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1. 12:29 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (Jan Mevis)
2. 02:27 AM - Small minds ! (kp)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 06:08 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (Brian Lloyd)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (Brian Lloyd)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (doug sapp)
7. 08:04 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (V. Walker)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (David McGirt)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: CJ Aux Fuel (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (Roger Kemp M.D.)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (Walter Lannon)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (frenchsukhoi)
16. 10:16 AM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) (frenchsukhoi)
17. 10:44 AM - FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL (David McGirt)
18. 11:13 AM - Re: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL (Roger Kemp M.D.)
19. 11:13 AM - Re: Fw: (John W. Cox)
20. 11:33 AM - Re: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL (David McGirt)
21. 11:33 AM - Re: Fw: (A. Dennis Savarese)
22. 11:48 AM - Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Mark Schrick)
23. 12:00 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (A. Dennis Savarese)
24. 12:44 PM - Re: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL (Roger Kemp M.D.)
25. 01:52 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Bill Tally)
26. 02:49 PM - Re: Seems to me we need to be careful.... (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
27. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
28. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
29. 03:09 PM - Re: Small minds ! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
30. 03:36 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
31. 04:28 PM - Re: Seems to me we need to be careful.... (c44588)
32. 04:53 PM - Re: Fw: (jon blake)
33. 05:01 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Mark Schrick)
34. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Seems to me we need to be careful.... (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
35. 06:06 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
36. 06:21 PM - OSH 2008 Guest Speaker (cjpilot710@aol.com)
37. 06:38 PM - GM (Terry Lewis)
38. 07:37 PM - Rudder Pedal Mod - First set flying (Barry Hancock)
39. 08:27 PM - Storage (Don Milbourn)
40. 09:30 PM - Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
This is indeed a typical spoofer: the message did probably not pass thru the
list, but was addressed directly. I also got it straight into my inbox,
unfiltered where I normally filter all the matronics messages to a separate
folder.
This is not difficult to do: just watch who is active on the list. Spoofing
means that you tinker with the sender's address. Very easy (just as with
ordinary mail: if you send a letter to someone, you can also easily put the
address of someone else on the envelope).
But it seems to me that this spoofer wants to create havoc in the Yak / CJ
world. Some time ago there were also some very insulting messages from a
person that wanted to stay anonymous.
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 21:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad
> list reply)
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick wrote:
> > This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have
> > never seen a G M post before.
> >
>
> They are called trolls. you need to ignore them.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
> brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
> .
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Like Terry Lewis said earlier
" Small minds discuss people.
Average minds discuss things.
Great minds discuss ideas. "
"
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime
Liutaurusis Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names
wrong but who cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed
at least 10 people around the country out of money. A good friend of
mine paid a down payment ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T
that was to be delivered in 3 months. The next payment was to be on
"shipment" and another $25K was paid...no bill of lading appeared.
Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at this point and is telling my
friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently doing this to me with 8
other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's head. What kind of
rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A con artist? I
know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same scam...Why
are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is either
a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce fraud
on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see
him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you.
Everyone knows me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am
gunning for you big-time. I have today contacted the U.S. Justice
Department and they have a Elderly Victims Task Force in place
nationally for just this sort of crime. I have no idea if they will
pursue this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
Semper Fidelis,
I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
In a message dated 3/26/2008 12:38:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wlannon@persona.ca writes:
Walt,
To me this observation makes sense. My CJ- is a 69.
Do you recollect what years you might have seen the "improved" ones on?
It looks like you did a nice grinding job. How did you do it?
This has always been a little annoying and usually the only thing that
spoils a perfect flight.
JIm "Pappy" Goosby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel
> In fact, without a means to prevent fuel from flowing back out to the
> other tank, having two vents can force fuel from one tank to the other by
> virtue of differential vent pressure. This is why Cessnas have a single
> tank vent.
>
> (If you get a chance, go look at the evolution of the Cessna fuel system
> over time. This has been an ongoing problem with any Cessna that has a
> "both" fuel selector position.)
Hi Brian;
This should not be a problem with the CJ since it has non-return check
valves in the header tank. It is some time since I studied the various
Cessna fuel schematics (100 series only) looking for
ideas to improve the CJ system. Don't remember much of the detail but you
are quite correct, they ended up with a single point vent.
I believe the original CJ vent valve is the primary culprit in the uneven
fuel flow problem. If you do some math and compare the actual fuel pressure
on either side of the vent valve flapper with various tank capacities you
find a massive differential required to open the valve (if one can refer to
grams as massive).
The differential, if I remember the numbers correctly, corresponded to a
minimum of 45 litres. This of course is in a static condition with no
acceleration of fuel due to turbulence or yaw. Any turbulence would improve
the situation, yaw could go either way.
The reason is the difference in the wetted area of the flapper valve on
either side.
I have modified the valves to reduce this differential to as close to zero
as possible. Theoretically
the valve will open with a 13 litre difference (static conditions). In
practice over the last 3 years or so the highest noted has been 15 litres.
It is a totally benign modification. I reduce the surface area of the valve
body to near line contact with the flapper. This decreases the effective
closing force.
Since then I have discovered that later aircraft have a different flapper.
It has been modified to increase the effective opening force. Have no idea
when the change was made. I believe it is slightly less effective than mine
but certainly better than the original.
Will attach some photos.
Photo #2 shows the mating surface of the flapper with the as-cast cut out
section in the center. The factory change increases the diameter of this
area to larger than the line dia. thereby increasing the opening force.
Cheers;
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Walter Lannon wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd"
> <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel
>
>
>> In fact, without a means to prevent fuel from flowing back out to
>> the other tank, having two vents can force fuel from one tank to
>> the other by virtue of differential vent pressure. This is why
>> Cessnas have a single tank vent.
>>
>> (If you get a chance, go look at the evolution of the Cessna fuel
>> system over time. This has been an ongoing problem with any Cessna
>> that has a "both" fuel selector position.)
>
> Hi Brian;
>
> This should not be a problem with the CJ since it has non-return
> check valves in the header tank.
That is certainly true. Still, with two vents the force driving fuel
into the header tank from the wing tanks will be different leading to
differential flow. Much better to have a single vent to ensure that
the pressure in all fuel tanks is equal. At that point the only
differences would be head (one wing high or low) and the pressure
required to open the check valve.
> It is some time since I studied the various Cessna fuel schematics
> (100 series only) looking for
> ideas to improve the CJ system. Don't remember much of the detail
> but you are quite correct, they ended up with a single point vent.
It is the only thing that will work properly if you have multiple
tanks feeding the engine concurrently.
> I believe the original CJ vent valve is the primary culprit in the
> uneven fuel flow problem. If you do some math and compare the actual
> fuel pressure on either side of the vent valve flapper with various
> tank capacities you find a massive differential required to open the
> valve (if one can refer to grams as massive).
It has been some time since I studied the CJ fuel vent system but I
don't remember any valving in the vent. Are we talking about the
flapper-type valve where the fuel from the wing tanks enters the
header tank? I can see those causing problems.
> The differential, if I remember the numbers correctly, corresponded
> to a minimum of 45 litres. This of course is in a static condition
> with no acceleration of fuel due to turbulence or yaw. Any
> turbulence would improve the situation, yaw could go either way.
> The reason is the difference in the wetted area of the flapper valve
> on either side.
>
> I have modified the valves to reduce this differential to as close
> to zero as possible. Theoretically
> the valve will open with a 13 litre difference (static conditions).
> In practice over the last 3 years or so the highest noted has been
> 15 litres.
> It is a totally benign modification. I reduce the surface area of
> the valve body to near line contact with the flapper. This decreases
> the effective closing force.
>
> Since then I have discovered that later aircraft have a different
> flapper. It has been modified to increase the effective opening
> force. Have no idea when the change was made. I believe it is
> slightly less effective than mine but certainly better than the
> original.
>
> Will attach some photos.
> Photo #2 shows the mating surface of the flapper with the as-cast
> cut out section in the center. The factory change increases the
> diameter of this area to larger than the line dia. thereby
> increasing the opening force.
I am confused. I need to see your pictures.
>
>
> Cheers;
> Walt
>
>
> <Valves 001.jpg><Valves 002.jpg><Valves 003.jpg>
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Walter Lannon wrote:
> Correction to my last post. Did the proof reading AFTER I hit send --
> Again!
>
> Referred, at least twice, to the Header tank non-return check valve
> as a vent valve. It is not.
Ah, now I am not confused. Thanks.
