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1. 01:53 AM - Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Mozam)
2. 04:00 AM - Re:M-14 Future and Housai Future (Cpayne)
3. 04:07 AM - Re: M14P fuel grade requirement (Richard Goode)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: M14P fuel grade requirement (N395V)
5. 07:08 AM - Did it!!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: More fuel (doug sapp)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Brian Lloyd)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: M14P fuel grade requirement (Brian Lloyd)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Did it!!!! (Brian Lloyd)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: Did it!!!! (Tom Elliott)
11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: More fuel (Walter Lannon)
12. 12:05 PM - Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Mozam)
13. 12:27 PM - Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Mozam)
14. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Brian Lloyd)
15. 03:10 PM - Looking for Matt Cocoran (doug sapp)
16. 03:55 PM - Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future (Mozam)
17. 05:54 PM - Re: Did it!!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 06:04 PM - Fw: Did it!!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 06:15 PM - I Did! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
20. 08:20 PM - Re: I Did! (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m wrote:
>
> How might one REMOVE alchohol from gas?
>
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> --
Ethanol and water readily join together when both are present in gasoline. This
clearly visible water/ethanol mixture lays on the bottom of the fuel tank (or
testing jar). This how you easily test mogas for the presense of any alcohol.
Theoretically, you could put 85 gal of mogas (with 15% ethanol) into a 100 gallon
plastic tank mounted in the back of a pick up truck, add 15 gallons of clean
water to it, drive around a while to mix it up, then drain the water and ethanol
out of the bottom of the tank. The remaining mogas is ethanol free.
I have heard rumors of someone already doing this in a part of the country where
ethanol free mogas is unavailable.
I am lucky and have pure mogas available where I live. I have used it, mixed with
some 100LL, in my Yak for years. I expect the time will come when I'm running
100% mogas with a lead additive (available at Walmart) in it.
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | Re:M-14 Future and Housai Future |
>
>
> From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com>
>
>
> Can we put together a reliable list of people:
>
> 1) importing engines
> 2) rebuilding engines
> 3) hot-rodding engines
> 4) providing "aftermarket" parts (eg fuel injection, etc)
>
> Maybe once this list is compiled, it could be posted on the RPA web site as a
reference
> for all of us.
>
>
We have been there and done that in the form of a paper directory that sold ads
and listings. This was distributed to the members with membership listings by
address and AC type as well. I did this for a few years until leadership changes
dropped paper in form of a website. However, the same concept of selling inexpensive
listings to those vendors was not ported over. I believe that the RPA
has lost some visibility to those vendors as a result. Today's vendor could
be tomorrow's sponsor...
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: M14P fuel grade requirement |
For the M14P it is 91octane [aviation method] ,which the Russians equate
to 95.5 for the automotive method.
There are no figures for the PF,but with a higher boost it's requirement
must be higher.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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From: Brian Lloyd
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:35 AM
Subject: Yak-List: M14P fuel grade requirement
What is the official fuel-grade requirement for the M14P? Is is 80/87,
93/96, or 100?
Is it any different for the M14PF? I would think it would be as the
boost is higher.
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| Subject: | Re: M14P fuel grade requirement |
> There are no figures for the PF,but with a higher boost it's requirement must
be higher
I was under the impression that higher compression ratios require highr octane
but was unaware that higher boost required higher octane. If this were the case
you would need higher octane at sea level than at 20,000 feet. What does the
additional boost do that requires a higher octane?
This could pose an interesting dilemma relative to the higher compression cylinder/pistons
Barret is building with the higher ratio blowers as in the PF and
the monster blower some in Great Britain have installed.
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2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Taigh,
What a neat surprise! Thanks!
Last night my wife and I returned from a party here on the airpark. The sky
was crystal clear with a bright (nearly full) moon.
Sooooo. Fortified with about 5 glasses of good wine, I decided to try a
moon shot with both sextants!
The A10 was a total failure. It and I need work.
