---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/17/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:05 AM - RPA formation clinics (Drew) 2. 07:18 AM - Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic (fougapilot) 3. 07:50 AM - Re: Yak 52 or CJ6? (Forrest Johnson) 4. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic (Genzlinger, Reade) 5. 09:00 AM - Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic (skidmk) 6. 09:20 AM - Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (tjyak50) 7. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Brian Lloyd) 8. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Kurt Howerton) 9. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Richard Goode) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Brian Lloyd) 11. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (cjpilot710@AOL.COM) 12. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Roger Kemp M.D.) 13. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Roger Kemp M.D.) 14. 11:57 AM - Yak 52 landing lights -As seen at Deer Valley (Kregg Victory) 15. 05:05 PM - Re: Yak 52 landing lights -As seen at Deer Valley (A. Dennis Savarese) 16. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Brian Lloyd) 17. 07:36 PM - Re: CJ-6 Night Flying (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 18. 07:38 PM - Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 19. 07:52 PM - FAST Clinic in North Carolina - June 20-22 (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 20. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (cjpilot710@aol.com) 21. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (KingCJ6@aol.com) 22. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... (cjpilot710@aol.com) 23. 10:06 PM - Rudder Pedal Mod Update 3/17 (Barry Hancock) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:52 AM PST US From: Drew Subject: Yak-List: RPA formation clinics Folks, We are getting a record number of clinic start up events at the flyredstar website www.flyredstar.org/T_Events.aspx and thats great for all of us with these gas prices climbing...getting ecom requests and questions on obtaining attendee info from the www.flyredstar.org website. Organizers know it takes seconds to click the link on the fly-in page titled "Create Your Fly-In!" to make a posted fly-in. Total time to make an event online; 60 seconds or less based on how much you want to say in the remarks. The form the attendees fill out is also quick, and grabs some crucial information, such as date inbound, type of aircraft inbound, number of guests, pilot total hours, FAST qual - to include student, IP or Check Pilot, if ground school is requested, phone #, email, etc. But how does the author / creator of the event get all this attendee info quickly to plan from ?? How about 30 seconds and 3 clicks of the mouse ?? This info is stored on the RPA server 24/7 waiting for the creator, and only the creator, of the event to download it in those three clicks, here's how: Three clicks are: 1. First click: Clicking on "Manage your Fly-In" link on the right side of the main FLY-IN list page. This will then present only the events you created in a new window. If you were the author of two events for 2008, this click will open a window with both your events listed with special editing controls... 2. Second click: On this new browserr window/page, Click the "registered" button next to your event to see your total attendance list of names and phone numbers onscreen in a new browser window. Btw, you are also given the button options here to delete the entire event or edit the event details. 3. Third click: With this window open with the list of your attendees, to download the detailed attendee info cited above in excell, your third mouse click is on the link at the top right of the page called "Text (CSV) Format" - this will give you the file to save on your computer of all the info on your attendees. My PC has excell as the default database software and opens the file automatically when I click the link cited above; all told, the process takes about 30 seconds to have all attendee info in organized columns and sent to the printer. The new version 3.0 association website will have an almost identical module for receiving your attendee info, although such language as "Text (CSV) Format" will certainly be changed to "Download Your Attendee Info" and more will be done to simplfy the website Im sure. Hope this helps. You can also reach me at lacloudchaser@gmail.com --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:16 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic From: "fougapilot" Mozam, Thanks for the reminder. Just made my hotel reservation. Now the only thing we need is good Wx. This will be fun. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170368#170368 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:56 AM PST US From: "Forrest Johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 or CJ6? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Johnson" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 or CJ6? > > > I have owned a CJ for 9 years and love the airplane. I considered the 52 > but after flying both cross country, 2-3 hrs. the CJ is much more > comfortable. It will do all the aerobatics that the avarage pilot will > ever want to do.I do a lot of formation flying and the CJ is much more > stable do to the longer dihedrel wing. The CJ with the stock 285 engine > will out perform the 52 in every aspect except roll rate , initial climb > rate. The CJ is about 20 kts. faster than the 52. In cruise with a 52 at > about 120 kts the CJ will burn about 13 gph. vs 16 to 17 for the 52. > I just purchased my second CJ with the 360 hp motor which makes the > aairplane a different beast. It will out climb the 52 by 500 fpm. cruise > 35- 40 kts faster at the same power setting. The CJ will cost on the > avarage about 15 to 20k more than a comprable 52. > I am going to put my original CJ on the market for 80k well equipped. If > you are interested give me a call cell 817 366 3150 or Email > flushjohnson@charter.net. > > Thanks > Forrest Johnson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jon" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:11 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 or CJ6? > > >> >> Hello, Im very interested in purchasing a Yak or CJ. I have joined >> Redstar and just found this forum. My question is what are somethings >> to watch for in a purchase and what dealers have a good reputation. >> Are CJ parts harder to find than the Yak? I am sure this has been asked >> before so Thank You in advance. >> John, >> Wisconsin >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169924#169924 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic From: "Genzlinger, Reade" Mozam, Thanks for the reminder. Just made my hotel reservation. Now the only thing we need is good Wx. This will be fun. [Reade Genzlinger] The good news is that we're giving Charlie another chance as