>
> Walt
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brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Gang, have been away for a day or two so could not respond to this in a
timely manner. I'm playing catch up now and really don't have much time for
this kind of crap, but since I do know the situation here I'll respond.
Having dealt with this Liutauras fellow in the past myself I have more than
a bit of insite as to his "methods of operation". Mark is 100% correct
Dennis is the middle man in this situation and does have a responsibility to
his US customers, but folks, I have been in this game for over 20 years, I
have seen many buyers and sellers come and go, I have had my mods knocked
off by some, stiffed by bad checks and big promises by others, out and out
lied to my many. BUT, Dennis Saverese is NOT one of them, he is a stand up
guy who will bust his butt to keep you flying. He has always been 100%
honest with me and I have full confidence in him. When I was having
problems getting my shipment from Mr. Luitauras, Dennis helped me, by
putting pressure on him to ship, which he ultimately did, albeit 2 years
late, but I finally got my merchandise, thanks mainly to Dennis's efforts on
my behalf. I have no idea who this joker is who posted this message but I
think everyone reading the list understands that the word of a coward who
wont even sign his name isn't worth much. I didn't know there were Marine
cowards...
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net> wrote:
> This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have
> never seen a G M post before.
>
>
> This could be true what is being said but Dennis can only do his best
> against what Lutaris tells him. The only way to solve a situation like this
> is to refund the money and Lutarus to return the money back to Dennis.
> Dennis is the middle man and can only do so much. The bad thing is Dennis is
> responcible for the US customers that have the contracts with him.
>
>
> I have delt with Dennis over the past 8 years and he is very much a stand
> up individual and loves these aircraft enough to do this full work time. The
> problem is that we dealers have to deal with people in old Russia that may
> not have the same scuples and feelings about justice here in the USA. This
> is the problem.
>
>
> I am very sorry this individual feels this way about Dennis but to
> threaten ones well being is not the way to go. I would stand next to Dennis
> if this would happen and that individual better be a big MF because he will
> have to go through me. (as you all know me and my size)
>
>
> Lets get back to positive YAK conversations gentlemen and let them work
> this out off list.
>
>
> Semper Fi (back)
>
>
> SHREK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:04:02 AM
> Subject:
>
> Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime
> Liutaurusis Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names wrong
> but who cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed at least
> 10 people around the country out of money. A good friend of mine paid a
> down payment ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T that was to be
> delivered in 3 months. The next payment was to be on "shipment" and another
> $25K was paid...no bill of lading appeared. Dennis has collected $50,000
> dollars at this point and is telling my friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is
> currently doing this to me with 8 other planes...I can't help you." I want
> this guy's head. What kind of rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now
> he's 80) A con artist? I know of 2 other cases involving the same players
> and the same scam...Why are we letting this guy stay active in our
> community? Dennis is either a fool or committing intentional international
> bank and commerce fraud on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this
> punk if I EVER see him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I willrun into
you. Everyone knows me and that I'll do what I say and know
> this...I am gunning for you big-time. I have today contacted the U.S.
> Justice Department and they have a Elderly Victims Task Force in place
> nationally for just this sort of crime. I have no idea if they will pursue
> this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
> Semper Fidelis,
> I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
Ooooh, I've missed you guys. LOL
Thanks Brian, Walt, Pappy etc. for the wisdom on uneven fuel flow and
bladder tanks. (Thanks also to Linedawg who emailed. He misses his
Chang). Walt, I did have my mechs take the fuel system apart looking
for plugs and have just started flying it again since I got it back from
the annual. I won't see the fuel levels until the gauges reach 60
litres, but so far no more "sucking" sounds when I open the fuel caps.
We'll see. I think that since I had the extra capacity bladder tanks
installed the fuel imbalance seems greater because by the time the level
reaches the fuel indicators, the imbalance actually IS exacerbated. I
can't tell you how much fun I've been having with this extrordinary
airplane. As to Dennis Savarese, I spent several days freezing in my
hanger here in SLC while he was good enough to help me through his M14P
engine course a year ago. I'd thump my chest and snarl on his behalf
too, but my testosterone levels are a bit low today. All I can say is
that I'm sorry for this Marines misplaced hostility on his friends
behalf, but he needs to recognize, as previously stated, that Dennis is
not the enemy. Worst case scenario, he was a victim and caught in the
middle as well. If anyone would agonize over middle-manning a deal gone
bad for a customer, it would be "Da Godfather of the M14P". To Semper
Fi", read Sun Tsu's Art of War. You should be ashamed of yourself. I'd
bet my Black Belt on it (and you don't want your butt kicked by a girl).
Valkyrie
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Not a Marine I served with for damn sure.
On 3/26/08 10:58 AM, "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gang, have been away for a day or two so could not respond to this in a timely
> manner. I'm playing catch up now and really don't have much time for this
> kind of crap, but since I do know the situation here I'll respond. Having
> dealt with this Liutauras fellow in the past myself I have more than a bit of
> insite as to his "methods of operation". Mark is 100% correct Dennis is the
> middle man in this situation and does have a responsibility to his US
> customers, but folks, I have been in this game for over 20 years, I have seen
> many buyers and sellers come and go, I have had my mods knocked off by some,
> stiffed by bad checks and big promises by others, out and out lied to my many.
> BUT, Dennis Saverese is NOT one of them, he is a stand up guy who will bust
> his butt to keep you flying. He has always been 100% honest with me and I
> have full confidence in him. When I was having problems getting my shipment
> from Mr. Luitauras, Dennis helped me, by putting pressure on him to ship,
> which he ultimately did, albeit 2 years late, but I finally got my
> merchandise, thanks mainly to Dennis's efforts on my behalf. I have no idea
> who this joker is who posted this message but I think everyone reading the
> list understands that the word of a coward who wont even sign his name isn't
> worth much. I didn't know there were Marine cowards...
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have never
>> seen a G M post before.
>>
>>
>>
>> This could be true what is being said but Dennis can only do his best
>> against what Lutaris tells him. The only way to solve a situation like this
>> is to refund the money and Lutarus to return the money back to Dennis. Dennis
>> is the middle man and can only do so much. The bad thing is Dennis is
>> responcible for the US customers that have the contracts with him.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have delt with Dennis over the past 8 years and he is very much a stand up
>> individual and loves these aircraft enough to do this full work time. The
>> problem is that we dealers have to deal with people in old Russia that may
>> not have the same scuples and feelings about justice here in the USA. This is
>> the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am very sorry this individual feels this way about Dennis but to threaten
>> ones well being is not the way to go. I would stand next to Dennis if this
>> would happen and that individual better be a big MF because he will have to
>> go through me. (as you all know me and my size)
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets get back to positive YAK conversations gentlemen and let them work this
>> out off list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Semper Fi (back)
>>
>>
>>
>> SHREK
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:04:02 AM
>> Subject:
>>
>> Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime Liutaurusis
>> Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names wrong but who
>> cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed at least 10 people
>> around the country out of money. A good friend of mine paid a down payment
>> ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T that was to be delivered in
3
>> months. The next payment was to be on "shipment" and another $25K was
>> paid...no bill of lading appeared. Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at
>> this point and is telling my friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently
>> doing this to me with 8 other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's
>> head. What kind of rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A
>> con artist? I know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same
>> scam...Why are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is
>> either a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce fraud
>> on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see him in
>> person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you. Everyone knows
>> me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am gunning for you big-time.
>> I have today contacted the U.S. Justice Department and they have a Elderly
>> Victims Task Force in place nationally for just this sort of crime. I have
>> no idea if they will pursue this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
>> Semper Fidelis,
>> I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
>>
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Not trying to be a PR department for Barry. However, since it is my aircraft that
these tanks are going in, I have had numerous discussions over a number of
months with Barry on the prototypes and the design. I just like to recognize
when folks are providing a good service to the community as do all the folks
I listed in my last note. In addition, having someone act like bladders are a
panacea is just not right.
In all honesty, Doug's mod (properly installed!) may be the best fuel mod out there.
However, it is rather costly to install. The good news is that there are
now several options for all of us.
Thanks to everyone who helps us keep these birds flying!!
Craig
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| Subject: | Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Ditto! Dennis works out of my hanger. He has been thru HELL with Liutarus!
He is a stand up guy and he has busted his but to make it right.to the point
of hiring a Lithuanian Attorney!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list
reply)
Not a Marine I served with for damn sure.
On 3/26/08 10:58 AM, "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
Gang, have been away for a day or two so could not respond to this in a
timely manner. I'm playing catch up now and really don't have much time for
this kind of crap, but since I do know the situation here I'll respond.