But the periscopic worked much better. I was able to discern the bubble
level even without light power by using the red filter. I took a quick shot and
noted the time. My wife deciding to get evidences of my diminishing mental
health, snap a couple of pictures of me snapping. I than went to bed.
This morning I computed stuff. At 2306L the moon was on a bearing of 135.2
degrees true and at 36.7 degrees altitude, computed from the tables at
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php of 81.31 N by 29.26W (the assumed
position of Crescent City, Fl). My shot showed 37.11 degrees.
The 'dirty' plotted LOP missed the airpark by 1nm. Not bad for a half drunk
navigator!
Trying the A10.
The periscopic sextant actually felt like an old friend. I haven't use one
in 41 years!!!
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Craig,
Available aux fuel systems:
My welded tanks give 16.5 gallons *per side* additional, but on a "per
gallon" basis are the most expensive to install, but you do end up with all
new beefed up .032 skins aft of the main spar top and bottom (stock skins
are about .027). If you want to install bladders AND my tanks you can push
97 gallons! With Barry's you could have over 100 gallons USEABLE on board,
Hello "Tanker 1"!
Vic Air give just a few gallons additional each side, but cut ribs to get
it, and for the cost and trouble really is not worth the small amount of
fuel gained.
Bladders give 12 gallons additional each side, but all fuel rests on the
lower tank skins, which I am really not crazy about although Blackewll says
they have done the math.
I have owned/flown aircraft with all the above and the all have +'s and
minuses. I had the bladders and the managed vent system in my factory
new CJ6A and flew lots of 3:45 legs, but the "managed" vent system had
issues. Hopefully Barrys tanks will have better strapping to hold the tanks
in the fuel bay during high G loading than the bladders.
>From a marketing standpoint, *what sells tanks is really not the gallons
gained, but the dollars per gallon all up finished cost. *
**
**
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <capav8r@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
>
> Doug:
>
> The Air Victoria mod (well known) requires some wing rib mods and adds the
> extra capacity you are looking for.
>
> Fuel bladders can get you to 60 gallons. They are bladders and will need
> maintenance and replacement somewhere down the road. Some installations for
> bladders also includes fuel tank vent shut-offs so you can more evenly burn
> fuel on XC flights.
>
> Barry Hancock at Worldwide Warbirds has developed a set of hard tanks that
> will get you 60 gallons total (well, it may be 59.5 but close enough).
> The first set is being fabricated right now for installation in my CJ. It
> requires less wing mods that the Air Victoria mod and does not have the
> issues with bladders.
>
> The tanks will be welded next week and ready for install right after that.
> You can contact Barry at 909-606-4444 for more info.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171630#171630
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:49 AM, Mozam wrote:
> Ethanol and water readily join together when both are present in
> gasoline. This clearly visible water/ethanol mixture lays on the
> bottom of the fuel tank (or testing jar). This how you easily test
> mogas for the presense of any alcohol.
The first part of what you say is correct. The second part is not.
When there is no alcohol in gasoline the gasoline and water do not
mix. When there is alcohol present the alcohol serves as a carrier to
bond the water to the gasoline, making the water appear to dissolve in
the gasoline. No water appears as a separate layer. How much water you
can get into solution is a function of how much alcohol is present.
> Theoretically, you could put 85 gal of mogas (with 15% ethanol) into
> a 100 gallon plastic tank mounted in the back of a pick up truck,
> add 15 gallons of clean water to it, drive around a while to mix it
> up, then drain the water and ethanol out of the bottom of the tank.
> The remaining mogas is ethanol free.
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! THIS IS NOT TRUE! The alcohol will bond the water
to the gasoline and now your gasoline will have water in it. So the
alcohol serves to pull the water into the gasoline rather than the
water pulling the alcohol out of the gasoline.
> I have heard rumors of someone already doing this in a part of the
> country where ethanol free mogas is unavailable.
If they are they are asking for a problem as it is possible to force
the water out of solution by lowering the temperature (as in when you
climb). Imagine that your gasoline is carrying water, the temp in the
tank drops as you climb, the water precipitates out of solution, and
goes to the low point in the tank (water is more dense than gasoline)
where it now freezes ... in the fuel line.
