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From: jon <wehnerj@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:11:52 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 or CJ6?
Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined Redstar and
just found this forum. My question is what are somethings
to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation.
Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked
before so Thank You in advance.
John,
Wisconsin
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It finally got warm enough in Illinois to pull the yak out of
hibernation. Run up was fine, all gauges in the green. About 20 mins
into the flight the fuel pressure spiked to the top and stayed there.
Back on the ground, engine off, switches on, the front gauge tops out,
rear gauge reads zero. Switch off they both read zero.
The first suspect is what the book calls a" P-1B fuel pressure
receiver". Are there any other possibilities that should be checked
before changing out the transducer?
Also, does anyone know which one serves the front cockpit?
TIA
bob
52BN
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
jon wrote:
> First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics
Jon,
Being in the 6'4" club myself I would recommend a CJ. Nothing wrong with a Yak,
they are great airplanes, but like Sergei said "beeltz for 5'10" 18year old boyz".
The CJ is more suited for taller individuals and with the 4" extra leg room promised
by the rudder pedal kit (which I have coming but not tried yet) will make
this airplane very comfortable even in Xcountry.
As for aerobatics, true, the Yak kicks a CJ any day of the week. Still the CJ is
a good aerobatic platform and does everything (it is capable of) very well.
Plus it is a forgiving airplane.
My 0.02$
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
I'm 6'3", north of 270lbs and fit the CJ just fine (I've never tried on
a Yak). I'm looking forward to the extra leg room the rudder pedal mod
should provide, though.
Best purchase I've ever made.
--
Kurt Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
jon wrote:
>
> First off I am 6'6" tall, the type of flying I want to do is basic aerobatics
> but mostly just enjoying the plane, flying and the people. I only have
> 1000hrs mostly tail wheel and a fair amount of multi. 15 years ago a gentleman
landed at the airport with a 52. I was taking lessons at the
> time, after admiring his plane he asked if I would like to sit in it.
> I was in love with Yaks sense. It was a dark blue 52 with just a white
> star on the side, I believe the man was from Eagle River WI. and was making the
seat into an aux fuel tank.
>
> Jon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy |
Drew,
"When stuff does not work properly go to the part you worked on last" Old
saying by some far smarter than me, but it seems to help from time to time.
Remove the damper linkage leaving the arm on the damper. push the arm to
the stop and pull it back to the mid point and stop. Next push it the
opposite direction------the resistance should be instantaneous, without ANY
"skip". If there is ANY skip or slack felt when you change direction it
will cause shimmy to start, once started it will get out of control real
fast. Things to do /check:
1. Check damper as above
2. Check linkage for slop
3. Check nose gear scissors (top, bottom, and center) pivot points
4. Have nose wheel tire balanced. Note that if you have a stock wheel
and tire--the stock tires are sometimes very out of balance. If you have a
stock nose wheel with a stock tire, you might consider changing to a Desser
tire, they are better balanced.
5. Last option would be to change to a Cleveland nose wheel and US Mfg
1500 6X6
Hope all this helps, give me a call Monday if you have questions
509-826-4610
On 3/15/08, Drew <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> My CJ has always experienced an excessive shimmy, serviced the dampner
> (piston/arm not broken), linkages tight, replaced the tire (showed uneven
> wear/left side heavy)...no fix
>
> Wheel assembly out of balance? Any
> ideas/experiences/solutions/instructions with this problem? Where/how to
> balance check.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chunks
>
>
> You can also reach me at lacloudchaser@gmail.com
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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Looking for a serviceable or repairable lower nose cowl for 18T.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? |
Jon:
I am in the process of having a CJ6 restored by Barry Hancock of Worldwide Warbirds
in Chino, CA. I talked to lots of folks and flew in a number of planes before
making the decision on 1) a CJ and 2) Barry Hancock. I have been thrilled
so far with the work that Worldwide Warbirds has done on my plane. I'm 6'2'
and 180 lbs. My plane will have the extra 4" leg room rudder pedal mod (a Worldwide
Warbird design) and the Malcom Hood (bubbled canopy for more head room),
extended range tanks (designed by Worldwide Warbirds), and a host of other
mods.
The CJ fit the bill for me with great looks, with extended range tanks - a decent
x-country platform, a bigger cockpit, more comfortable (for me), and it will
do "warbird aerobatics" which is all I need and want to do at my age of 48 (if
I wanted to do aerobatics, I'd buy a Pitts S1). Plus, the RPA and Yak-listers
(some of whom are not RPA members) are a great bunch of people who love planes
with round engines that drip oil and turn the props the "wrong" way.
You will find, on this list, that 52 owners love their planes and CJ owners love
theirs too. Each has strengths and weaknesses (all planes do). As others have
said, you need to look at what you want to do with a plane. Go see these
planes in person. Go fly in each.
If you are in Wisconsin, go to OSH this year and see a bunch of em!!
Just my $0.02 too.
Craig
CJ6 - N8100C
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