Having dealt with this Liutauras fellow in the past myself I have more than
a bit of insite as to his "methods of operation". Mark is 100% correct
Dennis is the middle man in this situation and does have a responsibility to
his US customers, but folks, I have been in this game for over 20 years, I
have seen many buyers and sellers come and go, I have had my mods knocked
off by some, stiffed by bad checks and big promises by others, out and out
lied to my many. BUT, Dennis Saverese is NOT one of them, he is a stand up
guy who will bust his butt to keep you flying. He has always been 100%
honest with me and I have full confidence in him. When I was having
problems getting my shipment from Mr. Luitauras, Dennis helped me, by
putting pressure on him to ship, which he ultimately did, albeit 2 years
late, but I finally got my merchandise, thanks mainly to Dennis's efforts on
my behalf. I have no idea who this joker is who posted this message but I
think everyone reading the list understands that the word of a coward who
wont even sign his name isn't worth much. I didn't know there were Marine
cowards...
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net> wrote:
This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have never
seen a G M post before.
This could be true what is being said but Dennis can only do his best
against what Lutaris tells him. The only way to solve a situation like this
is to refund the money and Lutarus to return the money back to Dennis.
Dennis is the middle man and can only do so much. The bad thing is Dennis is
responcible for the US customers that have the contracts with him.
I have delt with Dennis over the past 8 years and he is very much a stand up
individual and loves these aircraft enough to do this full work time. The
problem is that we dealers have to deal with people in old Russia that may
not have the same scuples and feelings about justice here in the USA. This
is the problem.
I am very sorry this individual feels this way about Dennis but to threaten
ones well being is not the way to go. I would stand next to Dennis if this
would happen and that individual better be a big MF because he will have to
go through me. (as you all know me and my size)
Lets get back to positive YAK conversations gentlemen and let them work this
out off list.
Semper Fi (back)
SHREK
----- Original Message ----
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:04:02 AM
Subject:
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime Liutaurusis
Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names wrong but who
cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed at least 10 people
around the country out of money. A good friend of mine paid a down payment
($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T that was to be delivered in
3 months. The next payment was to be on "shipment" and another $25K was
paid...no bill of lading appeared. Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at
this point and is telling my friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently
doing this to me with 8 other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's
head. What kind of rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A
con artist? I know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same
scam...Why are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is
either a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce
fraud on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see
him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you. Everyone
knows me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am gunning for you
big-time. I have today contacted the U.S. Justice Department and they have
a Elderly Victims Task Force in place nationally for just this sort of
crime. I have no idea if they will pursue this but I guarantee you will
hate meeting me.
Semper Fidelis,
I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
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<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
Jim;
69 and previous have the original valve.
The only later one I have seen was via photo from Richard Broome in South Africa.
Richard what year is your CJ??
Thanks. Hand file.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel
In a message dated 3/26/2008 12:38:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wlannon@persona.ca
writes:
Walt,
To me this observation makes sense. My CJ- is a 69.
Do you recollect what years you might have seen the "improved" ones on?
It looks like you did a nice grinding job. How did you do it?
This has always been a little annoying and usually the only thing that spoils
a perfect flight.
JIm "Pappy" Goosby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-1927@lloyd.com>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel
> In fact, without a means to prevent fuel from flowing back out to the
> other tank, having two vents can force fuel from one tank to the other by
> virtue of differential vent pressure. This is why Cessnas have a single
> tank vent.
>
> (If you get a chance, go look at the evolution of the Cessna fuel system
> over time. This has been an ongoing problem with any Cessna that has a
> "both" fuel selector position.)
Hi Brian;
This should not be a problem with the CJ since it has non-return check
valves in the header tank. It is some time since I studied the various
Cessna fuel schematics (100 series only) looking for
ideas to improve the CJ system. Don't remember much of the detail but you
are quite correct, they ended up with a single point vent.
I believe the original CJ vent valve is the primary culprit in the uneven
fuel flow problem. If you do some math and compare the actual fuel pressure
on either side of the vent valve flapper with various tank capacities you
find a massive differential required to open the valve (if one can refer to
grams as massive).
The differential, if I remember the numbers correctly, corresponded to a
minimum of 45 litres. This of course is in a static condition with no
acceleration of fuel due to turbulence or yaw. Any turbulence would improve
the situation, yaw could go either way.
The reason is the difference in the wetted area of the flapper valve on
either side.
I have modified the valves to reduce this differential to as close to zero
as possible. Theoretically
the valve will open with a 13 litre difference (static conditions). In
practice over the last 3 years or so the highest noted has been 15 litres.
It is a totally benign modification. I reduce the surface area of the valve
body to near line contact with the flapper. This decreases the effective
closing force.
Since then I have discovered that later aircraft have a different flapper.
It has been modified to increase the effective opening force. Have no idea
when the change was made. I believe it is slightly less effective than mine
but certainly better than the original.
Will attach some photos.
Photo #2 shows the mating surface of the flapper with the as-cast cut out
section in the center. The factory change increases the diameter of this
area to larger than the line dia. thereby increasing the opening force.
Cheers;
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Thanks Doug. Your comments are most definitely appreciated.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad
list reply)
Gang, have been away for a day or two so could not respond to this in
a timely manner. I'm playing catch up now and really don't have much
time for this kind of crap, but since I do know the situation here I'll
respond. Having dealt with this Liutauras fellow in the past myself I
have more than a bit of insite as to his "methods of operation". Mark
is 100% correct Dennis is the middle man in this situation and does have
a responsibility to his US customers, but folks, I have been in this
game for over 20 years, I have seen many buyers and sellers come and go,
I have had my mods knocked off by some, stiffed by bad checks and big
promises by others, out and out lied to my many. BUT, Dennis Saverese
is NOT one of them, he is a stand up guy who will bust his butt to keep
you flying. He has always been 100% honest with me and I have full
confidence in him. When I was having problems getting my shipment from
Mr. Luitauras, Dennis helped me, by putting pressure on him to ship,
which he ultimately did, albeit 2 years late, but I finally got my
merchandise, thanks mainly to Dennis's efforts on my behalf. I have no
idea who this joker is who posted this message but I think everyone
reading the list understands that the word of a coward who wont even
sign his name isn't worth much. I didn't know there were Marine
cowards...
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
wrote:
This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have
never seen a G M post before.
This could be true what is being said but Dennis can only do his
best against what Lutaris tells him. The only way to solve a situation
like this is to refund the money and Lutarus to return the money back to
Dennis. Dennis is the middle man and can only do so much. The bad thing
is Dennis is responcible for the US customers that have the contracts
with him.
I have delt with Dennis over the past 8 years and he is very much a
stand up individual and loves these aircraft enough to do this full work
time. The problem is that we dealers have to deal with people in old
Russia that may not have the same scuples and feelings about justice
here in the USA. This is the problem.
I am very sorry this individual feels this way about Dennis but to
threaten ones well being is not the way to go. I would stand next to
Dennis if this would happen and that individual better be a big MF
because he will have to go through me. (as you all know me and my size)
Lets get back to positive YAK conversations gentlemen and let them
work this out off list.
Semper Fi (back)
SHREK
----- Original Message ----
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:04:02 AM
Subject:
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime
Liutaurusis Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names
wrong but who cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed
at least 10 people around the country out of money. A good friend of
mine paid a down payment ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T
that was to be delivered in 3 months. The next payment was to be on
"shipment" and another $25K was paid...no bill of lading appeared.
Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at this point and is telling my
friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently doing this to me with 8
other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's head. What kind of
rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A con artist? I
know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same scam...Why
are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is either
a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce fraud
on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see
him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you.
Everyone knows me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am
gunning for you big-time. I have today contacted the U.S. Justice
Department and they have a Elderly Victims Task Force in place
nationally for just this sort of crime. I have no idea if they will
pursue this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
Semper Fidelis,
I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel |
Thank you Val. Your comments, like all the others, are most definitely
appreciated.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: V. Walker
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux FuelCJ Aux Fuel
Ooooh, I've missed you guys. LOL
Thanks Brian, Walt, Pappy etc. for the wisdom on uneven fuel flow and
bladder tanks. (Thanks also to Linedawg who emailed. He misses his
Chang). Walt, I did have my mechs take the fuel system apart looking
for plugs and have just started flying it again since I got it back from
the annual. I won't see the fuel levels until the gauges reach 60
litres, but so far no more "sucking" sounds when I open the fuel caps.