As a matter of fact your engine is NOT going to start again before you
reach the ground.
> I am lucky and have pure mogas available where I live. I have used
> it, mixed with some 100LL, in my Yak for years. I expect the time
> will come when I'm running 100% mogas with a lead additive
> (available at Walmart) in it.
Well, you can't get a real lead additive. Most "lead additives" are
alcohol or other aromatics to increase octane added to other things
that purport to provide the necessary lubrication. They are of dubious
value.
I think it is possible to fly with alcohol in your fuel if the fuel
system components are designed for it but keeping the fuel "dry" will
be the supreme challenge.
> Cheers,
> Steve Dalton
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: M14P fuel grade requirement |
On Mar 22, 2008, at 6:19 AM, N395V wrote:
>
>
>> There are no figures for the PF,but with a higher boost it's
>> requirement must be higher
>
>
> I was under the impression that higher compression ratios require
> highr octane but was unaware that higher boost required higher octane.
They are the same thing. You are increasing the pressure in the
cylinder. You can do it with boost or by increasing compression ratio.
> If this were the case you would need higher octane at sea level than
> at 20,000 feet.
In fact, you do. Have you ever noticed that your car pings when you
floor it but not when running at partial throttle? "Ping" is detonation.
> What does the additional boost do that requires a higher octane?
Higher cylinder pressures increase the rate of combustion. At some
point the mixture detonates rather than burns. Higher octane fuel
delays the onset of detonation and allows the engine to run with
higher cylinder pressures prior to ignition.
> This could pose an interesting dilemma relative to the higher
> compression cylinder/pistons Barret is building with the higher
> ratio blowers as in the PF and the monster blower some in Great
> Britain have installed.
This is why racing engines require higher-octane fuel. They are
running with much higher cylinder pressures due to increased
compression and/or increased boost.
This is one the nice things about the Huosai engine -- it is designed
to run on 70 octane "white" gas. It will run on any kind of gasoline.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
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On Mar 22, 2008, at 7:05 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Taigh,
>
> What a neat surprise! Thanks!
>
> Last night my wife and I returned from a party here on the airpark.
> The sky was crystal clear with a bright (nearly full) moon.
>
> Sooooo. Fortified with about 5 glasses of good wine, I decided to
> try a moon shot with both sextants!
>
> The A10 was a total failure. It and I need work.
>
> But the periscopic worked much better. I was able to discern the
> bubble level even without light power by using the red filter. I
> took a quick shot and noted the time. My wife deciding to get
> evidences of my diminishing mental health, snap a couple of pictures
> of me snapping. I than went to bed.
>
> This morning I computed stuff. At 2306L the moon was on a bearing
> of 135.2 degrees true and at 36.7 degrees altitude, computed from
> the tables at http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php of 81.31
> N by 29.26W (the assumed position of Crescent City, Fl). My shot
> showed 37.11 degrees.
>
> The 'dirty' plotted LOP missed the airpark by 1nm. Not bad for a
> half drunk navigator!
Good on ya!
I have a periscopic sextant but it has a bad bubble. Do you know how
to create a new bubble? The knob that is supposed to do it doesn't work.
--
Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com
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Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
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--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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Great shots But when is your due date??????????? Twins or Triplets
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Did it!!!!
Taigh,
What a neat surprise! Thanks!
Last night my wife and I returned from a party here on the airpark. The sky
was crystal clear with a bright (nearly full) moon.
Sooooo. Fortified with about 5 glasses of good wine, I decided to try a
moon shot with both sextants!
The A10 was a total failure. It and I need work.
But the periscopic worked much better. I was able to discern the bubble
level even without light power by using the red filter. I took a quick shot
and noted the time. My wife deciding to get evidences of my diminishing
mental health, snap a couple of pictures of me snapping. I than went to
bed.