Weather Coordinator - he actually pulled through last weekend with what turned out to be the nicest rainy weekend I've seen in a long time. It appears that the secret to his success is that he got confused and brought the virgin with him rather than sacrificing one. Whatever technique works.... BTW, Olivia is quite well poised and a delight talk to - well done Dad! Reade ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:25 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Northeast Spring Formation Clinic From: "skidmk" Mozam,,, thanks made my reservations, for me and GIB (gal in back) -------- Mike "Skidmk" Bourget Ottawa, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170388#170388 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:21 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... From: "tjyak50" Drew: The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with all the mods. * This claim is based on empirical dyno data and also comparative observation by independent third party pilots (with substantial experience) in "Advanced Close Maneuvering". I have about 40 hours on my "Rat" motor and the results are shocking. It ain't cheap, but it is a much more efficient motor. Didn't see any metal 3 blades at the last Phoenix event however. TJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170397#170397 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:29 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:15 AM, tjyak50 wrote: > > Drew: > The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with > all the mods. OK, I'll bite. What is a "Rat" motor? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:48 AM PST US From: Kurt Howerton Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. :o) K Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:15 AM, tjyak50 wrote: > >> >> Drew: >> The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with >> all the mods. > > OK, I'll bite. What is a "Rat" motor? > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:49 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... There is only one way to measure power and that is with a properly calibrat ed and compensated dynonometer!! Richard Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ----- Original Message ----- From: tjyak50 To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... Drew: The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with all t he mods. * This claim is based on empirical dyno data and also comparative observ ation by independent third party pilots (with substantial experience) in "A dvanced Close Maneuvering". I have about 40 hours on my "Rat" motor and the results are shocking. It ain't cheap, but it is a much more efficient motor. Didn't see any metal 3 blades at the last Phoenix event however. TJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170397#170397 =========== =========== =========== =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:49 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote: > > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. F'in big rat! -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:43 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:48:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927@lloyd.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote: > > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. F'in big rat! Did you know rats can't vomit? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . =94 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:34 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... And some pointy nosed furry beady eyed critters that slink around at night know for spreading the plague. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Howerton Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. :o) K Brian Lloyd wrote: > > > On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:15 AM, tjyak50 wrote: > >> >> Drew: >> The Deer Valley Modified M14 "Rat" motors are exceeding 450hp* with >> all the mods. > > OK, I'll bite. What is a "Rat" motor? > > -- > Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive > brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C > PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:46 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... No just shit everywhere! doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:48:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927@lloyd.com writes: On Mar 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote: > > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. F'in big rat! Did you know rats can't vomit? -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . =94 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:20 AM PST US From: "Kregg Victory" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 landing lights -As seen at Deer Valley For those that were interested in a set of landing lights for the 52 like mine,( the ones on the red yak 52). I am planning on making some this week. If you are interested in a set you can reply to me directly. They are made of carbon fiber, finished in primer, with the bulbs installed. Ready for final fit, paint and installation, or you can bring me your plane and I can install them. Yak at night, Kregg Victory ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:27 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 landing lights -As seen at Deer Valley Kregg, Please send a link or photos so I can see where the landing lights are installed. Send to me off-line at dsavarese@elmore.rr.com. Also please send price. Thanks Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Kregg Victory To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 landing lights -As seen at Deer Valley For those that were interested in a set of landing lights for the 52 like mine,( the ones on the red yak 52). I am planning on making some this week. If you are interested in a set you can reply to me directly. They are made of carbon fiber, finished in primer, with the bulbs installed. Ready for final fit, paint and installation, or you can bring me your plane and I can install them. Yak at night, Kregg Victory ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:29 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... > > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. > > F'in big rat! > > Did you know rats can't vomit? Considering what they eat, that is probably to ensure they keep their lunch down. And I am still interested in a "rat motor". -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:32 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 Night Flying From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Kurt: Just put the Whelen strobes on the plane with the nav lights built in. Turn the strobes on both day and night unless you are in formation and briefed otherwise. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170539#170539 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:49 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Drew: I believe Richard Hess is flying a CJ with the 400 HP Chinese engine. From what I understand from Barry, the engines are not cheap. With the dollar going into the tank at a fast rate, all things from the other side get more expensive! Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170542#170542 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:03 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: FAST Clinic in North Carolina - June 20-22 From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" All: Plans are firmed up for the clinic. Great hotel 12 minutes from the field at $80 per night that includes all taxes and breakfast. Great airport that is supportive of the event. Within 300 mn of a good part of the east coast. Airport: Sanford-Lee County Regional - non-towered. Surrounded by farm land. 6500X100 runway. 100LL and Jet A available. Mechanic on the field. Two 52's and a CJ based there. 2 L-29's being restored there. Hotel: Holiday Inn Express with Sagebrush Steakhouse and Saloon right across the parking lot. Van transportation between hotel and airport. BBQ on field Friday night. Box lunches at the field Sat. Take a look at "Tar Heel FAST Clinic" on www.flyredstar.com Craig Winkelmann, CFI Event Coordinator Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170545#170545 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:14 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... In a message dated 3/17/2008 10:22:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brian-1927@lloyd.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > Sounds like a cage and a wheel are involved. > > F'in big rat! > > Did you know rats can't vomit? Considering what they eat, that is probably to ensure they keep their lunch down. Actually rats are very finicky eaters. Any time they taste a food for the first time, they eat only a very tiny part. If they do not get sick, they will eat more of it next time. If they do get sick, they will find a sourc e of clay and eat it to naturalize any poisons from the bad food. And they will never eat that same food again. By "rat motor" I believe they mean like "radical" with all the mods they've made out there. Who knows, DVT guys do strange stuff. :) Pappy And I am still interested in a "rat motor". -- Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . =94 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:47 PM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... Per Wikipedia: Originally a counter-reaction to the 50s "Hot Rod", a label recently applied to undriven cars and super high priced "customs". The "Rat Rod"'s beginning was a throwback to the Hot Rods of the earlier days of Hot Rodding, built to the best of the owner's abilities and meant to be driven. Rat Rods are meant to loosely imitate in form and function, the "Traditional" Hot Rods of the era. _Biker_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biker) , _greaser_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greaser) , _rockabilly_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockabilly) , and _punk_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_subculture) culture is often credited as influence that shapes of Rat Rodding. The typical rat rod (an early _1920s_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920s) through _1950s_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s) _coupe_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe) or _roadster_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadster) ): Early (pre-_World War II_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) ) vehicles often have their fenders, hoods, running boards, and bumpers removed. The bodies are frequently channeled over the frame, and sectioned, or the roofs chopped for a lower profile. Later post-war vehicles are rarely constructed without fenders and are often customized in the fashion of _Kustoms_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kustom) , _leadsleds_ (http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadsled) , and low-riders. Maltese crosses, skulls, and other accessories are often added. Chopped tops, shaved trim, grills, tail lights, and other miscellaneous body parts are swapped between makes and models. Most, if not all of the work and engineering is done by the owner of the vehicle. Recently, the **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:34 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... In a message dated 3/18/2008 12:10:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KingCJ6@aol.com writes: Yep. Sound like the DVT guys alright. Per Wikipedia: Originally a counter-reaction to the 50s "Hot Rod", a label recently applied to undriven cars and super high priced "customs". The "Rat Rod"'s beginning was a throwback to the Hot Rods of the earlier days of Hot Rodding, built to the best of the owner's abilities and meant to be driven. Rat Rods are meant to loosely imitate in form and function, the "Traditional" Hot Rods of the era. _Biker_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biker) , _greaser_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greaser) , _rockabilly_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockabilly) , and _punk_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_subculture) culture is often credited as influence that shapes of Rat Rodding. The typical rat rod (an early _1920s_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920s) through _1950s_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s) _coupe_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe) or _roadster_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadster) ): Early (pre-_World War II_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) ) vehicles often have their fenders, hoods, running boards, and bumpers removed. The bodies are frequently channeled over the frame, and sectioned, or the roofs chopped for a lower profile. Later post-war vehicles are rarely constructed without fenders and are often customized in the fashion of _Kustoms_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kustom) , _leadsleds_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadsled) , and low-riders. Maltese crosses, skulls, and other accessories are often added. Chopped tops, shaved trim, grills, tail lights, and other miscellaneous body parts are swapped between makes and models. Most, if not all of the work and engineering is done by the owner of the vehicle. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:40 PM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: Rudder Pedal Mod Update 3/17 Gang, We had a bit of a setback when the CNC machine broke, but we have that behind us and should have the pre-production sets done by Friday. If all goes according to plan we'll be spittin' out sets by next week. If you'd like to get on the list (about 15 deep right now) just let me know off list. Thanks! 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