We'll see. I think that since I had the extra capacity bladder tanks
installed the fuel imbalance seems greater because by the time the level
reaches the fuel indicators, the imbalance actually IS exacerbated. I
can't tell you how much fun I've been having with this extrordinary
airplane. As to Dennis Savarese, I spent several days freezing in my
hanger here in SLC while he was good enough to help me through his M14P
engine course a year ago. I'd thump my chest and snarl on his behalf
too, but my testosterone levels are a bit low today. All I can say is
that I'm sorry for this Marines misplaced hostility on his friends
behalf, but he needs to recognize, as previously stated, that Dennis is
not the enemy. Worst case scenario, he was a victim and caught in the
middle as well. If anyone would agonize over middle-manning a deal gone
bad for a customer, it would be "Da Godfather of the M14P". To Semper
Fi", read Sun Tsu's Art of War. You should be ashamed of yourself. I'd
bet my Black Belt on it (and you don't want your butt kicked by a girl).
Valkyrie
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list
reply)Thanks Doc for being a true friend.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp M.D.
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad
list reply)
Ditto! Dennis works out of my hanger. He has been thru HELL with
Liutarus! He is a stand up guy and he has busted his but to make it
right.to the point of hiring a Lithuanian Attorney!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:13 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad
list reply)
Not a Marine I served with for damn sure.
On 3/26/08 10:58 AM, "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
Gang, have been away for a day or two so could not respond to this in
a timely manner. I'm playing catch up now and really don't have much
time for this kind of crap, but since I do know the situation here I'll
respond. Having dealt with this Liutauras fellow in the past myself I
have more than a bit of insite as to his "methods of operation". Mark
is 100% correct Dennis is the middle man in this situation and does have
a responsibility to his US customers, but folks, I have been in this
game for over 20 years, I have seen many buyers and sellers come and go,
I have had my mods knocked off by some, stiffed by bad checks and big
promises by others, out and out lied to my many. BUT, Dennis Saverese
is NOT one of them, he is a stand up guy who will bust his butt to keep
you flying. He has always been 100% honest with me and I have full
confidence in him. When I was having problems getting my shipment from
Mr. Luitauras, Dennis helped me, by putting pressure on him to ship,
which he ultimately did, albeit 2 years late, but I finally got my
merchandise, thanks mainly to Dennis's efforts on my behalf. I have no
idea who this joker is who posted this message but I think everyone
reading the list understands that the word of a coward who wont even
sign his name isn't worth much. I didn't know there were Marine
cowards...
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mark Schrick <schrick@pacbell.net>
wrote:
This sounds like an email pirate that starts BS on blogs......I have
never seen a G M post before.
This could be true what is being said but Dennis can only do his best
against what Lutaris tells him. The only way to solve a situation like
this is to refund the money and Lutarus to return the money back to
Dennis. Dennis is the middle man and can only do so much. The bad thing
is Dennis is responcible for the US customers that have the contracts
with him.
I have delt with Dennis over the past 8 years and he is very much a
stand up individual and loves these aircraft enough to do this full work
time. The problem is that we dealers have to deal with people in old
Russia that may not have the same scuples and feelings about justice
here in the USA. This is the problem.
I am very sorry this individual feels this way about Dennis but to
threaten ones well being is not the way to go. I would stand next to
Dennis if this would happen and that individual better be a big MF
because he will have to go through me. (as you all know me and my size)
Lets get back to positive YAK conversations gentlemen and let them
work this out off list.
Semper Fi (back)
SHREK
----- Original Message ----
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:04:02 AM
Subject:
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner in crime
Liutaurusis Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled their names
wrong but who cares... be warned: they are very shady and have scammed
at least 10 people around the country out of money. A good friend of
mine paid a down payment ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for a Yak 18T
that was to be delivered in 3 months. The next payment was to be on
"shipment" and another $25K was paid...no bill of lading appeared.
Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at this point and is telling my
friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently doing this to me with 8
other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's head. What kind of
rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A con artist? I
know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same scam...Why
are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is either
a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce fraud
on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see
him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you.
Everyone knows me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am
gunning for you big-time. I have today contacted the U.S. Justice
Department and they have a Elderly Victims Task Force in place
nationally for just this sort of crime. I have no idea if they will
pursue this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
Semper Fidelis,
I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your beach dirtbag...
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
ttp://forums.matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Hi everybody,
I am Rmi DUBOIS director of Frenchsukhoi company. I'm dealing with eastern country
and I have also problems with Liutauras. I know the position of Dennis because
I'm in the same...between my customers and Liutauras.
Just to make it simple: I started 5 court case against Liutauras this month.
We invested over 100 000 in Anabaras company for deposits and we didn't see nothing.
Dennis, if you see my post, you can contact me on my email: remi(at)frenchsukhoi.fr
Rmi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172807#172807
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T delivery (bad list reply) |
Hi everybody,
I am Rmi DUBOIS director of Frenchsukhoi company. I'm dealing with eastern country
and I have also problems with Liutauras. I know the position of Dennis because
I'm in the same...between my customers and Liutauras.
Just to make it simple: I started 5 court case against Liutauras this month.
We invested over 100 000 in Anabaras company for deposits and we didn't see nothing.
Dennis, if you see my post, you can contact me on my email: remi(at)frenchsukhoi.fr
Rmi.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172813#172813
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| Subject: | FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL |
Before this stuff hits eBay =AD you guys first
Garmin 396 Used w/ all parts ( 2 years old)
- removed , and replaced by 496
Garmin 250XL GPS/COM ( used 5 years old)
- comes with new antenna, tray, and parts
* Removed and replaced by 300XL
Both units in good working condition, replaced in order to get my Yak TW
more IFR ready
If you would like to make an offer, email me directly, I do not want to clo
g
the list with that.
David McGirt
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| Subject: | FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL |
So you need taxiway progressive from the 496 to be IFR? Dude, you are doing
some serious IFR if that is the case! We need to re-explore your ARMA SAT
rating!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Yak-List: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL
Before this stuff hits eBay - you guys first
Garmin 396 Used w/ all parts ( 2 years old)
- removed , and replaced by 496
Garmin 250XL GPS/COM ( used 5 years old)
- comes with new antenna, tray, and parts
* Removed and replaced by 300XL
Both units in good working condition, replaced in order to get my Yak TW
more IFR ready
If you would like to make an offer, email me directly, I do not want to clog
the list with that.
David McGirt
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The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies Boeings
in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a clarification of
either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list. I
do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both sides
should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL |
Come on Doc, you are a tail dragger guy now... With progress taxi, I don=B9t
have to drunk taxi, just watch the screen!! Hehe
On 3/26/08 2:10 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> So you need taxiway progressive from the 496 to be IFR? Dude, you are doi
ng
> some serious IFR if that is the case! We need to re-explore your ARMA SAT
> rating!
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL
>
>
> Before this stuff hits eBay =AD you guys first
>
> Garmin 396 Used w/ all parts ( 2 years old)
> - removed , and replaced by 496
>
> Garmin 250XL GPS/COM ( used 5 years old)
> - comes with new antenna, tray, and parts
> * Removed and replaced by 300XL
>
> Both units in good working condition, replaced in order to get my Yak TW
more
> IFR ready
>
> If you would like to make an offer, email me directly, I do not want to c
log
> the list with that.
>
> David McGirt
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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John,
I can't thank you enough for your kind words.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies
Boeings in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a
clarification of either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list.
I do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both
sides should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Date: March 25, 2008 11:04:02 AM CDT
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
That is not the individual. I found out who the person was that wrote the e
mail.=0A=0AI do not wish to devulge his name at this time but he is very we
ll known in the Yak community and highly respected.=0A=0AThis issue is this
. The problem that was stated in the email is true. Dennis Saverese is work
ing to resolve at this time but it has taken two years and $50K with no air
craft. Dennis is in Lithavania currently to resolve this issue with lawyers
and state police. I am hoping the Lutarius ends up in jail and will no lon
ger be able to sell to USA and other individuals. The person that wrote the
blog is trying to raise issues that an 80 year old man has very little tim
e to remain flying and either needs the plane or the money before May 2008.