This morning I computed stuff. At 2306L the moon was on a bearing of 135.2
degrees true and at 36.7 degrees altitude, computed from the tables at
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php of 81.31 N by 29.26W (the
assumed position of Crescent City, Fl). My shot showed 37.11 degrees.
The 'dirty' plotted LOP missed the airpark by 1nm. Not bad for a half drunk
navigator!
Trying the A10.
The periscopic sextant actually felt like an old friend. I haven't use one
in 41 years!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: More fuel
Craig,
Available aux fuel systems:
My welded tanks give 16.5 gallons per side additional, but on a "per gallon"
basis are the most expensive to install, but you do end up with all new beefed
up .032 skins aft of the main spar top and bottom (stock skins are about .027).
If you want to install bladders AND my tanks you can push 97 gallons! With
Barry's you could have over 100 gallons USEABLE on board, Hello "Tanker 1"!
Vic Air give just a few gallons additional each side, but cut ribs to get it,
and for the cost and trouble really is not worth the small amount of fuel gained.
Bladders give 12 gallons additional each side, but all fuel rests on the lower
tank skins, which I am really not crazy about although Blackewll says they have
done the math.
If that is the case then the fuel load per tank could be 20.3 (77 litres) + 12
= 32.3 Gal or 193.8 lbs.
That is the math, but a little more is required.
Load testing to show compliance for the Acrobatic Category requires the structure
to support a 9G load for a minimum of 3 seconds with no evidence of permanent
deformation.
A load of 1774 lbs. would be distributed over the structural area (the tank access
panel) in a manner that replicates the actual distribution of the operational
load.
Knowing that was successfully accomplished gives one a warm and fuzzy feeling
that the aircraft will not come apart at 6 G's.
Of course, since the aircraft is "experimental" this is not really a requirement.
Cheers:
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
Brian,
Check this out:
http://www.eaa.org/autofuel/autogas/test_kit.asp
That is the test kit sold by the EAA to check auto fuel for alcohol. It works
just as I described earlier. I purchased a similar tester from Peterson when
I purchased their auto gas STC for my Cherokee many years ago. Used it often.
You put a measured amount of water in the tester (a glass tube), note the water
level, then add the auto gas, shake, and let it settle. The alcohol and water
bond together, SEPARATE from the gasoline and sink to the bottom of the tube.
Thus it now appears that the water level in the tube has increased. If there
is no apparent increase in the water level from your original measurement then
the fuel is alcohol free.
I will grant you that my (very unscientific) assumption is that 15 gallons of water
will remove 15 gallons of alcohol from 100 gallons of auto gas. But, it
could be a different ratio, higher or lower. I also wonder what happens to the
octane rating of gasoline made with ethanol if you remove the ethanol (by whatever
means)?
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
For anyone interested, here are just a few expert sources to research concerning
the hazards of water separating the alcohol from gasoline made with ethanol.
http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubs/reports/salerts/safe4-06.pdf
http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/benviron/waste/pdf/usteth.pdf
http://genomicsgtl.energy.gov/biofuels/transportation.shtml
http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/ethanolwinter.asp
-Steve
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Mozam wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.eaa.org/autofuel/autogas/test_kit.asp
>
> That is the test kit sold by the EAA to check auto fuel for
> alcohol. It works just as I described earlier. I purchased a
> similar tester from Peterson when I purchased their auto gas STC for
> my Cherokee many years ago. Used it often.
I understand and I have made my own out of a martini olive jar. Easy
to make.
> You put a measured amount of water in the tester (a glass tube),
> note the water level, then add the auto gas, shake, and let it
> settle. The alcohol and water bond together, SEPARATE from the
> gasoline and sink to the bottom of the tube.
Actually it works the other way. The water mixes with the alcohol and
enters the fuel.
> Thus it now appears that the water level in the tube has increased.
Actually, it appears that the water level has *DECREASED* because some
of the water has bonded with the alcohol and is now dissolved in the
gasoline.
> If there is no apparent increase in the water level from your
> original measurement then the fuel is alcohol free.
If there is no apparent *DECREASE* in the water level then there is no
alcohol in the fuel.