He just wants one or the other by this time frame. Dennis needs to provide
one or the other before this date. This is what is the person wants to hap
pen soon. He does not wish to harm Dennis just get his full attention and r
esolve the issue soon. Hope hope this happens for all at stake.=0A=0ABeware
the parts and engines are becoming harder to find in the Eastern block. If
you can find parts, BUY THEM NOW for the price will only increase over tim
e. Aeromotors is building new engines with alunimum cases milled to factory
specifications. This is great but at a higher cost. Stronger case also tha
n cast. =0A=0AAs a middleman for many years, I have found that time is meas
ured differently in the Eastern block countries than here in the USA. We te
nd to want things yeasterday and they ship it when they can or feel like it
. =0A=0ABe careful out there and stock pile those parts when you can and if
you have the money, purchase a back up engine soon before to late. They wi
ll never go down in value.=0A=0AGood luck and hope this helps.=0A=0AMark "S
HREK" Schrick=0ASan Jose, Ca=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom:
John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:10:45 AM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:=0A=0A
=0AThe tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several oth
er matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual used th
e email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in unprofessiona
l terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.=0A =0AAn offline disc
ussion found that =93Gmcjetpilot=94 was never ever signing his posts. His
first name was George and he had served as an FO with Horizon Air Group on
Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before both of our departures. My
efforts with the personnel department did not finish a search of M or Mc s
urnames but the tone is sure similar. If I find a connection with old reco
rds I have, I will share same. Yahoo is not about to =93Diss=94 this guy o
r such character attacks.=0A =0AToday=92s posts on another Matronics site i
ndicated that he flies Boeings in some capacity. Matt might just be able t
o help in a clarification of either individual =93Who I believe are one and
the same=94.=0A =0AThough, I don=92t know Dennis personally I carry the ut
most respect for his professional efforts and his posts on this list.=0A
=0AJohn Cox=0ADo not Archive=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb C
oussons=0ASent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.c
om=0ASubject: Yak-List: Fwd: =0A =0AGuys - this email showed up in my perso
nal email and not on the list. I do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@
yahoo.com=0AMaybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe b
oth sides should know what the other is spreading around on email.=0A =0AHe
rb=0A =0A =0A=0ABegin forwarded message:=0A=0A=0AFrom: G M <skypirate2@yaho
o.com>=0ADate: March 25, 2008 11:04:02 AM CDT=0A =0A =0AAnyone know who thi
s Dennis Savarese is =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Yak-List=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
One correction, it has not been 2 years. The order was placed in
January of '07 and I have been working with an attorney since October
'07 to try and obtain the refund.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Schrick
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
That is not the individual. I found out who the person was that wrote
the email.
I do not wish to devulge his name at this time but he is very well
known in the Yak community and highly respected.
This issue is this. The problem that was stated in the email is true.
Dennis Saverese is working to resolve at this time but it has taken two
years and $50K with no aircraft. Dennis is in Lithavania currently to
resolve this issue with lawyers and state police. I am hoping the
Lutarius ends up in jail and will no longer be able to sell to USA and
other individuals. The person that wrote the blog is trying to raise
issues that an 80 year old man has very little time to remain flying and
either needs the plane or the money before May 2008. He just wants one
or the other by this time frame. Dennis needs to provide one or the
other before this date. This is what is the person wants to happen soon.
He does not wish to harm Dennis just get his full attention and resolve
the issue soon. Hope hope this happens for all at stake.
Beware the parts and engines are becoming harder to find in the
Eastern block. If you can find parts, BUY THEM NOW for the price will
only increase over time. Aeromotors is building new engines with
alunimum cases milled to factory specifications. This is great but at a
higher cost. Stronger case also than cast.
As a middleman for many years, I have found that time is measured
differently in the Eastern block countries than here in the USA. We tend
to want things yeasterday and they ship it when they can or feel like
it.
Be careful out there and stock pile those parts when you can and if
you have the money, purchase a back up engine soon before to late. They
will never go down in value.
Good luck and hope this helps.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
San Jose, Ca
----- Original Message ----
From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies
Boeings in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a
clarification of either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list.
I do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both
sides should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Date: March 25, 2008 11:04:02 AM CDT
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
p://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matrocs.com/"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://w=================
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| Subject: | FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL |
Danged, now I get it! You have a FLIR not too!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL
Come on Doc, you are a tail dragger guy now... With progress taxi, I don't
have to drunk taxi, just watch the screen!! Hehe
On 3/26/08 2:10 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
So you need taxiway progressive from the 496 to be IFR? Dude, you are doing
some serious IFR if that is the case! We need to re-explore your ARMA SAT
rating!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Yak-List: FOR SALE - Used Garmin 396 & Garmin 250XL
Before this stuff hits eBay - you guys first
Garmin 396 Used w/ all parts ( 2 years old)
- removed , and replaced by 496
Garmin 250XL GPS/COM ( used 5 years old)
- comes with new antenna, tray, and parts
* Removed and replaced by 300XL
Both units in good working condition, replaced in order to get my Yak TW
more IFR ready
If you would like to make an offer, email me directly, I do not want to clog
the list with that.
David McGirt
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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ail Forum -
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
Whatever the dispute and regardless or who is right or wrong, this message board
is NOT the place to air all this out. Go to court if you must, but it is not
appropriate to use an anonymous Internet forum to "get someone's attention"
by character attacks and threats of violence. How could anyone read the original
post with its vitriolic attacks and threats of physical harm and conclude
that the writer "meant no harm"? There should be a mechanism on this board to
request deletion of such material.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172854#172854
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| Subject: | Seems to me we need to be careful.... |
What your email message says to me is that you are a person who really
wants nothing to do with Experimental Aircraft but would rather buy and
fly a Standard Certificated aircraft right out of the box. The majority
of pilots in this world feel exactly the same way you do, so there is
obviously nothing wrong with the idea!
On the other hand, there are those people who revel in building their
own airplane, or improving someone else's design, and live for the day
that they can change or improve ANYTHING. Sometimes they screw up in
the process. A lot of times they are responsible for major
breakthroughs in engineering design and technology.
In this country we are lucky enough to have a process where certain
aircraft that normally would never be able to fly can instead do so
under the rules and regulations addressed in the "Experimental
Exhibition" category.
Some of these aircraft mentioned above have fantastic looks and
performance that sometimes come at a greatly reduced cost than those
that can be designed and produced in this country with FAA certification
in any category you so choose and can afford.
In this case, and with respect my guess is that you want your cake and
want to eat it too. In other words, you want the safeguards and other
"things" that come with an aircraft made in the United States and
formally certified by the FAA. However, you want the looks, and most
importantly the PRICES that go along with Experimental Exhibition, and
get nervous at even the THOUGHT that some previous owner might have
wanted to improve on something that the original designers over in China
came up with.
Yes, these aircraft ARE "EXPERIMENTAL" and you need to be aware of that
fact and the things that go with it when you PURCHASE one of them. This
designation allows the FAA to determine WHAT we can do, and leave the
SHOULD WE DO IT up to the owner of the aircraft. PERIOD. I like that
concept and get nervous when anyone else even SUGGESTS otherwise.
I believe your concerns are indeed very important and justifiable to
YOU! You do not need to name yourself a "nervous Nelly" to have this
concern. You are in fact welcomed to leave your aircraft alone and
completely stock. However when you say that "we are not dealing with
1955 Buicks here" you are implying that you really don't trust ANYONE to
do anything on these same aircraft in question and your letter suggests
that you find it logical for others to feel the same way as you do.
As I said, the MAJORITY of pilots feel the same way you do. You can see
them at any airport in this country flying any and every model of
certificated aircraft that have been, are, or will be flying.
Those that do NOT feel as you do are out there flying Experimental
aircraft all over the place and again... Usually feel very defensive of
anyone even hinting of doing away with this privilege. So with honest
care and respect to you as an individual, my response to your thought is
that before you try to change everyone else from doing what they love,
to an aircraft they love, that is in a category that allows it, it might
be better for you to sell your aircraft and get one where your viewpoint
is not only welcomed, but ENFORCED as well. There is no question that
your concerns will then be fully addressed and rectified.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
Experimental
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of c44588
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:25
Subject: Yak-List: Seems to me we need to be careful....
Just a note from someone who cares......
I would suggest that we as a community need to be very careful in ANY
"modding" done in association with our beloved aircraft, because:
a) after each significant airframe or engine mod, that pilot, and any
subsequent pilot/owner, now becomes a defacto 'Society of Experimental
Test Pilots' member for as long as he or she flies that aircraft, like
it or not: besides, I hate the 'missing man' formation;
b) we all become indirectly involved in modding decisions, because one
way or another, thru insurance costs or resale value, a mistake will
impact us all, whether thru the reputation of the aircraft and/or the
people who operate them and supply parts to them: perception is 95% of
reality; and
c) the good people at the FAA are always looking for a reason to
increase their workload it seems (and their oversight of all of us).
Yes, these are experimental and as a result there are things we 'can' do
to them, but 'should' we do these things? I may well be a "nervous
nelly", but when I read about 'fuel' and 'rib cutting' and
'do-it-yourself' kits, etc., I get somewhat concerned....
As for me, I think I'll leave the engineering of my aircraft's major
components to the 50 years of engineering performed by the good people
at the Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Company. After all, these ain't
no 1955 Buicks we dealing with here....
Just a thought....
JB Coe
N670CJ
Eastsound, WA
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They might indeed know his real name... Which he seems afraid to admit,
which makes what he has to say worthless.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 14:29
Subject: Yak-List: Re: (no subject)
Where does the line behind Dennis start? I just picked up an M-4..the
barrel needs broken in.
This dude claims everyone knows him...does anyone?
Read this topic online here:
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You have to be careful about "Communicating a Threat". It is a Class B
Misdemeanor in most states. Hence why he did not put his name on it.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 14:32
Subject: Yak-List: Re: (no subject)
By the way...this guys threatens Dennis with physical harm and then
claims he has the feds on the case. Maybe when they are done with
Dennis...they will go after this individual.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172583#172583
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And your point in sending this was ?
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kp
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:25
Subject: Yak-List: Small minds !
Like Terry Lewis said earlier
" Small minds discuss people.
Average minds discuss things.
Great minds discuss ideas. "
"
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is or his partner
in crime Liutaurusis Dzmutis out of Lithuania? I am sure I spelled
their names wrong but who cares... be warned: they are very shady and
have scammed at least 10 people around the country out of money. A good
friend of mine paid a down payment ($25K) to to Savarese 2 years ago for
a Yak 18T that was to be delivered in 3 months. The next payment was to
be on "shipment" and another $25K was paid...no bill of lading appeared.
Dennis has collected $50,000 dollars at this point and is telling my
friend, "Sorry, this Liuaturus is currently doing this to me with 8
other planes...I can't help you." I want this guy's head. What kind of
rat does this to a 78 year old pilot? (Now he's 80) A con artist? I
know of 2 other cases involving the same players and the same scam...Why
are we letting this guy stay active in our community? Dennis is either
a fool or committing intentional international bank and commerce fraud
on the level of a serious felony. I will SLAP this punk if I EVER see
him in person. Dennis you have been warned. I will run into you.
Everyone knows me and that I'll do what I say and know this...I am
gunning for you big-time. I have today contacted the U.S. Justice
Department and they have a Elderly Victims Task Force in place
nationally for just this sort of crime. I have no idea if they will
pursue this but I guarantee you will hate meeting me.
Semper Fidelis,
I leave no friend behind and wait 'til I storm your
beach dirtbag...
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| Subject: | Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
Mark, I apologize and it very well might not matter to you, but the
person who sent that email to so many other people did so by spoofing a
SMTP mailer and clearly wanted to hide who he was. People who send
email, especially of the type and nature that this one was... Who do not
sign their names... Are acting in a cowardly manner and as such I do not
associate with them.
The fact that you tend to make light of what he did, do not identify him
in the process (when you claim to know who he is), and further try to
almost justify his actions lowers my opinion of you personally.
Clearly this man is a personal friend of yours and you are just trying
to take the edge off of his actions. I.E. "It's all just a sad story"
Regardless, I wanted to be straight up with you and tell you in public
that is how I feel.
Of course, how I feel is pretty much worthless anyway, and I will be the
first to admit it, but I will also submit to you that you probably
should have never written what you just did.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I suspect that he probably is an Eighty year old man that feels
that he has been took. That said I feel very sorry for him. However,
his actions in this regard were questionable. When he did not lend his
name to them, they became cowardly. His .sig with the "Semper Fi"
really stoked my boiler.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 14:45
Subject: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
That is not the individual. I found out who the person was that wrote
the email.
I do not wish to devulge his name at this time but he is very well known
in the Yak community and highly respected.
This issue is this. The problem that was stated in the email is true.
Dennis Saverese is working to resolve at this time but it has taken two
years and $50K with no aircraft. Dennis is in Lithavania currently to
resolve this issue with lawyers and state police. I am hoping the
Lutarius ends up in jail and will no longer be able to sell to USA and
other individuals. The person that wrote the blog is trying to raise
issues that an 80 year old man has very little time to remain flying and
either needs the plane or the money before May 2008. He just wants one
or the other by this time frame. Dennis needs to provide one or the
other before this date. This is what is the person wants to happen soon.
He does not wish to harm Dennis just get his full attention and resolve
the issue soon. Hope hope this happens for all at stake.
Beware the parts and engines are becoming harder to find in the Eastern
block. If you can find parts, BUY THEM NOW for the price will only
increase over time. Aeromotors is building new engines with alunimum
cases milled to factory specifications. This is great but at a higher
cost. Stronger case also than cast.
As a middleman for many years, I have found that time is measured
differently in the Eastern block countries than here in the USA. We tend
to want things yeasterday and they ship it when they can or feel like
it.
Be careful out there and stock pile those parts when you can and if you
have the money, purchase a back up engine soon before to late. They will
never go down in value.
Good luck and hope this helps.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
San Jose, Ca
----- Original Message ----
From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies Boeings
in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a clarification of
either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list. I
do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both sides
should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://forums.matronics.com
target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://w======================
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| Subject: | Re: Seems to me we need to be careful.... |
Mark, sorry you feel that the only answer is for me to sell my airplane of 10 years
and buy a Piper (from my cold, dead fingers BTW). It seems that the mere
suggestion of caution when dealing with the engineering, and thus reputation,
safety and value of a proven flying machine is to either 'quiet down, and let
the modding go forth' or 'sell your aircraft and get out, you girly-man'. Lots
goes on in these forums, and a lot of pilots try and share as much of their own
judgment and expertise as possible. I would have thought that the terms caution,
safety, expertise and aircraft would have been about as controversial as
Mom, Apple Pie and The Flag.
The concept of 'experimental' obviously involves a lesser level of manufacturing
scrutiny and resulting greater freedom in modification than does a standard
category aircraft; this opens up the opportunity for us all to fly aircraft that
otherwise have not gone thru the western civilian safety standards one assumes
have been followed to obtain a standard category aircraft rating (one of which
I also own, BTW; and its a Piper). That said, safety should be, and I'm sure
is, the No. 1 concern for us as a group flying warbirds.That is the only way
to avoid those "awkward moments afield" and the aching desire the FAA has to
jump in. This is precisely what you and I both correctly want to avoid. Just
as with the 'FAST' effort, which I fully support, the thrust of my 'suggestion'
is that we try to insist on caution and expertise when diving into modifications
of major systems in these aircraft. I know that most on this board do carefully
insist on that attitude as a matter of self preservation. I thought it
a good idea to raise the issue again given the context of some recent discussions
on fuel systems, control surfaces, adf shelf collapses, etc... Merely a reference
to the golden rule, not an indictment.
What someone does to any of these aircraft impacts us all, like it or not. I just
point out the fact that we should be serious about this stuff, as I know we
are, and generally cautious as a group when talking up mods; the result will
be better and longer flying aircraft, I'm sure.
I don't even know you Mark, but I'm sure you're a good guy if you're flying one
of these airplanes...and I'd honestly hate to see YOU sell yours!
There, I'm done. I go back to my chair in the corner and shut up.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172887#172887
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BLUF: If you can't sign your name , U-R-A-P-O-S.
Dennis is my friend!!!!
Respectfully,
Jon Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fwd:
John,
I can't thank you enough for your kind words.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies Boeings
in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a clarification of
either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list. I
do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both sides
should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronicsc
om/Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
Mark Bitterlich,
While I appreciate your remarks, I feel condemning me was wrong on your part. You
are correct that I should not have gotten in the middle of this mess and was
only trying to help all involved. But as usual it opens me up to BS like this
and for that I was wrong.
I hope the issue is resolved in the near future and that we can go back to discussing
YAKs and being careful out there from dealers like Latorus. I really don't
have time for this BS and was only trying to help.
Checking out now. (No you are wrong the 80 year old man was not the one that wrote
the email but a close friend trying to help him in a bad situation). If the
individual wishes to expose himself after the BS email I have just recieved
then he can. I would advice him not to after this BS email. Why open it up and
have the group feel better.