> I will grant you that my (very unscientific) assumption is that 15
> gallons of water will remove 15 gallons of alcohol from 100 gallons
> of auto gas. But, it could be a different ratio, higher or lower.
The water does not pull the alcohol out of the fuel. The alcohol
allows the water to dissolve in the fuel, making the water
"disappear". What I said in my previous posting is 100% correct.
Have you ever seen the products that allow you to get water out of
your fuel tank in your car? They are just alcohol. That allows the
water to mix with the gasoline and then be carried through the engine
leaving the fuel in the tank "dry".
> I also wonder what happens to the octane rating of gasoline made
> with ethanol if you remove the ethanol (by whatever means)?
The octane rating of the gasoline then decreases.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Looking for Matt Cocoran |
Anybody out there know where Mathew Corcoran went to? He was last
in Hernando, MS
Any help would be appreciated.
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: M-14 Future and Housai Future |
I should have known better than to argue this with you Brian. :)
I tried to dig up my old tester's instructions, but after 20 years they're gone.
There are a couple brain cells left in my head that are starting to think you're
right, the apparent level may DECREASE with alcohol present.
I have some 97% alcohol in the hanger I use in my air system. Tomorrow, I'll take
my "martini olive jar" with me and do an experiment to see whether the apparent
water level rises, or lowers.
However, it does appear that with enough water present, the alcohol is removed.
>From the US DEPT of Energy and other .GOV web sites:
"Ethanol and gasoline-ethanol blends cannot be transported by existing pipelines
that carry gasoline. Water present in petroleum pipelines can pull ethanol out
and cause ethanol-gasoline blends to separate into two phases."
"Solubility in Water: Fuel ethanol will mix with water, but at high enough concentrations
of water, the ethanol will separate from the gasoline."
"Investigate tank and water problems and correct - Underground storage tanks frequently
have small amounts of water at the bottom of the tanks, referred to as
water bottoms. Ethanol-blended gasoline should not be stored in tanks which
contain water. Excessive water levels can cause the ethanol in an ethanol - gasoline
blend to phase separate, resulting in a layer of water and ethanol on the
bottom of the tank. Therefore, it is imperative that water be eliminated from
the system."
Hey, but what if you put some Marvel Mystery Oil in it??
-Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171792#171792
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In a message dated 3/22/2008 1:00:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brian-1927@lloyd.com writes:
> The 'dirty' plotted LOP missed the airpark by 1nm. Not bad for a
> half drunk navigator!
Good on ya!
I have a periscopic sextant but it has a bad bubble. Do you know how
to create a new bubble? The knob that is supposed to do it doesn't work.
--
Remember that song about "his boomerang didn't come back"? Man I was just a
navigator not and frig-ing genius!
Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com
Man
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To make a bubble:
1. Set "Increase Bubble" knob in minimum position.
2. Tilt sextant to the left.
3. Slowly rotate the knob.
4. A bubble will be formed at the notch, visible on the right hand side of
the field of view.
5. Rotate knob slowly back and forth until proper size bubble is obtained.
6. Move sextant to vertical position, i.e. when the bobble is in the center
of the field of view.
7. Slowly rotate knob to maximum increase position.
The above copied from the Kollsman S332C-300-961 manual And I bet you
thought I was a gen-ass. :)
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On Mar 22, 2008, at 6:13 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> To make a bubble:
>
> 1. Set "Increase Bubble" knob in minimum position.
> 2. Tilt sextant to the left.
> 3. Slowly rotate the knob.
> 4. A bubble will be formed at the notch, visible on the right hand
> side of the field of view.
> 5. Rotate knob slowly back and forth until proper size bubble is
> obtained.
> 6. Move sextant to vertical position, i.e. when the bobble is in the
> center of the field of view.
> 7. Slowly rotate knob to maximum increase position.
>
> The above copied from the Kollsman S332C-300-961 manual And I bet
> you thought I was a gen-ass. :)
No, but I thought you might have the info -- and you did. Thank you!
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Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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