SHREK
----- Original Message ----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:30:16 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
Mark, I apologize and it very well might not matter to you, but the
person who sent that email to so many other people did so by spoofing a
SMTP mailer and clearly wanted to hide who he was. People who send
email, especially of the type and nature that this one was... Who do not
sign their names... Are acting in a cowardly manner and as such I do not
associate with them.
The fact that you tend to make light of what he did, do not identify him
in the process (when you claim to know who he is), and further try to
almost justify his actions lowers my opinion of you personally.
Clearly this man is a personal friend of yours and you are just trying
to take the edge off of his actions. I.E. "It's all just a sad story"
Regardless, I wanted to be straight up with you and tell you in public
that is how I feel.
Of course, how I feel is pretty much worthless anyway, and I will be the
first to admit it, but I will also submit to you that you probably
should have never written what you just did.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I suspect that he probably is an Eighty year old man that feels
that he has been took. That said I feel very sorry for him. However,
his actions in this regard were questionable. When he did not lend his
name to them, they became cowardly. His .sig with the "Semper Fi"
really stoked my boiler.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 14:45
Subject: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
That is not the individual. I found out who the person was that wrote
the email.
I do not wish to devulge his name at this time but he is very well known
in the Yak community and highly respected.
This issue is this. The problem that was stated in the email is true.
Dennis Saverese is working to resolve at this time but it has taken two
years and $50K with no aircraft. Dennis is in Lithavania currently to
resolve this issue with lawyers and state police. I am hoping the
Lutarius ends up in jail and will no longer be able to sell to USA and
other individuals. The person that wrote the blog is trying to raise
issues that an 80 year old man has very little time to remain flying and
either needs the plane or the money before May 2008. He just wants one
or the other by this time frame. Dennis needs to provide one or the
other before this date. This is what is the person wants to happen soon.
He does not wish to harm Dennis just get his full attention and resolve
the issue soon. Hope hope this happens for all at stake.
Beware the parts and engines are becoming harder to find in the Eastern
block. If you can find parts, BUY THEM NOW for the price will only
increase over time. Aeromotors is building new engines with alunimum
cases milled to factory specifications. This is great but at a higher
cost. Stronger case also than cast.
As a middleman for many years, I have found that time is measured
differently in the Eastern block countries than here in the USA. We tend
to want things yeasterday and they ship it when they can or feel like
it.
Be careful out there and stock pile those parts when you can and if you
have the money, purchase a back up engine soon before to late. They will
never go down in value.
Good luck and hope this helps.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
San Jose, Ca
----- Original Message ----
From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies Boeings
in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a clarification of
either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list. I
do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both sides
should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://forums.matronics.com
target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://w======================
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| Subject: | Re: Seems to me we need to be careful.... |
>Mark, sorry you feel that the only answer is for me to sell my airplane
of 10 years
>and buy a Piper (from my cold, dead fingers BTW). It seems that the
mere suggestion
>of caution when dealing with the engineering, and thus reputation,
safety and value
>of a proven flying machine is to either 'quiet down, and let the
modding go forth'
>or 'sell your aircraft and get out, you girly-man'. Lots goes on in
these forums,
>and a lot of pilots try and share as much of their own judgment and
expertise as
>possible. I would have thought that the terms caution, safety,
expertise and
>aircraft would have been about as controversial as Mom, Apple Pie and
The Flag.
I did not imply you were a "Girly Girl". I said that your feelings are
in fact shared by the majority. What you said was that possibly
modifying aircraft, even if it is legal, should possibly be left to
people who are more expert in the matter, and yes... This is a
paraphrase.
What I said is that the FAA has different categories of aircraft for
people with different views on this very subject. Instead of purchasing
an aircraft that is built and maintained exactly in accordance with your
offered viewpoint, you purchased one that was not. You then suggested
that maybe by common sense agreement we ought not to do the very thing
that the category we are in allows us to do in the first place.
By all means, keep your aircraft and do with it what you will! But
please do not suggest that I should limit my involvement with my
aircraft that is within the scope of it's certification and my own
abilities because you are not sure of yours, and thus by implication
suggest that I should not be sure of mine! That is in effect exactly
what you conveyed, although maybe you did not mean to.
>The concept of 'experimental' obviously involves a lesser level of
manufacturing
>scrutiny and resulting greater freedom in modification than does a
standard
>category aircraft;
"Experimental obviously involves a lesser level of manufacturing
scrutiny". ????? I happen to disagree with that statement too! It is
not a matter of "Manufacturer Scrutiny" but in fact Manufacturer
Standards, meaning that it can actually be built to a DIFFERENT
standard, in many cases "higher and better". Yes, indeed, the category
allows greater freedom in modification, which was my exact point.
>this opens up the opportunity for us all to fly aircraft that otherwise
have not
>gone thru the western civilian safety standards one assumes have been
followed
>to obtain a standard category aircraft rating (one of which I also own,
BTW; and its a Piper).
This is but ONE thing that the Experimental Category opens up. Looking
at the big picture, it is a very small part. I am keeping my mind on
the big picture, not just the "Exhibition" part.
>That said, safety should be, and I'm sure is, the No. 1 concern for us
as a group flying warbirds.
That is an interesting statement, and I am going to go way out on a
ledge and say that it is NOT the number one concern of all of us and
hopefully never will be. Let me explain:
1. The safest way to operate warbirds is not to. Take all the fuel out
of them, put them in a museum, and open it up for the general public to
view on weekends.
2. Failing that, fly them only at certain events, in a straight line,
at partial power, and keep the time in the air to a minimum.
3. Never do formation. Not safe enough.
4. Never do aerobatics. Never safe enough.
5. Never carry passengers. Not safe EVER!
"Safety" is a catch phrase that everyone bows in reverence to. I, on
the other hand, am more than willing to stand up and say: Safety is
something we should try to adhere to while doing whatever it is that we
love to do. In the case of modifying aircraft, we should always do that
in a safe fashion. We should NEVER avoid even thinking about it because
to change something the original builder came up with is "inherently
unsafe".
>That is the only way to avoid those "awkward moments afield" and the
aching
>desire the FAA has to jump in.
Actually it (the FAA) usually does NOT work that way, but just the
opposite. When a Experimental Homebuilt rips the wings right off, the
FAA usually just looks at it, says: "Oh well, that is what Experimental
is all about" and writes a boiler plate report and goes no further at
all.
>This is precisely what you and I both correctly want to avoid.
I am not worried about the FAA jumping in on any case such as this, and
by and large there have been plenty of cases in the past where they
could have, and have not.
>Just as with the 'FAST' effort, which I fully support, the thrust of my
'suggestion' is
>that we try to insist on caution and expertise when diving into
modifications of major
>systems in these aircraft.
FAST is about continuing to operate aircraft in an inherently unsafe
manner (formation flight) in a way such as to maintain the best degree
of safety possible. It in no way ever suggests just doing away with
formation flying to begin with simply because very few pilots should be
trusted to have the ability in the first place.
>I know that most on this board do carefully insist on that attitude as
a matter of self !
> preservation. I thought it a good idea to raise the issue again given
the context of
>some recent discussions on fuel systems, control surfaces, adf shelf
collapses, etc...
>Merely a reference to the golden rule, not an indictment.
And I fully understand that your heart is in the right place, but with
respect, and I MEAN THAT, I think it is over the edge to suggest not
doing it to begin with.
>What someone does to any of these aircraft impacts us all, like it or
not.
And like it or not, there is a premise in this country that if I
exercise the freedom that this country offers me to do something that
has a certain degree of danger involved, then everyone else does not
have to pay if I screw it up. Now, the fact REALLY is that in today's
litigious society, this is oftentimes not the case, and is why General
Aviation almost got sued out of existence some decades ago. Since then
we have learned that we need to protect ourselves from such nonsense and
not just stop making aircraft, which is in reality what just about
happened.
>I just point out the fact that we should be serious about this stuff,
>as I know we are, and generally cautious as a group when talking up
mods;
>the result will be better and longer flying aircraft, I'm sure.
Nothing wrong with caution, or being serious. The goal is ALWAYS better
and longer flying aircraft. No sweat!
However what you said was: "Yes, these are experimental and as a result
there are things we 'can' do to them, but 'should' we do these things?
As for me, I think I'll leave the engineering of my aircraft's major
components to the 50 years of engineering performed by the good people
at the Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Company. After all, these ain't
no 1955 Buicks we dealing with here...."
And that was what I objected to. If you just meant to imply that we all
should be cautious and serious, well then of course I agree!
>I don't even know you Mark, but I'm sure you're a good guy if you're
flying one of these airplanes...
>and I'd honestly hate to see YOU sell yours!
Concur on all accounts. In addition, I not only would wish you well,
but I would offer encouragement and help should you decide to modify
your own in such a manner as to improve or change any manner of it in
order to more perfectly suit your personal flying requirements! This is
what everyone was already doing regarding the modification discussion
you mentioned..... Working together to create a new and safe
modification to an Experimental Aircraft and rambling ideas around on
how it has been done in the past and how it might be better done in the
future.
>There, I'm done. I go back to my chair in the corner and shut up.
Ditto! :-)
Mark Bitterlich
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| Subject: | Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
It seems this is my day to preach what I believe in. Oh well...
SHREK you are welcome to believe what you will, and I respect the fact
that I made you upset, angry, or whatever word you wish to attach to it.
Take your pick.
I feel that it was wrong for you to make light of the incident and keep
the name of the party involved private.
You discussed your viewpoints on the matter in public.
So did I.
The end result is that first I was upset, and now you are upset.
So.. Now we're both upset. I'll be over it in about 10 minutes.
The man who started this mess is the one who wrote the original email
bad mouthing Dennis and intentionally hid his identity to begin with,
mistake number 1. In fact:
1. It would have been smart for no one to copy that message to this
list.
2. It would have been smarter if NO ONE (including me) replied to the
email itself. Including yours.
3. It would have been even more smart if you did not write what you
did.
4. And it would have showed REALLY good self control if I had not
replied. Which I sometimes do NOT have.
WE WERE ALL WRONG. And I fully admit to my part in it.
If the guy who started this wants to fess up, say he made a mistake and
was sorry that he did so, I will respect him and his character. WE ALL
MAKE MISTAKES! You, me, him and who knows how many more. I believe it
takes character to admit when you're wrong. I was wrong.
However, I also believe you should not protect these kind of people, and
you do not condone their actions in any way, and you should encourage
them to admit their mistakes and not to hide behind anonymity instead.
I'm glad it was not the 80 year old.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 19:59
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
Mark Bitterlich,
While I appreciate your remarks, I feel condemning me was wrong on your
part. You are correct that I should not have gotten in the middle of
this mess and was only trying to help all involved. But as usual it
opens me up to BS like this and for that I was wrong.
I hope the issue is resolved in the near future and that we can go back
to discussing YAKs and being careful out there from dealers like
Latorus. I really don't have time for this BS and was only trying to
help.
Checking out now. (No you are wrong the 80 year old man was not the one
that wrote the email but a close friend trying to help him in a bad
situation). If the individual wishes to expose himself after the BS
email I have just recieved then he can. I would advice him not to after
this BS email. Why open it up and have the group feel better.
SHREK
----- Original Message ----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:30:16 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Mark, I apologize and it very well might not matter to you, but the
person who sent that email to so many other people did so by spoofing a
SMTP mailer and clearly wanted to hide who he was. People who send
email, especially of the type and nature that this one was... Who do not
sign their names... Are acting in a cowardly manner and as such I do not
associate with them.
The fact that you tend to make light of what he did, do not identify him
in the process (when you claim to know who he is), and further try to
almost justify his actions lowers my opinion of you personally.
Clearly this man is a personal friend of yours and you are just trying
to take the edge off of his actions. I.E. "It's all just a sad story"
Regardless, I wanted to be straight up with you and tell you in public
that is how I feel.
Of course, how I feel is pretty much worthless anyway, and I will be the
first to admit it, but I will also submit to you that you probably
should have never written what you just did.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I suspect that he probably is an Eighty year old man that feels
that he has been took. That said I feel very sorry for him. However,
his actions in this regard were questionable. When he did not lend his
name to them, they became cowardly. His .sig with the "Semper Fi"
really stoked my boiler.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 14:45
Subject: Yak-List: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem
That is not the individual. I found out who the person was that wrote
the email.
I do not wish to devulge his name at this time but he is very well known
in the Yak community and highly respected.
This issue is this. The problem that was stated in the email is true.
Dennis Saverese is working to resolve at this time but it has taken two
years and $50K with no aircraft. Dennis is in Lithavania currently to
resolve this issue with lawyers and state police. I am hoping the
Lutarius ends up in jail and will no longer be able to sell to USA and
other individuals. The person that wrote the blog is trying to raise
issues that an 80 year old man has very little time to remain flying and
either needs the plane or the money before May 2008. He just wants one
or the other by this time frame. Dennis needs to provide one or the
other before this date. This is what is the person wants to happen soon.
He does not wish to harm Dennis just get his full attention and resolve
the issue soon. Hope hope this happens for all at stake.
Beware the parts and engines are becoming harder to find in the Eastern
block. If you can find parts, BUY THEM NOW for the price will only
increase over time. Aeromotors is building new engines with alunimum
cases milled to factory specifications. This is great but at a higher
cost. Stronger case also than cast.
As a middleman for many years, I have found that time is measured
differently in the Eastern block countries than here in the USA. We tend
to want things yeasterday and they ship it when they can or feel like
it.
Be careful out there and stock pile those parts when you can and if you
have the money, purchase a back up engine soon before to late. They will
never go down in value.
Good luck and hope this helps.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
San Jose, Ca
----- Original Message ----
From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:10:45 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd:
The tone and vitriol is identical to repeated posts found on several
other matronics sites over the last three years. Often the individual
used the email of gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com and would directly attack in
unprofessional terms one of the individuals in a relentless manor.
An offline discussion found that "Gmcjetpilot" was never ever signing
his posts. His first name was George and he had served as an FO with
Horizon Air Group on Metroliners in the 1991-1993 time period before
both of our departures. My efforts with the personnel department did
not finish a search of M or Mc surnames but the tone is sure similar.
If I find a connection with old records I have, I will share same.
Yahoo is not about to "Diss" this guy or such character attacks.
Today's posts on another Matronics site indicated that he flies Boeings
in some capacity. Matt might just be able to help in a clarification of
either individual "Who I believe are one and the same".
Though, I don't know Dennis personally I carry the utmost respect for
his professional efforts and his posts on this list.
John Cox
Do not Archive
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd:
Guys - this email showed up in my personal email and not on the list. I
do not personally know "G M" skypirate2@yahoo.com
Maybe only a personal issue between him and Dennis, but maybe both sides
should know what the other is spreading around on email.
Herb
Begin forwarded message:
From: G M <skypirate2@yahoo.com>
Anyone know who this Dennis Savarese is
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | OSH 2008 Guest Speaker |
Troops,
It was hoped that Bushi Cheng would be able to join us this year for our
CJ-6's 50th Anniversary at AirVenture in Oshkosh. He has not been well lately
and he regrettably declined to come.
In his stead we have asked N.C. "Bud" Evans. Bud and I belong to the VAC
here in Florida. Each month Bud writes a short article of events during his
career. They are so interesting and at times spellbinding, I really look
forward to them. Bud flew P-80s when fighters were still listed as "pursuits".
He became a test pilot at Edwards and was there during the 'nifty fifties'
when the early mach birds were testing their wings. He's flight tested a single
engine Cessna 337 as a possible counter insurgency gun-ship. He has been a
speaker a number of times to the Society of Experimental Test Pilots. I
know he's got a bunch of very good stories to tell and will make an interesting
speaker.
So he will be our guest speaker at our RedStar Banquet, at the Reeve
Memorial Union at the UW in the evening of August 1, 2008. He, along with the
other
great things being planned for that evening, is something you do not want to
miss.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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We must get off this GM crap which is, as Brian Lloyd says, is a troll
and is trying to create havoc and bad feelings on this list,
I much prefer to get over this and get back to the planes we love and
how to best care for them.
Terry
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| Subject: | Rudder Pedal Mod - First set flying |
Gang,
We installed the first set of rudder pedal extensions in Craig
Eckberg's airplane today. The installation went as expected, about 3
hours of time invested, and we are waiting to hear back from Craig
after he flies again tomorrow to see if there are any more
improvements we can make on the design. I'll keep y'all posted, but
we are very close to production now....
Thanks for your support!
Cheers,
Barry
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Gang,
I have seen a storage bag behind the passenger seat on a Yak 52. It
sets down under the cover. Do any of you know if someone makes them?
Thanks for your help.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Dennis Saverese issue on Yak 18T problem |
On Mar 26, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> It seems this is my day to preach what I believe in. Oh well...
Well boys and girls, you let the troll win. <sigh>
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